Re: Test Cyp - Timing

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Ok to hell w/my endo. Im not even gonna mess with the every other

week 200mg shots. I'm going straight to the 1x/100mg shots and will

just tell him when I test in 2 monthts that after 6 weeks didnt like

swings and went to 1x week. That way at least he will know how to

evaluate the test results. Or more likely how I can explain to him.

Anyways a question....

Since I took a 200mg shot last Wednesday. When should I start the

100mg shots. Im thinking of starting on Thanksgiving Day - which

would be Day 8 and then every Thursday after. Any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a peak.

ive

> > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > initial

> > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day since.

This

> > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make it

to 1

> > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > >

> > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

level.

> > >

> > >

> >

> Hey,

> The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and doing

> good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

gave me

> a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

little

> better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

suspect

> I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming to a

> lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better with

> 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I was

on

> that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start to

> level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

every

> Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

night

> comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with the

> fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

situation. I

> get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I don't

> take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally get

a

> level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

don't

> stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

through

> caring people like in this forums.

>

> God Bless,

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Give it to that point if only to see how you feel after 1 week. If

you're following the same pattern I was, you should be in the mid-to-

high end range of T level by Thanksgiving and can better judge your

next course of action.

Rich

> > > >

> > > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a

peak.

> ive

> > > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > > initial

> > > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day since.

> This

> > > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make

it

> to 1

> > > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

> level.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > Hey,

> > The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and

doing

> > good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

> gave me

> > a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> > be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

> little

> > better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

> suspect

> > I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming to

a

> > lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better

with

> > 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I was

> on

> > that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start to

> > level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

> every

> > Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

> night

> > comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with

the

> > fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> > normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

> situation. I

> > get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I don't

> > take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally

get

> a

> > level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

> don't

> > stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

> through

> > caring people like in this forums.

> >

> > God Bless,

> > Chris

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That will work don't worry about going to high doing this and you should be good

by the next shot you can feel a little low by then but it will level off.

Phil

wondering2one <hopefully1000@...> wrote:

Ok to hell w/my endo. Im not even gonna mess with the every other

week 200mg shots. I'm going straight to the 1x/100mg shots and will

just tell him when I test in 2 monthts that after 6 weeks didnt like

swings and went to 1x week. That way at least he will know how to

evaluate the test results. Or more likely how I can explain to him.

Anyways a question....

Since I took a 200mg shot last Wednesday. When should I start the

100mg shots. Im thinking of starting on Thanksgiving Day - which

would be Day 8 and then every Thursday after. Any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a peak.

ive

> > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > initial

> > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day since.

This

> > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make it

to 1

> > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > >

> > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

level.

> > >

> > >

> >

> Hey,

> The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and doing

> good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

gave me

> a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

little

> better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

suspect

> I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming to a

> lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better with

> 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I was

on

> that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start to

> level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

every

> Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

night

> comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with the

> fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

situation. I

> get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I don't

> take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally get

a

> level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

don't

> stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

through

> caring people like in this forums.

>

> God Bless,

> Chris

>

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Ok Day 4 (yesterday) after taking first 200mg Test Cyp injection was

my best day for mood, but amazingly libido is low as it gets. Makes

sense that erectile function would be worse after coming off ANdro

(andro tends to drive up DHT). So I guess erectile function and

libido will take time to come around ...maybe a few months.

Today is Day 5 and seems like Im slipping a little. Interesting to

see how I feel the next 2 days and then Thursday Im gonna do 100mg

shot again.

Hope im on the right path. Im sick of waiting as life goes by....

> > > >

> > > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a

peak.

> ive

> > > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > > initial

> > > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day

since.

> This

> > > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make

it

> to 1

> > > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

> level.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > Hey,

> > The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and

doing

> > good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

> gave me

> > a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> > be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

> little

> > better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

> suspect

> > I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming

to a

> > lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better

with

> > 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I

was

> on

> > that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start

to

> > level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

> every

> > Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

> night

> > comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with

the

> > fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> > normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

> situation. I

> > get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I

don't

> > take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally

get

> a

> > level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

> don't

> > stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

> through

> > caring people like in this forums.

> >

> > God Bless,

> > Chris

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> > > > >

> > > > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a

> peak.

> > ive

> > > > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > > > initial

> > > > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day

> since.

> > This

> > > > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make

> it

> > to 1

> > > > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

> > level.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Hey,

> > > The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and

> doing

> > > good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

> > gave me

> > > a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> > > be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

> > little

> > > better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

> > suspect

> > > I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming

> to a

> > > lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better

> with

> > > 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I

> was

> > on

> > > that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start

> to

> > > level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

> > every

> > > Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

> > night

> > > comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with

> the

> > > fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> > > normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

> > situation. I

> > > get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I

> don't

> > > take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally

> get

> > a

> > > level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

> > don't

> > > stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

> > through

> > > caring people like in this forums.

> > >

> > > God Bless,

> > > Chris

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Your on the right track and yes libido will come back fast as long as your E2 is

not to high or low.

Phil

wondering2one <hopefully1000@...> wrote:

Ok Day 4 (yesterday) after taking first 200mg Test Cyp injection was

my best day for mood, but amazingly libido is low as it gets. Makes

sense that erectile function would be worse after coming off ANdro

(andro tends to drive up DHT). So I guess erectile function and

libido will take time to come around ...maybe a few months.

Today is Day 5 and seems like Im slipping a little. Interesting to

see how I feel the next 2 days and then Thursday Im gonna do 100mg

shot again.

Hope im on the right path. Im sick of waiting as life goes by....

> > > >

> > > > Here's my issue.. roller coaster ride assumes there is a

peak.

> ive

> > > > only had the trough. Came off Androgel 4 days ago and had an

> > > initial

> > > > 200mg IM Test Cyp injection. I've felt worse every day

since.

> This

> > > > is day 4. So, nevermind getting to 2 weeks I wont even make

it

> to 1

> > > > week. The feelinss I have I know I am at a Total T of 300ish.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible a 200mg IM injection has done NOTHIN to my T

> level.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > Hey,

> > The identical thing is happening to me. I was on Androgel and

doing

> > good ( not great but progress ) and switched to the shot. They

> gave me

> > a 200mg shot Thursday and I have had two bad days. It seems to

> > be....'super slowly' coming around right now. This evening is a

> little

> > better than last. Would be my 3rd night after the shot now. I

> suspect

> > I also had too high an injection. Im looking forward to coming

to a

> > lower dose because I think I was on the path to feeling better

with

> > 7.5mg Androgel per day and I am worse feeling now than when I

was

> on

> > that dose of gel. Hopefully, in the upcoming week, I will start

to

> > level out and do the 100mg shot myself on Thanksgiving day and

> every

> > Thursday after. I seem to be able to handle the day, but as the

> night

> > comes around, I feel wiped out. My situation is compounded with

the

> > fact that I don't sleep without AmbienCR every night. If I slept

> > normally and recovered with restful sleep, it may help my

> situation. I

> > get about 5 hours of sleep per night with that pill and if I

don't

> > take it...Im lucky to get 2-3. I'm praying that when I finally

get

> a

> > level Testosterone balance, my sleep pattern will improve. Just

> don't

> > stop looking for answers...God gives them to you in whispers

> through

> > caring people like in this forums.

> >

> > God Bless,

> > Chris

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Chris-

Hang in there. Believe it or not, how you react to a certain dose

after a week is worth its weight in gold as far as information to you

and your Dr. Some guys react great to 200mg T, others don't.The

feeling of tiredness could also be due to T converting to Estradiol.

Generally, all this'll wash out of your system in a couple of days

anyway. That's the problem with trying to figure out things like

symptoms through postings. We're assuming that everything is related

to low T levels, and not adrenal fatique, or thyroid, any of that.

The next thing is to get blood tests. That'll give you a number to go

with the feelings.

I've done pretty good on 80mg/week, although I've been shortening the

number of days lately. I have -not- changed the dose itself (up or

down), I've found that doesn't seem to work near as well.

Personally, I value the feeling of energy and well-being over libido.

The increase is energy to me was both vague and well defined at the

same time. And I'm not sure I could pin down when I noticed it

exactly. It was more subtle than I thought.

When I'd walk across a room and I'd see a piece of paper or something

on the floor, -before- TRT, I would stop, groan a bit inwardly and

slowly reach down to pick it up - or look at it, say to hell with it

and just leave it there. -After- TRT, I would just swoop down with

one hand and scoop it up, all without breaking stride.

When I'm walking through a shopping mall, I guess my pace now tends

to be a bit brisk. If someone is walking with me, they'll say " why

the hell are you walking so fast? " and I'll say I didn't realise I

was.I can't leap over tall buildings in a single bound with TRT, but

I might consider scaling it one brick at a time. Not that I'd

probably actually do it, but then again I wouldn't instantly dismiss

it out of hand. I'd give it more thought than I would before TRT; the

mind seems to accept the possibilities more, of things in general.

Just my take on the " energy " thing.

Rich

> I feel we are in the same boat my friend. I also am on my 5th day

> after a 200mg shot and with having stopped 7.5 mg Androgel. I too

feel

> not the greatest, but somewhat ok. It has been almost a year for me

> feeling like this and finally, I hope to start feeling normal in the

> upcoming weeks. Keep posting about how you feel. For me..mood is

> stable today, but really don't have any energy. Very tired feeling.

>

> God Bless,

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Chris-

> Hang in there. Believe it or not, how you react to a certain dose

> after a week is worth its weight in gold as far as information to you

> and your Dr. Some guys react great to 200mg T, others don't.The

> feeling of tiredness could also be due to T converting to Estradiol.

> Generally, all this'll wash out of your system in a couple of days

> anyway. That's the problem with trying to figure out things like

> symptoms through postings. We're assuming that everything is related

> to low T levels, and not adrenal fatique, or thyroid, any of that.

> The next thing is to get blood tests. That'll give you a number to go

> with the feelings.

>

> I've done pretty good on 80mg/week, although I've been shortening the

> number of days lately. I have -not- changed the dose itself (up or

> down), I've found that doesn't seem to work near as well.

>

> Personally, I value the feeling of energy and well-being over libido.

> The increase is energy to me was both vague and well defined at the

> same time. And I'm not sure I could pin down when I noticed it

> exactly. It was more subtle than I thought.

>

> When I'd walk across a room and I'd see a piece of paper or something

> on the floor, -before- TRT, I would stop, groan a bit inwardly and

> slowly reach down to pick it up - or look at it, say to hell with it

> and just leave it there. -After- TRT, I would just swoop down with

> one hand and scoop it up, all without breaking stride.

> When I'm walking through a shopping mall, I guess my pace now tends

> to be a bit brisk. If someone is walking with me, they'll say " why

> the hell are you walking so fast? " and I'll say I didn't realise I

> was.I can't leap over tall buildings in a single bound with TRT, but

> I might consider scaling it one brick at a time. Not that I'd

> probably actually do it, but then again I wouldn't instantly dismiss

> it out of hand. I'd give it more thought than I would before TRT; the

> mind seems to accept the possibilities more, of things in general.

> Just my take on the " energy " thing.

> Rich

>

>

> > I feel we are in the same boat my friend. I also am on my 5th day

> > after a 200mg shot and with having stopped 7.5 mg Androgel. I too

> feel

> > not the greatest, but somewhat ok. It has been almost a year for me

> > feeling like this and finally, I hope to start feeling normal in the

> > upcoming weeks. Keep posting about how you feel. For me..mood is

> > stable today, but really don't have any energy. Very tired feeling.

> >

> > God Bless,

> > Chris

> >

>

Rich,

I too feel that mood/energy is my top priority. Sexual function is at

the bottom end of my priority list. I just want to feel good again and

have a little energy to do normal things. I can have sex

still...really don't have a libido, but I still have a 50% erection

and can reach an orgasm, so I should count my blessings. I used to

have great sex and solid erections...and I do miss that, but most of

all I miss my sense of well being and being a guy in a good mood. If I

have to make a trade off...I would make the same choice as

you....energy/mood.

God Bless,

Chris