Re: Saw my Endo and Have Numbers

[Guest guest]

>

> She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

> don't know if HCG is covered,

Typically no because fertility treatments are often not covered

> and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

Docs who are out of touch always say this. Shop around or ask at the

pharmacy you intend to buy from. Go into the doc's office knowing

the current price so you can rebut this objection with facts.

> one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you need to test your Cortisol and Thyroid do a morning Cortisol as early

as you can. Test Free T4 and Free T3 you TSH is to dam high and if your Cortisol

is low this can be why your T levels are low. Treat Cortisol of Andrenal

Fatigue first then Thyroid and after your tests are good doing Armour check your

T levels again. If your Dr. is an Endo find a good DO for a Dr. and get tested

to find out why your so low before going on TRT it is to dam hard to find out

after your on TRT. Next time you post labs put in the range.

Go to the link and read up on Thyroid Problems.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The Estradiol you did in the past was for women. Your E2 is dam good. Can

you tell me how you feel.

Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG

Update all the tests you need are in this and why. HCG at Wal-Greens is about

$45.00 for Novarel.

Phil

fkw1122 <fkw1122@...> wrote:

Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or low-normal

and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

Anyways here goes:

Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

LH 5.0 mIU/ml

PSA 0.812 ng/mL

Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

%Free Test 2.8

Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

Total T 316 ng/DL

What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be high

because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always over 60

never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

Thanks

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[Guest guest]

> > and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

>

> Docs who are out of touch always say this. Shop around or ask at the

> pharmacy you intend to buy from. Go into the doc's office knowing

> the current price so you can rebut this objection with facts.

>

> > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

My endo will give me a prescription for HCG, she was just warning me

about the costs. She's very supportive and I don't think she'd say no

to anything reasonable.

[Guest guest]

Does testing cortisol as in morning cortisol have any relation to

sleep times..I don't live a normal schedule and usually sleep from mid

morning until late afternoon/early evening. Would I still test it in

the morning, or what? I'm up all night usually..I'm just nocturnal

by nature. I have an appointment to see my PCP next month, and I can

probably get him to order the tests with a copy to my Endo. If you

don't think it can wait, I can probably get her or him to give me the

paperwork before I see him.

Thanks.

P.S. Do you want me to post the ranges anyways?

> Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

low-normal

> and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> Anyways here goes:

>

> Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> %Free Test 2.8

> Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> Total T 316 ng/DL

>

> What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be high

> because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always over 60

> never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

> don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

> one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

-

HI

High TSH means you are hypothyroid which can make you hypogonadal.

-- In , " fkw1122 " <fkw1122@...> wrote:

>

> Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or low-

normal

> and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested

using

> the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of

me.

> Anyways here goes:

>

> Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> %Free Test 2.8

> Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> Total T 316 ng/DL

>

> What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be

high

> because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always

over 60

> never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely)

and I

> don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

> one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I don't know how you feel about your T numbers, which are on the low

side but, I can tell you that you are hypothyroid. I'm suprised you

don't feel a bit worn. Even a T of 319 for a younger man is on the

sluggish side of low.

Vickie

In , manraj2005 <no_reply@...> wrote:

>

> -

> HI

>

> High TSH means you are hypothyroid which can make you hypogonadal.

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , " fkw1122 " <fkw1122@> wrote:

> >

> > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or low-

> normal

> > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested

> using

> > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of

> me.

> > Anyways here goes:

> >

> > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > %Free Test 2.8

> > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > Total T 316 ng/DL

> >

> > What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be

> high

> > because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always

> over 60

> > never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> > threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> > bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> > first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely)

> and I

> > don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a

cheap

> > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try to do the test as soon as you get up from sleeping. This is when it's the

highest.

Phil

fkw1122 <fkw1122@...> wrote:

Does testing cortisol as in morning cortisol have any relation to

sleep times..I don't live a normal schedule and usually sleep from mid

morning until late afternoon/early evening. Would I still test it in

the morning, or what? I'm up all night usually..I'm just nocturnal

by nature. I have an appointment to see my PCP next month, and I can

probably get him to order the tests with a copy to my Endo. If you

don't think it can wait, I can probably get her or him to give me the

paperwork before I see him.

Thanks.

P.S. Do you want me to post the ranges anyways?

> Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

low-normal

> and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> Anyways here goes:

>

> Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> %Free Test 2.8

> Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> Total T 316 ng/DL

>

> What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be high

> because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always over 60

> never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

> don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

> one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

It's hard to define how I feel. I have a debilitating back problem

consisting of multiple herniations and leaks in the lumbar disk. I

have an intrathecal morphine pump implant (which doesn't affect mental

state nor eneergy levels), plus I have to take muscle

relaxers...however I've been on most of them for so long that they

don't make me sleepy or anything. My T always tests low or

low-normal. This was the first time TSH tested high that I can

recall. I do believe I should have more energy and mental acuity than

I do most of the time, but I always put it down to my inactivity

because of my back, maybe I've been wrong..never assume..

Thanks Vickie,

> > >

> > > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or low-

> > normal

> > > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested

> > using

> > > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of

> > me.

> > > Anyways here goes:

> > >

> > > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > > %Free Test 2.8

> > > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > > Total T 316 ng/DL

> > >

> > > What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be

> > high

> > > because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always

> > over 60

> > > never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> > > threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> > > bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> > > first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely)

> > and I

> > > don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a

> cheap

> > > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil, I'll try and work my sleeping into a pattern where I can

do this and make sure the clinic is still open to draw the labs. Is

cortisol one I'd have to get done at a hospital or any blood draw

site? This last round they had me down for the homocystene test, but

they said I had to go to the hospital for it, so I passed until next time.

> > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

> low-normal

> > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> > Anyways here goes:

> >

> > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > %Free Test 2.8

> > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > Total T 316 ng/DL

> >

> > What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be high

> > because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always over 60

> > never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> > threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> > bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> > first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

> > don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

> > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I have the same problem with my back when I would stand to walk I was all bent

out of shape to walk it took some 15 min's. of walking before I could walk with

my back straight.

I was house bound and did nothing I was on gels Androgel and Testim and found

out posting here that the gels did this to Norton he God Bless him got back to

me telling me to do shots that my pain will go away. I got off the gels and

started on shots and in just 2 weeks my pain was less and I could stand up and

walk with out pain. I had a long time ago an MRI on my back and it showed

herniations in the low 3 disk's. Now doing 100mgs every week helped but my

levels were not high enough so we upped the dose to 150 mgs a week of Depo T

shots and my levels were still on the low side so I got my Dr. to add HCG I did

500 IU's 3 x's a week and after the 15th. shot of HCG we tested and my levels

for Total doubled and my pain was gone I started working got up to 45 min's a

day and then started going to the gym and working out on machines. I lost over

65 lbs. and was feeling on top of he world.

What are your T levels and if your on TRT what are you doing.

Phil

fkw1122 <fkw1122@...> wrote:

It's hard to define how I feel. I have a debilitating back problem

consisting of multiple herniations and leaks in the lumbar disk. I

have an intrathecal morphine pump implant (which doesn't affect mental

state nor eneergy levels), plus I have to take muscle

relaxers...however I've been on most of them for so long that they

don't make me sleepy or anything. My T always tests low or

low-normal. This was the first time TSH tested high that I can

recall. I do believe I should have more energy and mental acuity than

I do most of the time, but I always put it down to my inactivity

because of my back, maybe I've been wrong..never assume..

Thanks Vickie,

> > >

> > > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or low-

> > normal

> > > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested

> > using

> > > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of

> > me.

> > > Anyways here goes:

> > >

> > > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > > %Free Test 2.8

> > > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > > Total T 316 ng/DL

> > >

> > > What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be

> > high

> > > because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always

> > over 60

> > > never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> > > threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> > > bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> > > first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely)

> > and I

> > > don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a

> cheap

> > > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

The cortisol test is just a blood test. No need to go to the Hospital for it.

Phil

fkw1122 <fkw1122@...> wrote:

Thanks Phil, I'll try and work my sleeping into a pattern where I can

do this and make sure the clinic is still open to draw the labs. Is

cortisol one I'd have to get done at a hospital or any blood draw

site? This last round they had me down for the homocystene test, but

they said I had to go to the hospital for it, so I passed until next time.

> > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

> low-normal

> > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> > Anyways here goes:

> >

> > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > %Free Test 2.8

> > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > Total T 316 ng/DL

> >

> > What do these numbers mean? I had assumed my E was going to be high

> > because it always has been. On the 'normal' test it was always over 60

> > never normal. I was all set to request Arimidex but this totally

> > threw me a curve. She did give me a prescription for compounded

> > bio-identical testosterone. I need to go over this with the wife

> > first. She still has hopes of getting preggers (most unlikely) and I

> > don't know if HCG is covered, and my Endo told me it's not a cheap

> > one. We're really on the poor side of the line these days.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi all, I've been trying to get my Endo to authorize the recommend

tests (cortisol, t3, t4)..I just now remembered I had my cortisol

tested last year, and it was fine...I believe my TSH tested fine then

also for what it's worth. The problem with getting to my Dr. is I

have to go through her office woman, who is the ONLY person to deal

with..she can be a pain, but the Dr. is great..I will be seeing my

regular Dr. in early Feb so I can get him to send me for the bloodwork

as a worst case senario. Does last years good cortisol result count

for anything today (I've had ED and low T problems for many years but

haven't done TRT yet). I do have a script for compounded testosterone

but I haven't filled it yet due to the thyroid TSH being elevated and

the group's advice.

> Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

low-normal

> and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> Anyways here goes:

>

> Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> %Free Test 2.8

> Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> Total T 316 ng/DL

[Guest guest]

,

Last year's good TSH and cortisol should be directional to deeming it

still OK. However, this should not preclude you from getting T4, T3

to throughly and completely rule out hypopituitarism as it relates to

the thyroid and adrenals.

Let's try to get the doctor to confirm once and for all for you that

the issue your are dealing with is hypogon. and not a thyroid or

adrenal issue. Once you have identified the problem (and then

primary or secondary), you can resolve the actual disease with TRT,

SERMS, HCG, ED meds, E2 meds, etc.

Blessings,

Bill

> > Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low

or

> low-normal

> > and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested

using

> > the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of

me.

> > Anyways here goes:

> >

> > Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> > FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> > LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> > PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> > Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> > TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> > %Free Test 2.8

> > Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> > Total T 316 ng/DL

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have a copy of this old test can you post the results with the units and

ranges.

Phil

fkw1122 <fkw1122@...> wrote:

Hi all, I've been trying to get my Endo to authorize the recommend

tests (cortisol, t3, t4)..I just now remembered I had my cortisol

tested last year, and it was fine...I believe my TSH tested fine then

also for what it's worth. The problem with getting to my Dr. is I

have to go through her office woman, who is the ONLY person to deal

with..she can be a pain, but the Dr. is great..I will be seeing my

regular Dr. in early Feb so I can get him to send me for the bloodwork

as a worst case senario. Does last years good cortisol result count

for anything today (I've had ED and low T problems for many years but

haven't done TRT yet). I do have a script for compounded testosterone

but I haven't filled it yet due to the thyroid TSH being elevated and

the group's advice.

> Every time I've had my numbers checked, T has been low or

low-normal

> and estradiol has been high. This is the 1st time I was tested using

> the Estradiol Sensitive test..the number shocked the hell out of me.

> Anyways here goes:

>

> Estradiol 18.6 pg/mL

> FSH 2.5 mIU/ml

> LH 5.0 mIU/ml

> PSA 0.812 ng/mL

> Prolactin 8.890 ng/mL

> TSH 6.04 mIU/ml - This was high

> %Free Test 2.8

> Free Test 8.8 ng/dL (just low)

> Total T 316 ng/DL

---------------------------------

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

I have the numbers somewhere, but they are lost in the labyrinth I call

my house at the moment. If I find them I will post them. My PCP should

have a copy I think.

--

/ K. Woolf

/