Re: Novarel - Good for just 30 days?

April 26, 2006

Hi Hank,

I did my last HCG shot the day before yesterday and it was 27 days old. I do

500 IU's every 3 days the day before my T shot of 64mgs. every 3 days. I did

not get that feeling of well being I get after my HCG shot. I did my T shot

yesterday and this morning I got up feeling on my ass. I called my Dr. and told

him I felt the HCG did not work on my last shot so he said to mix a new one

today. Wow now that is what I am talking about what a lift. So I am finding it

goes bad in 27 days. And yes get rid of it. It was made by APP labs and would

last 60 days but APP started makeing there own HCG so Novarel had to find a new

lab to make it for them and the water they use is different then what APP used.

When APP made Novarel it lasted over 60 day. Now APP makes there own and it is

good for 60 days but does not work for me. I was on it for 4 weeks and crashed.

Phil

maverick_2414 <maverick_2414@...> wrote:

Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30 days

do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

do... thanks, Hank

April 27, 2006

It's really ridiculous. First, trying to get a script for HCG is near

impossible, then you worry if the insurance will cover it, and now

after going through all that, its in short supply.

I know there was some suggestions over at the Meso-Rx board of trying

to freeze some of the stuff and extend its life, but I guess that

dosen't work too well. HCG is one of those things that, once its

dissolved, " the clock is ticking " even if its frozen.

I've taken a more radical approach to the problem, and I'm not about

to suggest this as a remedy, but as a last resort I've opened the

vial containing the HCG powder, split it into three equal amounts,

and put them in their own capped vials. We'll see how that works.

Rich

> Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

days

> do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> do... thanks, Hank

>

April 27, 2006

Hi.

I called the manufacturer not to long ago and was told that novarel

lasts. That the 30 day expiration limit was due to contamination

fears. For example, you should run the rubber top with the alcohol

wipe and of course your injection site. The Hcg I was told does not

expire in the sense thatit loses its power but it expires because

people arent using hygene.

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 27, 2006

What is the shelf life of unmixed HCG powder? I thought it was only

the mixed product that had a 30 day shelf life!?!? I've never done

HCG and my pharmacist didn't know the answer to these questions.

ASaxon

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

I'm not sure if I posted this already so here it goes, again maybe.

What is the shelf life of unmixed HCG powder? I thought it was only

the mixed product that had a 30 day shelf life!?!? I've never done

HCG and my pharmacist didn't know the answer to these questions.

ASaxon

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

>

> What is the shelf life of unmixed HCG powder? I thought it was only

> the mixed product that had a 30 day shelf life!?!? I've never done

> HCG and my pharmacist didn't know the answer to these questions.

>

> ASaxon

>

I think your understanding is correct. The manufacturer describes the

unreconstituted powder as " stable " . The unreconstituted powder is to

be maintained at 59 - 86 degrees Farenheit. The individual packages

should have an imprinted lot number and expiration date. I would go

by the expiration date imprinted.

Brad

April 28, 2006

Rich,

I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder. I wish

I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I

am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just

500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

Threw out some this morning and mixed a new vial- throw it out...it

is worthless after a month and I can surely feel it when it stops...-

- In , " Rich " <caliconine@...> wrote:

>

> It's really ridiculous. First, trying to get a script for HCG is

near

> impossible, then you worry if the insurance will cover it, and now

> after going through all that, its in short supply.

> I know there was some suggestions over at the Meso-Rx board of

trying

> to freeze some of the stuff and extend its life, but I guess that

> dosen't work too well. HCG is one of those things that, once its

> dissolved, " the clock is ticking " even if its frozen.

> I've taken a more radical approach to the problem, and I'm not

about

> to suggest this as a remedy, but as a last resort I've opened the

> vial containing the HCG powder, split it into three equal amounts,

> and put them in their own capped vials. We'll see how that works.

> Rich

>

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I

am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just

500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

I wish this was true but it is not APP was making Novarel and stopped to make

there own. A new lab makes Novarel and the water they use dose not last more

then 27 day for me. The shot I did on the 27th day after it was mixed did

nothing for me. I get a feeling of well being after doing my HCG shot with

Novarel got nothing on the last shot that was 27 days old. APP has HCG and the

water they have is I guess theirs and is good for 60 days. Problem with APP

brand for me is I don't get that feeling of well being and after using it for a

week I started crashing my levels went down. Guys on the web talk about useing

a water that they claim will make it last 60 days. But I don't want to mess

around doing crap like this you never know what will happen messing with or

changing a drug.

Phil

<tonyknocker123@...> wrote:

Hi.

I called the manufacturer not to long ago and was told that novarel

lasts. That the 30 day expiration limit was due to contamination

fears. For example, you should run the rubber top with the alcohol

wipe and of course your injection site. The Hcg I was told does not

expire in the sense thatit loses its power but it expires because

people arent using hygene.

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

The last vile I just mixed I got 5 months ago and it says it is good to 12/06.

Phil

asaxon67 <no_reply > wrote:

What is the shelf life of unmixed HCG powder? I thought it was only

the mixed product that had a 30 day shelf life!?!? I've never done

HCG and my pharmacist didn't know the answer to these questions.

ASaxon

> > Hi all! From the package insert and reading on here, the HCG I am

> > using, Novarel, is only good for 30 days. Since I am on just 500ius

> > three times a week, I have extra left over after 30 days are up.

> > Around 4000ius actually. I was just wondering if everyone using

> > Novarel throws out at exactly 30 days? If not, how long after 30

> days

> > do you use the Novarel? I hate to waste ($$$) but what should I

> > do... thanks, Hank

> >

April 28, 2006

>

> Rich,

> I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder. I wish

> I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

> partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

>

To do this is to introduce potential problems with sterility. How

would divide the powder and get your dose correct? You could get a

scale but one of suitable precision will also cost some $$$. Seems

like you are causing yourself problems to save a relatively small

amount of money.

Brad

April 28, 2006

Well, like I say, I'm not recommending this approach, but I don't

remember anyone else posting about trying it, so I figured what the

heck, I'll try it. Its not about the money, it the sheer waste of

effort and material in getting the HCG in the first place and then

end up tossing out the unused amount.

I've already got the balance (a Mettler Torsion balance.) Its a

mechanical-type balance and I salvaged one when my place of business

was throwing them out in place of electronic balances. Its plenty

accurate. I worked with a lot of lyophilized compounds when I was a

chemist before I retired. The vials, septums, caps and cap pliers I

got online. The pliers were a little pricey but everything else was

cheap. I admit I could really use a glove bag and a cylinder of dry

nitrogen, but thats beyond my present capacity. (I imagine the HCG

doses in solution are freeze-dried directly in the vials and

mechanically capped on the assembly line for sterility.)

For the record, the HCG powder weighed 130mg, which is typical for a

freeze-dried solid; low density. I split it up into three 43mg

portions and put them into three vials (I used the original vial as

one of the three) set the septum and aluminum cap and crimped them.

The portions may not be extremely accurate but as long as I can get

three equal portions, that what I need. You have to figure the

hypodermic syringe isn't that accurate, either. I was a little

worried about the solid being hygroscopic as a lot of lyophilized

powders with their large surface area will absorb atmospheric

humidity like a sponge. Some of them are also electrostatic as hell

too, clinging to every surface. But HCG looks like one of the stable

ones, it was easy to handle. I've already injected a weeks worth from

one vial (at 100iu/day sub-q) with no ill effects (frankly, I'd be

surprised if I did experience something bad.) In terms of absolute

sterility, how many can say that they can, say, split an Arimidex

tablet into fourths of a pill, without using their fingers? I can't.

OK, so maybe I'm on a fools errand, but at least I can say I tried.

Rich

> >

> > Rich,

> > I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder. I

wish

> > I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

> > partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

> >

>

> To do this is to introduce potential problems with sterility. How

> would divide the powder and get your dose correct? You could get a

> scale but one of suitable precision will also cost some $$$. Seems

> like you are causing yourself problems to save a relatively small

> amount of money.

>

> Brad

>

April 28, 2006

A retired chemist brings certain skills to the task that others may

not have. If I were determined to do this, I might ask a compounding

pharmacist to perform the procedure for me as he or she would likely

have the required equipment, skills and training. Splitting arimidex

isn't really the same thing since it is ingested orally instead of

being injected. I orally ingest non-sterile things all the time. I'm

more risk averse when it comes to injecting things. I would agree

that getting an hcg script is unnecessarily difficult in the first place.

Brad

> > >

> > > Rich,

> > > I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder. I

> wish

> > > I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

> > > partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

> > >

> >

> > To do this is to introduce potential problems with sterility. How

> > would divide the powder and get your dose correct? You could get a

> > scale but one of suitable precision will also cost some $$$. Seems

> > like you are causing yourself problems to save a relatively small

> > amount of money.

> >

> > Brad

> >

>

April 28, 2006

Brad-

You're right about the Arimidex; it was an afterthought at the end

and after I posted, I thought it might have been a weak example. The

other example I was thinking of is: you know that when you're

injecting HGC over 30 days, that you're putting the outside air in

the vial. There's no way to avoid it. That same air that has every

normal air-borne pathogen or, hell, if your injecting in the kitchen,

the aroma of last nights chili. Those are everyday risks. I know

people who actually avoid door handles, trying to prevent catching

some contact virus.

I'm also in favor of the injections in this case being sub-q rather

than IM. I get a lot of skin punctures in life, from paper cuts to

rose thorns. With IM, I think I'd be a little more nervous.

I'd also be curious about how a compounding pharmacist would handle

this.

Rich

> > > >

> > > > Rich,

> > > > I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder.

I

> > wish

> > > > I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

> > > > partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

> > > >

> > >

> > > To do this is to introduce potential problems with sterility.

How

> > > would divide the powder and get your dose correct? You could

get a

> > > scale but one of suitable precision will also cost some $$$.

Seems

> > > like you are causing yourself problems to save a relatively

small

> > > amount of money.

> > >

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

April 28, 2006

Brad, all good points. Maybe it was not such a great idea after

all. thanks, Hank

-- In , brad999us <no_reply@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Rich,

> > I think you might be onto something dividing up the powder. I

wish

> > I had some spare vials to do the same. I hate throwing out

> > partially used vials. They cost $$$ you know! thanks, Hank

> >

>

> To do this is to introduce potential problems with sterility. How

> would divide the powder and get your dose correct? You could get a

> scale but one of suitable precision will also cost some $$$. Seems

> like you are causing yourself problems to save a relatively small

> amount of money.

>

> Brad

>

April 28, 2006

Really I don't see any good comming out these posts on messing with meds. Maybe

some here have the know how to do this but what about the guys that try this and

get sick this is what I am worried about.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote: