Re: Help! Got my HGC today but I'm confused how to use it?

[Guest guest]

>

> I got 10,000 USP Units of HGC and some water called Bacteriostatic

> water. My syringe is coming today, and I'd really appreciate if

> someone could tell me how to use it.

I hope you're getting more than one syringe.

> The instructions don't mention

> the bacteriostatic water at all, and the 10,000 USP Units looks like

> some tiny white dust that barely looks 1/4th full.

>

Yes, you probably have 10ml of bacteriostatic water.

> Never given myself a shot before, I assume the water is to help get

> the HCG flowing, but I want to be safe and ask any questions. I

> don't want to screw something up.

>

You'll use the syringe to remove the water from its vial. Then you'll

add the water to the vial with the powder. Then you'll draw up part

of the reconstituted solution when you are ready to administer your dose.

> I'm taking 1000 UI's twice a week. How do I know how much 1,000 IU's

> are? Will it say on the syringe the levels?

The vial has 10,000IU of drug. You'll be adding 10ml of water. So

after you're done you'll have 10ml of drug @ 1,000IU/ml.

10,000IU/10ml = 1,000IU/ml.

So you'll draw up and inject 1 ml of drug solution for your dose.

You could reconstitute the drug using less water if you are confidant

that you can calculate the dose properly. I'd use the whole 10ml till

you know what you are doing and till you and your doc are through

adjusting your dose.

>

> Never given myself a shot before , so just looking for some help,

> thanks a lot for any advise!

>

You should have been given better instructions. I stole the following

brief passage from a Pregnyl site.

Directions for Reconstitution

Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and

inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to

lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved

in solution.

So you'll remove the plastic caps from the tops of the vials exposing

the rubber septa that seals the vials. You'll swab the tops with

alcohol. You'll insert your needle into the powder vial and withdraw

sterile air by pulling the plunger out of the syringe. Then withdraw

the syringe from the powder vial and insert it into the water vial.

Inject the sterile air into the water vial. Then you'll withdraw an

amount of water equal to the amount of air you just injected. Remove

the syringe w/water from the water vial and inject into the powder

vial. Since you likely don't have a 10ml syringe, you won't be able

to move all the water at once. You'll need to repeat the process till

you get the 10ml of water moved. Once you've moved all the water,

then you can draw up your dose (1ml of 1,000IU/ml) and administer your

injection.

Keep asking us questions till you understand everything.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Hi Jake, It seems incredible that your doctor did not instruct you in

the use of this injectible while you were in his office. Also I would

hope that you are being sent syringes plural, or at the very least

multiple disposable needles. If not I strongly suggest you purchase

them on your own.

The bacteriostatic water is used to hydrate the dry HGC. Holding the

vial of liquid upside down, insert the needle through the rubber top

and pull all the contents out with the syringe. (Be sure only the very

tip of the needle is in the vial to get ALL the contents out.) Then

pierce the rubber top of the (right side up) vial containing the dry

HGC with the needle and inject the liquid. Some compounds require

shaking to mix while others specify not to. (The tops of both vials

likely have a thin metal covering that you must pull off to expose the

permeable rubber top.) These instructions *should* be on the labels

but sometimes they are on a package insert.

----I'm taking 1000 UI's twice a week. How do I know how much 1,000

IU's are? Will it say on the syringe the levels?---

It should. One would hope the syringe being sent to you has

calibrations on it. Remember it should equal a tenth of the amount in

the (mixed) vial and if this preportion doesn't jive with the

calibration on the syringe, ask before injecting.

---Never given myself a shot before , so just looking for some help,

thanks a lot for any advise!----

Try to avoid getting air into the syringe and after inserting the

needle pull back on the syringe to be sure the tip of the needle is

not in a blood vessel; if blood draws back into the syringe, pull out

the needle and reinject in a different spot and repeat.

I hope this helps, but really it is better to watch a professional

perform this procedure the first time, and to oversee your first

attempt as well.

[Guest guest]

(I have to say this)...

Jesus H. Christ!!!! Jake!!

You mean to tell me that your doctor didn't have a nurse or s/he

didn't show you how to give yourself shots LET ALONE HOW TO MIX YOUR

INJECTIONS??????????

I'm APPALLED, STUNNED, FULL OF DISUGT AND DISBELIEF in the medical

profession (again) that they would do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What was s/he (your doc) thinking?? Obviously they weren't! MAN!

I'd be so freakin' mad that I'd march into the clinic and DEMAND TO

SEE my doc and DEMAND to have the doc or the nurse at least show me

how to do it at least for the FIRST freakin' time!!!!

There aren't enough adjectives in the english language to define how

I'm feeling right now.

Those are some heavy instructions Brad!!!! I read them twice and

know that if I had to do them, I'd probably f*#k up big time! I'm no

idiot, I've been educated through college, this is so unreal!

Good Luck and be VERY CAREFUL JAKE!

Wayne

> >

> > I got 10,000 USP Units of HGC and some water called

Bacteriostatic

> > water. My syringe is coming today, and I'd really appreciate if

> > someone could tell me how to use it.

>

> I hope you're getting more than one syringe.

>

> > The instructions don't mention

> > the bacteriostatic water at all, and the 10,000 USP Units looks

like

> > some tiny white dust that barely looks 1/4th full.

> >

>

> Yes, you probably have 10ml of bacteriostatic water.

>

> > Never given myself a shot before, I assume the water is to help

get

> > the HCG flowing, but I want to be safe and ask any questions. I

> > don't want to screw something up.

> >

>

> You'll use the syringe to remove the water from its vial. Then

you'll

> add the water to the vial with the powder. Then you'll draw up

part

> of the reconstituted solution when you are ready to administer

your dose.

>

> > I'm taking 1000 UI's twice a week. How do I know how much 1,000

IU's

> > are? Will it say on the syringe the levels?

>

> The vial has 10,000IU of drug. You'll be adding 10ml of water. So

> after you're done you'll have 10ml of drug @ 1,000IU/ml.

> 10,000IU/10ml = 1,000IU/ml.

>

> So you'll draw up and inject 1 ml of drug solution for your dose.

>

> You could reconstitute the drug using less water if you are

confidant

> that you can calculate the dose properly. I'd use the whole 10ml

till

> you know what you are doing and till you and your doc are through

> adjusting your dose.

>

> >

> > Never given myself a shot before , so just looking for some help,

> > thanks a lot for any advise!

> >

>

> You should have been given better instructions. I stole the

following

> brief passage from a Pregnyl site.

>

> Directions for Reconstitution

> Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and

> inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to

> lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely

dissolved

> in solution.

>

> So you'll remove the plastic caps from the tops of the vials

exposing

> the rubber septa that seals the vials. You'll swab the tops with

> alcohol. You'll insert your needle into the powder vial and

withdraw

> sterile air by pulling the plunger out of the syringe. Then

withdraw

> the syringe from the powder vial and insert it into the water

vial.

> Inject the sterile air into the water vial. Then you'll withdraw

an

> amount of water equal to the amount of air you just injected.

Remove

> the syringe w/water from the water vial and inject into the powder

> vial. Since you likely don't have a 10ml syringe, you won't be

able

> to move all the water at once. You'll need to repeat the process

till

> you get the 10ml of water moved. Once you've moved all the water,

> then you can draw up your dose (1ml of 1,000IU/ml) and administer

your

> injection.

>

> Keep asking us questions till you understand everything.

>

> Brad

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Those are some heavy instructions Brad!!!! I read them twice and

> know that if I had to do them, I'd probably f*#k up big time! I'm no

> idiot, I've been educated through college, this is so unreal!

>

> Good Luck and be VERY CAREFUL JAKE!

>

It sounds worse than it is. He'll use a syringe to move the water out

of one vial and into the other. After you've done it once, no problem.

There is one other thing. He didn't mention the type of syringe.

Insulin syringes are usually 1cc (1ml) divided into 100 units. The

" units " are for insulin and not the same size as hcg units. So pay

attention to the 1cc or 1ml markings. If he uses 10ml of water to

reconstitute, his dose will be 1cc (1ml) or " 100 " on an insulin syringe.

Brad

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Jake, It seems incredible that your doctor did not instruct you in

> the use of this injectible while you were in his office. Also I would

> hope that you are being sent syringes plural, or at the very least

> multiple disposable needles. If not I strongly suggest you purchase

> them on your own.

>

> The bacteriostatic water is used to hydrate the dry HGC. Holding the

> vial of liquid upside down, insert the needle through the rubber top

> and pull all the contents out with the syringe. (Be sure only the very

> tip of the needle is in the vial to get ALL the contents out.) Then

> pierce the rubber top of the (right side up) vial containing the dry

> HGC with the needle and inject the liquid. Some compounds require

> shaking to mix while others specify not to. (The tops of both vials

> likely have a thin metal covering that you must pull off to expose the

> permeable rubber top.) These instructions *should* be on the labels

> but sometimes they are on a package insert.

>

> ----I'm taking 1000 UI's twice a week. How do I know how much 1,000

> IU's are? Will it say on the syringe the levels?---

>

> It should. One would hope the syringe being sent to you has

> calibrations on it. Remember it should equal a tenth of the amount in

> the (mixed) vial and if this preportion doesn't jive with the

> calibration on the syringe, ask before injecting.

>

> ---Never given myself a shot before , so just looking for some help,

> thanks a lot for any advise!----

>

> Try to avoid getting air into the syringe and after inserting the

> needle pull back on the syringe to be sure the tip of the needle is

> not in a blood vessel; if blood draws back into the syringe, pull out

> the needle and reinject in a different spot and repeat.

>

> I hope this helps, but really it is better to watch a professional

> perform this procedure the first time, and to oversee your first

> attempt as well.

>

>

>

Thanks for the advise! I did it and all seemed well. It almost

seemed instinctive. I've never done it before but as soon as I

started turning the vial upside down and injecting the air/pulling out

the liquid it all came normal because of all the damn movies I've seen

where they'd do that exact thing and then tap the needle, etc.

I'm glad I called in and asked another question, the medicine said

Intramuscular only, but the instructions I got were for Subcutaneous.

I called the office nurse and she said " No , no dont do

intramuscular " .. " Bu the medication says only intramuscular " " Yeah

but subQ ONLY. " .. " Oh okay.. " Glad I Found that out or I might have

just jammed it in deep instead of just in the skin.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I got 10,000 USP Units of HGC and some water called Bacteriostatic

> > water. My syringe is coming today, and I'd really appreciate if

> > someone could tell me how to use it.

>

> I hope you're getting more than one syringe.

>

> > The instructions don't mention

> > the bacteriostatic water at all, and the 10,000 USP Units looks like

> > some tiny white dust that barely looks 1/4th full.

> >

>

> Yes, you probably have 10ml of bacteriostatic water.

>

> > Never given myself a shot before, I assume the water is to help get

> > the HCG flowing, but I want to be safe and ask any questions. I

> > don't want to screw something up.

> >

>

> You'll use the syringe to remove the water from its vial. Then you'll

> add the water to the vial with the powder. Then you'll draw up part

> of the reconstituted solution when you are ready to administer your

dose.

>

> > I'm taking 1000 UI's twice a week. How do I know how much 1,000 IU's

> > are? Will it say on the syringe the levels?

>

> The vial has 10,000IU of drug. You'll be adding 10ml of water. So

> after you're done you'll have 10ml of drug @ 1,000IU/ml.

> 10,000IU/10ml = 1,000IU/ml.

>

> So you'll draw up and inject 1 ml of drug solution for your dose.

>

> You could reconstitute the drug using less water if you are confidant

> that you can calculate the dose properly. I'd use the whole 10ml till

> you know what you are doing and till you and your doc are through

> adjusting your dose.

>

> >

> > Never given myself a shot before , so just looking for some help,

> > thanks a lot for any advise!

> >

>

> You should have been given better instructions. I stole the following

> brief passage from a Pregnyl site.

>

> Directions for Reconstitution

> Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and

> inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to

> lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved

> in solution.

>

> So you'll remove the plastic caps from the tops of the vials exposing

> the rubber septa that seals the vials. You'll swab the tops with

> alcohol. You'll insert your needle into the powder vial and withdraw

> sterile air by pulling the plunger out of the syringe. Then withdraw

> the syringe from the powder vial and insert it into the water vial.

> Inject the sterile air into the water vial. Then you'll withdraw an

> amount of water equal to the amount of air you just injected. Remove

> the syringe w/water from the water vial and inject into the powder

> vial. Since you likely don't have a 10ml syringe, you won't be able

> to move all the water at once. You'll need to repeat the process till

> you get the 10ml of water moved. Once you've moved all the water,

> then you can draw up your dose (1ml of 1,000IU/ml) and administer your

> injection.

>

> Keep asking us questions till you understand everything.

>

> Brad

>

Thanks a lot for the instructions too. It didn't seem that hard, at

first I was nervous but after doing it once, it'll be a breeze from

here on out. I do have insulin syringes.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am with you on this Wayne, Jake go to your Dr. and have some one

show you how to mix the HCG and have them show you how to give your

self a shot. Or did you get this with out a Dr. I only say this

because I find it dam hard your Dr. did not tell you to come back so

they could show you what you need to do.

> Phil

>

Well they said if I had any problems to call them and a nurse would

show me. I read the instructions on here and the instructions that

came with it and I didn't have any problems I don't think. (Took it 5

hours ago, don't notice any effect yet, didn't expect one yet though

of course haha).

I think my doctor thought I knew how to give myself a shot considering

I had knowledge of HCG before hand and was requesting it, and I used

to be big on weightlifting and was a lot larger. I " m guessing he just

assumes I took steroids or something by what I told him and thought

I've done it a thousand times before or something. Anyways I figured

it out though.

[Guest guest]

>

> (I have to say this)...

>

> Jesus H. Christ!!!! Jake!!

> You mean to tell me that your doctor didn't have a nurse or s/he

> didn't show you how to give yourself shots LET ALONE HOW TO MIX YOUR

> INJECTIONS??????????

>

> I'm APPALLED, STUNNED, FULL OF DISUGT AND DISBELIEF in the medical

> profession (again) that they would do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> What was s/he (your doc) thinking?? Obviously they weren't! MAN!

>

> I'd be so freakin' mad that I'd march into the clinic and DEMAND TO

> SEE my doc and DEMAND to have the doc or the nurse at least show me

> how to do it at least for the FIRST freakin' time!!!!

>

> There aren't enough adjectives in the english language to define how

> I'm feeling right now.

>

> Those are some heavy instructions Brad!!!! I read them twice and

> know that if I had to do them, I'd probably f*#k up big time! I'm no

> idiot, I've been educated through college, this is so unreal!

>

> Good Luck and be VERY CAREFUL JAKE!

>

> Wayne

>

Okay I'm finished, and the bleeding stopped about 10 minutes ago. Did

I do it wrong?

J/k, haha thanksf or the concern, I think I figured it out from

watching enough movies where the villains are talking about their

sinister plans while they prepare to inject some needle into the

restrained hero. The whole turning the vial upside down, tapping it,

withdrawing, etc.. movies made it like an instinct for me. Worked out

fine!

[Guest guest]

>

> Jake what size needle are you using I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg.

needle. I don't shoot in my belly I don't feel it when I do. After I

do my shot I get a feeling of well being lasting most of the day. So

I shoot into my thigh and feel using a short needle like this that it

is subQ. You said your doing 1000 IU's 3 x's a week I find this to be

way to much are you using the HCG to bring up your T levels or for

fertility. I do both Testosterone and HCG. Go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG

Update. A little HCG goes a long way I know men taking it to keep

there T levels up and do 60 to 100 IU's a day. If you do to much it

will Desensitize your Testis meaning you will become Primary your

Testis will not work anymore.

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

> Phil

>

Hey Phil! I use 29 Gauge x 1/2 " Length insulin syringes. I just did

my first shot in my leg, so far I don't know if I notice a difference.

I am suppose to do 1,000 IU's TWICE a week, not three times. I

don't use Testosterone because while I was using Testosterone (the

shots or the injections) i got way too fatigued, I believe because my

estradiol was getting too high. It was destroying my energy. I am

also taking a thyroid pill which I think helped a little, but I notice

more energy gain returned after I stopped the testosterone. So now

I'm just trying HCG.

[Guest guest]

>

> Jake after you mixed it did you put it in the frig. you need to keep

it cool or it will be no good.

Crap, no i didn't, noone said to put it in the fridge!!

Goddamnit... its been out for two days now, is it still good? son of

a ....goddamn doctors.

[Guest guest]

>

> Jake where did you do the shot you should not bleed for that long.

Try doing the shots in your Thigh. Here is a link on doing shots.

> http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

> Also in the links and files section at are home page there are

more links on doing shots both IM and SubQ.

> Phil

Hah I was joking about the bleeding. It didn't bleed at all. Thanks

for the link anyways!

[Guest guest]

>

> Then I would try doing them everyday works much better try doing 250

IU's everyday.

> Sorry no one said to put it in the frig. It is no good now.

> Phil

>

Whaaat? Just like that? Are you kiddin me? From sittin on a table for

about 30 hours right after mixing, 56 dollars wasted? Its NO good now?

what the ff.. Im so damn angry right now.

[Guest guest]

Hey Jake, Sorry about the waste of $$$ and worse yet, the waste of

med!

As soon as you see that Doctor of yours next time, punch his lights

out for me! I've had it up to about 3 feet above my head with the

stupidity of the " practicing medicine league " . You see now why they

call it " PRACTICING? "

I bet the doc thought the nurse would tell you everything and the

nurse thought the doc told you everything and so looky what happened?

Worse yet, you could be lying on the floor in some sort of shock

with no way to get help. Where in the world did you inject this

stuff? A phone call is ALL it would have taken to correct EVERYTHING.

After 9+ years of dealing with medical crap. I've had it. They made

me better and now I'm staying the hell away from them as much as

possible.

i don't know what I'd do if I were you, but I know I would have

broken SOMETHING by now! (probably would have taken the vial out and

slammed the damn thing on the cement driveway! LOL!)

Call the Doc if it isn't too late of the hospital to find out what,

if anything, you can do to get it replaced for less or what. But

talk to a stinkin' pro! Or at least a reasonable facsimilie of one.

Aloha,

Wayne

> >

> > Then I would try doing them everyday works much better try doing

250

> IU's everyday.

> > Sorry no one said to put it in the frig. It is no good now.

> > Phil

> >

>

>

> Whaaat? Just like that? Are you kiddin me? From sittin on a table

for

> about 30 hours right after mixing, 56 dollars wasted? Its NO good

now?

> what the ff.. Im so damn angry right now.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Jake sorry but I would not use it, now look at it this way thank God

you did not use it I don't know what would happen if you did.

> Phil

>

I went looking around and some others are saying that if you

re-constituted it and kept it sterile, a day wouldn't really matter

much. Considering it lasts up to 60 days in a refrigerator, it seems

hard to believe that a day in 60 degree weather would destroy it?

I donno, I'll call my doctor on monday for the tie breaker vote. I

really don't want to have to throw this stuff away considering it's

new, cost me like 60 bucks, and I'd have to wait AGAIN for more.

Anyways I have another question again. How long until the HCG works?

If it's good Imean, how long til you start noticing it's full

benefits? I took the shot on THursday minutes after mixing it, and

it's friday night and it hasn't done anything yet, if anything my

libido is a tad lower.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Jake,

>

> My Novarel is only good for 30 days you must have the APP brand I

had no luck with this brand. But heard later on that they had a

problem with it and fixed it. After doing some reading I stll can't

say if it is good. Like you said call and find out hell call the

people that make it. I started doing 500 IU's 3 x's a week and after

my 15th shot got tested and my levels were way up. So yes it takes

time but after my first shot I had a feeling of well being. Yet when

I was given the APP brand I did not get this feeling. You can get

Novarel at this site. Make sure you tell them you need only Novarel.

> IVPcare Pharmacy

>

Really? Thanks. Well after my first shot I don't have a feeling of

well being. I have mroe fatigue again. I got fatigued when I was

given testosterone, now I am getting fatigued for taking only HCG.

I'm thinking it's my estradiol(only time it was tested it was 38, and

that was a week after I stopped all HRT).

I'm thinking my doctor may be ignoring this, and this is the cause of

my fatigue. Since before HRT , I never had energy problems during the

day, only no libido. Now I have no libido, and hardly any energy in

the day. My energy was coming back about 85% af ter I stopped

testosterone..now it's going back down since I started HCG it seems...

I'll know for sure in a week.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Jake - quick question - how are you sleeping? Sometimes when

your T is on the increase or when it is too high, it affects your

sleeping habits. Could it be your fatigue is from interupted sleep?

>

> Arkansas

>

Hi Dan, I'm not completely positive this time. All I know is I

started getting worried because I'm feeling less energy again once

starting HCG. I had horrible fatigue while on testim patches and then

testosterone injections that disappeared once I stopped. Just worried

this is doing the same, whether this is a good fatigue or a bad

fatigue like before I don't know.

It's not interrupted sleep. Although I woke up this morning and I

feel about 80%(which is good considering recently I guess)..didn't

take me 2 hours of dragging around the house to finally open my eyes.

We'll see how long I can stay awake today. haha

[Guest guest]

>

> What were your T levels and E2 previously when you were fatigued?

Maybe your levels we not right for you. You can't always go by a

reference range. You have to go by how you feel. For example, I do

better on 60 mg of depo-T than I do on 100 mg every 7 days.

>

> Arkansas

My E2 was 38(Normal said was 20-40), Free T was 12 (it lists normal as

11-60), and my total T was 500. This was a week after I stopped all

testosterone therapy. So I'm guessing while I was on Testosterone

therapy my Estradiol was even higher.

The reference range says I'm normal, because I just barely have enough

free T to say I'm normal, and I just barely am within the range of

Estradiol to say I'm normal. those numbers aren't normal for ME.

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think you can tell on just a few HCG shots but we all are

different and yes HCG will drive up E2 so keep an eye on it. To me

this is not a bad thing just take Arimidex to keep it down. For me

high E2 is a small price to pay to feel this good on HCG.

> Phil

Arimidex? Do I need a prescription for that? Based on my reaction to

testosterone (making me more fatigued even though I still need a

little, and my energy coming back as soon as I stop taking

testosterone), I really would love some Arimidex. The doctor has to

prescribe it though doesn't he? My Estradiol is around 38-45, I'm

sure. I'd like to get it in a more average range around 20-30 max. I

may have to yank my doctors arm though.

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think you can tell on just a few HCG shots but we all are

different and yes HCG will drive up E2 so keep an eye on it. To me

this is not a bad thing just take Arimidex to keep it down. For me

high E2 is a small price to pay to feel this good on HCG.

> Phil

also I'm curious about something else. When HCG starts working, does

it make your balls sore? Feeling like someone kicked you? I heard

that was the case, and I've yet to feel it. I've actually felt a

little sore, but not by much.

[Guest guest]

>

> jake the best range for TT anf FT is in the upper 1/3 of your labs

range. Your E2 test I think was not for men tests for men have a

range of <50 but for any age man should be between 10 to 30 best at 20.

>

Exactly, that's what I thought, and all the symptoms of having too

much estradiol, I suffer from. It seems clear to me but my doctor

hasn't even touched it. He's been focusing on other things and acts

like estradiol has no effect on things when I bring it up.

[Guest guest]

>

> I never felt this and it does not happen you will feel a something

but not pain.

> Phil

>

Okay good deal, I've felt something but nothing really along the lines

of pain. Thanks a lot!

[Guest guest]

>

> If your Dr. will not give you Arimidex get Indolplex/DIM take one

tablet a day at dinner when morning wood starts you know your E2 is

down and your libido will be up. Keep taking it but if wood stops this

means you went to low so stop it until wood starts back the go back on

it but take half. Keep doing this until you get it right. And yes brain

fog and fatigue happen when E2 is to high.

Haha, I have wood every morning, it's just as the day goes on I lose

my ability more and more. I'll look into Indolplex

[Guest guest]

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> Yes Jake you have to have a presciption from you doctor. I had to

ask mine for

> a script and he said I don't know anything about it but I will

write it. He did and

> he dosed me on 1/2 each day for 30 days. Don't go by that

however. I took

> Phil's advise and took 1/4 tab every three days, got me down too

low so now

> I need another test next seek to see where it is. I think it is

doing ok now but

> want to be sure. I never did get any wood but it sure is large in

the mornings

> so I think it is working. Be caresul with Arimidex though, it is

powerful stuff.

> And yes I think your E2 is too high also.....

> Ask him for it, expensive but worth it.

> Roy

Damn, ANOTHER expensive drug? My thyroid pills are like 20 a month,

HCG is 60 a month, and now an expensive one? Gah, how much is Arimidex

price around usually with insurance?

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Well my doctor prescribed progesterone capsules. I have been taking

them for months now and it has controlled my estrogen levels. I have

been feeling like a champ for awhile now :-)

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> > jake the best range for TT anf FT is in the upper 1/3 of your labs

> range. Your E2 test I think was not for men tests for men have a

> range of <50 but for any age man should be between 10 to 30 best at

20.

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> Exactly, that's what I thought, and all the symptoms of having too

> much estradiol, I suffer from. It seems clear to me but my doctor

> hasn't even touched it. He's been focusing on other things and acts

> like estradiol has no effect on things when I bring it up.

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I have to disagree due to my real life experience. Best I have ever

felt and in the best shape of my life. I dont take the progesterone

everyday. I kind of can feel when I need to pop a pill, I have become

very in tune with my body now :-) I aslo sometimes just poke a hole in

the gel capsule and rub it on my skin.

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> > > jake the best range for TT anf FT is in the upper 1/3 of your

labs

> > range. Your E2 test I think was not for men tests for men have a

> > range of <50 but for any age man should be between 10 to 30 best

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> > much estradiol, I suffer from. It seems clear to me but my doctor

> > hasn't even touched it. He's been focusing on other things and

acts

> > like estradiol has no effect on things when I bring it up.

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