Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Phil I read that whole theis on Thyroid and it certainly is a good read and most of it is uinderstandable. She sure has done her homework on FT3 and FT4 hasn't she. What are you taking for the Thyroid now, and how is is reacting for you? My Endo checkef my T3 but never the T4. I was in midrange which she seems to go along with especially for patients with cardiovascular disease. Regards, Roy --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Has anyone tried Alvidar for low thyroid symptems? Sounds good and without a prescription too. Gaining too much weight and can't get it off? Feel tired and depressed? Read article. Roy http://alvidar.selmedica.com/?gclid=CKjI6qnxlIcCFRMhWAodyW5HbQ --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 No you are not being bad. Bad is when you know something is wrong with you and you do not value your life enough to do something about it. I think I earned the right to make that statement. A lot of the people on stopthethyroidmadness.com have cut out all the bullshit with endocrinologists and carefully treat themself. I am love_en on the mesomorphosis forum, the one who is " normal " , according to the endocrinologists. The reason why 3/4gr Armour is making you feel better, is you are doing it the right way. The prescribing information states in black and white not to give thyroid to untreated adrenal insufficiency patients. But because endos cannot comprehend anything other than reference ranges, thyroid gets a bad rap. The only time a physiological dose of thyroid is toxic is when there is untreated adrenal insufficiency. You do know that thyroid replacement is like testosterone replacement. At some point in time you will be on 3+ gr of Armour and the equivalent of 30 mg of hydrocortisone. I am eagerly awaiting my prednisolone and Florinef. Being sick for most of my life is getting old. If doctors have not been able to figure out what is wrong with me all these years, I do not expect miracles now. > > I am being a bad boy my wife has some Armour left over a dose she is not on anymore. So I took the 90mg pills and cut them in half 5 days ago to see how I would feel. Wow just taking this half a pill what a difference. > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Yes I know where your coming from it's been a long hard 22 yrs. for me and tomorrow when I see my Dr. if he will not treat my thyroid and low cortisol I will be in your boat up shits creek in a cement boat with a dam big hole in it. I hate having to find a new Dr. and will try but if I can't find one I will keep doing otc stuff as long as it works for me. When I got my Dr. to let me do Isocort he said just take one pill but when I saw how good it made me feel I kept upping the dose to now 8 pills a day = about 20 mgs of cortisol. And when I see him I will tell him so. Phil wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote: No you are not being bad. Bad is when you know something is wrong with you and you do not value your life enough to do something about it. I think I earned the right to make that statement. A lot of the people on stopthethyroidmadness.com have cut out all the bullshit with endocrinologists and carefully treat themself. I am love_en on the mesomorphosis forum, the one who is " normal " , according to the endocrinologists. The reason why 3/4gr Armour is making you feel better, is you are doing it the right way. The prescribing information states in black and white not to give thyroid to untreated adrenal insufficiency patients. But because endos cannot comprehend anything other than reference ranges, thyroid gets a bad rap. The only time a physiological dose of thyroid is toxic is when there is untreated adrenal insufficiency. You do know that thyroid replacement is like testosterone replacement. At some point in time you will be on 3+ gr of Armour and the equivalent of 30 mg of hydrocortisone. I am eagerly awaiting my prednisolone and Florinef. Being sick for most of my life is getting old. If doctors have not been able to figure out what is wrong with me all these years, I do not expect miracles now. > > I am being a bad boy my wife has some Armour left over a dose she is not on anymore. So I took the 90mg pills and cut them in half 5 days ago to see how I would feel. Wow just taking this half a pill what a difference. > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I am being a bad boy my wife has some Armour left over a dose she is not on anymore. So I took the 90mg pills and cut them in half 5 ays ago to see how I would feel. Wow just taking this half a pill what a difference. Phil Hey Phil, It sounds like you are on the right track with Armour. I am so sorry you have had these problems, far too long Phil. I don't expect any miracles but if you don't mind I will say a prayer that they finally find out the whole truth about your condition. No one should not have to go through what you have been through with doctors in today's world of medical knowledge. Seems all any of them want is the almighty buck anymore. May God Bless you with better health my friend!!! Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I do not think I am in a cement boat with a big hole. But my life has the potential to go up shit creek. I tried for many years to sustain myself on OTC stuff. I credit my being around to bitch about all the doctors I have seen to Chinese medicine. I used to see a woman in Chinatown. Right away, she saw what was wrong with me. Her prescription was to eat as much salt as I could stand. Next was some highly concentrated extracts of ginseng and licorice that I was to take several times per day. On that stuff, I went from 90 lbs to 130 lbs, started growing facial hair and started to do things men do. I kept this up from 1991 to 2005. Then the inconvenience of having to take an extract several times a day and the expense were becoming tiresome. A month's supply of ginseng is over $100. On top of that, the effect of this is not as consistent as a weekly shot. I was also getting to the point of licorice not controlling the adrenal symptoms as well as I would like. The effect of licorice is to predominantly reduce the breakdown of aldosterone. That is why most people cannot take licorice. They have a greater need for cortisol. In my case, I need both, although aldosterone does have some of the effects of cortisol. This also does not work if you do not produce enough to begin with. That is where I think I am at now. Doing what needs to be done with testosterone, prednisolone and Florinef is much less costly and more convenient. I never got the same feeling of wellbeing that you do from HCG. It does work to maintain form and function of my male parts though. I can only speculate that HCG did not do anything to raise my cortisol/aldosterone. Given my history and symptoms, I probably need aldosterone replacement If you are up to 8 Isocort, that is the max. The problem with crude adrenal extracts is they also contain the stimulant fractions such as adrenaline. The knowledge of and Val at the other forum has been invaluable. Without I would have passed of my weird response to an ACTH stim test as normal and though it was all in my head. A long time ago, I told myself that I would never be shooting myself in the leg every week. Here I am doing that. What is less of a surprise to me is the need for cortisol replacement. I spent my entire childhood hating warm weather because of how sick it made me. " Federal Law Prohibits the Transfer of This Prescription to Another Person " . Phil, you have just been inducted into my world of the medical outlaw. It is a scandal that you and I must sneak around and do what we should not be doing, just to have our health. love_en > > Yes I know where your coming from it's been a long hard 22 yrs. for me and tomorrow when I see my Dr. if he will not treat my thyroid and low cortisol I will be in your boat up shits creek in a cement boat with a dam big hole in it. I hate having to find a new Dr. and will try but if I can't find one I will keep doing otc stuff as long as it works for me. When I got my Dr. to let me do Isocort he said just take one pill but when I saw how good it made me feel I kept upping the dose to now 8 pills a day = about 20 mgs of cortisol. And when I see him I will tell him so. > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I hear you all we can do is keep trying. As for licorice Dr. is posting at this thread he is looking for info on licorice. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/51559-weak-adrenals-anything-2.ht\ ml Phil wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote: I do not think I am in a cement boat with a big hole. But my life has the potential to go up shit creek. I tried for many years to sustain myself on OTC stuff. I credit my being around to bitch about all the doctors I have seen to Chinese medicine. I used to see a woman in Chinatown. Right away, she saw what was wrong with me. Her prescription was to eat as much salt as I could stand. Next was some highly concentrated extracts of ginseng and licorice that I was to take several times per day. On that stuff, I went from 90 lbs to 130 lbs, started growing facial hair and started to do things men do. I kept this up from 1991 to 2005. Then the inconvenience of having to take an extract several times a day and the expense were becoming tiresome. A month's supply of ginseng is over $100. On top of that, the effect of this is not as consistent as a weekly shot. I was also getting to the point of licorice not controlling the adrenal symptoms as well as I would like. The effect of licorice is to predominantly reduce the breakdown of aldosterone. That is why most people cannot take licorice. They have a greater need for cortisol. In my case, I need both, although aldosterone does have some of the effects of cortisol. This also does not work if you do not produce enough to begin with. That is where I think I am at now. Doing what needs to be done with testosterone, prednisolone and Florinef is much less costly and more convenient. I never got the same feeling of wellbeing that you do from HCG. It does work to maintain form and function of my male parts though. I can only speculate that HCG did not do anything to raise my cortisol/aldosterone. Given my history and symptoms, I probably need aldosterone replacement If you are up to 8 Isocort, that is the max. The problem with crude adrenal extracts is they also contain the stimulant fractions such as adrenaline. The knowledge of and Val at the other forum has been invaluable. Without I would have passed of my weird response to an ACTH stim test as normal and though it was all in my head. A long time ago, I told myself that I would never be shooting myself in the leg every week. Here I am doing that. What is less of a surprise to me is the need for cortisol replacement. I spent my entire childhood hating warm weather because of how sick it made me. " Federal Law Prohibits the Transfer of This Prescription to Another Person " . Phil, you have just been inducted into my world of the medical outlaw. It is a scandal that you and I must sneak around and do what we should not be doing, just to have our health. love_en > > Yes I know where your coming from it's been a long hard 22 yrs. for me and tomorrow when I see my Dr. if he will not treat my thyroid and low cortisol I will be in your boat up shits creek in a cement boat with a dam big hole in it. I hate having to find a new Dr. and will try but if I can't find one I will keep doing otc stuff as long as it works for me. When I got my Dr. to let me do Isocort he said just take one pill but when I saw how good it made me feel I kept upping the dose to now 8 pills a day = about 20 mgs of cortisol. And when I see him I will tell him so. > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Thanks Roy and put all of us in the prayer we all need the help. Phil I do have all of you guys in my prayers Phil, and will keep on praying that we can all find our answers. By the way I tried to download Spybot it did but I couldn't up load it. I have a problem. I posted to Dan awhile ago but never did sse it I don't know what happened to it but it's still not there. Blessings, Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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