Re: Zinc for controlling E2?

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Hi Mike I was doing Zinc with Copper and when I found out I have low Ferritin

levels and started on Iron pills my Friend and partner at Dr. 's fourm is a

very smart guy on this and told me taking Zinc and Copper at the same time is

not good. So get got me started on ZMA 3 caps at bedtime and Copper 2mgs at

lunch. He also is helping me with my low Vit. D and Homocysteine Cardiovascular

high levels.

He told me about drop of V-D that is 2000iu's a drop what a big help called

Bio-D-Mulsion Forte is a natural vitamin D3 (2000 I.U. per drop).

http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html

Also he told me about a better Multi V.

http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm

Here is his web site.

http://www.matrixnutritionandfitness.com/matrix/index.php

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

at the same time. True?

Mike

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My dh is on the gel..he takes 50 mgs of Zinc every noring...and 2 mg of copper

every evening..so far no prob with E2 levels. He has been doing this for 14

months now.

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A leading doctor recommended using Zinc as a form of an aromatase inhibitor as

opposed to taking Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than Zinc but

yes, I take the Zinc/Copper combination.

The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet of Copper

daily. They're both common and easy to find.

I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together being bad for

you. I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me some great input.

However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to elaborate a little

more about taking them together because I have been doing it. I haven't noticed

anything but extra wood but if I am harming myself by taking them together I

would like to know more about it.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

at the same time. True?

Mike

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I notice that anyone who takes Centrum Silver is taking Zinc and Copper

together.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

A leading doctor recommended using Zinc as a form of an aromatase inhibitor as

opposed to taking Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than Zinc but

yes, I take the Zinc/Copper combination.

The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet of Copper

daily. They're both common and easy to find.

I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together being bad for

you. I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me some great input.

However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to elaborate a

little more about taking them together because I have been doing it. I haven't

noticed anything but extra wood but if I am harming myself by taking them

together I would like to know more about it.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

at the same time. True?

Mike

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[Guest guest]

I'd really like to see the research on this claim that there is

something wrong with combining zinc and copper at the same time.

Muscle and Fitness magazine (Feb or March issue I think) just ran a

report on ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate plus Magnesium Aspartate

and vitamin B-6) supplementation and cited some research that showed a

specific dose taken at a specific time of day (one hour before bedtime

if I recall correctly), did provide a larger testosterone boost than

other methods of taking zinc. I don't recall any mention of copper in

the article one way or the other.

One thing that weighs more and more heavily on my mind as I read this

forum and others is the concern that many of us are looking for that

magic bullet of a few pills we can take to fix all our problems;

rather than just eat healthy and exercise more.

Granted, we're obviously sick with some sort of problem to cause our

low T or high estrogens, but maybe instead of buying lots of

supplements and trying to figure out what time of day to take how much

of what, wouldn't we be well served to spend our money on some REAL

food.

Instead of buying DIM, why not eat some broccoli?

Instead of buying magnesium and calcium, how about eating some spinach

and drinking some milk?

Instead of buying iron pills, why not eat some red meat, eggs, whatever.

I think the real answer is some combination of good healthy foods with

minor supplementation of vitamins, etc, but our answers to better

health aren't just at the local GNC.

I'll offer up Dr. Mirkin as an example. He is 80+ years old, and a

competitive bicyclist. He claims to never take vitamins, and just

eats huge amounts of green leafy salads, beans, legumes, etc. Maybe

he's just a freak of nature, but who knows.

Bottom line, I think we spend too much time worrying about things like

don't take your zinc with your copper, and not enough time worrying

about losing a few pounds, getting the body moving, and eating some

healthy foods.

;-)

On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Farrell wrote:

> I notice that anyone who takes Centrum Silver is taking Zinc and

> Copper together.

>

> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...>

> wrote: A leading doctor recommended

> using Zinc as a form of an aromatase inhibitor as opposed to taking

> Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than Zinc but yes, I

> take the Zinc/Copper combination.

>

> The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet

> of Copper daily. They're both common and easy to find.

>

> I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together

> being bad for you. I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me

> some great input.

>

> However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to

> elaborate a little more about taking them together because I have

> been doing it. I haven't noticed anything but extra wood but if I am

> harming myself by taking them together I would like to know more

> about it.

>

> Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

> Hi guys,

>

> Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

> long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

>

> I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

> at the same time. True?

>

> Mike

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

In Dr. Shippen's book " The Testosterone Syndrome... " , he cites the use of Copper

to replace the metals in the body that may be removed by the Zinc. The copper

serves no other purpose than that.

I agree that for overall health reasons diet and exercise play a vital role.

Dependancy on supplements? That may be a tad out of context but I wouldn't

discourage someone from seeking natural supplements. I use them so I don't have

to take prescription drugs.

I can get more from one DIM than a pound of brocolli. If it were between these

supplements and having to take Arimidex, I choose natural vitamins and

supplements.

However I will agree with the assessment that not all answers are found at

GNC. I know I could diet and exercise more.

Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote:

I'd really like to see the research on this claim that there is

something wrong with combining zinc and copper at the same time.

Muscle and Fitness magazine (Feb or March issue I think) just ran a

report on ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate plus Magnesium Aspartate

and vitamin B-6) supplementation and cited some research that showed a

specific dose taken at a specific time of day (one hour before bedtime

if I recall correctly), did provide a larger testosterone boost than

other methods of taking zinc. I don't recall any mention of copper in

the article one way or the other.

One thing that weighs more and more heavily on my mind as I read this

forum and others is the concern that many of us are looking for that

magic bullet of a few pills we can take to fix all our problems;

rather than just eat healthy and exercise more.

Granted, we're obviously sick with some sort of problem to cause our

low T or high estrogens, but maybe instead of buying lots of

supplements and trying to figure out what time of day to take how much

of what, wouldn't we be well served to spend our money on some REAL

food.

Instead of buying DIM, why not eat some broccoli?

Instead of buying magnesium and calcium, how about eating some spinach

and drinking some milk?

Instead of buying iron pills, why not eat some red meat, eggs, whatever.

I think the real answer is some combination of good healthy foods with

minor supplementation of vitamins, etc, but our answers to better

health aren't just at the local GNC.

I'll offer up Dr. Mirkin as an example. He is 80+ years old, and a

competitive bicyclist. He claims to never take vitamins, and just

eats huge amounts of green leafy salads, beans, legumes, etc. Maybe

he's just a freak of nature, but who knows.

Bottom line, I think we spend too much time worrying about things like

don't take your zinc with your copper, and not enough time worrying

about losing a few pounds, getting the body moving, and eating some

healthy foods.

;-)

On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Farrell wrote:

> I notice that anyone who takes Centrum Silver is taking Zinc and

> Copper together.

>

> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...>

> wrote: A leading doctor recommended

> using Zinc as a form of an aromatase inhibitor as opposed to taking

> Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than Zinc but yes, I

> take the Zinc/Copper combination.

>

> The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet

> of Copper daily. They're both common and easy to find.

>

> I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together

> being bad for you. I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me

> some great input.

>

> However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to

> elaborate a little more about taking them together because I have

> been doing it. I haven't noticed anything but extra wood but if I am

> harming myself by taking them together I would like to know more

> about it.

>

> Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

> Hi guys,

>

> Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

> long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

>

> I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

> at the same time. True?

>

> Mike

>

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, we're on the same page, or close enough, but I knew someone

would respond with " I get more DIM from pills than a pound of

broccoli " . LOL

Still, the pound of broccoli is loaded with other stuff (calcium,

phytochemicals, fiber, etc) that the pills don't give you any of. My

point was more along the lines of " take your supplements if you need

to, but don't forget the food, as whole foods are loaded with benefits

we don't even know about yet, and dozens of ones we do. "

My (rhetorical) question to the group is: when is the last time any

of you ate some broccoli? Are you not eating it because you think

your DIM pills give you all you need from it, so why bother? You're

dead wrong if that's your attitude.

On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Norsworthy wrote:

> In Dr. Shippen's book " The Testosterone Syndrome... " , he cites the

> use of Copper to replace the metals in the body that may be removed

> by the Zinc. The copper serves no other purpose than that.

>

> I agree that for overall health reasons diet and exercise play a

> vital role.

>

> Dependancy on supplements? That may be a tad out of context but I

> wouldn't discourage someone from seeking natural supplements. I use

> them so I don't have to take prescription drugs.

>

> I can get more from one DIM than a pound of brocolli. If it were

> between these supplements and having to take Arimidex, I choose

> natural vitamins and supplements.

>

> However I will agree with the assessment that not all answers are

> found at GNC. I know I could diet and exercise more.

>

> Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote:

> I'd really like to see the research on this claim that

> there is

> something wrong with combining zinc and copper at the same time.

>

> Muscle and Fitness magazine (Feb or March issue I think) just ran a

> report on ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate plus Magnesium Aspartate

> and vitamin B-6) supplementation and cited some research that showed a

> specific dose taken at a specific time of day (one hour before bedtime

> if I recall correctly), did provide a larger testosterone boost than

> other methods of taking zinc. I don't recall any mention of copper in

> the article one way or the other.

>

> One thing that weighs more and more heavily on my mind as I read this

> forum and others is the concern that many of us are looking for that

> magic bullet of a few pills we can take to fix all our problems;

> rather than just eat healthy and exercise more.

>

> Granted, we're obviously sick with some sort of problem to cause our

> low T or high estrogens, but maybe instead of buying lots of

> supplements and trying to figure out what time of day to take how much

> of what, wouldn't we be well served to spend our money on some REAL

> food.

>

> Instead of buying DIM, why not eat some broccoli?

>

> Instead of buying magnesium and calcium, how about eating some spinach

> and drinking some milk?

>

> Instead of buying iron pills, why not eat some red meat, eggs,

> whatever.

>

> I think the real answer is some combination of good healthy foods with

> minor supplementation of vitamins, etc, but our answers to better

> health aren't just at the local GNC.

>

> I'll offer up Dr. Mirkin as an example. He is 80+ years old, and a

> competitive bicyclist. He claims to never take vitamins, and just

> eats huge amounts of green leafy salads, beans, legumes, etc. Maybe

> he's just a freak of nature, but who knows.

>

> Bottom line, I think we spend too much time worrying about things like

> don't take your zinc with your copper, and not enough time worrying

> about losing a few pounds, getting the body moving, and eating some

> healthy foods.

>

> ;-)

>

> On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Farrell wrote:

>

>> I notice that anyone who takes Centrum Silver is taking Zinc and

>> Copper together.

>>

>> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...>

>> wrote: A leading doctor recommended

>> using Zinc as a form of an aromatase inhibitor as opposed to taking

>> Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than Zinc but yes, I

>> take the Zinc/Copper combination.

>>

>> The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet

>> of Copper daily. They're both common and easy to find.

>>

>> I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together

>> being bad for you. I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me

>> some great input.

>>

>> However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to

>> elaborate a little more about taking them together because I have

>> been doing it. I haven't noticed anything but extra wood but if I am

>> harming myself by taking them together I would like to know more

>> about it.

>>

>> Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

>> Hi guys,

>>

>> Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be

>> used

>> long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

>>

>> I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

>> at the same time. True?

>>

>> Mike

>>

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>>

>>

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My Friend told me this and I believe him he is dam good at this people pay

him for his service.

So all he is saying if to take the Zinc in the form of ZMA at bedtime and the

copper in the morning, noon or dinner just not at the same time you do the Zinc

ZMA has Zinc in it and Magnesium. I like it better then what I was taking.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

The reason you need copper with zinc is zinc lower it.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

A leading doctor recommended using Zinc as a form of an aromatase

inhibitor as opposed to taking Arimidex. Granted, Arimidex is more powerful than

Zinc but yes, I take the Zinc/Copper combination.

The book said one 50mg tablet of Zinc followed with one 2mg tablet of Copper

daily. They're both common and easy to find.

I haven't read anything about taking Copper and Zinc together being bad for you.

I don't disbelieve Phil either. Phil has given me some great input.

However Phil, if you read this post I would like for you to elaborate a little

more about taking them together because I have been doing it. I haven't noticed

anything but extra wood but if I am harming myself by taking them together I

would like to know more about it.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

at the same time. True?

Mike

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[Guest guest]

He is ok I was taking them both at the same time and Zinc helps me with E2 but

not good enough. I am now back on Indolplex/DIM after losing weight Arimidex is

to strong I am going to low and can't keep leveled.

" bgearhart40@... " <Bgearhart40@...> wrote: My dh is on the

gel..he takes 50 mgs of Zinc every noring...and 2 mg of copper every evening..so

far no prob with E2 levels. He has been doing this for 14 months now.

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I think that sometimes drs day this because large doses of zinc may inhibit

copper absorption in the intestine; that is why zinc supplements should be

taken at least 2 hours after the administration of copper supplements...

I fugure it doesn't hurt to separate them so why not be extra cautious?

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Dave,

I appreciate the feedback. For the record, I have a very healthy diet

and exercise regimen. I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out

4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy.

It's not that I'm looking for a fix to all my problems with a single

pill. But if my problem is high E2 aromatizing from my TRT, I don't

think all the broccoli in the world is going to fix it. I was looking

into zinc as an alternative to arimidex since I, like you, prefer to

find a 'natural' solution than rely on yet another prescription drug.

Thanks,

Mike

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

> > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> >

> > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

> > at the same time. True?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

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Probably a good idea to spread all your stuff out over the day; kind

of like what happens when you get all these vitamins and minerals from

their natural source: your food.

On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:12 PM, bgearhart40@... wrote:

> I think that sometimes drs day this because large doses of zinc may

> inhibit copper absorption in the intestine; that is why zinc

> supplements should be taken at least 2 hours after the

> administration of copper supplements...

> I fugure it doesn't hurt to separate them so why not be extra

> cautious?

>

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>

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Phil,

I was taking Bio-D-Mulsion Forte for few months and started to get sick from

it, my doctor checked my levels and they where good not high but within

range we think it might have gone bad. Do you keep yours in your fridge? I

was putting it in my medicine cabinet my doctor feels it should be kept in

the fridge but the directions don't tell you to.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

> Dave,

>

> I appreciate the feedback. For the record, I have a very healthy diet

> and exercise regimen. I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

> veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out

> 4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy.

>

> It's not that I'm looking for a fix to all my problems with a single

> pill. But if my problem is high E2 aromatizing from my TRT, I don't

> think all the broccoli in the world is going to fix it. I was looking

> into zinc as an alternative to arimidex since I, like you, prefer to

> find a 'natural' solution than rely on yet another prescription drug.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

>

>

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

> > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > >

> > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

> > > at the same time. True?

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

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> > >

> > >

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One other thing where to you order yours from?

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Osborne <ozzmed@...> wrote:

> Phil,

>

> I was taking Bio-D-Mulsion Forte for few months and started to get sick

> from it, my doctor checked my levels and they where good not high but within

> range we think it might have gone bad. Do you keep yours in your fridge? I

> was putting it in my medicine cabinet my doctor feels it should be kept in

> the fridge but the directions don't tell you to.

>

> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

>

> > Dave,

> >

> > I appreciate the feedback. For the record, I have a very healthy diet

> > and exercise regimen. I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

> > veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out

> > 4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy.

> >

> > It's not that I'm looking for a fix to all my problems with a single

> > pill. But if my problem is high E2 aromatizing from my TRT, I don't

> > think all the broccoli in the world is going to fix it. I was looking

> > into zinc as an alternative to arimidex since I, like you, prefer to

> > find a 'natural' solution than rely on yet another prescription drug.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be

> > used

> > > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but

> > not

> > > > at the same time. True?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > > >

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When I was on monthly shots I would aromatize my dosage and often felt sick as a

dog. Now I'm on weekly shots and do fine. What TRT program are you on. What are

you using, how much and how often?

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote: Dave,

I appreciate the feedback. For the record, I have a very healthy diet

and exercise regimen. I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out

4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy.

It's not that I'm looking for a fix to all my problems with a single

pill. But if my problem is high E2 aromatizing from my TRT, I don't

think all the broccoli in the world is going to fix it. I was looking

into zinc as an alternative to arimidex since I, like you, prefer to

find a 'natural' solution than rely on yet another prescription drug.

Thanks,

Mike

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be used

> > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> >

> > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but not

> > at the same time. True?

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

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I'm using Testim topical gel, 1 tube per day. I believe the tube is

the minimum dosage (maybe 50mg? or something like that). I've been on

the gel since end of November.

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

be used

> > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > >

> > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

but not

> > > at the same time. True?

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> > >

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http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn

This is my first time using it. I am told to do 2 to 4 drops a day one drop at

a time so it can be 2x's a day to 4 x's a day.

Osborne <ozzmed@...> wrote: One other thing where to you

order yours from?

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Osborne <ozzmed@...> wrote:

> Phil,

>

> I was taking Bio-D-Mulsion Forte for few months and started to get sick

> from it, my doctor checked my levels and they where good not high but within

> range we think it might have gone bad. Do you keep yours in your fridge? I

> was putting it in my medicine cabinet my doctor feels it should be kept in

> the fridge but the directions don't tell you to.

>

> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

>

> > Dave,

> >

> > I appreciate the feedback. For the record, I have a very healthy diet

> > and exercise regimen. I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

> > veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out

> > 4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy.

> >

> > It's not that I'm looking for a fix to all my problems with a single

> > pill. But if my problem is high E2 aromatizing from my TRT, I don't

> > think all the broccoli in the world is going to fix it. I was looking

> > into zinc as an alternative to arimidex since I, like you, prefer to

> > find a 'natural' solution than rely on yet another prescription drug.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it be

> > used

> > > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too, but

> > not

> > > > at the same time. True?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes this is low how are you labs post them.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote: I'm using Testim topical gel, 1 tube

per day. I believe the tube is

the minimum dosage (maybe 50mg? or something like that). I've been on

the gel since end of November.

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

be used

> > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > >

> > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

but not

> > > at the same time. True?

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Patches and gels never worked for me and they don't work for a lot of people.

What was your latest T score on the gel? You may be feeling lousy because the

gel isn't working.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote: I'm using Testim topical gel, 1 tube

per day. I believe the tube is

the minimum dosage (maybe 50mg? or something like that). I've been on

the gel since end of November.

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

be used

> > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > >

> > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

but not

> > > at the same time. True?

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My total T after 2 weeks on the gel was 670. Please note that I didn't

start feeling lousy until *after* I started testosterone-boosting

treatment (first on Clomid and now on Testim). At one point on Clomid,

my Total T was over 1000 and free T in the 20s and I felt like crap.

My running theory is that E2 is making me feel lousy or that the

testosterone is somehow triggering something else. I check in with my

doc in a couple of weeks.

Mike

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

> be used

> > > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

> but not

> > > > at the same time. True?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

you very well could be converting a lot of T to E2. If there's a pattern to when

you feel bad...... I used to plot monthly graphs to show the patterns in when I

felt bad. I would show the doctor so at least he had something he could look at.

I'd recommend getting an E2 check during the period you feel bad, see if you

can make any connections on that end.

On a monthly shot, they'd give me a lot to last for 30 days. Having an

excessive amount in me at one time really activated the aromatase so I know I

had to be converting a lot of T.

You're taking a stable daily dose so it's too hard for me to say.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

My total T after 2 weeks on the gel was 670. Please note that I didn't

start feeling lousy until *after* I started testosterone-boosting

treatment (first on Clomid and now on Testim). At one point on Clomid,

my Total T was over 1000 and free T in the 20s and I felt like crap.

My running theory is that E2 is making me feel lousy or that the

testosterone is somehow triggering something else. I check in with my

doc in a couple of weeks.

Mike

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

> be used

> > > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

> but not

> > > > at the same time. True?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Mike said:

" I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work out 4-5x week

and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel lousy. "

Are you also taking B12 shots. If not why don't you try eating a ground round

steak one time and see if you feel better. I got the same way when I jogged 7

days a week and did not eat red meat.

I lived on home made veg soup at that time. No fruit and no meat.

I felt too bad to jogg after 3-4 days off red meat. Once I eat a ground round

burger patty with a small can of green beans I felt on top of the world again

within the hour.

kissie

Re: Zinc for controlling E2?

you very well could be converting a lot of T to E2. If there's a pattern to

when you feel bad...... I used to plot monthly graphs to show the patterns in

when I felt bad. I would show the doctor so at least he had something he could

look at.

I'd recommend getting an E2 check during the period you feel bad, see if you

can make any connections on that end.

On a monthly shot, they'd give me a lot to last for 30 days. Having an

excessive amount in me at one time really activated the aromatase so I know I

had to be converting a lot of T.

You're taking a stable daily dose so it's too hard for me to say.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote:

My total T after 2 weeks on the gel was 670. Please note that I didn't

start feeling lousy until *after* I started testosterone-boosting

treatment (first on Clomid and now on Testim). At one point on Clomid,

my Total T was over 1000 and free T in the 20s and I felt like crap.

My running theory is that E2 is making me feel lousy or that the

testosterone is somehow triggering something else. I check in with my

doc in a couple of weeks.

Mike

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

> be used

> > > > long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

> but not

> > > > at the same time. True?

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with your theory, and it mirrors my own experience somewhat.

Good luck.

On Mar 5, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Mike wrote:

> My total T after 2 weeks on the gel was 670. Please note that I didn't

> start feeling lousy until *after* I started testosterone-boosting

> treatment (first on Clomid and now on Testim). At one point on Clomid,

> my Total T was over 1000 and free T in the 20s and I felt like crap.

>

> My running theory is that E2 is making me feel lousy or that the

> testosterone is somehow triggering something else. I check in with my

> doc in a couple of weeks.

>

> Mike

>

>

>>>>> Hi guys,

>>>>>

>>>>> Has anyone tried using zinc alone to control E2 levels? Can it

>> be used

>>>>> long-term, and, if so at what safe dosage?

>>>>>

>>>>> I've heard that if you take zinc you need to take copper too,

>> but not

>>>>> at the same time. True?

>>>>>

>>>>> Mike

>>>>>

>>>>> ---------------------------------

>>>>> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Kissie,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not actually a vegetarian. I eat either

fish or chicken protein every day. And my B12 levels just came in fine

(middle of the range). I do have beef once in a while. In fact, it's

kind of funny but after my low free T labs first came back I went out

and ate red meat and high-cholesterol fried foods for a few months.

Not excessively, mind you, but at least 2-3 times a week. My

cholesterol at the time was 90 total. Yep, you read that right. I was

actually concerned that I wasn't getting enough fat and cholesterol in

my diet and that that was causing my low T. Didn't make a damn bit of

difference though. So now I'm back to the healthier diet!

Mike

>

> Mike said:

> " I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

> veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work

out 4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel

lousy. "

> Are you also taking B12 shots. If not why don't you try eating a

ground round steak one time and see if you feel better. I got the same

way when I jogged 7 days a week and did not eat red meat.

> I lived on home made veg soup at that time. No fruit and no meat.

> I felt too bad to jogg after 3-4 days off red meat. Once I eat a

ground round burger patty with a small can of green beans I felt on

top of the world again within the hour.

> kissie

[Guest guest]

hmmm... are you taking statins, beta blockers, ace inhibators or angio-tensin2

blockers? Anyone of the above can cause your symptoms. I bet the doctor was

tickled to death with a 90 cholestrol.

With a 90 total cholestrol I don't see how you could manufacture testosterone

hormones.

kissie

Re: Zinc for controlling E2?

Kissie,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not actually a vegetarian. I eat either

fish or chicken protein every day. And my B12 levels just came in fine

(middle of the range). I do have beef once in a while. In fact, it's

kind of funny but after my low free T labs first came back I went out

and ate red meat and high-cholesterol fried foods for a few months.

Not excessively, mind you, but at least 2-3 times a week. My

cholesterol at the time was 90 total. Yep, you read that right. I was

actually concerned that I wasn't getting enough fat and cholesterol in

my diet and that that was causing my low T. Didn't make a damn bit of

difference though. So now I'm back to the healthier diet!

Mike

>

> Mike said:

> " I eat plenty of leafy greens, fruits and other

> veggies, avoid red meat, eat wild salmon 3x week, etc. I also work

out 4-5x week and do yoga 1x per week. I do all that and still feel

lousy. "

> Are you also taking B12 shots. If not why don't you try eating a

ground round steak one time and see if you feel better. I got the same

way when I jogged 7 days a week and did not eat red meat.

> I lived on home made veg soup at that time. No fruit and no meat.

> I felt too bad to jogg after 3-4 days off red meat. Once I eat a

ground round burger patty with a small can of green beans I felt on

top of the world again within the hour.

> kissie

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