Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Unlikely ADC disappears because of health care policies in the USA imo. It is kinda illegal now so I can't see this company negatively impacted. As a matter of fact I couls envision companies like ADC doing even better!!! ________________________________ From: Dave <dcbaden@...> Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 11:12:53 AM Subject: Re: Arimidex side effects  Thanks Mike. I feel the same way. I'm going to try cutting back and re-introducing DIM, just to see, but I'm not banking on it. My concern is that she said she would not prescribe Arimidex. I'm currently getting it from ADC. ADC is great, but I'm afraid that source can dry up with the stroke of a pen - especially now with all the healthcare debate. Zinc/Coppper. Thought about it, but I have adrenal issues too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Group, > > > > > > > > Well, I decided to just stick out the arimidex and see what happens. So > > > > far, I've had some minimal side effects but I think they may go away. > > The > > > > one that concerns me the most is the forceful heart pounding and pain > > in my > > > > chest region that I get the day of taking the medication. I also get a > > > > weaker heart pounding the next day but it eventually goes away. Does > > anyone > > > > have experience with this? Should I just continue taking it with the > > idea > > > > that my body will eventually adjust to it? > > > > > > > > Thyroid does this to me but my body will eventually adjust to it. Is > > the > > > > same true for arimidex? > > > & > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 , do you have a link to this information? -Nigel On 19 February 2011 11:32, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote: ....Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that substantiates that zinc > does lower estrogen in men at those doses... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 No, but I heard it from the horses mouth about a year ago. You can visit his webpage, milleniumhealth, and peruse it for info on it. You could also email Dr. for info on this as he has also told this to me. If i recall correctly, you take 60 mg of Zinc twice per day with 2 mg of Copper also twice per day. Mike On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote: > > > , do you have a link to this information? > > -Nigel > > On 19 February 2011 11:32, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@... > >wrote: > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that substantiates that zinc > > does lower estrogen in men at those doses... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hah, Mike I missed this before I asked for more info. I found a post where Dr talks about it: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/136349-secretropin-trial.html " Dr. Gordon has successfully used 160mg zinc citrate, in divided doses, to control estrogen during appropriate TRT. Just take 2mg of copper per 50mg of zinc at the same time. This combats the competitive inhibition of otherwise overwhelming +2 charge of the zinc with respect to copper metabolism. " Thanks for letting me know where you heard this, though. I just haven't heard that much about zinc and lowering estradiol, so that's why I asked. -Nigel On 23 February 2011 00:12, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote: > No, but I heard it from the horses mouth about a year ago. You can visit > his > webpage, milleniumhealth, and peruse it for info on it. You could also > email Dr. for info on this as he has also told this to me. If i > recall > correctly, you take 60 mg of Zinc twice per day with 2 mg of Copper also > twice per day. > > Mike > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote: > > > > > > > , do you have a link to this information? > > > > -Nigel > > > > On 19 February 2011 11:32, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@... > > >wrote: > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that substantiates that zinc > > > does lower estrogen in men at those doses... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Yes it was Dr. Shippen that talked about this in his book " The Testosterone Syndrome " he says to start on 50mgs/2mgs of copper 2x's/day for the first month or two then just do 50/2. Don't Email Dr. you will not hear back from him about this just do a search at his forum. http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male Co-Moderator Phil > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > substantiates that zinc > > > does lower estrogen in men at those doses... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Instead of arimidex? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 23. feb. 2011 kl. 17.55 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: Yes it was Dr. Shippen that talked about this in his book " The Testosterone Syndrome " he says to start on 50mgs/2mgs of copper 2x's/day for the first month or two then just do 50/2. Don't Email Dr. you will not hear back from him about this just do a search at his forum. http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male Co-Moderator Phil > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > substantiates that zinc > > > does lower estrogen in men at those doses... > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Good find I don't agree with Dr. about doing both zinc and copper at the same time both Hard aka Matrix and I had very low copper levels doing both at the same time. When I switched to ZMA at bedtime and 2 mgs of Copper at lunch my levels came up good. Now I also get Zinc and Copper in my Multi-Vit. 20 mgs of Zinc and 2 mgs of Copper. http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm I have a link to a study saying you sould not take them both at the same time. But I can't find it. Well here it is in the link Nigel gave. http://tinyurl.com/6x86xc Now I am not saying Dr. is wrong all I am saying is not doing both at the same time worked better for me and Hard. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > substantiates that zinc > > > > does lower estrogen in men at those > doses... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 No do this with Arimidex men all over the world are very low on Zinc. We just don't get it in the food or meat we eat. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > > substantiates that zinc > > > > does lower estrogen in men at those > doses... > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I notice less need for Arimidex with zinc supplements, but I still need to keep things under control with Arimidex. -Nigel On 23 February 2011 11:03, <gibcast@...> wrote: > > > Instead of arimidex? > > Sendt fra min iPhone > > Den 23. feb. 2011 kl. 17.55 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: > > Yes it was Dr. Shippen that talked about this in his book " The Testosterone > Syndrome " he says to start on 50mgs/2mgs of copper 2x's/day for the first > month or two then just do 50/2. > > Don't Email Dr. you will not hear back from him about this just do a > search at his forum. > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> > > Subject: Re: Re: Arimidex side effects > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:12 AM > > No, but I heard it from the horses > > mouth about a year ago. You can visit his > > webpage, milleniumhealth, and peruse it for info on > > it. You could also > > email Dr. for info on this as he has also told this to > > me. If i recall > > correctly, you take 60 mg of Zinc twice per day with 2 mg > > of Copper also > > twice per day. > > > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Phil, I guess it probably wouldn't matter when you took the copper. They are just concerned that Zinc depletes copper so you need to replenish it. Mike On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote: > > > Good find I don't agree with Dr. about doing both zinc and copper at > the same time both Hard aka Matrix and I had very low copper levels doing > both at the same time. When I switched to ZMA at bedtime and 2 mgs of > Copper at lunch my levels came up good. Now I also get Zinc and Copper in > my Multi-Vit. 20 mgs of Zinc and 2 mgs of Copper. > http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm > I have a link to a study saying you sould not take them both at the same > time. But I can't find it. > > Well here it is in the link Nigel gave. > http://tinyurl.com/6x86xc > Now I am not saying Dr. is wrong all I am saying is not doing both at > the same time worked better for me and Hard. > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > > substantiates that zinc > > > > > does lower estrogen in men at those > > doses... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Well Zinc, or Vitamin C, depleted my copper..... > > > > > > > > ...Dr. Mark Gordon has some solid research that > > substantiates that zinc > > > > > does lower estrogen in men at those > > doses... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 All minerals compete for absorption. There's some antagonism going on when you take copper and zinc together. For best absorption you'd avoid taking all minerals together and this is why multivitamins/multiminerals are basically pointless. In addition, zinc likes to tweak bowel absorption of copper and downregulate it. That's what I think Dr was referring to when he said: " This combats the competitive inhibition of otherwise overwhelming +2 charge of the zinc with respect to copper metabolism. " Other than lowering absorption of copper, zinc doesn't really lower copper levels already in the body. Therefore, ones becoming copper deficient from a little zinc could possibly already have a leaning towards low copper and the zinc could then reduce copper absorption enough to induce a full blown deficiency. Possibly diet can be to blame. Liver is heavily loaded with copper and who eats that these days, or mushrooms? -Nigel On 23 February 2011 15:39, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote: > Phil, > > I guess it probably wouldn't matter when you took the copper. They are > just > concerned that Zinc depletes copper so you need to replenish it. > > Mike > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@... > >wrote: > > > > > > > Good find I don't agree with Dr. about doing both zinc and copper at > > the same time both Hard aka Matrix and I had very low copper levels doing > > both at the same time. When I switched to ZMA at bedtime and 2 mgs of > > Copper at lunch my levels came up good. Now I also get Zinc and Copper > in > > my Multi-Vit. 20 mgs of Zinc and 2 mgs of Copper. > > http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm > > I have a link to a study saying you sould not take them both at the same > > time. But I can't find it. > > > > Well here it is in the link Nigel gave. > > http://tinyurl.com/6x86xc > > Now I am not saying Dr. is wrong all I am saying is not doing both > at > > the same time worked better for me and Hard. > > > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Sounds like a plain might try this next time I have them Panic feelings. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > So do I it kills Aromatase so you do not come back as > fast as you do with > > arimidex not rebound effet so maybe all you need is it > once in a week to 10 > > days. How long after taking it do you feel better. > > > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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