Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more effective than others?

[Guest guest]

Armyguy- we've talked about that here in the past...as I recall, the

consensus was that there is definitely a difference between brands. Novarel

vs the generic APP stuff, many posted that Novarl worked better for them.

With the APP, the age of the solution also was a factor - ie., I recall Phil

saying he basically doubles his dose of APP after the first thirty days to

get the same " feel " he does from the first thirty days.

Personally, I don't feel anything after my injections of any brand, so I've

got nothing to go by other than the fact that my balls haven't shrunk after

almost three years of TRT. Actually, that's not quite true, they shrunk

quite a bit after the first six months of AG and no HCG...once on HCG,

they've returned to their " normal " large size. ;-)

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of armyguy4001

Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:48 AM

Subject: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more effective

than others?

I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

not work as well as others.

Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Armyguy

[Guest guest]

Hi armyguy long time if your the same one that was posting here sometime ago. I

use Novarel it use to be good for 60 days but now they are using a different lab

and it's only good for 30 days after mixing. I find that when I get near the

last week I can double my dose to get the same results. There is a brand out

there that does not work for anyone APP they use to make Novarel and stopped to

make there own and it does not work very well.

Phil

armyguy4001 <no_reply > wrote:

I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

not work as well as others.

Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Armyguy

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[Guest guest]

Ahh, Phil, I was mistaken about which you used and when you doubled it up.

I disagree that APP doesn't work. My " boyz " have maintained size on APP

250iu twice per week while on test cyp shots. I don't feel the " good

feelings " within hours of an injection like you've posted you do the past,

though; but I didn't on Novarel either.

You have to admit that you are much more aware of drug interactions on your

body than most...you say you can tell almost immediate affects after taking

Arimidex, and feeling the affects of various injectables right away...I

don't think most are that sensitive.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more effective

than others?

Hi armyguy long time if your the same one that was posting here sometime

ago. I use Novarel it use to be good for 60 days but now they are using a

different lab and it's only good for 30 days after mixing. I find that when

I get near the last week I can double my dose to get the same results. There

is a brand out there that does not work for anyone APP they use to make

Novarel and stopped to make there own and it does not work very well.

Phil

armyguy4001 <no_reply@group <mailto:no_reply%40> s.com>

wrote:

I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

not work as well as others.

Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Armyguy

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[Guest guest]

Medco told me APP pulled all the HCG because they were getting so many calls

about it not working. I found out why I get the feeling of well being from HCG

I have low cortisol levels and HCG kicks it up some. I just talked to a guy

that has APP 4 boxs and he felt they were not any good so I told him to get a

pregnant test and check it he did and put about .5 mls on the strip and it

showed not pregnant so the stuff is bad no good he took it back to the drug

store they gave him his money back. Some of the APP out there is the older

stuff and does not work.

Phil

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Ahh, Phil, I was mistaken about which you used and when you doubled it

up.

I disagree that APP doesn't work. My " boyz " have maintained size on APP

250iu twice per week while on test cyp shots. I don't feel the " good

feelings " within hours of an injection like you've posted you do the past,

though; but I didn't on Novarel either.

You have to admit that you are much more aware of drug interactions on your

body than most...you say you can tell almost immediate affects after taking

Arimidex, and feeling the affects of various injectables right away...I

don't think most are that sensitive.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more effective

than others?

Hi armyguy long time if your the same one that was posting here sometime

ago. I use Novarel it use to be good for 60 days but now they are using a

different lab and it's only good for 30 days after mixing. I find that when

I get near the last week I can double my dose to get the same results. There

is a brand out there that does not work for anyone APP they use to make

Novarel and stopped to make there own and it does not work very well.

Phil

armyguy4001 <no_reply@group <mailto:no_reply%40> s.com>

wrote:

I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

not work as well as others.

Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Armyguy

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[Guest guest]

I would also put in the factor that the HCG should be kept at all

times between 2-5 degrees©, that's around 36-41F.

There is a possibility it got a bit higher than that, while being

shipped from factories, between drug stores, or even at your home, if

you think of it, it's pretty easy to get out of that range.

BB

>

> Armyguy- we've talked about that here in the past...as I recall, the

> consensus was that there is definitely a difference between brands.

Novarel

> vs the generic APP stuff, many posted that Novarl worked better for

them.

> With the APP, the age of the solution also was a factor - ie., I

recall Phil

> saying he basically doubles his dose of APP after the first thirty

days to

> get the same " feel " he does from the first thirty days.

>

> Personally, I don't feel anything after my injections of any brand,

so I've

> got nothing to go by other than the fact that my balls haven't

shrunk after

> almost three years of TRT. Actually, that's not quite true, they

shrunk

> quite a bit after the first six months of AG and no HCG...once on

HCG,

> they've returned to their " normal " large size. ;-)

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:

]

> On Behalf Of armyguy4001

> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:48 AM

>

> Subject: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more

effective

> than others?

>

>

>

> I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

> for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

> doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

> better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

> not work as well as others.

>

> Does anyone else have similar experiences?

>

> Armyguy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I found that when I had HCG that actually worked properly it had

a huge difference in the way I felt within an hour or two after taking

it. Libido, mind function both went up and the boyz tingled

satisfactorily. Since then, two of the brands that used to make it

stopped, now there is basically only novarel it sounds like and it

doesn't have as good an effect for me... I personally believe that HCG

made properly would be an amazing tool in the war on hypo.

Cheers,

Armyguy

> I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

> for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

> doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

> better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

> not work as well as others.

>

> Does anyone else have similar experiences?

>

> Armyguy

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Those refrigeration requirements would only apply after the powder and

diluent are mixed, though, right?

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bassam

Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:01 PM

Subject: Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more effective

than others?

I would also put in the factor that the HCG should be kept at all

times between 2-5 degrees©, that's around 36-41F.

There is a possibility it got a bit higher than that, while being

shipped from factories, between drug stores, or even at your home, if

you think of it, it's pretty easy to get out of that range.

BB

>

> Armyguy- we've talked about that here in the past...as I recall, the

> consensus was that there is definitely a difference between brands.

Novarel

> vs the generic APP stuff, many posted that Novarl worked better for

them.

> With the APP, the age of the solution also was a factor - ie., I

recall Phil

> saying he basically doubles his dose of APP after the first thirty

days to

> get the same " feel " he does from the first thirty days.

>

> Personally, I don't feel anything after my injections of any brand,

so I've

> got nothing to go by other than the fact that my balls haven't

shrunk after

> almost three years of TRT. Actually, that's not quite true, they

shrunk

> quite a bit after the first six months of AG and no HCG...once on

HCG,

> they've returned to their " normal " large size. ;-)

>

>

> _____

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto:

@ <mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of armyguy4001

> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:48 AM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more

effective

> than others?

>

>

>

> I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

> for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

> doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

> better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

> not work as well as others.

>

> Does anyone else have similar experiences?

>

> Armyguy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To get that effect on Norarel do more and on blood work check Progesterone if

your doing to much HCG this will go up keep it down by doing less HCG.

Phil

armyguy4001 <no_reply > wrote:

Yes, I found that when I had HCG that actually worked properly it had

a huge difference in the way I felt within an hour or two after taking

it. Libido, mind function both went up and the boyz tingled

satisfactorily. Since then, two of the brands that used to make it

stopped, now there is basically only novarel it sounds like and it

doesn't have as good an effect for me... I personally believe that HCG

made properly would be an amazing tool in the war on hypo.

Cheers,

Armyguy

> I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

> for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

> doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

> better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

> not work as well as others.

>

> Does anyone else have similar experiences?

>

> Armyguy

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> Those refrigeration requirements would only apply after

the powder and

> diluent are mixed, though, right?

Actually, the refrigeration requirements apply *before* the powder and

the diluent are mixed. I once made the mistake of forgetting to put my

HCG in the fridge and as a result it was left out overnight. A GP

friend of mine checked with the company (Pregnyl), who said that it

should be thrown away. So it makes no difference whether you've mixed

the diluent with the powder or not: it *must* be refrigerated in

whatever state.

[Guest guest]

I had Novarel shipped from Medco and they shipped it in a cooler with ice

blocks NOT reconstituted. I have since kept it in the fridge in both forms.

I don't know if this helps but Meco's special pharmacy believes it should be

shipped cooled.

On 12/28/06, Dave <groups@...> wrote:

>

> I just checked the box on my APP branded HCG:

>

> " Store at controlled room temperature (58 - 86 degrees). Refrigerate after

> reconsituting. "

>

> The whole point of freeze drying and needed to reconstitute is to allow

> for

> prolonged storage at room temperature, isn't it?

>

> _____

>

> From: < %40>[mailto:

> < %40>]

> On Behalf Of colinpaulturner

> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:23 PM

> < %40>

> Subject: Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more

> effective

> than others?

>

>

> > Those refrigeration requirements would only apply after

> the powder and

> > diluent are mixed, though, right?

>

> Actually, the refrigeration requirements apply *before* the powder and

> the diluent are mixed. I once made the mistake of forgetting to put my

> HCG in the fridge and as a result it was left out overnight. A GP

> friend of mine checked with the company (Pregnyl), who said that it

> should be thrown away. So it makes no difference whether you've mixed

> the diluent with the powder or not: it *must* be refrigerated in

> whatever state.

>

>

[Guest guest]

They do this because of the water that it comes with but it does not need to be

kept cool in the firge. The water is not open yet when it's opened then you

need to keep it cool. I have been sent 6 boxs at a time and keep in up in the

linen closet. I can tell if it's not good I feel it 30 mins. after a shot. I

don't feel it's a bad Idea and if you don't have kids or grandkids that will get

into it fine.

Phil

Osborne <ozzmed@...> wrote:

I had Novarel shipped from Medco and they shipped it in a cooler with

ice

blocks NOT reconstituted. I have since kept it in the fridge in both forms.

I don't know if this helps but Meco's special pharmacy believes it should be

shipped cooled.

On 12/28/06, Dave <groups@...> wrote:

>

> I just checked the box on my APP branded HCG:

>

> " Store at controlled room temperature (58 - 86 degrees). Refrigerate after

> reconsituting. "

>

> The whole point of freeze drying and needed to reconstitute is to allow

> for

> prolonged storage at room temperature, isn't it?

>

> _____

>

> From: < %40>[mailto:

> < %40>]

> On Behalf Of colinpaulturner

> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:23 PM

> < %40>

> Subject: Re: HCG - are some brands and lot #'s more

> effective

> than others?

>

>

> > Those refrigeration requirements would only apply after

> the powder and

> > diluent are mixed, though, right?

>

> Actually, the refrigeration requirements apply *before* the powder and

> the diluent are mixed. I once made the mistake of forgetting to put my

> HCG in the fridge and as a result it was left out overnight. A GP

> friend of mine checked with the company (Pregnyl), who said that it

> should be thrown away. So it makes no difference whether you've mixed

> the diluent with the powder or not: it *must* be refrigerated in

> whatever state.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really dont think the pharmacy knows what its doing here. HCG is not

refrigerated at pharmacys when you purchase it. So it does not require

refigeration until its constituted.

That being said, and in the interest of optimal use, might not hurt to

cool down the water before constituting it, I may do that next time.

Armyguy

> > > Those refrigeration requirements would only apply after

> > the powder and

> > > diluent are mixed, though, right?

> >

> > Actually, the refrigeration requirements apply *before* the powder and

> > the diluent are mixed. I once made the mistake of forgetting to put my

> > HCG in the fridge and as a result it was left out overnight. A GP

> > friend of mine checked with the company (Pregnyl), who said that it

> > should be thrown away. So it makes no difference whether you've mixed

> > the diluent with the powder or not: it *must* be refrigerated in

> > whatever state.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The other thing is, I dont have access to Novarel because Im in

Canada, we only have PPC. I believe PPC is made by an American lab,

not sure which one.

Armyguy

à

> > I have personally found that some HCG lot's have worked much better

> > for me than others. I am not sure if this is because my body simply

> > doesn't respond as well sometimes or if some lot's and brands are

> > better than others. I lean towards it being some brands and lots do

> > not work as well as others.

> >

> > Does anyone else have similar experiences?

> >

> > Armyguy

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >