beginner needs some advice

[Guest guest]

I sent this earlier but it bounced back as I did not know how to

sign up for this group. If this is duplicated, please excuse my

computer ignorance. This is a serious deal for me, and I could

really use some advice from guys that have a better understanding

than me. So, I have joined the group now and hope I can get a better

understanding. If anyone has some articles or reading to recommend,

as well as personal experience and comments, it is appreciated. JH

Hello,

A friend of mine sent me this address, as he has been taking T

shots for some years now. I was just started last summer. I got very

little help from the doctor, and have struggled with learning to

give myself a shot in the ass, but am ok with it now. I tried the

tablets, but they do not work nearly as well as the shots. The cream

was so expensive I decided to just " turn the other cheek " .

Initially, I was hospitalized for acute prostatitis. Damned

near killed me. It got into my blood and went " septic " . I have been

on Cipro ever since, and get sick again if I stop taking it. It has

gotten some better and I am on reduced dosage now, and doing ok. But

I have noticed very dramatic improvement in the symptoms of a bad

prostate gland since they started me on T. I do not have to get up

every few hours at night to piss. Usually once or not at all. Also,

the urine flow is a lot better, and not just a miserable dribble.

When the T wears off, these symptoms come back fast. If T works like

this for me, I wonder why doctors do not routinely recommend it for

men with prostatitis?

I wonder if other men with failing prostate glands would also

benefit from T? The doctors do not seem to know much about it. But

the difference for me is extreme, and a great improvement. Is there

some political or liability reason that doctors do not want to help

their make patients reach the optimum level of T in their bodies?

I have found that one smaller shot per week is better than a

higher dosage every 2 weeks. I get less " ramped up " and my body

seems to clear itself in about a week or so, no matter how large the

dosage. I have tried different levels to see what works best for me.

I discussed this with the urologist, and he was concerned that my T

levels would get too high and be dangerous from experimentation. I

have had blood taken on 3 or 4 occasions since then, and always ask

them to check the T levels. I have never been told these levels, but

only that I am still at well below average levels. Should I ask for

the exact numbers and also ask for the history of these blood tests?

What levels are considered optimal, or dangerous? Are there some

general guidelines, or warning signs? I feel like I am really on my

own here, and it worries me that I amy be taking too little or too

much.

This medicine has changed my life, and for the better. I have

more energy, and more stamina. I feel better. Plus it has really

helped with the infected prostate gland. The urologist told me that

it was likely I would never completely get rid of this infection,

and that I will be on at least a reduced dosage of Cipro for the

rest of my life. I would appreciate any guidance or experience from

others who may be able to suggest some ways to manage this

medication program. Thanks

Hadley

Portland, Oregon

55 years young

[Guest guest]

Hey - Welcome to the group

Yes you need to call the doctors office and get copies of the results from all

your testing. There should be a level and a range listed based on the test. We

all react differently to the T shots so you can not just go on dosage. How much

are you taking and how much do you weigh? Typical dosages for average weight is

100 mgs every 7 days. I weigh in at 160 lbs and only require 60-80 mgs every 7

days.

One thing to be aware of is that if you overload on T, your body will convert

some to estradiol (E2) or to DHT. E2 is considered to have a negative affect on

the prostate. That is why you need both you T and E2 checked and possibly DHT.

You can take an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex to prevent conversion to E2

and Saw Palmetto for DHT. Till you know your levels, you are just shooting in

the dark.

I have had 1 bout with an infection of the prostate but was fortunate to get

rid of it with one round of anti-biotics.

Find out your results and ranges and post them and we can give you our

opinions.

Good Luck - Arkansas

agspecialties1 <agspecialties1@...> wrote:

I sent this earlier but it bounced back as I did not know how to

sign up for this group. If this is duplicated, please excuse my

computer ignorance. This is a serious deal for me, and I could

really use some advice from guys that have a better understanding

than me. So, I have joined the group now and hope I can get a better

understanding. If anyone has some articles or reading to recommend,

as well as personal experience and comments, it is appreciated. JH

Hello,

A friend of mine sent me this address, as he has been taking T

shots for some years now. I was just started last summer. I got very

little help from the doctor, and have struggled with learning to

give myself a shot in the ass, but am ok with it now. I tried the

tablets, but they do not work nearly as well as the shots. The cream

was so expensive I decided to just " turn the other cheek " .

Initially, I was hospitalized for acute prostatitis. Damned

near killed me. It got into my blood and went " septic " . I have been

on Cipro ever since, and get sick again if I stop taking it. It has

gotten some better and I am on reduced dosage now, and doing ok. But

I have noticed very dramatic improvement in the symptoms of a bad

prostate gland since they started me on T. I do not have to get up

every few hours at night to piss. Usually once or not at all. Also,

the urine flow is a lot better, and not just a miserable dribble.

When the T wears off, these symptoms come back fast. If T works like

this for me, I wonder why doctors do not routinely recommend it for

men with prostatitis?

I wonder if other men with failing prostate glands would also

benefit from T? The doctors do not seem to know much about it. But

the difference for me is extreme, and a great improvement. Is there

some political or liability reason that doctors do not want to help

their make patients reach the optimum level of T in their bodies?

I have found that one smaller shot per week is better than a

higher dosage every 2 weeks. I get less " ramped up " and my body

seems to clear itself in about a week or so, no matter how large the

dosage. I have tried different levels to see what works best for me.

I discussed this with the urologist, and he was concerned that my T

levels would get too high and be dangerous from experimentation. I

have had blood taken on 3 or 4 occasions since then, and always ask

them to check the T levels. I have never been told these levels, but

only that I am still at well below average levels. Should I ask for

the exact numbers and also ask for the history of these blood tests?

What levels are considered optimal, or dangerous? Are there some

general guidelines, or warning signs? I feel like I am really on my

own here, and it worries me that I amy be taking too little or too

much.

This medicine has changed my life, and for the better. I have

more energy, and more stamina. I feel better. Plus it has really

helped with the infected prostate gland. The urologist told me that

it was likely I would never completely get rid of this infection,

and that I will be on at least a reduced dosage of Cipro for the

rest of my life. I would appreciate any guidance or experience from

others who may be able to suggest some ways to manage this

medication program. Thanks

Hadley

Portland, Oregon

55 years young

[Guest guest]

;

the next time you have blood work done, ask the lab to send a copy

of the results directly to you. If you have a fax at home, they can

fax them to you, if not, then they will mail them to you house. I

have started doing this for all bloodw ork since my doc tends to

say, " everything looks good. " Well, I want to know what " good " is.

Won't removal of the prostate " cure " you? Now I am just wondering

out loud here, but isn't it a bad thing to be on an antibiotic for

life?

SafetyMan

>

> I sent this earlier but it bounced back as I did not know how to

> sign up for this group. If this is duplicated, please excuse my

> computer ignorance. This is a serious deal for me, and I could

> really use some advice from guys that have a better understanding

> than me. So, I have joined the group now and hope I can get a

better

> understanding. If anyone has some articles or reading to

recommend,

> as well as personal experience and comments, it is appreciated. JH

>

>

> Hello,

>

> A friend of mine sent me this address, as he has been taking

T

> shots for some years now. I was just started last summer. I got

very

> little help from the doctor, and have struggled with learning to

> give myself a shot in the ass, but am ok with it now. I tried the

> tablets, but they do not work nearly as well as the shots. The

cream

> was so expensive I decided to just " turn the other cheek " .

> Initially, I was hospitalized for acute prostatitis. Damned

> near killed me. It got into my blood and went " septic " . I have

been

> on Cipro ever since, and get sick again if I stop taking it. It

has

> gotten some better and I am on reduced dosage now, and doing ok.

But

> I have noticed very dramatic improvement in the symptoms of a bad

> prostate gland since they started me on T. I do not have to get up

> every few hours at night to piss. Usually once or not at all.

Also,

> the urine flow is a lot better, and not just a miserable dribble.

> When the T wears off, these symptoms come back fast. If T works

like

> this for me, I wonder why doctors do not routinely recommend it

for

> men with prostatitis?

> I wonder if other men with failing prostate glands would also

> benefit from T? The doctors do not seem to know much about it. But

> the difference for me is extreme, and a great improvement. Is

there

> some political or liability reason that doctors do not want to

help

> their make patients reach the optimum level of T in their bodies?

> I have found that one smaller shot per week is better than a

> higher dosage every 2 weeks. I get less " ramped up " and my body

> seems to clear itself in about a week or so, no matter how large

the

> dosage. I have tried different levels to see what works best for

me.

> I discussed this with the urologist, and he was concerned that my

T

> levels would get too high and be dangerous from experimentation. I

> have had blood taken on 3 or 4 occasions since then, and always

ask

> them to check the T levels. I have never been told these levels,

but

> only that I am still at well below average levels. Should I ask

for

> the exact numbers and also ask for the history of these blood

tests?

> What levels are considered optimal, or dangerous? Are there some

> general guidelines, or warning signs? I feel like I am really on

my

> own here, and it worries me that I amy be taking too little or too

> much.

> This medicine has changed my life, and for the better. I have

> more energy, and more stamina. I feel better. Plus it has really

> helped with the infected prostate gland. The urologist told me

that

> it was likely I would never completely get rid of this infection,

> and that I will be on at least a reduced dosage of Cipro for the

> rest of my life. I would appreciate any guidance or experience

from

> others who may be able to suggest some ways to manage this

> medication program. Thanks

>

> Hadley

> Portland, Oregon

> 55 years young

>

[Guest guest]

Is there some political or liability

reason that doctors do not want to help their make patients reach the

optimum level of T in their bodies?-----

Oh most certainly yes! See my recent post:

http://tinyurl.com/rdwp7

(you'll have to enter your name & password to view it)

[Guest guest]

Won't removal of the prostate " cure " you? --

Yikes, that would be like amputating a finger to cure an infected

cut. Not something you'd do unless gangrene and blood poisoning set

in. Radical prostectomy is only indicated in cases of prostate

cancer. Even with nerve sparing RA, side effects are varying degrees

of erectile dysfunction and/or incontinence, some temporary; some

permanent.

----Now I am just wondering out loud here, but isn't it a bad thing to

be on an antibiotic for life? ----

Definitely. Although for persistent infections an extended course of

high dose antibiotics is necessary. Lowering the dose or shortening

the prescribed course is extremely ill-advised because this will

create bacteria that are resistent to the antibiotic. Whenever an

antibiotic course is embarked on it is imperative to continue that

course for the duration. Generally response to antibiotic treatment

is seen by most patients after 48 hrs or so, but discontinuing the med

prematurely will bring back the infection back with a vengeance and

this time the bacteria will be resistent to the med.

It might be advisable to start a new course on a different antibiotic

and this time take the full (high end) dose for the longest timeline

specified in the package literature for physicians.

[Guest guest]

He could could have his Estradiol checked I was high and getting it down my

prostate went back down in size. I was getting one bladder infection after the

other 5 to 6 a yr. and was on antigiotics all the time. I started on Cranberry

Tables and never had one sense. But I will not stop taking them. My voiding

was very slow with high Estradiol I took Arimidex to get it down and still take

it to keep it down. If I let it go back up my prostate goes nuts on me.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

Phil

safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote:

;

the next time you have blood work done, ask the lab to send a copy

of the results directly to you. If you have a fax at home, they can

fax them to you, if not, then they will mail them to you house. I

have started doing this for all bloodw ork since my doc tends to

say, " everything looks good. " Well, I want to know what " good " is.

Won't removal of the prostate " cure " you? Now I am just wondering

out loud here, but isn't it a bad thing to be on an antibiotic for

life?

SafetyMan

>

> I sent this earlier but it bounced back as I did not know how to

> sign up for this group. If this is duplicated, please excuse my

> computer ignorance. This is a serious deal for me, and I could

> really use some advice from guys that have a better understanding

> than me. So, I have joined the group now and hope I can get a

better

> understanding. If anyone has some articles or reading to

recommend,

> as well as personal experience and comments, it is appreciated. JH

>

>

> Hello,

>

> A friend of mine sent me this address, as he has been taking

T

> shots for some years now. I was just started last summer. I got

very

> little help from the doctor, and have struggled with learning to

> give myself a shot in the ass, but am ok with it now. I tried the

> tablets, but they do not work nearly as well as the shots. The

cream

> was so expensive I decided to just " turn the other cheek " .

> Initially, I was hospitalized for acute prostatitis. Damned

> near killed me. It got into my blood and went " septic " . I have

been

> on Cipro ever since, and get sick again if I stop taking it. It

has

> gotten some better and I am on reduced dosage now, and doing ok.

But

> I have noticed very dramatic improvement in the symptoms of a bad

> prostate gland since they started me on T. I do not have to get up

> every few hours at night to piss. Usually once or not at all.

Also,

> the urine flow is a lot better, and not just a miserable dribble.

> When the T wears off, these symptoms come back fast. If T works

like

> this for me, I wonder why doctors do not routinely recommend it

for

> men with prostatitis?

> I wonder if other men with failing prostate glands would also

> benefit from T? The doctors do not seem to know much about it. But

> the difference for me is extreme, and a great improvement. Is

there

> some political or liability reason that doctors do not want to

help

> their make patients reach the optimum level of T in their bodies?

> I have found that one smaller shot per week is better than a

> higher dosage every 2 weeks. I get less " ramped up " and my body

> seems to clear itself in about a week or so, no matter how large

the

> dosage. I have tried different levels to see what works best for

me.

> I discussed this with the urologist, and he was concerned that my

T

> levels would get too high and be dangerous from experimentation. I

> have had blood taken on 3 or 4 occasions since then, and always

ask

> them to check the T levels. I have never been told these levels,

but

> only that I am still at well below average levels. Should I ask

for

> the exact numbers and also ask for the history of these blood

tests?

> What levels are considered optimal, or dangerous? Are there some

> general guidelines, or warning signs? I feel like I am really on

my

> own here, and it worries me that I amy be taking too little or too

> much.

> This medicine has changed my life, and for the better. I have

> more energy, and more stamina. I feel better. Plus it has really

> helped with the infected prostate gland. The urologist told me

that

> it was likely I would never completely get rid of this infection,

> and that I will be on at least a reduced dosage of Cipro for the

> rest of my life. I would appreciate any guidance or experience

from

> others who may be able to suggest some ways to manage this

> medication program. Thanks

>

> Hadley

> Portland, Oregon

> 55 years young

>

[Guest guest]

Even with nerve sparing RA----

Oops, typo. That should have been RP (Radical Prostectomy).

[Guest guest]

Hello,

WOW !! I have never received so many emails in my life. I do appreciate

the thoughtfullness. This is a lot more complicated than I thougt, and you folks

throw abreviations around like industry buzz words. I have no idea what much of

it means.

First, I have no intention of having my prostate removed simply to avoid

taking anti-biotics. The doctors did try several different anti-biotics, but

every time I completed the program, I would get sick again. It is apparently

very difficult for the prostate gland to get rid of some infections. I was on 2

Cipros a day, then down to one, and now I am on only 1/2 pill a day. The

urologist said that if I stay healthy for a couple of years this way, he will

then cut it back to 1/2 every other day, and that will likely be for life.

Perhaps there is no correlation between prostate infection and using T

shots for most people. But my limited experience is that the symptoms of the

sick prostate were decreased remarkably when I started taking the T shots. My

wife can tell when I need a shot as I get really cranky and irritable too.

Much of the advice received is to get the actual numbersw from these

tests, and to become more knowledgeable about this so that I can take more

control of my own health. That makes good sense. I will get the history of these

blood tests, and will then see what all they have been testing me for. I know

they do a test bi-annually for prostate cancer, and that was just done last

November. I was concerned that taking T shots might make this PSA number go

higher and they would take me off the T shots. I feel so much better taking

these shots that I do not want to give it up, so getting things in balance by

being more aware surely must be the right path here.

Thanks for the DEA and government tip. The Barry Bonds syndrome. This

also makes sense and is why the doctors do not want to talk about it. I have

noticed that I have gained body mass. I am 6' 1 " tall and now weigh about 240

pounds. If I lifted weights I would likely have no neck. I still doubt I could

hit 70 HRs in the Bigs though.

I will start the process of getting the test results and learning where I

am at now. Then I will submit these numbers and look forward to some comments

from some of you who are far more knowledgeable than I will ever be. I just want

to feel good and not risk my future health. Thanks again

Summers <rsummers@...> wrote:

Won't removal of the prostate " cure " you? --

Yikes, that would be like amputating a finger to cure an infected

cut. Not something you'd do unless gangrene and blood poisoning set

in. Radical prostectomy is only indicated in cases of prostate

cancer. Even with nerve sparing RA, side effects are varying degrees

of erectile dysfunction and/or incontinence, some temporary; some

permanent.

----Now I am just wondering out loud here, but isn't it a bad thing to

be on an antibiotic for life? ----

Definitely. Although for persistent infections an extended course of

high dose antibiotics is necessary. Lowering the dose or shortening

the prescribed course is extremely ill-advised because this will

create bacteria that are resistent to the antibiotic. Whenever an

antibiotic course is embarked on it is imperative to continue that

course for the duration. Generally response to antibiotic treatment

is seen by most patients after 48 hrs or so, but discontinuing the med

prematurely will bring back the infection back with a vengeance and

this time the bacteria will be resistent to the med.

It might be advisable to start a new course on a different antibiotic

and this time take the full (high end) dose for the longest timeline

specified in the package literature for physicians.

[Guest guest]

Hi we have a load of info in the links and files section at the home page.

On the left side of the screen. And at the data section we have Dr.'s names men

see and abreviations here is a link.

/database?method=reportRows & tb\

l=2

The best thing you can do is go there and read to learn as much as you can

about low T so you know if your Dr. is doing a good job.

I feel the first thing you need to do is have your Estradiol checked if high

this can make your prostate act up. You need a test like this.

http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sr012000.htm

If your levels end up high getting them down to between 10 to 30 can help you

with your problems a lot.

Phil

Hadley <agspecialties1@...> wrote:

Hello,

WOW !! I have never received so many emails in my life. I do appreciate the

thoughtfullness. This is a lot more complicated than I thougt, and you folks

throw abreviations around like industry buzz words. I have no idea what much of

it means.

First, I have no intention of having my prostate removed simply to avoid taking

anti-biotics. The doctors did try several different anti-biotics, but every time

I completed the program, I would get sick again. It is apparently very difficult

for the prostate gland to get rid of some infections. I was on 2 Cipros a day,

then down to one, and now I am on only 1/2 pill a day. The urologist said that

if I stay healthy for a couple of years this way, he will then cut it back to

1/2 every other day, and that will likely be for life.

Perhaps there is no correlation between prostate infection and using T shots for

most people. But my limited experience is that the symptoms of the sick prostate

were decreased remarkably when I started taking the T shots. My wife can tell

when I need a shot as I get really cranky and irritable too.

Much of the advice received is to get the actual numbersw from these tests, and

to become more knowledgeable about this so that I can take more control of my

own health. That makes good sense. I will get the history of these blood tests,

and will then see what all they have been testing me for. I know they do a test

bi-annually for prostate cancer, and that was just done last November. I was

concerned that taking T shots might make this PSA number go higher and they

would take me off the T shots. I feel so much better taking these shots that I

do not want to give it up, so getting things in balance by being more aware

surely must be the right path here.

Thanks for the DEA and government tip. The Barry Bonds syndrome. This also makes

sense and is why the doctors do not want to talk about it. I have noticed that I

have gained body mass. I am 6' 1 " tall and now weigh about 240 pounds. If I

lifted weights I would likely have no neck. I still doubt I could hit 70 HRs in

the Bigs though.

I will start the process of getting the test results and learning where I am at

now. Then I will submit these numbers and look forward to some comments from

some of you who are far more knowledgeable than I will ever be. I just want to

feel good and not risk my future health. Thanks again

Summers wrote:

Won't removal of the prostate " cure " you? --

Yikes, that would be like amputating a finger to cure an infected

cut. Not something you'd do unless gangrene and blood poisoning set

in. Radical prostectomy is only indicated in cases of prostate

cancer. Even with nerve sparing RA, side effects are varying degrees

of erectile dysfunction and/or incontinence, some temporary; some

permanent.

----Now I am just wondering out loud here, but isn't it a bad thing to

be on an antibiotic for life? ----

Definitely. Although for persistent infections an extended course of

high dose antibiotics is necessary. Lowering the dose or shortening

the prescribed course is extremely ill-advised because this will

create bacteria that are resistent to the antibiotic. Whenever an

antibiotic course is embarked on it is imperative to continue that

course for the duration. Generally response to antibiotic treatment

is seen by most patients after 48 hrs or so, but discontinuing the med

prematurely will bring back the infection back with a vengeance and

this time the bacteria will be resistent to the med.

It might be advisable to start a new course on a different antibiotic

and this time take the full (high end) dose for the longest timeline

specified in the package literature for physicians.