Re: Correcting low/normal testosterone? T 12, FSH 2.2, LH 3.7

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Powerful knowledge Phil. Your story reminds me of Slumdog Millionare. You've

paid a very high price in your life for your answers. Thabk you.

In , philip georgian <.> wrote:

>

> I am so dam sorry your going through this crap for one thing Testosterone is

good for your heart why do I say this I just am getting over Heart Bypass

sugary. My Heart Dr. was a Endo in Italy treating people for low hormones and

Pituitary problems like mine. When I seen him I was on TRT for 27 yrs he tried

to do a Coronary angioplasty but the blockage was very old and calcified and it

would not work. So he passed me off to a Heart Surgeon this Dr. took me off my

TRT and other hormones that I needed. In doing so it dam near killed me. My

first heart Dr. later told me had he known this Surgeon was going to do this he

would have stopped him. I was out could 17 weeks died 5 x's and had one

infection after the other a very long story.

>

> But what I am trying to say here is your Dr.'s did not take care of you the

right ways. If your Testosterone levels were low this might be way you had a

heart attack in the first place you see the heart is a muscle and your body

needs Testosterone to keep your joints and muscles healthy.

>

> We have a member here Reto he Sneezed and I think he broke 3 rips this is how

he found out he has low testosterone.

>

> Your on a very low dose of Androgel taking this low dose for some men brings

up there Testosterone levels but most of us it lowers it. This happens because

your brain sees the T in your blood and stops sending the LH and FSH messages to

your Testis to make the Testosterone you were making before doing Andorgel. So

lets say your levels were at 300 you go on the gel they go up to 500 so the gel

upped your levels 200 points. Now your brain sees this and stops sending the

messages to your testis they stop working and all your left with is what the gel

is doing 200.

>

> So all I am saying is you need to be retested in 2 weeks to be sure the gel is

getting though your skin and working. In your case I feel you need to stress

this point big time. You might need to take more androgle.

>

> Also if your Cortisol levels are low do to all this you have been through your

not going to heal very fast. I have a bad bed sore on my butt and it's been 6

months that I have been out of the hosp. and it is still not healed. Make sure

you don't have Adrenal Insufficiency and I am not talking about 's. If

your cortisol morning fasting blood test is below 15 you should do a 4x's in a

day Saliva test to see how bad your levels are through out the day.

>

> I am on Corter a HC med to support my adreanls one would start on this 2.5 mgs

and go up 2.5 mgs every 4 to 5 days until your doing 5 mgs 4x's a day when your

do this if your levels are low your healing will take off.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

>

> > From: Jim B <.>

> > Subject: Re: Correcting low/normal testosterone? T 12, FSH

2.2, LH 3.7

> > To:

> > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:00 AM

> > I have to sya something. SInce

> > Testosterone plays a really BIg role in your body, more

> > research NEEDS to be done. I was jsut in voled in a car

> > accident over 2 months ago, spliintered my tibia nd fibia.

> > Its been put back tog ether 29th 10  pins and a plate

> > andlast week the doc told me there is yet to be any evidence

> > of healing seen in the exray. WHY one big reason is my T

> > levels are on the flor and the T is necessary for those

> > bones to heal. SEveral of my regular docs like my PCP,

> > Endovrin, Urologist have known about it for a while anad

> > have just let it soled ecuase they are all afraid to pick a

> > treatment due to a severe. heart attack i had 7 yrs ago. So

> > now the orth surfeon said its going to take  a LOT

> > longer, she sent me to an Ortho onvologist to sort out the

> > metabolic problems, inclusing the T. I will be lucky if it

> > heals by December now That wil be 6 months. The doc said she

> > should see signs int he xray indicating that its almost

> > healed already, isntead therer is theopposite. no evidence

> > of an healing yet. I am taking 4 pumps Andogel daily and

> > have togo back for re-eval on the T, healing etc 9-6-09

> > Jim

> >   Re: Correcting low/normal

> > testosterone? T 12, FSH 2.2, LH 3.7

> >

> >

> >     Jonny,

> >

> >   I concur with Phil. Testosterone therapy is

> > generally replacement, not supplementation. You will only

> > get away with using less T cream, injection, Androgel, or

> > whatever other source of T for about 2 weeks before the

> > testes shut down production, thereafter requiring the same

> > replacement dose that other guys are on (100 mg/wk or so

> > testosterone for injections). There was someone in this

> > group who reported that his doctor tried to " kickstart " the

> > testes into natural production by allowing them to rest for

> > a month and supplying exogenous testosterone during that

> > time, with the hope that when the month was over and

> > exogenous testosterone was discontinued, the testes would

> > " rebound " (eventually) and produce more than they were

> > before their vacation. I've only read of this and have not

> > heard the factual, clinical basis of it.

> >

> >   I believe there could be a risk of permanent

> > suppression, though that is speculation from a similar

> > scenario but with different dosages. For bodybuilders (using

> > 5 x as much T as us, if not more), there is evidence that

> > when they discontinue using steroids and their " post cycle "

> > recovery is over, they produce less T than they did before

> > their cycle. This was further compounded by using huge

> > quantities of hCG after their cycle, which probably caused

> > their testosterone producing (Leydig) cells to become

> > desensitized.

> >

> >   You may wind up with the same or lower T levels

> > permanently after starting and discontinuing Clomid. The

> > same result may occur after starting and discontinuing hCG.

> > You may also end up elevating estradiol, since the testes

> > also produce estrogen.

> >

> >   At medicine's current stage, testosterone

> > replacement therapy is for life. If your T doesn't go

> > higher, you might want to seek testosterone replacement

> > therapy. Without medical intervention, your T will continue

> > to go down with age.

> >

> >   ~Xian

> >

> >   > > Do you know if there's any risk in

> > permenant suppression

> >   > > from testosterone cream if Im only low

> > normal, so wont be

> >   > > using as much as poeple with actual low

> > testostone? or if

> >   > > there's the same risk with Clomid or HCG?

> >   > > If its low now then Id like to treat it,

> > but if there's

> >   > > risk of permenant suppression, Id want to

> > wait until thyroid

> >   > > is optimal to see if testosterone comes up

> > by itself.

> >   > >

> >   > > Thanks

> >   > > Jonny

> >   > >

> >   > >

> >   > >

> >   > > ------------------------------------

> >   > >

> >   > >

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:22:10 -0000, you wrote:

>Yeah, I was sooooooo unmotivated. I just coun't get going till like 2pm each

day. Its hard to understand. My mind would WANT to do something, but my body

didn't care.

That's as good a description of low T as I've ever heard.

[Guest guest]

Your Wecome I just hope my story helps you out you need to find Dr.'s that are

in the know about low Testosterone. To many Dr.'s don't know about it and

instead of saying so they come up with this BULL SHI*. Not knowing they are

taking one life away.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Jim B <.>

> > > Subject: Re: Correcting low/normal

> testosterone? T 12, FSH 2.2, LH 3.7

> > > To:

> > > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:00 AM

> > > I have to sya something. SInce

> > > Testosterone plays a really BIg role in your

> body, more

> > > research NEEDS to be done. I was jsut in voled in

> a car

> > > accident over 2 months ago, spliintered my tibia

> nd fibia.

> > > Its been put back tog ether 29th 10  pins and a

> plate

> > > andlast week the doc told me there is yet to be

> any evidence

> > > of healing seen in the exray. WHY one big reason

> is my T

> > > levels are on the flor and the T is necessary for

> those

> > > bones to heal. SEveral of my regular docs like my

> PCP,

> > > Endovrin, Urologist have known about it for a

> while anad

> > > have just let it soled ecuase they are all afraid

> to pick a

> > > treatment due to a severe. heart attack i had 7

> yrs ago. So

> > > now the orth surfeon said its going to take  a

> LOT

> > > longer, she sent me to an Ortho onvologist to

> sort out the

> > > metabolic problems, inclusing the T. I will be

> lucky if it

> > > heals by December now That wil be 6 months. The

> doc said she

> > > should see signs int he xray indicating that its

> almost

> > > healed already, isntead therer is theopposite. no

> evidence

> > > of an healing yet. I am taking 4 pumps Andogel

> daily and

> > > have togo back for re-eval on the T, healing etc

> 9-6-09

> > > Jim

> > >   Re: Correcting

> low/normal

> > > testosterone? T 12, FSH 2.2, LH 3.7

> > >

> > >

> > >     Jonny,

> > >

> > >   I concur with Phil. Testosterone therapy is

> > > generally replacement, not supplementation. You

> will only

> > > get away with using less T cream, injection,

> Androgel, or

> > > whatever other source of T for about 2 weeks

> before the

> > > testes shut down production, thereafter requiring

> the same

> > > replacement dose that other guys are on (100

> mg/wk or so

> > > testosterone for injections). There was someone

> in this

> > > group who reported that his doctor tried to

> " kickstart " the

> > > testes into natural production by allowing them

> to rest for

> > > a month and supplying exogenous testosterone

> during that

> > > time, with the hope that when the month was over

> and

> > > exogenous testosterone was discontinued, the

> testes would

> > > " rebound " (eventually) and produce more than they

> were

> > > before their vacation. I've only read of this and

> have not

> > > heard the factual, clinical basis of it.

> > >

> > >   I believe there could be a risk of permanent

> > > suppression, though that is speculation from a

> similar

> > > scenario but with different dosages. For

> bodybuilders (using

> > > 5 x as much T as us, if not more), there is

> evidence that

> > > when they discontinue using steroids and their

> " post cycle "

> > > recovery is over, they produce less T than they

> did before

> > > their cycle. This was further compounded by using

> huge

> > > quantities of hCG after their cycle, which

> probably caused

> > > their testosterone producing (Leydig) cells to

> become

> > > desensitized.

> > >

> > >   You may wind up with the same or lower T

> levels

> > > permanently after starting and discontinuing

> Clomid. The

> > > same result may occur after starting and

> discontinuing hCG.

> > > You may also end up elevating estradiol, since

> the testes

> > > also produce estrogen.

> > >

> > >   At medicine's current stage, testosterone

> > > replacement therapy is for life. If your T

> doesn't go

> > > higher, you might want to seek testosterone

> replacement

> > > therapy. Without medical intervention, your T

> will continue

> > > to go down with age.

> > >

> > >   ~Xian

> > >

> > >   > > Do you know if there's any risk in

> > > permenant suppression

> > >   > > from testosterone cream if Im only

> low

> > > normal, so wont be

> > >   > > using as much as poeple with actual

> low

> > > testostone? or if

> > >   > > there's the same risk with Clomid or

> HCG?

> > >   > > If its low now then Id like to treat

> it,

> > > but if there's

> > >   > > risk of permenant suppression, Id

> want to

> > > wait until thyroid

> > >   > > is optimal to see if testosterone

> comes up

> > > by itself.

> > >   > >

> > >   > > Thanks

> > >   > > Jonny

> > >   > >

> > >   > >

> > >   > >

> > >   > >

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> > >   > >

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