Re: Silly question for those on shots

[Guest guest]

Hey Jim, I just barely stick the needle through the septum and withdrawl the T.

If you still get air - toss it and get a new vial. Most of the time yu have

already accessed the vial 15-20 times. Everytime you puncture the septum, the

risk of contamination goes up so that extra 1 or 2 doses may not be worth it in

the long run.

Arkansas

" JimS. " <jms_in_fairfax@...> wrote:

I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp. When I

got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air with

a little liquid.

Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

away?

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Jim most of the time I have less this my next dose left and I pitch it. What

size needle are you using I use a 27G 1ml x 1/2 " lg needle.

Phil

" JimS. " <jms_in_fairfax@...> wrote:

I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp. When I

got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air with

a little liquid.

Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

away?

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Jim, do you feel you are doing better on test cyp than Androgel? I am

thinking of making the switch myself. " "

>

> I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp. When I

> got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

> out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

> layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

> needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air with

> a little liquid.

>

> Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

> to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

> away?

>

> Jim

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Phil, I use an 18g 1 1/2 in needle to withdraw the

fluid and a 25G 1 in needle to inject.

What really annoys me is that my health insurance

would pay for Androgel but for some reason they won't

pay for test cyp. Since I have to pay for it out of my

own pocket it annoys me to throw 10% of it away.

Jim

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Jim most of the time I have less this my next dose

> left and I pitch it. What size needle are you using

> I use a 27G 1ml x 1/2 " lg needle.

> Phil

>

> " JimS. " <jms_in_fairfax@...> wrote:

> I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp.

> When I

> got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

> out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

> layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

> needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air

> with

> a little liquid.

>

> Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

> to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

> away?

>

> Jim

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Check your benefits book for injectable medications and see what is covered.

My insurance covers injectable medications differently than androgel which is

considered part of the prescription program. In addition, injections for me are

much much cheaper than androgel. I pay $8 for 3 months worth of depo T and would

have to pay $140 for androgel.

L

" JimS. " <jms_in_fairfax@...> wrote:

Phil, I use an 18g 1 1/2 in needle to withdraw the

fluid and a 25G 1 in needle to inject.

What really annoys me is that my health insurance

would pay for Androgel but for some reason they won't

pay for test cyp. Since I have to pay for it out of my

own pocket it annoys me to throw 10% of it away.

Jim

--- philip georgian

wrote:

> Jim most of the time I have less this my next dose

> left and I pitch it. What size needle are you using

> I use a 27G 1ml x 1/2 " lg needle.

> Phil

>

> " JimS. " wrote:

> I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp.

> When I

> got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

> out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

> layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

> needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air

> with

> a little liquid.

>

> Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

> to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

> away?

>

> Jim

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Jim tell your Dr. to call them and tell them you can't take the androgel it does

not get though your skin and they will have to pay for it.

I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle when I pull the T out of the vile I just

pull the plunger all the way down and hold it it comes out slow but in a min. or

two it is at the dose I need.

Phil

" JimS. " <jms_in_fairfax@...> wrote:

Phil, I use an 18g 1 1/2 in needle to withdraw the

fluid and a 25G 1 in needle to inject.

What really annoys me is that my health insurance

would pay for Androgel but for some reason they won't

pay for test cyp. Since I have to pay for it out of my

own pocket it annoys me to throw 10% of it away.

Jim

--- philip georgian

wrote:

> Jim most of the time I have less this my next dose

> left and I pitch it. What size needle are you using

> I use a 27G 1ml x 1/2 " lg needle.

> Phil

>

> " JimS. " wrote:

> I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp.

> When I

> got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

> out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

> layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

> needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air

> with

> a little liquid.

>

> Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

> to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

> away?

>

> Jim

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I recently switched from Androgel to test cyp. When I

got down to 1 ml left in the vial, I couldn't figure

out a way to get it out. When I invert the vial, the

layer of liquid is so thin that I can't position the

needle properly to draw it out. I get mostly air with

a little liquid.

Is there a trick to doing this or should I just plan

to get 9 ml out of a 10 ml vial and throw the rest

away?

Jim

Hey Jim,

No question is silly, there are always answers to the silliest of

questions. There are no silly questions only sometimes silly

answers. We are all serious here!

I broke a needle off trying to get the rest out until discovered

when the bottle is low all you have to do is, stick the needle in

sideways or an angle so you can tip the bottle on its side and

it will suck up the remainder out until it is dry. Try it and see if

this works for you, does for me.

Blessings,

Royi

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[Guest guest]

Posted by: " Dan Meatheany " dmeatheany@... dmeatheany Thu Aug 31, 2006

7:47 am (PST) Hey Jim, I just barely stick the needle through the septum and

withdrawl the T. If you still get air - toss it and get a new vial. Most of the

time yu have already accessed the vial 15-20 times. Everytime you puncture the

septum, the risk of contamination goes up so that extra 1 or 2 doses may not be

worth it in the long run.

Arkansas

Hey Dan,

I have never drawn 15-20 times from a bottle of 200mg of Depo Testosterone,

how do you do that when you are drawing 80mg each time? If my calculations

are correct I get two doses and part of another. My suggestion was to stick

the needle barely in at an angle so you could tip the bottle to one side and

you can draw ALL of it out completely. Works for me and this guys says

he has to pay out of pocket so it would be worthwhile to draw all of it.

Regards,

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Roy -

I think your calculations are off. The test cyp is 200

mg per ml and there are 10 ml in the vial. So a dose

of 80 mg would be .4 ml and there would be 25 doses in

the vial.

My dose is 200 mg so I get 10 doses per vial (or 9 if

I can't get the last one out).

Jim

--- Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

> Posted by: " Dan Meatheany " dmeatheany@...

> dmeatheany Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:47 am (PST) Hey

> Jim, I just barely stick the needle through the

> septum and withdrawl the T. If you still get air -

> toss it and get a new vial. Most of the time yu have

> already accessed the vial 15-20 times. Everytime you

> puncture the septum, the risk of contamination goes

> up so that extra 1 or 2 doses may not be worth it in

> the long run.

>

> Arkansas

>

>

> Hey Dan,

> I have never drawn 15-20 times from a bottle of

> 200mg of Depo Testosterone,

> how do you do that when you are drawing 80mg each

> time? If my calculations

> are correct I get two doses and part of another.

> My suggestion was to stick

> the needle barely in at an angle so you could tip

> the bottle to one side and

> you can draw ALL of it out completely. Works for

> me and this guys says

> he has to pay out of pocket so it would be

> worthwhile to draw all of it.

> Regards,

> Roy

>

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[Guest guest]

> Hey Dan,

> I have never drawn 15-20 times from a bottle of 200mg of Depo

> Testosterone, how do you do that when you are drawing 80mg each

time? > If my calculations are correct I get two doses and part of

another.

Hi,

I buy my Test because it's FAR cheaper than to do the insurance

deal... for me my insurance will cover injectables at 40$/month... but

10ml's of test is ~5 months (actually a little less because there is a

little over 4 weeks per month)... so I pay 55$/vial instead of 200+$

via insurance.

but here's the math.

at 200mg you're probably talking about cypionate (one of the reasons I

tend to buy enthenate... it's typically 250mg/ml and they're the same

price) but that's PER ML (aka CC) so a 10ml multiuse vial at 80mg a

dose is 25 doses x=((200*10)/80).

now ampules are a different matter... an ampule is one of those little

glass thingies you snap the end off and draw the liquid out of... and

yes you can buy test in ampules... but they're intended to be single

doses. (though I get HCG in ampules and just load up a whole SLEW of

little insulin syringes and refrigerate it)

[Guest guest]

Hey Roy - I get a 10 ml vial of 200 mg/ml. That is about 0.4 ml per dose. You

must be using a 1 ml vial.

Dan

Dan, I'm sorry I get a 2 ml CYP 200 mg size vial. That does make a difference

doesn't it? Sorry about that. I have always received the same quantity vial

so

I didn't know about the 10 ml vial. I don't think the VA has any other sizes.

Yes

I take 0.4 ml per dose.

Regards,

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Roy -

I think your calculations are off. The test cyp is 200

mg per ml and there are 10 ml in the vial. So a dose

of 80 mg would be .4 ml and there would be 25 doses in

the vial.

My dose is 200 mg so I get 10 doses per vial (or 9 if

I can't get the last one out).

Jim

I am sorry Jim, I didn't know they came in different size

vials like that. The only one that I have ever received from

the VA was a 2 ml vial, so that is the difference. I do take

0.4 ml shots however

Thanks,

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Hey Roy - I get a 10 ml vial of 200 mg/ml. That is about 0.4 ml per dose. You

must be using a 1 ml vial.

Dan

Dan you must think I'm nuts. Well not quite yet but getting there. I rechecked

my

vial and the box it comes in. On the box it says it is 2 ml vial but on the

vial which

is so small I had to use a glass to read it it does say 1 mi vial, so now I

know.

Why they would do that I don't know but you hit it on the head that is a 1 ml

vial.

Regards

Roy

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