Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I need more info where are you located are you in the UK if so not much you do seeing the Dr's there unless you find a private Dr. First your on a T that does not work all the great here in the US we don't us it. Doing shots this big every other week drives up your Estradiol Dr.'s in the UK will not even test this. This is why your Free T is low it's bound up. As for your Testis all you need to keep them working is HCG this acts like the message your Pituitary sends to your testis that tell them to make Testosterone it called LH and FSH. Some if the guys in the UK have ordered Indolplex/DIM from this link it takes about 4 weeks to get to you. Taking one tablet at dinner time will lower your Estradiol levels. First thing you will see is your night time and morning wood start working. High Estradiol undoes all the good the Testosterone does and kills your penis. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html Also get on some Zinc/Copper this helps and it's good for your testis. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html Can you get copys of all your test and post them with the units and ranges. I don't feel you need to be suffering like this. " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume should be 20ml. Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 If it's of any concequence, you're definately not alone. Married 14 years, can't have kids. My doctor has primary hypogonadism like me and can't have kids either. I've read that about 5 million men in this country suffer from hypogonadism in some form. I don't know out of that percentage how many men can't have kids but I wouldn't be surprised if that figure was 1 in 5. Symptoms really suck but not all men with low T suffer symptoms. Most of us have had a rough go of it. For me, my success has its limits and is not perfect. We just do the best we can with the cards we've been dealt. " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume should be 20ml. Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Thank you, no I'm from Australia. My endo wouldn't prescribe Arimidex because the guideline here is, it is only prescribed to breast cancer patients. He initially wanted to prescribe me gel, but it is too expensive; shots are 1/3 the price. I will talk to him about HCG, and I think he may be open minded regarding doing the 250 weekly -- he is more symptom oriented; any other doctor here wouldn't prescribe T if my natural total T was in the upper 1/3 of the range. > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see > if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume > should be 20ml. > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I'll give you the results next time I visit my dr--that's next year. Now, he has tested my E2 in the past, so he will test it in the future anyway. The reason I went to see him was he had the first available appointment; later I found out, f2m transsexuals would also be his patients to get whatever is needed to get them thru. He's quite good actually, easy to talk to, he even ordered DHT tests that no other GP I've seen would know what it was. Another option is this female endo who charges more and takes longer time for me to get an appointment; but as for now, I wouldn't even move to another city just because I might not find another endo like him. Maybe when I can afford it, I'll switch shots to gel. Now, free T is determined by SHBG and Albumin right? But how do I lower them to increase my free T? What exactly does Indolplex do? If it's only a dietary supplement, what effects does it have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I'm in the same boat your in. I'm also in my early 20's was born with primary hypogonadism. My testicles have never been big. I too can never have kids. I'm in college and I'm on testim. Have been on TRT going on 3 months, have only noticed slightly deepened voice better erections. I look and get treated 15 and 16 ish. I also feel like crap sometimes. I'm hanging in there and although I do get to feeling down sometimes I try to make the best out of my situation . Just letting u know your not in this alone. I'm taking it 1 day at a time looking forward to looking closer to my age. > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see > if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume > should be 20ml. > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I too have wrestled with the " why me " issue. The same thoughts you've had -- what I am losing. The whole issue of shrinking testicles, our manhood, everything, it is very complex and it is tough to deal with. I also know this. I lost height, had to have my son open a jar of peanut butter, had night sweat so bad that I had to change the bed, lost my body hair and could skip shaving. Not to mention the emotional issues, I am not so sure depression is as good of a description as pure emotional responses that were unlike me. I've been on testosterone replacement for over a year. Life is not perfect but at least I know that my body is getting what it needs. Be patient. There are guys on here with lots of experience and they can help you much more than I can. There are protocols to protect your sperm making ability and even to keep your testicles functioning. While I did not take this route it was more a factor of age rather than desire. It takes a while for our bodies to adjust to this treatment and so the healing progress sometimes disappoints us but you are healing and you'll one day feel better. My doctor told me that " you'll actually feel good enough to realize that you were really sick. " I now believe him because I am finally feeling good enough to know that I was (and really still am) pretty sick. Take care, be patient with yourself and hopefully, those who are more knowledgeable will be contributing soon with suggestions to your doctor. I do know this. Do not do TRT for very long without having the questions you have answered. You are young and you want to preserve your ability to have children. > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see > if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume > should be 20ml. > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Thank you and the " why me " actually leads to physical harm. I bitch slap myself so hard, that I could do deaf, and even my hands hurt from slapping my face. Why do I do it? Cos I feel i deserve it, I feel, since I'm not physically whole anyway, I'm then just a piece of shit, why don't I just destroy myself--it seems it is the only destiny I deserve. I don't deserve any respect, don't deserve any care, cos I was born with mutated genes, HA! A counsellor would just refer me to a psychiatrist, and a psychiatrist will say I need to be hospitalized, and he would not realize all those years of being a sub-male was the greatest contributing factor! > > > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the > range; free T level is low however. > > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and > in 3 months time, see > > if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look > and sound 15 16ish. My penis > > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my > natural testicle sizes are > > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard > maybe the normal volume > > should be 20ml. > > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a > slightly deepened voice, hairier > > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other > guys virilize and grow into > > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on > T; and that my balls > > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to > produce all the T they > > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment > clearly shows I did suffer > > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. > > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not > even married yet. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I am on a " why me " scenario too, infact I have become even more depressed as no doctor is helping. I am seeing a doctor who is a urologist/andrologist, hopefully I should get the correct hormone and physical examinations I need. My testicles are reall small, 6ml and my right one being 2ml...now this is too small... My penis is 2 inches soft and the next problem is I don't know my full penis size, as I have NEVER had a REAL PROPER erection. I only reach a weak, pointing down, semi erection, it lasts a few seconds. At this point it is 4.5 inches. This is it. My legs and arms are long, trunk is small. I have 2% functional sperms. But now I am going to a foreign country, after my visit with the andrologist/urologist doctor. I am going to get full tests, etc etc etc in the foreign country, as the UK NHS will not allow me to do what I need to get done. My T is 498 and my E2 is in the 30's (both in American units)... I am going to go for, T IM injections (I will discuss on the SQ injections with the dr too in the foreign country). I am also going to suppress my E2 to get it near 20. I also going to take HGH in order to grow my trunk, after correcting my T so it is DOUBLE from what it is. But yea, I'm quite handsome, or very handsome, thing is I don't know. I am lost, confused and I do get many women staring etc, especially girls in school, but I am too depressed, and see myself as ugly. I have never dated, single, complete virgin, never kissed. etc etc..so depressed and lonely, that I reached a stage of, where I was like a " machine. " I shut down any human emotions I had, and literally lived just to live. I am 19, and god willing, I am not giving up. We NEED TO HELP ONE ANOTHER!!!! Stand by each other, through this group. I am sure you have met intolerant and narrow minded doctors, have had days when you are alone, contemplating on what you would be doing NOW if you was NORMAL. I cry a lot, I don't know the feeling of a woman's affection and I have a huge crush on one girl...it hurts...xxxx, we need to help one another, like soldiers!! --- d_sern <d_sern@...> wrote: > I too have wrestled with the " why me " issue. The > same thoughts > you've had -- what I am losing. The whole issue of > shrinking > testicles, our manhood, everything, it is very > complex and it is > tough to deal with. > > I also know this. I lost height, had to have my son > open a jar of > peanut butter, had night sweat so bad that I had to > change the bed, > lost my body hair and could skip shaving. Not to > mention the > emotional issues, I am not so sure depression is as > good of a > description as pure emotional responses that were > unlike me. > > I've been on testosterone replacement for over a > year. Life is not > perfect but at least I know that my body is getting > what it needs. > Be patient. There are guys on here with lots of > experience and they > can help you much more than I can. There are > protocols to protect > your sperm making ability and even to keep your > testicles > functioning. While I did not take this route it was > more a factor of > age rather than desire. > > It takes a while for our bodies to adjust to this > treatment and so > the healing progress sometimes disappoints us but > you are healing and > you'll one day feel better. My doctor told me that > " you'll actually > feel good enough to realize that you were really > sick. " I now > believe him because I am finally feeling good enough > to know that I > was (and really still am) pretty sick. > > Take care, be patient with yourself and hopefully, > those who are more > knowledgeable will be contributing soon with > suggestions to your > doctor. I do know this. Do not do TRT for very > long without having > the questions you have answered. You are young and > you want to > preserve your ability to have children. > > > > > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top > 1/3 of the > range; free T level is low however. > > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon > 250/bi-weekly; and > in 3 months time, see > > if I would have gone through significant > virilization. Cos, I look > and sound 15 16ish. My penis > > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below > average, my > natural testicle sizes are > > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume > 12ml, I heard > maybe the normal volume > > should be 20ml. > > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have > noticed a > slightly deepened voice, hairier > > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > > And because of all these, I now feel crap. > Because, while other > guys virilize and grow into > > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not > expensive though) on > T; and that my balls > > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body > is sufficient to > produce all the T they > > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs > of the treatment > clearly shows I did suffer > > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes > me feel crap. > > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all > these?! > > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my > life, and I'm not > even married yet. > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Sent from - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Your right, I feel like that too. I have seen myself as an infected lump of meat, NOT WORTHY of being presevered. You know, like shower gel, facial scrub, face wash, aftershave, perfume, body cream, pampering etc, looking fab in clothes to impress women. I really see is it worth it. I have gone so depressed, I have hated humanity, cos I feel no one loves me....it hurts.. --- " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: > Thank you > and the " why me " actually leads to physical harm. > I bitch slap myself so hard, that I could do deaf, > and even my hands hurt from slapping my > face. > Why do I do it? Cos I feel i deserve it, I feel, > since I'm not physically whole anyway, I'm then > just a piece of shit, why don't I just destroy > myself--it seems it is the only destiny I > deserve. > I don't deserve any respect, don't deserve any care, > cos I was born with mutated genes, > HA! > A counsellor would just refer me to a psychiatrist, > and a psychiatrist will say I need to be > hospitalized, and he would not realize all those > years of being a sub-male was the > greatest contributing factor! > > > > > > > > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the > top 1/3 of the > > range; free T level is low however. > > > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon > 250/bi-weekly; and > > in 3 months time, see > > > if I would have gone through significant > virilization. Cos, I look > > and sound 15 16ish. My penis > > > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's > below average, my > > natural testicle sizes are > > > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume > 12ml, I heard > > maybe the normal volume > > > should be 20ml. > > > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now > have noticed a > > slightly deepened voice, hairier > > > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > > > And because of all these, I now feel crap. > Because, while other > > guys virilize and grow into > > > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not > expensive though) on > > T; and that my balls > > > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own > body is sufficient to > > produce all the T they > > > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial > signs of the treatment > > clearly shows I did suffer > > > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes > me feel crap. > > > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all > these?! > > > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my > life, and I'm not > > even married yet. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Sent from - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 not to forget HCG, i need that too. But im so concerned why are my testicles so small? I did have hernia and orchidopexy on right side, but my left is 6ml, right is 2ml! the left one is UNDER HALF THE SIZE of what it should be. I really have thought to myself sometimes, with all my problems, should I date? I think I probably wont, if I remain with all my problems, and i feel so weird, never experiencing a real erection. i see myself not worthy to live, and i just hate women, i dont know, women look at me when i am all pretty, then i think, **** it, i am infected, i will be rejected once my penis, ball size is found out and my erection probs. i hear women n stories mocking men, then i think, dam, they dont like me me me, they like for my looks and then will reject me for my manhood that is not even functioning, so i get in a crazy no emotion state, and isolate myself. i av no friends, i tlk to no one, girls look at me, but dam, i cant tlk, dont want to, as i will be rejected. right now im only focused on cure.......we need to help one another, hugz.........never give up!!! --- Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: > If it's of any concequence, you're definately not > alone. Married 14 years, can't have kids. My doctor > has primary hypogonadism like me and can't have kids > either. I've read that about 5 million men in this > country suffer from hypogonadism in some form. I > don't know out of that percentage how many men can't > have kids but I wouldn't be surprised if that figure > was 1 in 5. > > Symptoms really suck but not all men with low T > suffer symptoms. Most of us have had a rough go of > it. For me, my success has its limits and is not > perfect. > > We just do the best we can with the cards we've > been dealt. > > " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in > the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low > however. > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon > 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see > if I would have gone through significant > virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My > penis > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below > average, my natural testicle sizes are > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume > 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume > should be 20ml. > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have > noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, > while other guys virilize and grow into > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not > expensive though) on T; and that my balls > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body > is sufficient to produce all the T they > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of > the treatment clearly shows I did suffer > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me > feel crap. > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, > and I'm not even married yet. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Search. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Well then try ordering this it's an OTC supplement called Indolplex/DIM it works by converting bad E's onto good ones so the live can wash them out. Get it from this link in the UK it takes about 4 weeks to come in the mail works very good you need to keep E2 Estradiol down. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html Start by taking one tablet at dinner time and in about 2 weeks you should have some dam strong night time and morning wood this tells you your E2 is at the best level keep taking this but if your wood stops. Then this means your going down to low so stop the DIM until the wood comes back then go back on it that day but cut the tab in half. You will not feel like crap anymore. " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: Thank you, no I'm from Australia. My endo wouldn't prescribe Arimidex because the guideline here is, it is only prescribed to breast cancer patients. He initially wanted to prescribe me gel, but it is too expensive; shots are 1/3 the price. I will talk to him about HCG, and I think he may be open minded regarding doing the 250 weekly -- he is more symptom oriented; any other doctor here wouldn't prescribe T if my natural total T was in the upper 1/3 of the range. > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top 1/3 of the range; free T level is low however. > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon 250/bi-weekly; and in 3 months time, see > if I would have gone through significant virilization. Cos, I look and sound 15 16ish. My penis > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below average, my natural testicle sizes are > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume 12ml, I heard maybe the normal volume > should be 20ml. > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have noticed a slightly deepened voice, hairier > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > And because of all these, I now feel crap. Because, while other guys virilize and grow into > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not expensive though) on T; and that my balls > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body is sufficient to produce all the T they > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs of the treatment clearly shows I did suffer > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes me feel crap. > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all these?! > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my life, and I'm not even married yet. > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 You need to get a karyotype and check if you have XXY. But I know in UK, it doesn't help. At least, you are in the EU, and you can go to other EU countries fairly easily for treatment. All our physical impairments, we are not even liable for them; why blame us! I even think about suicide from time to time; because if no one thinks I should still live on planet earth, then I should just terminate my own life. > > > > > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top > > 1/3 of the > > range; free T level is low however. > > > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon > > 250/bi-weekly; and > > in 3 months time, see > > > if I would have gone through significant > > virilization. Cos, I look > > and sound 15 16ish. My penis > > > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below > > average, my > > natural testicle sizes are > > > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume > > 12ml, I heard > > maybe the normal volume > > > should be 20ml. > > > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have > > noticed a > > slightly deepened voice, hairier > > > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > > > And because of all these, I now feel crap. > > Because, while other > > guys virilize and grow into > > > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not > > expensive though) on > > T; and that my balls > > > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body > > is sufficient to > > produce all the T they > > > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs > > of the treatment > > clearly shows I did suffer > > > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes > > me feel crap. > > > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all > > these?! > > > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my > > life, and I'm not > > even married yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Here is a link about DIM I find a lot of the DIM's sold in Vit. stores is junk it gets killed in your stomach yet some guys said they took it with Oil and this helped it get past the stomach. Your Dr. is a keeper hold on to him. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm This link takes you to a lot of links. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: I'll give you the results next time I visit my dr--that's next year. Now, he has tested my E2 in the past, so he will test it in the future anyway. The reason I went to see him was he had the first available appointment; later I found out, f2m transsexuals would also be his patients to get whatever is needed to get them thru. He's quite good actually, easy to talk to, he even ordered DHT tests that no other GP I've seen would know what it was. Another option is this female endo who charges more and takes longer time for me to get an appointment; but as for now, I wouldn't even move to another city just because I might not find another endo like him. Maybe when I can afford it, I'll switch shots to gel. Now, free T is determined by SHBG and Albumin right? But how do I lower them to increase my free T? What exactly does Indolplex do? If it's only a dietary supplement, what effects does it have? Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 I think we all at one time or an other think about suicide just tell your self when you feel this bad you have a right to feel like this and also tell your self not to act on this tomorrow is a better day. After all a very high % of people that try this end up messing it up and then are worse off then they were before they tried it. One guy shot him self in the head and lived. " patrick.oyoung " <patrick.oyoung@...> wrote: You need to get a karyotype and check if you have XXY. But I know in UK, it doesn't help. At least, you are in the EU, and you can go to other EU countries fairly easily for treatment. All our physical impairments, we are not even liable for them; why blame us! I even think about suicide from time to time; because if no one thinks I should still live on planet earth, then I should just terminate my own life. > > > > > > I'm in my early 20s, my base T level is in the top > > 1/3 of the > > range; free T level is low however. > > > My endo decided to put me on a trial of sustanon > > 250/bi-weekly; and > > in 3 months time, see > > > if I would have gone through significant > > virilization. Cos, I look > > and sound 15 16ish. My penis > > > is 12cm long and 10.5cm thick erect, that's below > > average, my > > natural testicle sizes are > > > around 9cm3 (normal size 15-25); prostate volume > > 12ml, I heard > > maybe the normal volume > > > should be 20ml. > > > Anyway, a few days into the treatment, I now have > > noticed a > > slightly deepened voice, hairier > > > right leg. Yes my testes have shrunk. > > > And because of all these, I now feel crap. > > Because, while other > > guys virilize and grow into > > > healthy normal men, I have to spend money (not > > expensive though) on > > T; and that my balls > > > will shrink to sultanas. When other men's own body > > is sufficient to > > produce all the T they > > > need, I need extra T. Moreover, the initial signs > > of the treatment > > clearly shows I did suffer > > > from insufficient T in my body; which just makes > > me feel crap. > > > I ask, WHY ME?! Why do I have to suffer all > > these?! > > > And I'm going to be sterile for the rest of my > > life, and I'm not > > even married yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail. > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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