Re: On T and no libido - why?

[Guest guest]

Cam,

I have been on the ARIMIDEX for a couple of weeks and what a difference! I

am 40 and have been trying IM injections for six months. I was good at the

start, then the dose was lowered. Then I got worse. Now I have my dose back up

to 100mg per week and .25mg ever 2 or 3 days and my libido is back, not

startling, but back. For instance, I had erections throughout the night last

night

and slept well.

My T dose is yet to be tested for the last couple of weeks. I will be

getting it soon.

My advise is to get your doctor a copy of the articles at the site

_www.allthingsmale.com_ (http://www.allthingsmale.com) . I did this and got

lucky.

Otherwise look for someone else.

I found that I felt very bad until I got the Arimidex. I felt it the day I

took to and thereafter for a couple of days. My injection days are not as bad

as the use to be. I would get a rush that would leave me very hot and foggy

in the head. It is not as bad these days.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Hi J and welcome,

Yes because you are on TRT and your levels are so low for a 100mg. shot every

week get some Indolplex/DIM here is a link to the one I had good success with.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Take one tablet at dinner and in about 2 weeks or less your morning wood

should come back this means you in what I call the Zone. Keep taking it but if

wood stops for me it means you went to low. So before I get out of bed I check

to see if I can get it up if it takes a long time or I can't get it up I stop

the Indolplex/DIM until wood comes back that day I go back on it but cut the

tablet in half. I use this as a gauge to not go to low and it works great. I

keep doing this until I find the right dose. I did good for a long time on one

half a tablet.

Phil

" J. Cameron " <camdavis@...> wrote:

I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

such as Indolplex? Thanks.

---------------------------------

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

I went to my endo -- he did do a test for Estradiol, but he was not

familiar with using Armidex if such level is high. He also was not

familiar with HGC (?) except when you are trying to get a hypoG man

to be able to have children.

I'm on 10 grams of Androgel daily and not getting out of the 200s/

low 300's -- and having trouble with libido -- I have " wood " in the

a.m. and I'm able to have sex, but not usually more than one orgasm

per time -- and notice a big difference in erectile quality when

taking Cialis, but don't want to rely on that all of the time.

What are symptoms of high E2 levels ?

What is the OTC supplement you can take to counter this ? What is

it designed for " normally " ?

>

> Cam,

>

> I have been on the ARIMIDEX for a couple of weeks and what a

difference! I

> am 40 and have been trying IM injections for six months. I was

good at the

> start, then the dose was lowered. Then I got worse. Now I have my

dose back up

> to 100mg per week and .25mg ever 2 or 3 days and my libido is

back, not

> startling, but back. For instance, I had erections throughout the

night last night

> and slept well.

>

> My T dose is yet to be tested for the last couple of weeks. I will

be

> getting it soon.

>

> My advise is to get your doctor a copy of the articles at the site

> _www.allthingsmale.com_ (http://www.allthingsmale.com) . I did

this and got lucky.

> Otherwise look for someone else.

>

> I found that I felt very bad until I got the Arimidex. I felt it

the day I

> took to and thereafter for a couple of days. My injection days are

not as bad

> as the use to be. I would get a rush that would leave me very hot

and foggy

> in the head. It is not as bad these days.

>

> Louis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi i get confused by term libido

when people say they have no libido does this mean not noly do they have the

erection issues but also dont find sex or there partner or thought of partner

attractive

ie is it normal for me to fancy women and go wow i like to have sex with that in

my head but physically cant manage it,is that a labido issue or something else??

regards paul

On T and no libido - why?

I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

such as Indolplex? Thanks.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Some men don't do well on gels do you have a thyroid problem some men if they do

have a problem with thick skin and the gels don't get though. HCG show him this

link.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Show him this for Arimidex start at 1/4 of a one mg. pill every 3 days if your

levels are high over 35 to 40. Most men don't get wood with high E2 but because

your T levels are so low your ratio must be good that your E to T ratio.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

Phil

jonfleetmac <jonfleetmac@...> wrote:

I went to my endo -- he did do a test for Estradiol, but he was not

familiar with using Armidex if such level is high. He also was not

familiar with HGC (?) except when you are trying to get a hypoG man

to be able to have children.

I'm on 10 grams of Androgel daily and not getting out of the 200s/

low 300's -- and having trouble with libido -- I have " wood " in the

a.m. and I'm able to have sex, but not usually more than one orgasm

per time -- and notice a big difference in erectile quality when

taking Cialis, but don't want to rely on that all of the time.

What are symptoms of high E2 levels ?

What is the OTC supplement you can take to counter this ? What is

it designed for " normally " ?

>

> Cam,

>

> I have been on the ARIMIDEX for a couple of weeks and what a

difference! I

> am 40 and have been trying IM injections for six months. I was

good at the

> start, then the dose was lowered. Then I got worse. Now I have my

dose back up

> to 100mg per week and .25mg ever 2 or 3 days and my libido is

back, not

> startling, but back. For instance, I had erections throughout the

night last night

> and slept well.

>

> My T dose is yet to be tested for the last couple of weeks. I will

be

> getting it soon.

>

> My advise is to get your doctor a copy of the articles at the site

> _www.allthingsmale.com_ (http://www.allthingsmale.com) . I did

this and got lucky.

> Otherwise look for someone else.

>

> I found that I felt very bad until I got the Arimidex. I felt it

the day I

> took to and thereafter for a couple of days. My injection days are

not as bad

> as the use to be. I would get a rush that would leave me very hot

and foggy

> in the head. It is not as bad these days.

>

> Louis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you think about it or feel like having it and so on it's Libido. Low Libido

you don't think or feel like it but still can have sex.

Phil

paul wey <promachief@...> wrote:

hi i get confused by term libido

when people say they have no libido does this mean not noly do they have the

erection issues but also dont find sex or there partner or thought of partner

attractive

ie is it normal for me to fancy women and go wow i like to have sex with that in

my head but physically cant manage it,is that a labido issue or something else??

regards paul

On T and no libido - why?

I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

such as Indolplex? Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

so why is that??

surely if you can think about it but can do it then that too should be low

libidio?

so my labido is fine?

though in point of fact yes part of me is saying i want it,but in reality i cant

stand the thought of sex or relatioships thogh i love porn and masterbation

how on earth can i say what it is though,i may say thats a nice girl and weant

sex i may come home sometimesd be able to maseterrbsate other times not as it

depends how my eections are but i dont have morning wood and i dont get erect on

seeingf the girl or porn except in very rare circumstance

all this is at odds with being low t,low lh and loew fsh no wonder the docs cant

work me out i am a mix of contrradictions,so many things add up to hypoganadism

ofr andropauese then somethin else does not

is it perhaps the medical fraternity look at too many thing as blak or white?

ie i personally believe its a low labid i have i have trouble with girls and

then being erect and being able to perform,i dont get the normal male responses.

yet some guys on here despite being hypogonad in sme cases from an early age

have got relatiosnships and indeed kids so how can they say there labido is

low,they do once in a while may be manage it,and surely the ones low labido

laterr in life still fancy there partner its just they cant perform

its odd i dont knoe who i am most of the time

On T and no libido - why?

I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

such as Indolplex? Thanks.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .

[Guest guest]

Hello Promachief,

I can say that some of the contradictions you are feeling are not that

strange. I am 40 and primary hypo.

There were time in the past for myself that I felt very attracted to other

women and less so to my wife. We would have sex once a week on average. I

wanted more but had no great physical burning in my groin to have sex...hard to

understand. She was not as interested and maybe that played a part in my

`desire for her`. We had three very young kids and life was very busy.

I just goes to show that my state of mind has changed my desires. Yours too

must function in somewhat the same way.

When I was real low on T I had no libido. It has since come back to some

degree with the erotic dreams once and a while. No wet dreams though!

These days I find my wife quite sexy and I feel better about us. This is due

to the T getting up there and the fact that she truly understands that I

have a condition that changes my mood. I do not fantasize about other women as

much but if I do my taste has changed a bit. Yes, It is strange how things like

are dependent on mood.

There was a time when I had ED when I was younger and it was tough to get

through. There was alot of psychology probably involved but interestingly enough

I think it was related to not being able to piss when other people were

around. I have had this for a while but lately it is not such an issue. I think

it is related to the low T. Hmmm!

Louis

[Guest guest]

Hi,

TRT will help your attitude toward sex different. When a dress blows

up, your head may now snap around and you can feel it down below.

If you erections have been bad before TRT then you may have gradual ED

creeping up on you like most men. Many things including stress can

slow your erection performance.

Age related ED is when the pills no longer have a benefit. The pills

can improve the nerve performance until the nerves are so far gone it

can't help. Trimix injection therapy can help those with diabetes and

age related ED.

Your attitude toward sex mey be great but when no erections happen you

can have E2 problems from what I have heard here. A urologist will

have to be changed if the one you have will not help you get the right

tests.

There is a chance your uro may have attitudes about hormone therapy

being only testosterone because the pharmaceutical reps say thats the

way it is. Formal training on hormones is rare in urologists.

ernestnolan

>

> hi i get confused by term libido

>

> when people say they have no libido does this mean not noly do they

have the erection issues but also dont find sex or there partner or

thought of partner attractive

>

> ie is it normal for me to fancy women and go wow i like to have sex

with that in my head but physically cant manage it,is that a labido

issue or something else??

>

> regards paul

>

>

> On T and no libido - why?

>

> I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

> libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

> tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

> pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

> after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

> everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

> is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

> level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

> doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

> like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

> such as Indolplex? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Psychology does make a big difference in our response to various types

of stimulation.

It is easy to become jaded watching porn and the wife not having the

same body structure, beauty or interests. She can also feel rejected

if she is aware you watch porn. If you masturbate and take the edge of

your sex drive she may have a hard time directly or indirectly

breaking into your sexual thought processes.

It is tough to keep our heads on straight and let our wives be in

charge of all erections because we want it that way. She expects it

and we make changes in our heads which can damage relationships as

well as our long term happiness.

This might be more related to our honesty and integrity than our

homrone levels.

Hope I didn't tick anyone off.

ernestnolan

>

> Hello Promachief,

>

> I can say that some of the contradictions you are feeling are not that

> strange. I am 40 and primary hypo.

>

> There were time in the past for myself that I felt very attracted to

other

> women and less so to my wife. We would have sex once a week on

average. I

> wanted more but had no great physical burning in my groin to have

sex...hard to

> understand. She was not as interested and maybe that played a part

in my

> `desire for her`. We had three very young kids and life was very busy.

>

> I just goes to show that my state of mind has changed my desires.

Yours too

> must function in somewhat the same way.

>

> When I was real low on T I had no libido. It has since come back to

some

> degree with the erotic dreams once and a while. No wet dreams though!

>

> These days I find my wife quite sexy and I feel better about us.

This is due

> to the T getting up there and the fact that she truly understands

that I

> have a condition that changes my mood. I do not fantasize about

other women as

> much but if I do my taste has changed a bit. Yes, It is strange how

things like

> are dependent on mood.

>

> There was a time when I had ED when I was younger and it was tough

to get

> through. There was alot of psychology probably involved but

interestingly enough

> I think it was related to not being able to piss when other people

were

> around. I have had this for a while but lately it is not such an

issue. I think

> it is related to the low T. Hmmm!

>

>

>

> Louis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i dont have a wife or gf and dont want one

i use porn always have but dont get and never have had erections on there own

from this,i have to stimulate mysefl and even then i dont tihnk i can say i have

had many full erestions,they never seem to be strong ,and any way what i was

saaying is i see girls in street my head says wow i want to fuck them,even

though my body never has been able to,and not only that i dont really want to

,its just part of me saying i do,this part ofd me finding women attractive but

not being able to do anytihng about it affects me and i really wish i had no

interest in porn/sex/women at all.

also the porn i like is actually all sorts i dont like super model looking women

i ,like ones with hair arms/hair bodies/fat/old [il ike 70/80 yr old women as

well as younger wommen] in fact my tastes are very very wide in age and types

which means if i leave the house,which i dont very often i see in course of a

jounreyt 100 women around i love and want each one,regardless of age,my head is

bombarded with these thoughts and i get home and have to masterbate[if possible

as its not always possilbe] women u have been with i have neverr been able to

perform never organsed inside a woman and only orgasmed once with a woman

touching me.

i never have had wet dreams or morning wood i only heard of morning wood a few

months ago on here,but my dad is 75 and has never heard of it or had it,i

finally for fist time spoke to hime about sexual stuff never have before.

he saw my granddad after he died and said to me grandad had small penis and

undescended testicles as well,so clearly did not affect him as it does me so yes

i know as well as physical and hormonal issues i have phycosexual and indeed

phycosocial issues as well.

maintaining erections and indeed getting a real hard one is very difficult at

times and till i was 19 thought peeing and wanking were same tthing i thought

men peeed inside women ti get them prregnant.

the porn has not affected my views on woman i an very pro equal rights for any

color race relgion or sex and in fact see the media as biggest portrayers of

male and female exploitation of what i shows as good looking people well my porn

involves those some consider untattractive ie larger older people .

mosat holywood films/music and magaizines i feel protray both men and women

incorreclty wheras porn i can get any sub type.

also not into hard core stuff i prefer just photo sets of women stripping off

from fully clothes to underwaer then naked shots.

porn actually helps a lot ofd guys who dont have secxual contact or are not able

to perform as do prositutes privide company for guys with sexual problems

sometimes.

we dont all have wives and girlfriends or even want such .

regards paul

Re: On T and no libido - why?

Hi,

Psychology does make a big difference in our response to various types

of stimulation.

It is easy to become jaded watching porn and the wife not having the

same body structure, beauty or interests. She can also feel rejected

if she is aware you watch porn. If you masturbate and take the edge of

your sex drive she may have a hard time directly or indirectly

breaking into your sexual thought processes.

It is tough to keep our heads on straight and let our wives be in

charge of all erections because we want it that way. She expects it

and we make changes in our heads which can damage relationships as

well as our long term happiness.

This might be more related to our honesty and integrity than our

homrone levels.

Hope I didn't tick anyone off.

ernestnolan

>

> Hello Promachief,

>

> I can say that some of the contradictions you are feeling are not that

> strange. I am 40 and primary hypo.

>

> There were time in the past for myself that I felt very attracted to

other

> women and less so to my wife. We would have sex once a week on

average. I

> wanted more but had no great physical burning in my groin to have

sex...hard to

> understand. She was not as interested and maybe that played a part

in my

> `desire for her`. We had three very young kids and life was very busy.

>

> I just goes to show that my state of mind has changed my desires.

Yours too

> must function in somewhat the same way.

>

> When I was real low on T I had no libido. It has since come back to

some

> degree with the erotic dreams once and a while. No wet dreams though!

>

> These days I find my wife quite sexy and I feel better about us.

This is due

> to the T getting up there and the fact that she truly understands

that I

> have a condition that changes my mood. I do not fantasize about

other women as

> much but if I do my taste has changed a bit. Yes, It is strange how

things like

> are dependent on mood.

>

> There was a time when I had ED when I was younger and it was tough

to get

> through. There was alot of psychology probably involved but

interestingly enough

> I think it was related to not being able to piss when other people

were

> around. I have had this for a while but lately it is not such an

issue. I think

> it is related to the low T. Hmmm!

>

>

>

> Louis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i am not on trt we dont have any good endos in my locality on our NHS in uk

the thing is i dont want any labido and if someone can advise hoe i get rid of

any interest in sex and women then my life will be easier.

i dont look after myself and cant cope with most things the last thing i need is

to add sex into the picture,yes i love looking at women or pictures but i really

would prefer not too.

my errection problems have been constant from 11 to 40 nothing changes ,at 13 i

found girls attractive but again did not get erections and at 40 still the same.

but i dont know what to call it,to me it seems though i may be wrong

i have a labido[i think i must do]

but have ED problems

now medical science keeps these as two distinct things it seems though to me

looking it ed and labido issues can go hand in hand and one can have interest in

females and sex but not be able to get erections and other phycological and

physical factors to initiate and carry out sexual activiites.

the problem is also part of my aspergers/adhd and dypspraxia all play there part

the adhd making me staying on task on anything difficult and learning and

retaining info diffcutl,one reason i keep asking same questions/print things off

and still dont understand

i need to be able to get my memory retention and comprehension/organisational

skills better before anything else

my ritalin trial has so far helped with concentration and attention and also

stabiliesed my mood swings so thats a help but mmeory/concetration and learning

is still very difficult

regards paul

On T and no libido - why?

>

> I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

> libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

> tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

> pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

> after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

> everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

> is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

> level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

> doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

> like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

> such as Indolplex? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

>

[Guest guest]

if i see a dress blow up now i get massively excited but only in my thoughts

down below no matter how excited i am its real difficult to get and keep the

erection.

thats what i dont understand,surely if my thoughts are fully on this wonederful

woman for a minute then my penis shiould going by what i see of other males be

reacting and getting an erection though again dad says he did not either.

men in our family must be weird lol

as my brother he has been maried once but he too really has no interest in

women,my dad does and has been married 55 yrs but is not that interested in sex

,and me i have interest in sex but cant perform and would prefer to be like my

brother who seems not to botherred by opposite sex at all he just has no

interest,boy is he a lucky one

regards paul

On T and no libido - why?

>

> I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

> libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

> tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

> pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

> after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

> everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

> is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than testosterone

> level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

> doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this sound

> like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase inhibitor

> such as Indolplex? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I guess we see others from our own point of view. Sorry I missed the mark.

I have not lived in your shoes and am trying to understand if you have

problems that are hormone related. You mentioned undescended testicles

and if you have not been examined by a doctor for that problem, you

should.

If you feel your emotions or interest is off the mark, it could be

hormone related.

I see a reproductive endocrinologist that treats men for all sorts of

hormonal problems. He has a web site which is informative and he also

aswers questions when people suspicion they have a problem.

If you send him a note and he doesn't respond, get back to me and I

will jog his memory as he doesn't check his e-mail regularly.

http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/

ernestnolan

> >

> > Hello Promachief,

> >

> > I can say that some of the contradictions you are feeling are not

that

> > strange. I am 40 and primary hypo.

> >

> > There were time in the past for myself that I felt very attracted to

> other

> > women and less so to my wife. We would have sex once a week on

> average. I

> > wanted more but had no great physical burning in my groin to have

> sex...hard to

> > understand. She was not as interested and maybe that played a part

> in my

> > `desire for her`. We had three very young kids and life was very

busy.

> >

> > I just goes to show that my state of mind has changed my desires.

> Yours too

> > must function in somewhat the same way.

> >

> > When I was real low on T I had no libido. It has since come back to

> some

> > degree with the erotic dreams once and a while. No wet dreams though!

> >

> > These days I find my wife quite sexy and I feel better about us.

> This is due

> > to the T getting up there and the fact that she truly understands

> that I

> > have a condition that changes my mood. I do not fantasize about

> other women as

> > much but if I do my taste has changed a bit. Yes, It is strange how

> things like

> > are dependent on mood.

> >

> > There was a time when I had ED when I was younger and it was tough

> to get

> > through. There was alot of psychology probably involved but

> interestingly enough

> > I think it was related to not being able to piss when other people

> were

> > around. I have had this for a while but lately it is not such an

> issue. I think

> > it is related to the low T. Hmmm!

> >

> >

> >

> > Louis

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm no medical person so...............

If your hormones are right seems to me you are happy being a sexual

person one way or the other.

If you have no interest in sex, that isn't the typical average

condition. Not wanting to have any interest isn't typical either.

I think you should start with the fact that you don't have sexual

feelings and ask Dr. Gambrell if he can tell you what is going on.

Right now your wish not to have any sexual interest is a symptom of

something I would associate with a lack of proper hormone balance.

ernestnolan

> >

> > hi i get confused by term libido

> >

> > when people say they have no libido does this mean not noly do they

> have the erection issues but also dont find sex or there partner or

> thought of partner attractive

> >

> > ie is it normal for me to fancy women and go wow i like to have sex

> with that in my head but physically cant manage it,is that a labido

> issue or something else??

> >

> > regards paul

> >

> >

> > On T and no libido - why?

> >

> > I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

> > libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

> > tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

> > pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

> > after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

> > everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

> > is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than

testosterone

> > level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

> > doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this

sound

> > like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase

inhibitor

> > such as Indolplex? Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger .

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

testicles were descended by orchideopexy in 1988 at age 22

the diagonis by local endocronologist in our national health service was about 3

months ago as partial androgen deficiency but he said i was not hypogonadism

secondary but he made that assumption based on the fact the lab levels in his

opinoon are low side of normal and not low,and in fact he stated incorrectly for

hypo secondary and primary high levels of fsh and lh would be apparent,totally

wrrong a you prob know high level indicates primary,low orr normal indicate

secondary needles to say i dont put my faith in him,and he is the olnyt one i

can go to in my area.

but my main priority is the adhd stuff and ritalin is helping in some areas,been

on thsat now for 3 weeks and i sllep a full night first time in whole life,moods

swings have gone,and i can now read 5/6 pages of a4 and 22 pages or a5 in books

,before i lost attention in first few seconds and have never read a book,of

course i still cant read a whole book but sometimes as aaid at least i can now

read more.

i dont beleive i will ever work or cope well without support from social

services and benefits but am pleasad by some results with ritalin so farr ,many

thingsa wont be adressed by the ritalin so my aspergers/dyrpspaxia may not all

be helped,so other help is needed sadly its difficutl to get that help in uk,i

have one session left with my phycologist the noly person who i see weekly and

who understands me,she is made redundant dues to healthn service budget cuts

next friday!!

one more session left ,my phyciatrist if he was redundant i wiould not

care,especially as yet again he gave me an uncompleted prescription forr my

ritalin which meant the pharmacies all said it was invalid,what time wasting

that guy makes for me!!

my memory/emotions and ocncentrration lack of energey and motivation are of

multiple sources the hormone issues/mental phyco sexual/phyco social and

aspeergers/adhd/dyspraxia all compuned by low self esteem and many other issues

all rolled into one me,though i do feeel better generally since taking

ritalin,it took a hard fight with my phyciatrist to get it,my speicalist

phyciatrist wanted me on it back in june when i had my adhd diagnoisis but my

personal phyciatrist and nurse opposed it,while my hpycoligst was on my side.

so i dont want trt by this guy locally and he is the boss a venerable old well

respected [by some] diabetic endo and not a male sexual hormone endo and his

info being incorrect and even trreatment he offered does not follow uk

guidleines and i only saw him gfor 9 minutes of which 6 were on his dicating

machine and no questions asked about me by him ,no sir i wont let him near me

again

my current focus is the ritalin trial i am no and dont want too many other meds

interfering with that so stick weith this ritalin for now.

regards paul

Re: On T and no libido - why?

Hi,

I guess we see others from our own point of view. Sorry I missed the mark.

I have not lived in your shoes and am trying to understand if you have

problems that are hormone related. You mentioned undescended testicles

and if you have not been examined by a doctor for that problem, you

should.

If you feel your emotions or interest is off the mark, it could be

hormone related.

I see a reproductive endocrinologist that treats men for all sorts of

hormonal problems. He has a web site which is informative and he also

aswers questions when people suspicion they have a problem.

If you send him a note and he doesn't respond, get back to me and I

will jog his memory as he doesn't check his e-mail regularly.

http://www.members. aol.com/gambr999 /

ernestnolan

> >

> > Hello Promachief,

> >

> > I can say that some of the contradictions you are feeling are not

that

> > strange. I am 40 and primary hypo.

> >

> > There were time in the past for myself that I felt very attracted to

> other

> > women and less so to my wife. We would have sex once a week on

> average. I

> > wanted more but had no great physical burning in my groin to have

> sex...hard to

> > understand. She was not as interested and maybe that played a part

> in my

> > `desire for her`. We had three very young kids and life was very

busy.

> >

> > I just goes to show that my state of mind has changed my desires.

> Yours too

> > must function in somewhat the same way.

> >

> > When I was real low on T I had no libido. It has since come back to

> some

> > degree with the erotic dreams once and a while. No wet dreams though!

> >

> > These days I find my wife quite sexy and I feel better about us.

> This is due

> > to the T getting up there and the fact that she truly understands

> that I

> > have a condition that changes my mood. I do not fantasize about

> other women as

> > much but if I do my taste has changed a bit. Yes, It is strange how

> things like

> > are dependent on mood.

> >

> > There was a time when I had ED when I was younger and it was tough

> to get

> > through. There was alot of psychology probably involved but

> interestingly enough

> > I think it was related to not being able to piss when other people

> were

> > around. I have had this for a while but lately it is not such an

> issue. I think

> > it is related to the low T. Hmmm!

> >

> >

> >

> > Louis

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi no i have interest in sexual things i find women attractive and think and

dream and masterbate[though with problems ED]

but i dont want to have those feelings at all ,i wish to have no interest in

opposite sex at all.

i dont want to find women attractive to me it gets in the way of other more

important things,yes i need other areas improving some via my ritalin and some

will still be there regardless of ritalin no doubt epsecially because of the

hormone issues,i want to have the blood tests done again after being on ritalin

and see if anytihng has changed total t/lh/fsh wise its interesting to note

ritalin does alter ones dopamine levels in the brain and this as well as needed

for mental functioning ,is also involed in sexual desirre issues,so my ritalin

may imo make me more interestied in females if so then i would have to think

about continued use,i now some guys want those sexual feeling but i can assure

you not all guys do.

my brother has one kid but not inteerested in sex at all

i know many aspergers who have no interest in sex,some seem able to totally

switch off from the feelings of sexual desire,but me i am in middle i have the

feelings in my head of sexual desire so i assume my labido as such is ok,but my

ED,phycosexal/phycosocial hormone issues/co ordination and sensory issues cloud

the feelings i have.

i will not rule out TRT but certinly not locally at this time with the endos and

lack of hormone sexual knowledge in UK NHS.

uk health service is way behind anything in USA in this regards

regards paul

thanls for your interest btw

On T and no libido - why?

> >

> > I give myself a 1/2ml testosterone injection every week. I have no

> > libido whatsoever. I don't have erections in the mornings. When last

> > tested I had these results : T level 410 ng/dl, free testosterone 87

> > pg/ml, testosterone % free 2.1%. The blood was drawn about four days

> > after a T injection. I'm about 30lb overweight but exercise almost

> > everyday and am working at losing the weight. 48 years old. My doctor

> > is very stubborn about not testing for anything other than

testosterone

> > level, such as estrogen level. Other than changing to a different

> > doctor, where do I start in trying to figure this out. Does this

sound

> > like estrogen might be too high? Should I try an an aromatase

inhibitor

> > such as Indolplex? Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger .

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I have read that ADHD can be caused by a food intolerance. There are

testimonials out there that some food can make certain individuals very sick.

Some

say this is due to a deficiency of some mineral because of the upset GI tract.

For instance, I have noticed that spicy food upsets my intestines and I get

loose bowels movements. I notice when I have a good day my bowel movements are

usually good - not really bad smell, two pieces.

I know it sounds funny but these are indicators that the nutrient absorption

system is not so good. I avoid spicy foods and very fat meals like pizza and

I am generally OK.

Also, I have low SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). It is produced in the

liver. I have read that low SHBG could be because my liver is not working

well. There are treatment programs whereby the body is treated induced to clean

itself. People do flush out their system to rid themselves of poisons in the

body etc.

What I am talking about in general is eastern medicine. The basic phylosophy

is to help the body heal itself. I am very new to this.

I would like to try flush or a juice fast to see how things respond. I need

to find a reputable naturalpath to consult my situation.

I will certainly post and communicate what I try.

Louis

[Guest guest]

its a whole load of things not least problems with chemicals in the brain and

hoe they are mixed which is why drugs like ritalin that affect dopamine and

noradrenaline levels work in a lot case,not really sure what those chemicals are

but they do affect desire/motivation/cognitive abilities

the tnhhing is if ones motivation and cognitive abilites are affected severely

then my phyciatrist sayingt

" lose weight/change diet and do exercise " is not really on,the fact it those are

3 tasks that need motivation/organistion and cognitive abikities i dont have

luckily ritalin,is slowly helping to make things a bit better,btu it wont cure

all,and in fact i dont want it to increase my desires for a start,not sexcually

and in fact as dopamine can affect labido then i dont want to find i find women

more attractive,to me i want to find them less attractvie women cause me problms

,some aspioergers men and women have very little desire for sex,mine is there

but i have no abiulities to do it and dont really want to,my mind is out of my

control in this area,so i avoid women and men as much as possible and prefer to

stay at home in my safety world.

ad with anything pepople are affected by diffferant degrees so some with adhd

will have better motivation and ability to change foods and do exercise,others

need other help.

food intolerance is genrallly a symtom of adhd/asperger/dysrpaxia and not really

a cause of it.

if it wqas just food intolerance then resally you would have no actual problesm

as such as all could be miraculously changed by foods ate.

some foods will help some and be more of a problem or do nothing for tohers,like

if i take fish oil capsules,for me nothinfg happens ,for some others it does

help with the attention issues etc,for me and a few i know nothing at all.

most things do work better also if started in chlidhood as you are more able to

change things,in adults its that much harder

i did not know till the other week about dopamine also involved in low

testosteone and erection dysfunction/labido issues,so now i know that i will

have to keep that in mind and not get caried away going out and finding women

attraxctive as i really cant cope with my sexual side and dont want it.

yes i want to be able to think a bit clreaer be able to read more[which ritalin

is doing ] but i dont want increased sexual thoughts,that to some would be a

bonus to me its not and my phycoligy make up means i canyt deal with my seuality

issues ,so if my labido and desires went up i wipuld estrict mysefl more in

going out,at moment i leave the hoursr no more than about 3 times on a busy week

or1 or 2 at other times.

but my thinking is better,my skin sensitivty[one of many sensitivty issues] is

also better on ritalin,i can now read 3 pages of a4 in one go,and 22 pages of a5

books ,never been able to read more than short paragraphse bwefore,now sleep for

first time 5-8 hours instead of 2-4 hours if lucky in 40 yrs of life,feell less

stressed so much this xmas i am spending one day with family this week thats

normal to most pepokle especialy at xmas but in past i dont viit aunts and

uncles family ,i only stick at home with mum and dad,but i have told my aunt i

will do my best to go to see her this week.

still dont like ocassions with people around but i feel ok to do just one of

those this year,in past none so its something

i prefer to be just mum dad and me and cat dont like brother and sister and

family coming over and in fact they wont be again this yr it will be just us on

xmas day just as i like it.

regards paul

regards paul

Re: On T and no libido - why?

,

I have read that ADHD can be caused by a food intolerance. There are

testimonials out there that some food can make certain individuals very sick.

Some

say this is due to a deficiency of some mineral because of the upset GI tract.

For instance, I have noticed that spicy food upsets my intestines and I get

loose bowels movements. I notice when I have a good day my bowel movements are

usually good - not really bad smell, two pieces.

I know it sounds funny but these are indicators that the nutrient absorption

system is not so good. I avoid spicy foods and very fat meals like pizza and

I am generally OK.

Also, I have low SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). It is produced in the

liver. I have read that low SHBG could be because my liver is not working

well. There are treatment programs whereby the body is treated induced to clean

itself. People do flush out their system to rid themselves of poisons in the

body etc.

What I am talking about in general is eastern medicine. The basic phylosophy

is to help the body heal itself. I am very new to this.

I would like to try flush or a juice fast to see how things respond. I need

to find a reputable naturalpath to consult my situation.

I will certainly post and communicate what I try.

Louis