Re: Re: Arimidex instead of TRT

August 30, 2006

Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing Arimidex be dam carefull what your

doing. If you have been on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget it.

Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why anyone on TRT gets small testis. The

men it the study were over weight and over 60 with working testis. There T

levels were low because the E2 was filling the cells in there body and the brain

can't tell the diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the cells the brain

stops sending the messages to the testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least

75% of the men ending up on TRT after trying this there testis just could not

keep up. So most men are like this for yrs. and there testis are not working

because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and so does Dr. that in these

men the testis can't keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being sent to the

testis to make more T so they get over worked or can't keep up and the guys end

up on TRT because there levels go

back down.

I am not saying don't try this I am saying think about it dam good because

when you crash after stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then you did

before you started on TRT. And I can't see anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex

everyday and not being on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60 and

fat your E2 levels are going way down doing Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

Phil

jansz <aszulc@...> wrote:

Bob

Thanks for posting about this interesting new treatment.

I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind giving me the name

and phone of your doctor.

I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my current LH and FSH

<0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without doctors

prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x week.

Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2 (2.1-17.7) I guess I

would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I could switch to

Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if I could live

with out it why bother.

Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some Armour for my

thyroid.

It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is low DHEA.

Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118 (400-500), now DHEA

328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased supplementing to

300mg but not yet tested.

Current TSH 2.985

FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range (3.9-4.9)

FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range (3.7-4.2)

Comments?

Jan

====================================================================

>

> My only prior post was a contribution a few days ago to the

exercise

> thread. I promised that I would have more to report on a new

> protocol I'm following once I got the followup bloodwork. Now's

the

> time.

>

> I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of Arimidex

> **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy, and this puts me

in

> the high range of normal for T with a nice level of estradiol. Who

> woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without supplementing

with

> T?

>

> The background is that I was diagnosed with low T about 6 years ago

> by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my complaints of erectile

> dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on a regimen of

10g

> of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I learned whatever

I

> could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied with my PCP's

> handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for total and free

> testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and then sent me for

a

> precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and FSH turned out

to

> be at the low end of normal range. He did test for estradiol, but

> only because I asked him to after having read about its importance

on

> the Life Extension Foundation website. Nevertheless, the T level

was

> the most important thing to him, and he was happy to get me to the

> high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel. This did not become

a

> cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders of

pharmaceutical

> remedies for that.

>

> This spring, I changed insurance companies and learned that they

> would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration of the medical

> necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of whatever he would

> need to provide that proof.

>

> June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and here are the

results

> (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

>

> FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> Free Testosterone

> % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>

> I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that he didn't test

> for estradiol.

>

> Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed that my PCP had

a

> back injury and my appointment would have to be postponed. This

got

> postponed yet again, and I later learned that he would be out for

an

> extended period and that he would not be able to tend to me for

quite

> some time.

>

> Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist, since the one I

used

> to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient location, and I

> preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within walking distance

> (I'm in Manhattan).

>

> I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist. After he examined

> me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless the PSA test was,

> then started talking to me about my testosterone. Mind you, I had

> already found this group, and had read lots of stuff confirming the

> importance of estradiol levels. I had also read lots of comments

> generally dismissing the competence of endocrinologists or

urologists

> to deal with these issues.

>

> Well, this urologist is obviously a different breed. He looked at

my

> numbers and said I was at the right dosage of Androgel, but then he

> started talking about Arimidex as his preferred method of

treatment.

> At this, I already had the feeling this guy knew more about T than

> any other doctor I've seen. In fact, he then pulled out a copy of

a

> manuscript he had written about using aromatase inhibitors in men

for

> a whole host of good effects. The paper has been accepted for

> publication in a British international urological journal.

>

> Before putting me on Arimidex, he wanted to see my estradiol level

> and get another reading on my T. Here's what he found:

>

> Estradiol 39 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 687 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> With these results, he gave me a prescription for Arimidex, to take

> 1mg per day. I did a double-take, since that's a far greater

amount

> than what I read about in this group. He said this was definitely

> the dosage for me. I asked about getting a new prescription for

> Androgel with my new insurance company, and he then apologized for

> not making himself clear. I was to drop the Androgel altogether.

> Let it wash out of my system for at least a week before starting

the

> Arimidex. Then take the Arimidex for 3 weeks before re-doing the

> bloodwork.

>

> Well, the 3 weeks was up last Friday and I revisited my doc this

> afternoon. Here are the results on 1mg Arimidex per day and

dropping

> the T replacement:

>

> Estradiol 13 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 617 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> Wow. That 617 of testosterone is all me, not some " additive. "

>

> He was very pleased and told me to come back in a month for re-

> testing. As I was leaving, he smiled and predicted that in our

> lifetimes the majority of men will be taking Arimidex.

>

> Bob

>

August 30, 2006

Jan,

The more and more I keep up with the posts the more people I find with the

same problem I have. I have very simular symtoms as you with almost the same

test results. My DHEA is 97 which is 17 points from the bottom with low normal

TSH but normal levels of total T3 T4. Endo looks at everything and says I'm

normal.

I'm on 150mg week T injections and 1mg Arimidex x 2 weekly. From what other

people post this seems to be a very high dose of Arimedex and a moderatly high

dose of T. I just started Arimidex last week and on my second tab. At this dose

in past I've gotten total T of 540 and E2 at 67 but with no Arimidex. I'm hoping

to boost T into 700s and get E2 down to 20s.

Thoughts from everyone?

L

jansz <aszulc@...> wrote:

Bob

Thanks for posting about this interesting new treatment.

I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind giving me the name

and phone of your doctor.

I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my current LH and FSH

<0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without doctors

prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x week.

Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2 (2.1-17.7) I guess I

would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I could switch to

Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if I could live

with out it why bother.

Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some Armour for my

thyroid.

It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is low DHEA.

Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118 (400-500), now DHEA

328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased supplementing to

300mg but not yet tested.

Current TSH 2.985

FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range (3.9-4.9)

FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range (3.7-4.2)

Comments?

Jan

====================================================================

>

> My only prior post was a contribution a few days ago to the

exercise

> thread. I promised that I would have more to report on a new

> protocol I'm following once I got the followup bloodwork. Now's

the

> time.

>

> I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of Arimidex

> **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy, and this puts me

in

> the high range of normal for T with a nice level of estradiol. Who

> woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without supplementing

with

> T?

>

> The background is that I was diagnosed with low T about 6 years ago

> by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my complaints of erectile

> dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on a regimen of

10g

> of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I learned whatever

I

> could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied with my PCP's

> handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for total and free

> testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and then sent me for

a

> precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and FSH turned out

to

> be at the low end of normal range. He did test for estradiol, but

> only because I asked him to after having read about its importance

on

> the Life Extension Foundation website. Nevertheless, the T level

was

> the most important thing to him, and he was happy to get me to the

> high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel. This did not become

a

> cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders of

pharmaceutical

> remedies for that.

>

> This spring, I changed insurance companies and learned that they

> would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration of the medical

> necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of whatever he would

> need to provide that proof.

>

> June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and here are the

results

> (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

>

> FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> Free Testosterone

> % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>

> I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that he didn't test

> for estradiol.

>

> Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed that my PCP had

a

> back injury and my appointment would have to be postponed. This

got

> postponed yet again, and I later learned that he would be out for

an

> extended period and that he would not be able to tend to me for

quite

> some time.

>

> Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist, since the one I

used

> to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient location, and I

> preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within walking distance

> (I'm in Manhattan).

>

> I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist. After he examined

> me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless the PSA test was,

> then started talking to me about my testosterone. Mind you, I had

> already found this group, and had read lots of stuff confirming the

> importance of estradiol levels. I had also read lots of comments

> generally dismissing the competence of endocrinologists or

urologists

> to deal with these issues.

>

> Well, this urologist is obviously a different breed. He looked at

my

> numbers and said I was at the right dosage of Androgel, but then he

> started talking about Arimidex as his preferred method of

treatment.

> At this, I already had the feeling this guy knew more about T than

> any other doctor I've seen. In fact, he then pulled out a copy of

a

> manuscript he had written about using aromatase inhibitors in men

for

> a whole host of good effects. The paper has been accepted for

> publication in a British international urological journal.

>

> Before putting me on Arimidex, he wanted to see my estradiol level

> and get another reading on my T. Here's what he found:

>

> Estradiol 39 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 687 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> With these results, he gave me a prescription for Arimidex, to take

> 1mg per day. I did a double-take, since that's a far greater

amount

> than what I read about in this group. He said this was definitely

> the dosage for me. I asked about getting a new prescription for

> Androgel with my new insurance company, and he then apologized for

> not making himself clear. I was to drop the Androgel altogether.

> Let it wash out of my system for at least a week before starting

the

> Arimidex. Then take the Arimidex for 3 weeks before re-doing the

> bloodwork.

>

> Well, the 3 weeks was up last Friday and I revisited my doc this

> afternoon. Here are the results on 1mg Arimidex per day and

dropping

> the T replacement:

>

> Estradiol 13 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 617 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> Wow. That 617 of testosterone is all me, not some " additive. "

>

> He was very pleased and told me to come back in a month for re-

> testing. As I was leaving, he smiled and predicted that in our

> lifetimes the majority of men will be taking Arimidex.

>

> Bob

>

August 30, 2006

Jan,

The more and more I keep up with the posts the more people I find with the

same problem I have. I have very simular symtoms as you with almost the same

test results. My DHEA is 97 which is 17 points from the bottom with low normal

TSH but normal levels of total T3 T4. Endo looks at everything and says I'm

normal.

I'm on 150mg week T injections and 1mg Arimidex x 2 weekly. From what other

people post this seems to be a very high dose of Arimedex and a moderatly high

dose of T. I just started Arimidex last week and on my second tab. At this dose

in past I've gotten total T of 540 and E2 at 67 but with no Arimidex. I'm hoping

to boost T into 700s and get E2 down to 20s.

Thoughts from everyone?

L

jansz <aszulc@...> wrote:

Bob

Thanks for posting about this interesting new treatment.

I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind giving me the name

and phone of your doctor.

I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my current LH and FSH

<0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without doctors

prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x week.

Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2 (2.1-17.7) I guess I

would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I could switch to

Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if I could live

with out it why bother.

Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some Armour for my

thyroid.

It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is low DHEA.

Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118 (400-500), now DHEA

328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased supplementing to

300mg but not yet tested.

Current TSH 2.985

FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range (3.9-4.9)

FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range (3.7-4.2)

Comments?

Jan

====================================================================

>

> My only prior post was a contribution a few days ago to the

exercise

> thread. I promised that I would have more to report on a new

> protocol I'm following once I got the followup bloodwork. Now's

the

> time.

>

> I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of Arimidex

> **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy, and this puts me

in

> the high range of normal for T with a nice level of estradiol. Who

> woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without supplementing

with

> T?

>

> The background is that I was diagnosed with low T about 6 years ago

> by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my complaints of erectile

> dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on a regimen of

10g

> of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I learned whatever

I

> could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied with my PCP's

> handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for total and free

> testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and then sent me for

a

> precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and FSH turned out

to

> be at the low end of normal range. He did test for estradiol, but

> only because I asked him to after having read about its importance

on

> the Life Extension Foundation website. Nevertheless, the T level

was

> the most important thing to him, and he was happy to get me to the

> high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel. This did not become

a

> cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders of

pharmaceutical

> remedies for that.

>

> This spring, I changed insurance companies and learned that they

> would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration of the medical

> necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of whatever he would

> need to provide that proof.

>

> June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and here are the

results

> (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

>

> FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> Free Testosterone

> % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>

> I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that he didn't test

> for estradiol.

>

> Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed that my PCP had

a

> back injury and my appointment would have to be postponed. This

got

> postponed yet again, and I later learned that he would be out for

an

> extended period and that he would not be able to tend to me for

quite

> some time.

>

> Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist, since the one I

used

> to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient location, and I

> preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within walking distance

> (I'm in Manhattan).

>

> I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist. After he examined

> me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless the PSA test was,

> then started talking to me about my testosterone. Mind you, I had

> already found this group, and had read lots of stuff confirming the

> importance of estradiol levels. I had also read lots of comments

> generally dismissing the competence of endocrinologists or

urologists

> to deal with these issues.

>

> Well, this urologist is obviously a different breed. He looked at

my

> numbers and said I was at the right dosage of Androgel, but then he

> started talking about Arimidex as his preferred method of

treatment.

> At this, I already had the feeling this guy knew more about T than

> any other doctor I've seen. In fact, he then pulled out a copy of

a

> manuscript he had written about using aromatase inhibitors in men

for

> a whole host of good effects. The paper has been accepted for

> publication in a British international urological journal.

>

> Before putting me on Arimidex, he wanted to see my estradiol level

> and get another reading on my T. Here's what he found:

>

> Estradiol 39 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 687 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> With these results, he gave me a prescription for Arimidex, to take

> 1mg per day. I did a double-take, since that's a far greater

amount

> than what I read about in this group. He said this was definitely

> the dosage for me. I asked about getting a new prescription for

> Androgel with my new insurance company, and he then apologized for

> not making himself clear. I was to drop the Androgel altogether.

> Let it wash out of my system for at least a week before starting

the

> Arimidex. Then take the Arimidex for 3 weeks before re-doing the

> bloodwork.

>

> Well, the 3 weeks was up last Friday and I revisited my doc this

> afternoon. Here are the results on 1mg Arimidex per day and

dropping

> the T replacement:

>

> Estradiol 13 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 617 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> Wow. That 617 of testosterone is all me, not some " additive. "

>

> He was very pleased and told me to come back in a month for re-

> testing. As I was leaving, he smiled and predicted that in our

> lifetimes the majority of men will be taking Arimidex.

>

> Bob

>

August 30, 2006

Thanks for your concern, Phil.

I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls half

gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them first

(with HCG).

First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's name

and phone.

I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

E2=13 is a stable condition.

I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had a

hard time to get erection even when using Cialis. Now

I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and the

other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

Jan

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing Arimidex

> be dam carefull what your doing. If you have been

> on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget it.

> Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why anyone on

> TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> over weight and over 60 with working testis. There

> T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> cells the brain stops sending the messages to the

> testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least 75%

> of the men ending up on TRT after trying this there

> testis just could not keep up. So most men are like

> this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and so

> does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being sent

> to the testis to make more T so they get over worked

> or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT because

> there levels go

> back down.

>

> I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> about it dam good because when you crash after

> stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then you

> did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not being

> on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60

> and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> Phil

>

> jansz <aszulc@...> wrote:

> Bob

> Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> treatment.

> I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind

> giving me the name

> and phone of your doctor.

> I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my

> current LH and FSH

> <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without

> doctors

> prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x

> week.

> Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I

> could switch to

> Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if

> I could live

> with out it why bother.

>

> Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some

> Armour for my

> thyroid.

> It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

> I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is

> low DHEA.

> Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> (400-500), now DHEA

> 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> supplementing to

> 300mg but not yet tested.

> Current TSH 2.985

> FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> (3.9-4.9)

> FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> (3.7-4.2)

> Comments?

> Jan

>

====================================================================

>

> >

> > My only prior post was a contribution a few days

> ago to the

> exercise

> > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> report on a new

> > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> bloodwork. Now's

> the

> > time.

> >

> > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of

> Arimidex

> > **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy,

> and this puts me

> in

> > the high range of normal for T with a nice level

> of estradiol. Who

> > woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without

> supplementing

> with

> > T?

> >

> > The background is that I was diagnosed with low T

> about 6 years ago

> > by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my

> complaints of erectile

> > dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on

> a regimen of

> 10g

> > of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I

> learned whatever

> I

> > could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied

> with my PCP's

> > handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for

> total and free

> > testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and

> then sent me for

> a

> > precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and

> FSH turned out

> to

> > be at the low end of normal range. He did test for

> estradiol, but

> > only because I asked him to after having read

> about its importance

> on

> > the Life Extension Foundation website.

> Nevertheless, the T level

> was

> > the most important thing to him, and he was happy

> to get me to the

> > high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel.

> This did not become

> a

> > cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders

> of

> pharmaceutical

> > remedies for that.

> >

> > This spring, I changed insurance companies and

> learned that they

> > would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration

> of the medical

> > necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of

> whatever he would

> > need to provide that proof.

> >

> > June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and

> here are the

> results

> > (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

> >

> > FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> > LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> > Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> > Free Testosterone

> > % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> > Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

> >

> > I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed

> that he didn't test

> > for estradiol.

> >

> > Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed

> that my PCP had

> a

> > back injury and my appointment would have to be

> postponed. This

> got

> > postponed yet again, and I later learned that he

> would be out for

> an

> > extended period and that he would not be able to

> tend to me for

> quite

> > some time.

> >

> > Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist,

> since the one I

> used

> > to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient

> location, and I

> > preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within

> walking distance

> > (I'm in Manhattan).

> >

> > I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist.

> After he examined

> > me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless

> the PSA test was,

> > then started talking to me about my testosterone.

> Mind you, I had

> > already found this group, and had read lots of

> stuff confirming the

> > importance of estradiol levels. I had also read

> lots of comments

> > generally dismissing the competence of

> endocrinologists or

> urologists

> > to deal with these issues.

> >

> > Well, this urologist is obviously a different

> breed.

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

August 30, 2006

Yes I feel your going to go to low to fast taking this much arimidex cut the

pill in half and take it every 3 days. When your E2 comes down you will get

strong very strong morning wood the kind that wakes you up this means your in

the zone. But if you lose this you went to low so stop the Arimidex until wood

comes back if you don't get any wood try to get it up if you can't your to low.

I don't think your to low yet but doing this much you will go down so fast you

will miss the wood and just go to low.

Phil

Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

Jan,

The more and more I keep up with the posts the more people I find with the same

problem I have. I have very simular symtoms as you with almost the same test

results. My DHEA is 97 which is 17 points from the bottom with low normal TSH

but normal levels of total T3 T4. Endo looks at everything and says I'm normal.

I'm on 150mg week T injections and 1mg Arimidex x 2 weekly. From what other

people post this seems to be a very high dose of Arimedex and a moderatly high

dose of T. I just started Arimidex last week and on my second tab. At this dose

in past I've gotten total T of 540 and E2 at 67 but with no Arimidex. I'm hoping

to boost T into 700s and get E2 down to 20s.

Thoughts from everyone?

L

jansz wrote:

Bob

Thanks for posting about this interesting new treatment.

I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind giving me the name

and phone of your doctor.

I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my current LH and FSH

<0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without doctors

prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x week.

Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2 (2.1-17.7) I guess I

would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I could switch to

Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if I could live

with out it why bother.

Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some Armour for my

thyroid.

It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is low DHEA.

Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118 (400-500), now DHEA

328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased supplementing to

300mg but not yet tested.

Current TSH 2.985

FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range (3.9-4.9)

FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range (3.7-4.2)

Comments?

Jan

====================================================================

>

> My only prior post was a contribution a few days ago to the

exercise

> thread. I promised that I would have more to report on a new

> protocol I'm following once I got the followup bloodwork. Now's

the

> time.

>

> I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of Arimidex

> **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy, and this puts me

in

> the high range of normal for T with a nice level of estradiol. Who

> woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without supplementing

with

> T?

>

> The background is that I was diagnosed with low T about 6 years ago

> by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my complaints of erectile

> dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on a regimen of

10g

> of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I learned whatever

I

> could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied with my PCP's

> handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for total and free

> testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and then sent me for

a

> precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and FSH turned out

to

> be at the low end of normal range. He did test for estradiol, but

> only because I asked him to after having read about its importance

on

> the Life Extension Foundation website. Nevertheless, the T level

was

> the most important thing to him, and he was happy to get me to the

> high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel. This did not become

a

> cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders of

pharmaceutical

> remedies for that.

>

> This spring, I changed insurance companies and learned that they

> would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration of the medical

> necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of whatever he would

> need to provide that proof.

>

> June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and here are the

results

> (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

>

> FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> Free Testosterone

> % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>

> I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that he didn't test

> for estradiol.

>

> Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed that my PCP had

a

> back injury and my appointment would have to be postponed. This

got

> postponed yet again, and I later learned that he would be out for

an

> extended period and that he would not be able to tend to me for

quite

> some time.

>

> Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist, since the one I

used

> to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient location, and I

> preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within walking distance

> (I'm in Manhattan).

>

> I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist. After he examined

> me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless the PSA test was,

> then started talking to me about my testosterone. Mind you, I had

> already found this group, and had read lots of stuff confirming the

> importance of estradiol levels. I had also read lots of comments

> generally dismissing the competence of endocrinologists or

urologists

> to deal with these issues.

>

> Well, this urologist is obviously a different breed. He looked at

my

> numbers and said I was at the right dosage of Androgel, but then he

> started talking about Arimidex as his preferred method of

treatment.

> At this, I already had the feeling this guy knew more about T than

> any other doctor I've seen. In fact, he then pulled out a copy of

a

> manuscript he had written about using aromatase inhibitors in men

for

> a whole host of good effects. The paper has been accepted for

> publication in a British international urological journal.

>

> Before putting me on Arimidex, he wanted to see my estradiol level

> and get another reading on my T. Here's what he found:

>

> Estradiol 39 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 687 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> With these results, he gave me a prescription for Arimidex, to take

> 1mg per day. I did a double-take, since that's a far greater

amount

> than what I read about in this group. He said this was definitely

> the dosage for me. I asked about getting a new prescription for

> Androgel with my new insurance company, and he then apologized for

> not making himself clear. I was to drop the Androgel altogether.

> Let it wash out of my system for at least a week before starting

the

> Arimidex. Then take the Arimidex for 3 weeks before re-doing the

> bloodwork.

>

> Well, the 3 weeks was up last Friday and I revisited my doc this

> afternoon. Here are the results on 1mg Arimidex per day and

dropping

> the T replacement:

>

> Estradiol 13 (Range 10-50 pg/mL)

> Total T 617 (Range 241-827 ng/dL)

>

> Wow. That 617 of testosterone is all me, not some " additive. "

>

> He was very pleased and told me to come back in a month for re-

> testing. As I was leaving, he smiled and predicted that in our

> lifetimes the majority of men will be taking Arimidex.

>

> Bob

>

August 30, 2006

Jan yes 13 is to low I can't get it up below 15 best to stay at or around 20.

Stop taking it until you can get it up.

Phil

Jan Szulc <aszulc@...> wrote:

Thanks for your concern, Phil.

I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls half

gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them first

(with HCG).

First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's name

and phone.

I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

E2=13 is a stable condition.

I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had a

hard time to get erection even when using Cialis. Now

I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and the

other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

Jan

--- philip georgian

wrote:

> Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing Arimidex

> be dam carefull what your doing. If you have been

> on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget it.

> Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why anyone on

> TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> over weight and over 60 with working testis. There

> T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> cells the brain stops sending the messages to the

> testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least 75%

> of the men ending up on TRT after trying this there

> testis just could not keep up. So most men are like

> this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and so

> does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being sent

> to the testis to make more T so they get over worked

> or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT because

> there levels go

> back down.

>

> I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> about it dam good because when you crash after

> stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then you

> did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not being

> on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60

> and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> Phil

>

> jansz wrote:

> Bob

> Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> treatment.

> I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind

> giving me the name

> and phone of your doctor.

> I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my

> current LH and FSH

> <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take (without

> doctors

> prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x

> week.

> Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before I

> could switch to

> Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but if

> I could live

> with out it why bother.

>

> Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some

> Armour for my

> thyroid.

> It is basically ok, but I think it could be helped.

> I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is

> low DHEA.

> Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> (400-500), now DHEA

> 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> supplementing to

> 300mg but not yet tested.

> Current TSH 2.985

> FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> (3.9-4.9)

> FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> (3.7-4.2)

> Comments?

> Jan

>

====================================================================

>

> >

> > My only prior post was a contribution a few days

> ago to the

> exercise

> > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> report on a new

> > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> bloodwork. Now's

> the

> > time.

> >

> > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg of

> Arimidex

> > **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy,

> and this puts me

> in

> > the high range of normal for T with a nice level

> of estradiol. Who

> > woulda' thunk I could get to that T range without

> supplementing

> with

> > T?

> >

> > The background is that I was diagnosed with low T

> about 6 years ago

> > by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my

> complaints of erectile

> > dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling on

> a regimen of

> 10g

> > of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I

> learned whatever

> I

> > could, as I always do, and was generally satisfied

> with my PCP's

> > handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for

> total and free

> > testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH, and

> then sent me for

> a

> > precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH and

> FSH turned out

> to

> > be at the low end of normal range. He did test for

> estradiol, but

> > only because I asked him to after having read

> about its importance

> on

> > the Life Extension Foundation website.

> Nevertheless, the T level

> was

> > the most important thing to him, and he was happy

> to get me to the

> > high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel.

> This did not become

> a

> > cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new wonders

> of

> pharmaceutical

> > remedies for that.

> >

> > This spring, I changed insurance companies and

> learned that they

> > would not pay for Androgel without a demonstration

> of the medical

> > necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest of

> whatever he would

> > need to provide that proof.

> >

> > June 19th, blood was taken for this purpose, and

> here are the

> results

> > (remember, this is on 10g/day of Androgel):

> >

> > FSH 2.3 (Range 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)

> > LH 2.2 (Range 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)

> > Total T 562 (Range 260-1000 ng/dL)

> > Free Testosterone

> > % Free 1.1 (Range 1.0-2.7%)

> > Free 63.6 (Range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

> >

> > I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed

> that he didn't test

> > for estradiol.

> >

> > Shortly after doing this bloodwork, I was informed

> that my PCP had

> a

> > back injury and my appointment would have to be

> postponed. This

> got

> > postponed yet again, and I later learned that he

> would be out for

> an

> > extended period and that he would not be able to

> tend to me for

> quite

> > some time.

> >

> > Fortuitously, I had to look for a new urologist,

> since the one I

> used

> > to go to had moved his office to an inconvenient

> location, and I

> > preferred to keep my doctors' appointments within

> walking distance

> > (I'm in Manhattan).

> >

> > I brought all my bloodwork to my new urologist.

> After he examined

> > me, he spent a few minutes telling me how useless

> the PSA test was,

> > then started talking to me about my testosterone.

> Mind you, I had

> > already found this group, and had read lots of

> stuff confirming the

> > importance of estradiol levels. I had also read

> lots of comments

> > generally dismissing the competence of

> endocrinologists or

> urologists

> > to deal with these issues.

> >

> > Well, this urologist is obviously a different

> breed.

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

August 30, 2006

Phil;

you are advising to watch morning wood when attempting

E2 regulation (using Arimidex). That will be ok if one

did not used Cialis. Any coments on wood/E2 when

Cialis is used? It is quite complicaed to balance

Arimidex/Cialis/Avodart (variables), Androgel (10mg

constant). I also take Super MiraForte and Dual-Action

Cruciferous Vegetable Extract with Resveratrol

from LEF, among other things. They contain I3C, Zinc,

Maca, Chrysin. Like I said, lot of things to watch.

Jan

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Jan yes 13 is to low I can't get it up below 15 best

> to stay at or around 20. Stop taking it until you

> can get it up.

> Phil

>

> Jan Szulc <aszulc@...> wrote:

> Thanks for your concern, Phil.

> I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls

> half

> gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them first

> (with HCG).

> First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

> relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's name

> and phone.

> I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

> E2=13 is a stable condition.

>

> I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

> For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had a

> hard time to get erection even when using Cialis.

> Now

> I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

> Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and the

> other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

> Jan

>

> --- philip georgian

> wrote:

>

> > Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing

> Arimidex

> > be dam carefull what your doing. If you have been

> > on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget it.

> > Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why anyone

> on

> > TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> > over weight and over 60 with working testis. There

> > T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> > cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> > diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> > cells the brain stops sending the messages to the

> > testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least 75%

> > of the men ending up on TRT after trying this

> there

> > testis just could not keep up. So most men are

> like

> > this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> > because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and so

> > does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> > keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being

> sent

> > to the testis to make more T so they get over

> worked

> > or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT

> because

> > there levels go

> > back down.

> >

> > I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> > about it dam good because when you crash after

> > stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then

> you

> > did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> > anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not

> being

> > on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60

> > and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> > Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> > Phil

> >

> > jansz wrote:

> > Bob

> > Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> > treatment.

> > I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind

> > giving me the name

> > and phone of your doctor.

> > I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my

> > current LH and FSH

> > <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take

> (without

> > doctors

> > prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x

> > week.

> > Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> > (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> > would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before

> I

> > could switch to

> > Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but

> if

> > I could live

> > with out it why bother.

> >

> > Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some

> > Armour for my

> > thyroid.

> > It is basically ok, but I think it could be

> helped.

> > I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is

> > low DHEA.

> > Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> > (400-500), now DHEA

> > 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> > supplementing to

> > 300mg but not yet tested.

> > Current TSH 2.985

> > FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> > (3.9-4.9)

> > FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> > (3.7-4.2)

> > Comments?

> > Jan

> >

>

====================================================================

> >

> > >

> > > My only prior post was a contribution a few days

> > ago to the

> > exercise

> > > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> > report on a new

> > > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> > bloodwork. Now's

> > the

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg

> of

> > Arimidex

> > > **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy,

> > and this puts me

> > in

> > > the high range of normal for T with a nice level

> > of estradiol. Who

> > > woulda' thunk I could get to that T range

> without

> > supplementing

> > with

> > > T?

> > >

> > > The background is that I was diagnosed with low

> T

> > about 6 years ago

> > > by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my

> > complaints of erectile

> > > dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling

> on

> > a regimen of

> > 10g

> > > of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I

> > learned whatever

> > I

> > > could, as I always do, and was generally

> satisfied

> > with my PCP's

> > > handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for

> > total and free

> > > testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH,

> and

> > then sent me for

> > a

> > > precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH

> and

> > FSH turned out

> > to

> > > be at the low end of normal range. He did test

> for

> > estradiol, but

> > > only because I asked him to after having read

> > about its importance

> > on

> > > the Life Extension Foundation website.

> > Nevertheless, the T level

> > was

> > > the most important thing to him, and he was

> happy

> > to get me to the

> > > high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel.

> > This did not become

> > a

> > > cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new

> wonders

> > of

> > pharmaceutical

> > > remedies for that.

> > >

> > > This spring, I changed insurance companies and

> > learned that they

> > > would not pay for Androgel without a

> demonstration

> > of the medical

> > > necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest

> of

> > whatever he would

> > > need to provide that proof.

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

August 31, 2006

Bob;

If you have it handy, please post some links to some

of your doctor's publications.

Thanks;

Jan

--- rtolz <no_reply > wrote:

.......................................

> //And I can't see anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex

> everyday and not

> being on TRT with out going to low. If your not over

> 60 and fat your

> E2 levels are going way down doing Arimidex at 1mg.

> a day.//

>

> Phil, I respect your obviously extensive knowledge,

> but you

> contradict the advice of my doctor, whom I choose to

> trust until

> results prove otherwise. For what it's worth, a

> search in PubMed

> shows 50 publications with him as author,which

> demonstrates a

> credibility I'm willing to rely on.

>

> This regimen will be monitored as we go along, but

> after 3 weeks my T

> is 617 (range 241-827) and my estradiol is 13 (range

> 10-50). I'm not

> over 60 years old (I count only 56 birthdays so far)

> and I'm

> overweight but no longer obese (having lost 90

> pounds after lapband

> surgery last October, and still counting down). I'm

> feeling just

> fine, thank you. So far, so good.

>

> Bob

>

__________________________________________________

August 31, 2006

Hi Jan yes I take Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as per my Dr. If my E2 goes to

low I can't get morning wood. I don't need Cialis to have sex but my wife likes

it real hard not 75% hard so I take Cialis. Also this is keeping my BP down so

I don't need BP meds. If you don't need an ED pill and you get your E2 down to

low taking a pill you still will not be able to get it up. So if I get up to go

to the bath room in the middle of the night and it is not hard. When I wake

that morning I try to get it up if I can't I stop taking my Arimidex. When I

wood comes back I go back on it but cut the dose or take it every 4 days instead

or every 3 days.

Phil

Jan Szulc <aszulc@...> wrote:

Phil;

you are advising to watch morning wood when attempting

E2 regulation (using Arimidex). That will be ok if one

did not used Cialis. Any coments on wood/E2 when

Cialis is used? It is quite complicaed to balance

Arimidex/Cialis/Avodart (variables), Androgel (10mg

constant). I also take Super MiraForte and Dual-Action

Cruciferous Vegetable Extract with Resveratrol

from LEF, among other things. They contain I3C, Zinc,

Maca, Chrysin. Like I said, lot of things to watch.

Jan

--- philip georgian

wrote:

> Jan yes 13 is to low I can't get it up below 15 best

> to stay at or around 20. Stop taking it until you

> can get it up.

> Phil

>

> Jan Szulc wrote:

> Thanks for your concern, Phil.

> I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls

> half

> gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them first

> (with HCG).

> First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

> relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's name

> and phone.

> I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

> E2=13 is a stable condition.

>

> I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

> For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had a

> hard time to get erection even when using Cialis.

> Now

> I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

> Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and the

> other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

> Jan

>

> --- philip georgian

> wrote:

>

> > Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing

> Arimidex

> > be dam carefull what your doing. If you have been

> > on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget it.

> > Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why anyone

> on

> > TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> > over weight and over 60 with working testis. There

> > T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> > cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> > diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> > cells the brain stops sending the messages to the

> > testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least 75%

> > of the men ending up on TRT after trying this

> there

> > testis just could not keep up. So most men are

> like

> > this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> > because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and so

> > does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> > keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being

> sent

> > to the testis to make more T so they get over

> worked

> > or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT

> because

> > there levels go

> > back down.

> >

> > I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> > about it dam good because when you crash after

> > stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then

> you

> > did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> > anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not

> being

> > on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60

> > and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> > Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> > Phil

> >

> > jansz wrote:

> > Bob

> > Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> > treatment.

> > I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind

> > giving me the name

> > and phone of your doctor.

> > I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years, my

> > current LH and FSH

> > <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take

> (without

> > doctors

> > prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about 4x

> > week.

> > Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> > (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> > would have to restart my testis (with HGH) before

> I

> > could switch to

> > Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel but

> if

> > I could live

> > with out it why bother.

> >

> > Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from some

> > Armour for my

> > thyroid.

> > It is basically ok, but I think it could be

> helped.

> > I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid is

> > low DHEA.

> > Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> > (400-500), now DHEA

> > 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> > supplementing to

> > 300mg but not yet tested.

> > Current TSH 2.985

> > FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> > (3.9-4.9)

> > FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> > (3.7-4.2)

> > Comments?

> > Jan

> >

>

====================================================================

> >

> > >

> > > My only prior post was a contribution a few days

> > ago to the

> > exercise

> > > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> > report on a new

> > > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> > bloodwork. Now's

> > the

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg

> of

> > Arimidex

> > > **instead** of testosterone replacement therapy,

> > and this puts me

> > in

> > > the high range of normal for T with a nice level

> > of estradiol. Who

> > > woulda' thunk I could get to that T range

> without

> > supplementing

> > with

> > > T?

> > >

> > > The background is that I was diagnosed with low

> T

> > about 6 years ago

> > > by my endo/PCP, a diagnosis stimulated by my

> > complaints of erectile

> > > dysfunction. I went on TRT, ultimately settling

> on

> > a regimen of

> > 10g

> > > of Androgel per day. At the time of diagnosis, I

> > learned whatever

> > I

> > > could, as I always do, and was generally

> satisfied

> > with my PCP's

> > > handling of the situation; e.g., he tested for

> > total and free

> > > testosterone as well as prolactin, LH and FSH,

> and

> > then sent me for

> > a

> > > precautionary MRI of the pituitary when the LH

> and

> > FSH turned out

> > to

> > > be at the low end of normal range. He did test

> for

> > estradiol, but

> > > only because I asked him to after having read

> > about its importance

> > on

> > > the Life Extension Foundation website.

> > Nevertheless, the T level

> > was

> > > the most important thing to him, and he was

> happy

> > to get me to the

> > > high range of normal with the 10g of Androgel.

> > This did not become

> > a

> > > cure for the ED, and I resorted to the new

> wonders

> > of

> > pharmaceutical

> > > remedies for that.

> > >

> > > This spring, I changed insurance companies and

> > learned that they

> > > would not pay for Androgel without a

> demonstration

> > of the medical

> > > necessity, so I asked my doc to order a retest

> of

> > whatever he would

> > > need to provide that proof.

>

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__________________________________________________

August 31, 2006

Hi Bob I am not in any way or will I ever mean for you to do other then what

your Dr. is doing to treat you. I am only giving you some info to look out for.

Men here on Arimidex are going to low just taking .25mgs every 3 days and they

are on T meds. So if you lose morning wood it can mean you went to low. When I

first found out my E2 was to high we tried .5mgs every otherday and in 4 weeks

my levels never went down at all so we upped the dose to .5 mgs everyday and in

the next 4 weeks my test showed my E2 came down from 90 to 24 we stayed on this

for 4 more weeks and my next test come back <20 I felt ok we did not know about

doing a test that tested low like this one.

http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sr012000.htm

So I did 4 more weeks my next test came back <20 but this time I felt bad and

lost my sex life again. My Dr. had me stop the Arimidex it took me 6 weeks to

get my levels back up to 30. So we started back on it but doing a lot less I

was going to low doing .25 mgs every 5 days. So just keep this in mind I would

hate to see anyone go to low it sucks.

Phil

rtolz <no_reply > wrote:

Arkansas: //How have you felt and performed so far on only

arimidex?//

No change in mood, libido, strength, energy or sense of well-being,

which were all good before this change in treatment and which all

remain good. I have more morning wood; actually, I don't think I was

having any prior to this change except on an extremely sporadic

basis. I'm not yet ready to give up my Cialis.

// There is a article from American Journal of Endo.... //

I'd love to see it.

Jan: //I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you mind giving me

the name and phone of your doctor.//

As soon as I get the next digest so I can reply directly to you, I'll

send the info by private email, and I'll extend the same courtesy to

anyone else who is interested. I'd rather not post the info directly

here without consulting him.

Phil: //Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing Arimidex be dam

carefull what your doing. If you have been on TRT for some time and

your Primiary forget it.//

Point well taken. If I understand correctly, the mechanism of action

is probably that Arimidex is taking making sure that the naturally

produced T stays as T, not converted to estrogen. If you're not

capable of producing T, the Arimidex by itself and no TRT isn't

likely to do be useful.

//And I can't see anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not

being on TRT with out going to low. If your not over 60 and fat your

E2 levels are going way down doing Arimidex at 1mg. a day.//

Phil, I respect your obviously extensive knowledge, but you

contradict the advice of my doctor, whom I choose to trust until

results prove otherwise. For what it's worth, a search in PubMed

shows 50 publications with him as author,which demonstrates a

credibility I'm willing to rely on.

This regimen will be monitored as we go along, but after 3 weeks my T

is 617 (range 241-827) and my estradiol is 13 (range 10-50). I'm not

over 60 years old (I count only 56 birthdays so far) and I'm

overweight but no longer obese (having lost 90 pounds after lapband

surgery last October, and still counting down). I'm feeling just

fine, thank you. So far, so good.

Bob

August 31, 2006

Phil;

" yes I take Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. "

That clarifies situation, thanks.

------

I am 66yo, 5'9 " , 155#, fit. Untill recently, for over

a year, I have been taking 1/2pill Arimidex and 1 pill

Avodart, tested E2 26 (0-43), DHT 29 (30-85). I was

also taking 20mg Cialis before sex, had sex on that

one pill 1x week, sometimes 2x. Usually I would have

nice wood next 3-4 days after Cialis. Then at one

point, about 3 months ago I was not able to get

erection, skipped sex for 1 week and got it. This

happened twice. I skipped Arimidex and Avodart for a

month, erection improved. I did not do blood test. Now

I am scratching my head, is it due to E2 or DHT or

both.

In my mind Avodart is an improved Proscar or Propecia.

There is so much discussion on other board how bad

Proscar is. Should not the discussion really be about

DHT levels? or there is something else that I am

missing?

At one point, after stopping Arimidex & Avodart I felt

as I should be able to have sex without Cialis. I

chickened out and took Cialis to play safe. I suspect

there is dose and frequency that would allow me to be

at that point, it is just hard to figure that out.

Comments?

Jan

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi Jan yes I take Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as

> per my Dr. If my E2 goes to low I can't get morning

> wood. I don't need Cialis to have sex but my wife

> likes it real hard not 75% hard so I take Cialis.

> Also this is keeping my BP down so I don't need BP

> meds. If you don't need an ED pill and you get your

> E2 down to low taking a pill you still will not be

> able to get it up. So if I get up to go to the bath

> room in the middle of the night and it is not hard.

> When I wake that morning I try to get it up if I

> can't I stop taking my Arimidex. When I wood comes

> back I go back on it but cut the dose or take it

> every 4 days instead or every 3 days.

> Phil

>

> Jan Szulc <aszulc@...> wrote:

> Phil;

> you are advising to watch morning wood when

> attempting

> E2 regulation (using Arimidex). That will be ok if

> one

> did not used Cialis. Any coments on wood/E2 when

> Cialis is used? It is quite complicaed to balance

> Arimidex/Cialis/Avodart (variables), Androgel (10mg

> constant). I also take Super MiraForte and

> Dual-Action

> Cruciferous Vegetable Extract with Resveratrol

> from LEF, among other things. They contain I3C,

> Zinc,

> Maca, Chrysin. Like I said, lot of things to watch.

>

> Jan

>

> --- philip georgian

> wrote:

>

> > Jan yes 13 is to low I can't get it up below 15

> best

> > to stay at or around 20. Stop taking it until you

> > can get it up.

> > Phil

> >

> > Jan Szulc wrote:

> > Thanks for your concern, Phil.

> > I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls

> > half

> > gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them

> first

> > (with HCG).

> > First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

> > relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's

> name

> > and phone.

> > I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

> > E2=13 is a stable condition.

> >

> > I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

> > For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had

> a

> > hard time to get erection even when using Cialis.

> > Now

> > I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

> > Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and

> the

> > other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

> > Jan

> >

> > --- philip georgian

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing

> > Arimidex

> > > be dam carefull what your doing. If you have

> been

> > > on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget

> it.

> > > Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why

> anyone

> > on

> > > TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> > > over weight and over 60 with working testis.

> There

> > > T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> > > cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> > > diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> > > cells the brain stops sending the messages to

> the

> > > testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least

> 75%

> > > of the men ending up on TRT after trying this

> > there

> > > testis just could not keep up. So most men are

> > like

> > > this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> > > because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and

> so

> > > does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> > > keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being

> > sent

> > > to the testis to make more T so they get over

> > worked

> > > or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT

> > because

> > > there levels go

> > > back down.

> > >

> > > I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> > > about it dam good because when you crash after

> > > stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then

> > you

> > > did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> > > anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not

> > being

> > > on TRT with out going to low. If your not over

> 60

> > > and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> > > Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > jansz wrote:

> > > Bob

> > > Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> > > treatment.

> > > I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you

> mind

> > > giving me the name

> > > and phone of your doctor.

> > > I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years,

> my

> > > current LH and FSH

> > > <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take

> > (without

> > > doctors

> > > prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about

> 4x

> > > week.

> > > Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> > > (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> > > would have to restart my testis (with HGH)

> before

> > I

> > > could switch to

> > > Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel

> but

> > if

> > > I could live

> > > with out it why bother.

> > >

> > > Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from

> some

> > > Armour for my

> > > thyroid.

> > > It is basically ok, but I think it could be

> > helped.

> > > I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid

> is

> > > low DHEA.

> > > Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> > > (400-500), now DHEA

> > > 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> > > supplementing to

> > > 300mg but not yet tested.

> > > Current TSH 2.985

> > > FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> > > (3.9-4.9)

> > > FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> > > (3.7-4.2)

> > > Comments?

> > > Jan

> > >

> >

>

====================================================================

> > >

> > > >

> > > > My only prior post was a contribution a few

> days

> > > ago to the

> > > exercise

> > > > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> > > report on a new

> > > > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> > > bloodwork. Now's

> > > the

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg

> > of

> > > Arimidex

> > > > **instead** of testosterone replacement

> therapy,

> > > and this puts me

> > > in

> > > > the high range of normal for T with a nice

> level

> > > of estradiol. Who

>

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__________________________________________________

August 31, 2006

Maybe he is on to something we don't know about I know I have talked to Dr.

about this and he has tried with his men and it did not work out so he does not

believe in it. Time will tell the thing that is improtant is you now know what

to look out for. I only know of one man on 1 mg. a day of Arimidex and he was

HIV Oreon God Bless him. If you do a search he would post his E2 levels.

Phil

rtolz <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Hi Bob I am not in any way or will I ever mean for you to do other

then what your Dr. is doing to treat you. I am only giving you some

info to look out for. Men here on Arimidex are going to low just

taking .25mgs every 3 days and they are on T meds.

Phil,

There's a substantial difference here. My doc will not

prescribe Arimidex at the same time as being on T meds. I can't say

that I've understood why there's an incompatibility, but he was very

clear that I cannot be on both at the same time. For instance, when

I said that I've got all these boxes of Androgel in my closet going

to waste, he said if I wanted to use them up I could do so, but I'd

have to be off the Arimidex while taking the Androgel. Next time I

see him, in about a month, I'll try to get a good enough

understanding so that I not only am satisfied myself but can also

explain it to my fellow group members in a way that's not

gobbledygook.

In any event, your reports that guys here on a small amount of

Arimidex while taking T meds are going too low is empirical support

for my doctor's approach.

Bob

August 31, 2006

From what I understand you can have higher levels of DHT and it's not a problem.

I was putting the gel on my boys and it drove my DHT up over 4 times the top of

the range and I had no problems. As for Avodart I would not take it and a lot

of Dr.'s will not use it. At the time you could not have sex and you were on

Arimidex and Avodart then stopped it and things got better only tells me your E2

went to low.

Here is what I have on DHT that does not have anything to do with hair. And

when you read this I think you will find higher levels of DHT are not so bad.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm

Phil

Jan Szulc <aszulc@...> wrote:

Phil;

" yes I take Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. "

That clarifies situation, thanks.

------

I am 66yo, 5'9 " , 155#, fit. Untill recently, for over

a year, I have been taking 1/2pill Arimidex and 1 pill

Avodart, tested E2 26 (0-43), DHT 29 (30-85). I was

also taking 20mg Cialis before sex, had sex on that

one pill 1x week, sometimes 2x. Usually I would have

nice wood next 3-4 days after Cialis. Then at one

point, about 3 months ago I was not able to get

erection, skipped sex for 1 week and got it. This

happened twice. I skipped Arimidex and Avodart for a

month, erection improved. I did not do blood test. Now

I am scratching my head, is it due to E2 or DHT or

both.

In my mind Avodart is an improved Proscar or Propecia.

There is so much discussion on other board how bad

Proscar is. Should not the discussion really be about

DHT levels? or there is something else that I am

missing?

At one point, after stopping Arimidex & Avodart I felt

as I should be able to have sex without Cialis. I

chickened out and took Cialis to play safe. I suspect

there is dose and frequency that would allow me to be

at that point, it is just hard to figure that out.

Comments?

Jan

--- philip georgian

wrote:

> Hi Jan yes I take Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as

> per my Dr. If my E2 goes to low I can't get morning

> wood. I don't need Cialis to have sex but my wife

> likes it real hard not 75% hard so I take Cialis.

> Also this is keeping my BP down so I don't need BP

> meds. If you don't need an ED pill and you get your

> E2 down to low taking a pill you still will not be

> able to get it up. So if I get up to go to the bath

> room in the middle of the night and it is not hard.

> When I wake that morning I try to get it up if I

> can't I stop taking my Arimidex. When I wood comes

> back I go back on it but cut the dose or take it

> every 4 days instead or every 3 days.

> Phil

>

> Jan Szulc wrote:

> Phil;

> you are advising to watch morning wood when

> attempting

> E2 regulation (using Arimidex). That will be ok if

> one

> did not used Cialis. Any coments on wood/E2 when

> Cialis is used? It is quite complicaed to balance

> Arimidex/Cialis/Avodart (variables), Androgel (10mg

> constant). I also take Super MiraForte and

> Dual-Action

> Cruciferous Vegetable Extract with Resveratrol

> from LEF, among other things. They contain I3C,

> Zinc,

> Maca, Chrysin. Like I said, lot of things to watch.

>

> Jan

>

> --- philip georgian

> wrote:

>

> > Jan yes 13 is to low I can't get it up below 15

> best

> > to stay at or around 20. Stop taking it until you

> > can get it up.

> > Phil

> >

> > Jan Szulc wrote:

> > Thanks for your concern, Phil.

> > I am not stopping my 10mg Androgel with my balls

> > half

> > gone. If anything I would have to rebuilt them

> first

> > (with HCG).

> > First I would like to talk to that doctor, he is

> > relatively close. I hope Bob will post doctor's

> name

> > and phone.

> > I wonder if taking 1mg Arimidex per day and having

> > E2=13 is a stable condition.

> >

> > I still will have to addres my enlarged prostate.

> > For a month I have stopped my daily Avodart, I had

> a

> > hard time to get erection even when using Cialis.

> > Now

> > I am back to Avodart but I take it once per week.

> > Cialis I cut in half and take it day before and

> the

> > other half right before sex. Hope that will work.

> > Jan

> >

> > --- philip georgian

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Jan and anyone that wants to try just doing

> > Arimidex

> > > be dam carefull what your doing. If you have

> been

> > > on TRT for some time and your Primiary forget

> it.

> > > Doing TRT shuts down your HPTA this is why

> anyone

> > on

> > > TRT gets small testis. The men it the study were

> > > over weight and over 60 with working testis.

> There

> > > T levels were low because the E2 was filling the

> > > cells in there body and the brain can't tell the

> > > diffeence between the two. So when E2 fills the

> > > cells the brain stops sending the messages to

> the

> > > testis to make more T. My Dr. has had a least

> 75%

> > > of the men ending up on TRT after trying this

> > there

> > > testis just could not keep up. So most men are

> > like

> > > this for yrs. and there testis are not working

> > > because of the high E2 levels. My Dr. feels and

> so

> > > does Dr. that in these men the testis can't

> > > keep up with the new amount of LH and FSH being

> > sent

> > > to the testis to make more T so they get over

> > worked

> > > or can't keep up and the guys end up on TRT

> > because

> > > there levels go

> > > back down.

> > >

> > > I am not saying don't try this I am saying think

> > > about it dam good because when you crash after

> > > stopping TRT your going to feel a lot worse then

> > you

> > > did before you started on TRT. And I can't see

> > > anyone doing 1mg. of Arimidex everyday and not

> > being

> > > on TRT with out going to low. If your not over

> 60

> > > and fat your E2 levels are going way down doing

> > > Arimidex at 1mg. a day.

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > jansz wrote:

> > > Bob

> > > Thanks for posting about this interesting new

> > > treatment.

> > > I live 25 miles west of Manhattan, would you

> mind

> > > giving me the name

> > > and phone of your doctor.

> > > I am on 10mg Androgel for about last two years,

> my

> > > current LH and FSH

> > > <0.3 and my testis are shrunk. I also take

> > (without

> > > doctors

> > > prescription) half pill (1/2mg) Arimidex about

> 4x

> > > week.

> > > Before Anrogel LH 5.7 (1.5-9.3), prolactin 7.2

> > > (2.1-17.7) I guess I

> > > would have to restart my testis (with HGH)

> before

> > I

> > > could switch to

> > > Arimidex only. My Insurance pays for Androgel

> but

> > if

> > > I could live

> > > with out it why bother.

> > >

> > > Additionally, I suspect I could benefit from

> some

> > > Armour for my

> > > thyroid.

> > > It is basically ok, but I think it could be

> > helped.

> > > I think one of the signs of struggling thyroid

> is

> > > low DHEA.

> > > Before supplementing I was quite low on DHEA 118

> > > (400-500), now DHEA

> > > 328 on 250mg DHEA supplement daily, I increased

> > > supplementing to

> > > 300mg but not yet tested.

> > > Current TSH 2.985

> > > FreeT4-3.1 (1.2-4.9) best in upper1/4 range

> > > (3.9-4.9)

> > > FreeT3-3.6 (2.3-4.2) best in upper 1/4 range

> > > (3.7-4.2)

> > > Comments?

> > > Jan

> > >

> >

>

====================================================================

> > >

> > > >

> > > > My only prior post was a contribution a few

> days

> > > ago to the

> > > exercise

> > > > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> > > report on a new

> > > > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> > > bloodwork. Now's

> > > the

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg

> > of

> > > Arimidex

> > > > **instead** of testosterone replacement

> therapy,

> > > and this puts me

> > > in

> > > > the high range of normal for T with a nice

> level

> > > of estradiol. Who

>

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September 1, 2006

I gauge my level of E2 by my morning wood and I am on Cialis 20 mgs. every 72

hrs. as per my Dr. So if I don't get wood I check it in the morning before I

get out of bed If I can't get it up I know my E2 has gone to low. If you get

morning wood go by this if you don't go on Cialis start at 10mgs. most men with

there E2 in the zone will get good morning wood. So if I can't get it up I stop

the arimidex most men that have tried this find it works dam good for them.

When wood starts back up I go back on arimidex but do less. There are months

where my levels will end up on the high side and I need to take more this is why

we need to do testing every 6 to 8 weeks. I have talked to a lot of men that

took Avodart or Properica and lost there sex life and had a hell of a time

getting it back.

http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

I don't care what they name it it is not good to take for anything.

Phil

jansz <aszulc@...> wrote:

Phil;

Thanks for the link on DHT.

What got my attention there is a statement that higher DHT actually

helps someone (like me) with enlarged prostate (BHP) and PSA around

4. Quote " The resulting change in the hormonal milieu (high DHT, low

estrogen) then apparently results in a regression of BPH. The

clinical application of this theory is discussed in US patent

5,648,350 Dihydrotestosterone for use in androgenotherapy. End quote.

My E2 (on Arimidex) is not high, it is in good range, E2 26(0-53) LEF

(10-30), Estrone 74(12-72)(high), Estrogen Total 65 (40-115), DHT (on

daily Avodart) 29(30-85). After I started Avodart I have noted some

improvement in voiding, nothing really drastic.

Mainstream thinking is, use Avodart it helps voiding it also lovers

PSA. Elswere I have read that the chemical in PSA actually promotes

PCancer, so lowering it would be good thing. So many different

opinions, what to do.

-----------

Since I have found prescription free way to buy Armour,

http://www.smart-drugs.net/ias-order-Intro.htm#Thyroid

I plan on buying it and see how much difference it would make. Last

year advisor from LEF suggested little Armour for me but I had no

place to get it. He did not spelled out, but I think that was mostly

due to my low (then) DHEA.

Just loudly contemplating my options.

Jan

> > > > >

> > > > > My only prior post was a contribution a few

> > days

> > > > ago to the

> > > > exercise

> > > > > thread. I promised that I would have more to

> > > > report on a new

> > > > > protocol I'm following once I got the followup

> > > > bloodwork. Now's

> > > > the

> > > > > time.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'll start with the conclusion: I'm now on 1mg

> > > of

> > > > Arimidex

> > > > > **instead** of testosterone replacement

> > therapy,

> > > > and this puts me

> > > > in

> > > > > the high range of normal for T with a nice

> > level

> > > > of estradiol. Who

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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