Re: Can anyone help me with some advice?

[Guest guest]

Very hard to tell without the units in your test results.

Phil

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got extremely low

libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

LH: 2 (<9)

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

SHBG: 33 (10-70)

Prolactin: 160 (<500)

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

treating the problem? Cheers....

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:58:07 -0000, you wrote:

>I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got extremely low

>libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

>hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

>can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

>Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

>Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

>FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

>LH: 2 (<9)

>Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

>SHBG: 33 (10-70)

>Prolactin: 160 (<500)

>TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

>Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

>treating the problem? Cheers....

Read the AACE guidelines in the file section.

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Based on your FSH and LH being so low, it would appear you are secondary because

your Total T is in the mid-range. However, your free T is low. Look into clomid

as a possible way to re-set your axis. Do a search on the internet. A lot of the

body builders do this. That may be a good place to start looking. How is your

libido and performance - still OK?

Just my 2 cents based on the data - Arkansas

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got extremely low

libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

LH: 2 (<9)

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

SHBG: 33 (10-70)

Prolactin: 160 (<500)

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

treating the problem? Cheers....

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[Guest guest]

i still dont understand howe there are so many diffwerant ranges my testosterone

was 7.6 nmol range 6-27 so how come i see others as this one at 11-40??

surely 21 is a very good level of testosterone but yes the free t is low

can anyone explain these ranges ,surely all should be working from same range or

at least in each country the range should be set,why the differances ??

regards paul

Re: Can anyone help me with some advice?

Based on your FSH and LH being so low, it would appear you are secondary because

your Total T is in the mid-range. However, your free T is low. Look into clomid

as a possible way to re-set your axis. Do a search on the internet. A lot of the

body builders do this. That may be a good place to start looking. How is your

libido and performance - still OK?

Just my 2 cents based on the data - Arkansas

j89 <john8888889. au> wrote:

I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got extremely low

libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

LH: 2 (<9)

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

SHBG: 33 (10-70)

Prolactin: 160 (<500)

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

treating the problem? Cheers....

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[Guest guest]

Hey paul, you seem in good spirits.

Yea, the ranges tend to be confusing. Perhaps, it

should be one standard instead of individual standards

based on individual countries. Naturally, the language

should be in English but varies from country too

country.

Good to read Dan seems content.

--- paul wey <promachief@...> wrote:

> i still dont understand howe there are so many

> diffwerant ranges my testosterone was 7.6 nmol range

> 6-27 so how come i see others as this one at 11-40??

>

> surely 21 is a very good level of testosterone but

> yes the free t is low

>

> can anyone explain these ranges ,surely all should

> be working from same range or at least in each

> country the range should be set,why the differances

> ??

>

> regards paul

>

>

> Re: Can anyone help me with

> some advice?

>

> Based on your FSH and LH being so low, it would

> appear you are secondary because your Total T is in

> the mid-range. However, your free T is low. Look

> into clomid as a possible way to re-set your axis.

> Do a search on the internet. A lot of the body

> builders do this. That may be a good place to start

> looking. How is your libido and performance - still

> OK?

>

> Just my 2 cents based on the data - Arkansas

>

> j89 <john8888889. au> wrote:

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have

> got extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i

> may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want

> to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i

> could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My libido and perfomance is non-existant.

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

>

>

>

>

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done faster.

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>

[Guest guest]

Here is the units as well-

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

LH: 2 (<9) U/L

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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call rates.

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>

[Guest guest]

My guess is even though your T is mid-range, you would benefit by higher levels.

We are all different and what might work for one guy doesn't always work for

someone else. Your Free T is also low. I would think a clomid test or use of HCG

would be in order. Is fertility an issue? Most doctors are going to be reluctant

to prescribe anything because your T is relatively high. Also you don't have a

lot of estradiol so thats not an issue. Have you had your total T tested prior?

Could be a bad test on total T.

Arkansas

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

Here is the units as well-

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

LH: 2 (<9) U/L

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

This was posted by Dr. on this thread.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/52566-free-testosterone-measure.h\

tml

Phil

Let me add a few observations to the original post:

Free T is reported in extremely small units of measure. This naturally adds to

unreliability. Also, Free T is not very stable in the collection tube.

In my experience, Free T doesn't change much outside of actual TRT dosage

changes. I don't think albumin or SHBG levels affect it to any real extent, as

it is such a tiny percentage of Total Testosterone anyway. Yes, I know this goes

against the grain of current thinking, but even inherent errors in testing, as

already described, can more than explain any change you see on a laboratory

printout.

The gold standard, without a doubt, is Bioavailable Testosterone.

I don't think the serum DHT assay has much validity. I have discussd this topic

at length with Drs Rothenberg, Shippen and Gordon. It is a very complicated and

frequently confusing issue. That is why I look at the ratios of various

metabolites on the urinary panel I run to assess true tissue DHT activity.

The 24 hour urinary panel also reveals the true amount of T available across the

day--especially important with TD's.

The HCG/aromatase relationship is why we must not give too much.

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PHYSICIAN FOR SPECIFIC DETAILS REGARDING YOUR MEDICAL CARE.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: My guess is even though

your T is mid-range, you would benefit by higher levels. We are all different

and what might work for one guy doesn't always work for someone else. Your Free

T is also low. I would think a clomid test or use of HCG would be in order. Is

fertility an issue? Most doctors are going to be reluctant to prescribe anything

because your T is relatively high. Also you don't have a lot of estradiol so

thats not an issue. Have you had your total T tested prior? Could be a bad test

on total T.

Arkansas

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

Here is the units as well-

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

LH: 2 (<9) U/L

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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call rates.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could be two things one your LH and FSH are way down can't see how your t levels

are as high as they are this can be that your secondary do to a Pituitary

problem get an MRI on it. Second you HTPA can be shut down from using Propecia

and you need to find a good Dr. that can get it started again. One is Dr.

he will work with your Dr. over the phone. www.allthingsmale.com.

Phil

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

Here is the units as well-

Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

LH: 2 (<9) U/L

Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

extremely low

> libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

>

> Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> LH: 2 (<9)

> Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

>

> Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> treating the problem? Cheers....

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

Phil, i got an x-ray of pituitry about a year ago and it came back

fine, ive also had an MRI of head in the last year and it also came

back fine - no MRI of pituitry though. I really think the finasteride

kicked this problem off, so i think it must be a HPTA problem. What do

you mean by " kick start it again " ? How do they do that? Do you mean

Clomid or somthing like that? I emailed Dr , so we will see if he

returns email, and will get in touch with him. Thanks for your help.

> > I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

> extremely low

> > libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> > hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> > can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

> >

> > Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> > Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> > FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> > LH: 2 (<9)

> > Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> > SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> > Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> > TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

> >

> > Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> > treating the problem? Cheers....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi there

An Xray will not show any problem with Pituitary that's why we have to have MRi

scan to

show soft-tissue. Even certain, mainly older MRi scanners, cannot show pituitary

problems

and a contrast will/may be needed.

Hope that helps?

On 21 Sep 2006 at 2:54, j89 wrote:

> Phil, i got an x-ray of pituitry about a year ago and it came back

> fine, ive also had an MRI of head in the last year and it also came

> back fine - no MRI of pituitry though. I really think the finasteride

> kicked this problem off, so i think it must be a HPTA problem. What do

> you mean by " kick start it again " ? How do they do that? Do you mean

> Clomid or somthing like that? I emailed Dr , so we will see if he

> returns email, and will get in touch with him. Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

> > Here is the units as well-

> >

> > Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

> > Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

> > FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

> > LH: 2 (<9) U/L

> > Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

> > SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

> > Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

> > TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> >

> > -

[Guest guest]

I thought a Cat-Scan would be a better choice to find

such a problem. I don't know the limitations of XRay's

and MRI's, but I understand Cat Scan's seek concerns

that are not visionable toward other tests and

devices.

And, you get a yummy drink as well.

--- Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

> Hi there

>

> An Xray will not show any problem with Pituitary

> that's why we have to have MRi scan to

> show soft-tissue. Even certain, mainly older MRi

> scanners, cannot show pituitary problems

> and a contrast will/may be needed.

>

> Hope that helps?

>

>

>

>

>

> On 21 Sep 2006 at 2:54, j89 wrote:

>

> > Phil, i got an x-ray of pituitry about a year ago

> and it came back

> > fine, ive also had an MRI of head in the last year

> and it also came

> > back fine - no MRI of pituitry though. I really

> think the finasteride

> > kicked this problem off, so i think it must be a

> HPTA problem. What do

> > you mean by " kick start it again " ? How do they do

> that? Do you mean

> > Clomid or somthing like that? I emailed Dr ,

> so we will see if he

> > returns email, and will get in touch with him.

> Thanks for your help.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Here is the units as well-

> > >

> > > Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40) nmol/L

> > > Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) pmol/L LOW

> > > FSH: 2 (3-20) U/L LOW

> > > LH: 2 (<9) U/L

> > > Oestradiol: 86 (55-165) pmol/L

> > > SHBG: 33 (10-70) nmol/L

> > > Prolactin: 160 (<500) mIU/L

> > > TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0) mU/L

> > >

> > > -

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>I thought a Cat-Scan would be a better choice to find

>such a problem. I don't know the limitations of XRay's

>and MRI's, but I understand Cat Scan's seek concerns

>that are not visionable toward other tests and

>devices.

>And, you get a yummy drink as well.

They each have things they are better at. MRIs do better for pituitary

adenomas.

________________

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice, youve all been very helpfull. I was just

wondering what is meant by a " pituitry problem " . Are we talking about

a tumour or some kind of disease? What would they be looking for on an

MRI. Its ok, im not particulrly worried about it, ive either got it or

i dont. Also, it will help me to explain to my doctor why i need to

get one done as he hasnt requested i need one yet.

> > I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

> extremely low

> > libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> > hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> > can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

> >

> > Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> > Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> > FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> > LH: 2 (<9)

> > Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> > SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> > Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> > TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

> >

> > Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> > treating the problem? Cheers....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> call rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What a pituitary problem means is your Pituitary is not sending enough LH and

FSH to your Testis to make enough T. This can be from a tumour or a bad head

injury here is a link on Pituitary.

http://www.pituitary.org/faq/

Phil

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

Thanks for your advice, youve all been very helpfull. I was just

wondering what is meant by a " pituitry problem " . Are we talking about

a tumour or some kind of disease? What would they be looking for on an

MRI. Its ok, im not particulrly worried about it, ive either got it or

i dont. Also, it will help me to explain to my doctor why i need to

get one done as he hasnt requested i need one yet.

> > I am from the finasteride side effects forum. I have got

> extremely low

> > libido. I have been told on the other forum that i may be secondary

> > hypogonadal. Ive got some test results and just want to see if anyone

> > can give me any advice as what might be the problem.

> >

> > Testosterone: 21.8 (11-40)

> > Free Testosterone: 31 (60-130) LOW

> > FSH: 2 (3-20) LOW

> > LH: 2 (<9)

> > Oestradiol: 86 (55-165)

> > SHBG: 33 (10-70)

> > Prolactin: 160 (<500)

> > TSH 2.3 (0.3-5.0)

> >

> > Has anyone got any advice on these numbers and how i could go about

> > treating the problem? Cheers....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone

> call rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:28:30 -0000, you wrote:

>Thanks for your advice, youve all been very helpfull. I was just

>wondering what is meant by a " pituitry problem " . Are we talking about

>a tumour or some kind of disease? What would they be looking for on an

>MRI. Its ok, im not particulrly worried about it, ive either got it or

>i dont. Also, it will help me to explain to my doctor why i need to

>get one done as he hasnt requested i need one yet.

The pituitary produces numerous hormones that control other hormone

production sites. It also receives hormones from the hypothalamus to

tell it what to do. It's very small and each hormone is produced in a

very small region of this small gland. Many people have small tumors,

adenomas, some studies suggest about 20% of us. But usually they are

benign. But depending where they are and their form they can results

in either higher or lower production of necessary hormones.

The MRI looks for these tumors. BTW many of these tumors respond to

medication very well. Especially the prolactinomas which result in

high prolactin which can cause low T.

But other things can damage the pituitary as well. Head injuries,

sleep apnea seems to be able to cause enough oxygen deprivation to

damage it, etc., etc. Most of us they never find out what leads the

pituitary to produce less LH and FSH and they just call it idiopathic

which translates to " we haven't got a clue, but it's happened. " The

MRI can also diagnose what's called empty sella. The sella is a

" saddle " shaped bone pocket which ordinarily encases and protects the

pituitary. But the pituitary can be shaken outside the sella or other

wise get out of it's pocket.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/emptysella/emptysella.htm

Various conditions can also push it out with fluid pressure.

The MRI is just a routine test to look for these. Probably 95% of

low T cases don't find anything there. And when they do about 90%

respond to medication.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:46:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>What a pituitary problem means is your Pituitary is not sending enough LH and

FSH to your Testis to make enough T. This can be from a tumour or a bad head

injury here is a link on Pituitary.

> http://www.pituitary.org/faq/

> Phil

There are many other pituitary problems and some that lead to low T.

Prolactinoma for example. Let's not forget sleep apnea to the cause

list and some suggest migraine may also result in low blood

flow/oxygen damage to the pituitary. the regions involved are so small

it evidently doesn't take much damage to have an impact.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advise Retro, very informative. One thing i dont

understand and Phil bought this up before is how can my LH, FSH and

Free Testosterone be so low, yet my Total Testosterone is mid range?

>

> >What a pituitary problem means is your Pituitary is not sending

enough LH and FSH to your Testis to make enough T. This can be from a

tumour or a bad head injury here is a link on Pituitary.

> > http://www.pituitary.org/faq/

> > Phil

>

>

> There are many other pituitary problems and some that lead to low T.

> Prolactinoma for example. Let's not forget sleep apnea to the cause

> list and some suggest migraine may also result in low blood

> flow/oxygen damage to the pituitary. the regions involved are so small

> it evidently doesn't take much damage to have an impact.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:01:34 -0000, you wrote:

>Thanks for the advise Retro, very informative. One thing i dont

>understand and Phil bought this up before is how can my LH, FSH and

>Free Testosterone be so low, yet my Total Testosterone is mid range?

It is odd. T though can be bound up and not available or " Free " by

albumin and SHBG.

Also I'd wonder if the tests were done right for LH and FSH. LH and

FSH are emitted in pulses and rapidly metabolized. The proper test

requires pooling several samples over a half hour. Sometimes they do a

24 hour urine catch to get the full days secretion rather than a blood

sample.

If I remember correctly you're not on TRT. If you are the T test may

be high if you use a gel and they sampled from that area.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

No im not on TRT. The strange part is that my SHBG is mid range - 33

(10-70). If i am producing enough Testosterone, yet my free T is low,

it must be getting bound up somewhere and if its not SHBG and its not

converting to estrogen, then where is it going? Could alubmin be

binding it and if so what can i do about that? The LH ive only had

tested once, so it could be wrong, but the FSH ive had tested 3 times

and all come back low. Any ideas?

>

> >Thanks for the advise Retro, very informative. One thing i dont

> >understand and Phil bought this up before is how can my LH, FSH and

> >Free Testosterone be so low, yet my Total Testosterone is mid range?

>

>

> It is odd. T though can be bound up and not available or " Free " by

> albumin and SHBG.

>

> Also I'd wonder if the tests were done right for LH and FSH. LH and

> FSH are emitted in pulses and rapidly metabolized. The proper test

> requires pooling several samples over a half hour. Sometimes they do a

> 24 hour urine catch to get the full days secretion rather than a blood

> sample.

>

> If I remember correctly you're not on TRT. If you are the T test may

> be high if you use a gel and they sampled from that area.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:10:11 -0000, you wrote:

>No im not on TRT. The strange part is that my SHBG is mid range - 33

>(10-70). If i am producing enough Testosterone, yet my free T is low,

>it must be getting bound up somewhere and if its not SHBG and its not

>converting to estrogen, then where is it going? Could alubmin be

>binding it and if so what can i do about that? The LH ive only had

>tested once, so it could be wrong, but the FSH ive had tested 3 times

>and all come back low. Any ideas?

My GP ran a test for albumin.

High albumin levels usually reflect dehydration

(http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/albumin/test.html).

Drugs that can increase albumin measurements include anabolic

steroids, androgens, growth hormone, and insulin

(http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/albumin/test.html).

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

j89 go to this site and post this problem to Dr. I am sure he will have an

answer.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/

Phil

j89 <john8888889@...> wrote:

No im not on TRT. The strange part is that my SHBG is mid range - 33

(10-70). If i am producing enough Testosterone, yet my free T is low,

it must be getting bound up somewhere and if its not SHBG and its not

converting to estrogen, then where is it going? Could alubmin be

binding it and if so what can i do about that? The LH ive only had

tested once, so it could be wrong, but the FSH ive had tested 3 times

and all come back low. Any ideas?

>

> >Thanks for the advise Retro, very informative. One thing i dont

> >understand and Phil bought this up before is how can my LH, FSH and

> >Free Testosterone be so low, yet my Total Testosterone is mid range?

>

>

> It is odd. T though can be bound up and not available or " Free " by

> albumin and SHBG.

>

> Also I'd wonder if the tests were done right for LH and FSH. LH and

> FSH are emitted in pulses and rapidly metabolized. The proper test

> requires pooling several samples over a half hour. Sometimes they do a

> 24 hour urine catch to get the full days secretion rather than a blood

> sample.

>

> If I remember correctly you're not on TRT. If you are the T test may

> be high if you use a gel and they sampled from that area.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

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