Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? If so, usually by how much? How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, especially if digital exam is negative? If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, what is likelihood PSA would come back higher? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 , Yes, PSA may rise a tad while on TRT (more so with a hx of BPH) but your PSA should have been checked BEFORE ever starting on the stuff! I assume your Doc did a DRE and PSA..think I remember that? If you want to be less worried, ask your Doc if he would relieve your mind and do a free PSA. I've got a couple of good articles to send your way. I just need to dig em out. Not sure why but, you seem anxious to do TRT but don't want to risk the side effects. Unfortunately...life is a risk. Just how much we're wiling to take is the question. A second though for you might be to see a homeopath and discuss tribulis, chrysin, INdole3/DIM and a few other enhancers as an alternative. Vickie In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? > > If so, usually by how much? > > How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, especially if digital exam is negative? > > If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, what is likelihood PSA would come back higher? > > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard practice). A recent study said recently that the rate of increase is far more important than the arbitrary cut off level of 4. A jump from .8 say to 2.5 is a real reason for concern. More so than an increase from say 3.8 to 4.2. ________________ I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. Terence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:28:54 +0000, you wrote: > >Thanks Dan > >Have read same about estradiol but when I ask endo, he poo poos the connection. Any good urologist could set him straight. Most of them are very aware of this now. Why do we patients have to keep educating our endos? > Are you using creme or something else. How long were on TRT before you took PSA that resulted in 1.9.1? Have you had subsequent PSA's done? > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard practice). He did do a digital rectal exam (you have to love those). Based on a clean rectal exam that value was not unexpected for my age. Suggested yearly PSA test. PSA can be influenced by anything that causes the prostate to swell or enlarge including age. Based on what I have read lately, it would seem that the amount of estrogen we have (primarily estradiol) is the cause of enlarged prostate problems. ________________ I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. Terence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:28:54 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks Dan > >Have read same about estradiol but when I ask endo, he poo poos the connection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 0861752 & dopt=Abstract and an interesting paper " http://bmc.ub.uni-potsdam.de/1742-4682-2-10/ ________________ I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. Terence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Vickie I've got a touch of hypochondria . I've got enough stress in my life right now that I don't want to find out I have a major health problem, especially one that was caused by my own decision to start TRT. Yes I want benefits but fearful of side effects (e.g. awaken indolent cancer, enlarge already enlarged prostate etc.) I am aware of conflicting schools of thought having to do with T and Estradiol connection with pprostate problems. That uuncertainty fuels the perception of risk. My PSA was >1 before starting and digital was negative. I do have BPH. T was 477. I got on T because my family practice said raising it would make me feel better not because I was having problems. Then, when I told my euro and checked with endo, they said 477 was OK for my age (52) and to stop TRT because of risk of further enlarging my prostate and of making cancer grow faster if present. Is it your understanding that if, for example, I was on T for 4 months and off for 2, that my PSA would be less likely to be elevated? Absolutely please send me homeopath info. thanks -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> , Yes, PSA may rise a tad while on TRT (more so with a hx of BPH) but your PSA should have been checked BEFORE ever starting on the stuff! I assume your Doc did a DRE and PSA..think I remember that? If you want to be less worried, ask your Doc if he would relieve your mind and do a free PSA. I've got a couple of good articles to send your way. I just need to dig em out. Not sure why but, you seem anxious to do TRT but don't want to risk the side effects. Unfortunately...life is a risk. Just how much we're wiling to take is the question. A second though for you might be to see a homeopath and discuss tribulis, chrysin, INdole3/DIM and a few other enhancers as an alternative. Vickie In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? > > If so, usually by how much? > > How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, especially if digital exam is negative? > > If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, what is likelihood PSA would come back higher? > > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Yep, Rate of rise is more useful. Keep in mind T replacement puts a wrench in some of that theory unless the rise is in a man who has been on T for quite some time. In the first year it is assumed to be an awakening of an idolent cancer. If a cancer is present, it surfaces pretty quick< within a couple of months on average. Due caution is the name of the game! In , retrogrouch@... wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard practice). > > A recent study said recently that the rate of increase is far more > important than the arbitrary cut off level of 4. A jump from .8 say > to 2.5 is a real reason for concern. More so than an increase from say > 3.8 to 4.2. > > ________________ > I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > Terence > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Mike, You had a recent PSA done, right? If it hasn't changed, it won't be altered by HRT...cuz you aren't on any right now! My concern is that if you say you feel pretty healthy, that 477 is just a number, not an indication. If what you worry about is a lesser libido than you'd like, try the L-Arginine and horney goat weed route first. Perhaps try chrysin. All three may be useful. My suggestion....find a homeopathic Physician in your area and have a sit down. Perhaps he/she can suggest something useful to curb your stressfull worrying too:>) Anybody ever mention stress is a precursor to illness? In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > Vickie > > I've got a touch of hypochondria . I've got enough stress in my life right now that I don't want to find out I have a major health problem, especially one that was caused by my own decision to start TRT. Yes I want benefits but fearful of side effects (e.g. awaken indolent cancer, enlarge already enlarged prostate etc.) I am aware of conflicting schools of thought having to do with T and Estradiol connection with pprostate problems. That uuncertainty fuels the perception of risk. > > My PSA was >1 before starting and digital was negative. I do have BPH. T was 477. I got on T because my family practice said raising it would make me feel better not because I was having problems. Then, when I told my euro and checked with endo, they said 477 was OK for my age (52) and to stop TRT because of risk of further enlarging my prostate and of making cancer grow faster if present. > > Is it your understanding that if, for example, I was on T for 4 months and off for 2, that my PSA would be less likely to be elevated? > > Absolutely please send me homeopath info. > > thanks > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> > > , > Yes, PSA may rise a tad while on TRT (more so with a hx of BPH) but > your PSA should have been checked BEFORE ever starting on the stuff! I > assume your Doc did a DRE and PSA..think I remember that? If you want > to be less worried, ask your Doc if he would relieve your mind and do > a free PSA. I've got a couple of good articles to send your way. I > just need to dig em out. > Not sure why but, you seem anxious to do TRT but don't want to risk > the side effects. Unfortunately...life is a risk. Just how much we're > wiling to take is the question. A second though for you might be to > see a homeopath and discuss tribulis, chrysin, INdole3/DIM and a few > other enhancers as an alternative. > Vickie > > In , hall.michael@ wrote: > > > > Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? > > > > If so, usually by how much? > > > > How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, > especially if digital exam is negative? > > > > If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, what > is likelihood PSA would come back higher? > > > > Thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Hi Vickie My last PSA was done in Feb of this year at which time it was less than 1.0. I had been on TRT for about 1 month at that point . I stopped TRT in mid-July. I go in Thurs for my 6 month, so I will have been off of T for about 2 months. Libido was darn good before and after am happy to say. Family practice's philosophy was if you can return your T level to where it was in your 20's why wouldn't you. Your right about the effect of stress on one's health. Definitely need to find a way to reduce it. Thanks you so much for taking the time to speak with me about my paranoia. -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> Mike, You had a recent PSA done, right? If it hasn't changed, it won't be altered by HRT...cuz you aren't on any right now! My concern is that if you say you feel pretty healthy, that 477 is just a number, not an indication. If what you worry about is a lesser libido than you'd like, try the L-Arginine and horney goat weed route first. Perhaps try chrysin. All three may be useful. My suggestion....find a homeopathic Physician in your area and have a sit down. Perhaps he/she can suggest something useful to curb your stressfull worrying too:>) Anybody ever mention stress is a precursor to illness? In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > Vickie > > I've got a touch of hypochondria . I've got enough stress in my life right now that I don't want to find out I have a major health problem, especially one that was caused by my own decision to start TRT. Yes I want benefits but fearful of side effects (e.g. awaken indolent cancer, enlarge already enlarged prostate etc.) I am aware of conflicting schools of thought having to do with T and Estradiol connection with pprostate problems. That uuncertainty fuels the perception of risk. > > My PSA was >1 before starting and digital was negative. I do have BPH. T was 477. I got on T because my family practice said raising it would make me feel better not because I was having problems. Then, when I told my euro and checked with endo, they said 477 was OK for my age (52) and to stop TRT because of risk of further enlarging my prostate and of making cancer grow faster if present. > > Is it your understanding that if, for example, I was on T for 4 months and off for 2, that my PSA would be less likely to be elevated? > > Absolutely please send me homeopath info. > > thanks > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> > > , > Yes, PSA may rise a tad while on TRT (more so with a hx of BPH) but > your PSA should have been checked BEFORE ever starting on the stuff! I > assume your Doc did a DRE and PSA..think I remember that? If you want > to be less worried, ask your Doc if he would relieve your mind and do > a free PSA. I've got a couple of good articles to send your way. I > just need to dig em out. > Not sure why but, you seem anxious to do TRT but don't want to risk > the side effects. Unfortunately...life is a risk. Just how much we're > wiling to take is the question. A second though for you might be to > see a homeopath and discuss tribulis, chrysin, INdole3/DIM and a few > other enhancers as an alternative. > Vickie > > In , hall.michael@ wrote: > > > > Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? > > > > If so, usually by how much? > > > > How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, > especially if digital exam is negative? > > > > If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, what > is likelihood PSA would come back higher? > > > > Thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Mike, I hope you find what it is you need. Family practice around here is...if it ain't broke, don't fix it! The oposite of our current government...they fix everything till it breaks..LOL! Vickie In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > > Hi Vickie > > My last PSA was done in Feb of this year at which time it was less than 1.0. I had been on TRT for about 1 month at that point . > > I stopped TRT in mid-July. > > I go in Thurs for my 6 month, so I will have been off of T for about 2 months. > > Libido was darn good before and after am happy to say. Family practice's philosophy was if you can return your T level to where it was in your 20's why wouldn't you. > > Your right about the effect of stress on one's health. Definitely need to find a way to reduce it. > > Thanks you so much for taking the time to speak with me about my paranoia. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> > Mike, > You had a recent PSA done, right? If it hasn't changed, it won't be > altered by HRT...cuz you aren't on any right now! My concern is that > if you say you feel pretty healthy, that 477 is just a number, not > an indication. If what you worry about is a lesser libido than you'd > like, try the L-Arginine and horney goat weed route first. Perhaps > try chrysin. All three may be useful. My suggestion....find a > homeopathic Physician in your area and have a sit down. Perhaps > he/she can suggest something useful to curb your stressfull worrying > too:>) Anybody ever mention stress is a precursor to illness? > > In , hall.michael@ wrote: > > > > Vickie > > > > I've got a touch of hypochondria . I've got enough stress in my > life right now that I don't want to find out I have a major health > problem, especially one that was caused by my own decision to start > TRT. Yes I want benefits but fearful of side effects (e.g. awaken > indolent cancer, enlarge already enlarged prostate etc.) I am aware > of conflicting schools of thought having to do with T and Estradiol > connection with pprostate problems. That uuncertainty fuels the > perception of risk. > > > > My PSA was >1 before starting and digital was negative. I do have > BPH. T was 477. I got on T because my family practice said raising > it would make me feel better not because I was having problems. > Then, when I told my euro and checked with endo, they said 477 was > OK for my age (52) and to stop TRT because of risk of further > enlarging my prostate and of making cancer grow faster if present. > > > > Is it your understanding that if, for example, I was on T for 4 > months and off for 2, that my PSA would be less likely to be > elevated? > > > > Absolutely please send me homeopath info. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: " Vickie " <plp40@> > > > > , > > Yes, PSA may rise a tad while on TRT (more so with a hx of BPH) > but > > your PSA should have been checked BEFORE ever starting on the > stuff! I > > assume your Doc did a DRE and PSA..think I remember that? If you > want > > to be less worried, ask your Doc if he would relieve your mind and > do > > a free PSA. I've got a couple of good articles to send your way. I > > just need to dig em out. > > Not sure why but, you seem anxious to do TRT but don't want to > risk > > the side effects. Unfortunately...life is a risk. Just how much > we're > > wiling to take is the question. A second though for you might be > to > > see a homeopath and discuss tribulis, chrysin, INdole3/DIM and a > few > > other enhancers as an alternative. > > Vickie > > > > In , hall.michael@ wrote: > > > > > > Is it true that TRT will raise PSA result? > > > > > > If so, usually by how much? > > > > > > How does the uro know how to interpret the a raised result, > > especially if digital exam is negative? > > > > > > If a person was on TRT for five months then off for 2-3 months, > what > > is likelihood PSA would come back higher? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 So if cancer surfaces as result of TRT, would it not have eventually surfaced anyway or would it have remained in an indolent state? -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> Yep, Rate of rise is more useful. Keep in mind T replacement puts a wrench in some of that theory unless the rise is in a man who has been on T for quite some time. In the first year it is assumed to be an awakening of an idolent cancer. If a cancer is present, it surfaces pretty quick< within a couple of months on average. Due caution is the name of the game! In , retrogrouch@... wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard practice). > > A recent study said recently that the rate of increase is far more > important than the arbitrary cut off level of 4. A jump from .8 say > to 2.5 is a real reason for concern. More so than an increase from say > 3.8 to 4.2. > > ________________ > I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > Terence > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Mike, You have it correct. If prostate cancer were detected, it's sooner (average 3 months to detection) than later and... because you already had cancer in the first palce. One thing to note about cancers (plural because testicular cancer is also a hormonal cancer. Mike....they are early and curable in every case I personally have heard about thus far. In that context, I consider it a blessing that my husband started T therapy. It not only surfaced an often deadly desease years before the recommended age to even begin testing, he can now put that risk behind him with relative comfort. Nothing is ever absolute. He's also back on T ONLY because his was an early cancer. Keep in mind Mike....most rises in PSA are NOT cancer. You already have a history of BPH. If you need comfort, ask for a FREE/PSA instead of / or in addition to a regular PSA. Now go run some worry off or donate some time to a charity...anything but remain focused on this subject for the rest of the week at least! Vickie In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > So if cancer surfaces as result of TRT, would it not have eventually surfaced anyway or would it have remained in an indolent state? > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> > Yep, > Rate of rise is more useful. Keep in mind T replacement puts a > wrench in some of that theory unless the rise is in a man who has > been on T for quite some time. In the first year it is assumed to be > an awakening of an idolent cancer. If a cancer is present, it > surfaces pretty quick< within a couple of months on average. Due > caution is the name of the game! > > In , retrogrouch@ wrote: > > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > > > > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro > said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard > practice). > > > > A recent study said recently that the rate of increase is far more > > important than the arbitrary cut off level of 4. A jump from .8 > say > > to 2.5 is a real reason for concern. More so than an increase from > say > > 3.8 to 4.2. > > > > ________________ > > I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > > Terence > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Your husband is a lucky man to be married to such an awesome person! -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> Mike, You have it correct. If prostate cancer were detected, it's sooner (average 3 months to detection) than later and... because you already had cancer in the first palce. One thing to note about cancers (plural because testicular cancer is also a hormonal cancer. Mike....they are early and curable in every case I personally have heard about thus far. In that context, I consider it a blessing that my husband started T therapy. It not only surfaced an often deadly desease years before the recommended age to even begin testing, he can now put that risk behind him with relative comfort. Nothing is ever absolute. He's also back on T ONLY because his was an early cancer. Keep in mind Mike....most rises in PSA are NOT cancer. You already have a history of BPH. If you need comfort, ask for a FREE/PSA instead of / or in addition to a regular PSA. Now go run some worry off or donate some time to a charity...anything but remain focused on this subject for the rest of the week at least! Vickie In , hall.michael@... wrote: > > So if cancer surfaces as result of TRT, would it not have eventually surfaced anyway or would it have remained in an indolent state? > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Vickie " <plp40@...> > Yep, > Rate of rise is more useful. Keep in mind T replacement puts a > wrench in some of that theory unless the rise is in a man who has > been on T for quite some time. In the first year it is assumed to be > an awakening of an idolent cancer. If a cancer is present, it > surfaces pretty quick< within a couple of months on average. Due > caution is the name of the game! > > In , retrogrouch@ wrote: > > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > > > > >Mine went from <1 to 1.9. I am currently 48 years old. My uro > said that he was not too concerned until it got to over 4 (standard > practice). > > > > A recent study said recently that the rate of increase is far more > > important than the arbitrary cut off level of 4. A jump from .8 > say > > to 2.5 is a real reason for concern. More so than an increase from > say > > 3.8 to 4.2. > > > > ________________ > > I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > > Terence > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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