Re: Test Results today

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Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I

don't remember I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry

about your Total T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If

you start changing your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex

you will need unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Thanks Dan sounds like a good plain I know I can go up high on E2 and not lose

wood but when I first tested it I was over 90. I don't like going to high

because it makes me feel panic. So Roy do this.

Phil

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your

E2 was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking

0.25 mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi Guys,

> Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

> Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

> doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

> range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

> Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

> Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

> So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

> The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

> go back on Arimidex yet?

> Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

> Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

If you can get your Total T down to more like 650 - 750 your E2 will

likely drop significantly.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dan & Phil,

That sounds like a good plan to me. I think I will wait another week and see

what

happens. Yes I took one 0.25mg every 7 days before it went too low. I have not

had any known erections since that first time, a day before I attempted sex

and was successful. So then if I don't get any more erections I should take

0.25mg in a week right? I have never had many woods in my life that I can

remember not until I started Cialis .

However I never know I might be having a wood while I am sleeping and

don't know it. I think pumping might help that out from what I have read.

The exercise I mean. I still have to use the pump to hold and erection

normally anyway due to a bad check valve. I had good sex for many years

before that E2 got too high, then nothing, couldn't orgasm at all and

wasn't interested in attempting sex. It is difficult for me to know when

I am going too high because I have only had 3 woods so far with this

schedule total. I will see what happens by this week end and go from

there. The only thing that concerned me was the high value of Total T

Won't make my blood too thick? I will continue on the 80mg per week

as something is working and I know numbers are only a reference point.

Thanks again to both of you,

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good

and your E2 was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were

taking 0.25 mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with

Phil, you should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right

for your size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about

another week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you

just now got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and

see if your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high

on E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then

I would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4

weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Well, what do you suggest, lower my shots down from 80mg Wk

to maybe 60mg a week? Phil and Dan suggested I keep on with

the 80mg a week since I did succeed in have a good orgasm

with that reading and only balance the Arimidex accordingly.

I know it is important to only change ONE think at a time from

what I have read. As Dan said numbers don't tell it all. I don't

I can operate on that low a Total T, couldn't before this. The

only problem I had was E2 was too high.

Thanks,

Roy

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi Guys,

> Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

> Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

> doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

> range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

> Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

> Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

> So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

> The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

> go back on Arimidex yet?

> Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

> Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

If you can get your Total T down to more like 650 - 750 your E2 will

likely drop significantly.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Roy it is true if you lower your T levels your E2 is less a problem. When I got

my E2 down my Total and Free T went up high. My Dr. lowed my T meds my E2 went

to low and too many changes went on and it took me longer to figure this all

out. As we all know my problem has been my T levels were to low I don't do good

at mid range I do better up in the upper range. Do talk to your Dr. about your

blood getting to thick. I have mine checked every blood test.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Thanks Dan & Phil,

That sounds like a good plan to me. I think I will wait another week and see

what

happens. Yes I took one 0.25mg every 7 days before it went too low. I have not

had any known erections since that first time, a day before I attempted sex

and was successful. So then if I don't get any more erections I should take

0.25mg in a week right? I have never had many woods in my life that I can

remember not until I started Cialis .

However I never know I might be having a wood while I am sleeping and

don't know it. I think pumping might help that out from what I have read.

The exercise I mean. I still have to use the pump to hold and erection

normally anyway due to a bad check valve. I had good sex for many years

before that E2 got too high, then nothing, couldn't orgasm at all and

wasn't interested in attempting sex. It is difficult for me to know when

I am going too high because I have only had 3 woods so far with this

schedule total. I will see what happens by this week end and go from

there. The only thing that concerned me was the high value of Total T

Won't make my blood too thick? I will continue on the 80mg per week

as something is working and I know numbers are only a reference point.

Thanks again to both of you,

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Well, what do you suggest, lower my shots down from 80mg Wk

> to maybe 60mg a week? Phil and Dan suggested I keep on with

> the 80mg a week since I did succeed in have a good orgasm

> with that reading and only balance the Arimidex accordingly.

> I know it is important to only change ONE think at a time from

> what I have read. As Dan said numbers don't tell it all. I don't

> I can operate on that low a Total T, couldn't before this. The

> only problem I had was E2 was too high.

> Thanks,

> Roy

That sounds good to me. These very high T levels result in so much

more E2 and they also bring about the side effects of T - high

hemoglobin, polychemia, high cholesterol and blood pressure. I

personally found about 700-750 as ideal for me.

>retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>>Hi Guys,

>> Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

>> Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

>> doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

>> range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

>> Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

>> Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

>> So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

>> The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

>> go back on Arimidex yet?

>> Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

>> Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

>

>If you can get your Total T down to more like 650 - 750 your E2 will

>likely drop significantly.

>

>________________

>I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

>Terence

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Retro,

You have a good point there. After all this last test was done

before my shot and that should be the low end of the cycle, right?

That reading on Total T was 1080 Range 240-950. I am wondering

why it was higher this time than the last test in June!

Now I didn't consider this either and I am wondering if Dan and Phil

thought of this. The last test was in the middle of the cycle and it

read Total T 1040 Range 240-950. What that says to me is the

Total is really spiking right after the shot isn't it? How high would

you guess? 1200 1400 or so? The urologist told me that if it gets

over the high end my blood is too thick and could cause a stroke or

worse. Hemoglobin is iron isn't it? What is polycythemia mean Retro?

Either one of those cause 'thick blood?' How do these two affect

a person?

I did check my blood pressure this morning and it is higher than

usual 146/74 which is higher than normal for me but not much out

of range. My bench for that is max 140/90 I do take high blood

pressure medicine now too.. I also take cholesterol lowering

medication.

Thanks for the thought. I put it back to you other guys here now

how am I doing? This morning I did catch a little bit of wood

before I really came to this morning. Only 4th time since on this

regimen too. Went right down as soon as I felt it though.

Any further thoughts guys, would appreciate any enlightenment ~

Dr.Weston just informed me too that a medication called

Lisinopril can cause ED and I am taking that. I am going

to ask my doctor August 26th is this is causing some of my

problem reaching orgasm too. This is sure a balancing act!!!

Thanks Retro for the good thoughts.

Roy

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Well, what do you suggest, lower my shots down from 80mg Wk

> to maybe 60mg a week? Phil and Dan suggested I keep on with

> the 80mg a week since I did succeed in have a good orgasm

> with that reading and only balance the Arimidex accordingly.

> I know it is important to only change ONE think at a time from

> what I have read. As Dan said numbers don't tell it all. I don't

> I can operate on that low a Total T, couldn't before this. The

> only problem I had was E2 was too high.

> Thanks,

> Roy

That sounds good to me. These very high T levels result in so much

more E2 and they also bring about the side effects of T - high

hemoglobin, polychemia, high cholesterol and blood pressure. I

personally found about 700-750 as ideal for me.

>retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>>Hi Guys,

>> Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

>> Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

>> doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

>> range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

>> Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

>> Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

>> So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

>> The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

>> go back on Arimidex yet?

>> Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

>> Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

>

>If you can get your Total T down to more like 650 - 750 your E2 will

>likely drop significantly.

>

>________________

>I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

>Terence

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Phil and Dan,

I have a question for you guys. Since my last blood work in June

read high on Total T 1040 Range 240-950 and it was done in the

middle of the range, not just before the shot.

Now I took the blood just BEFORE my T shot and it was reading

1080 with same range, wouldn't this tell us that I probably peaked

away above that, like 1200 to 1500 or so right after my shot?

Doesn't make since.

Just what are the affects of TOO HIGH total T? last night I didn't

sleep well at all, woke up every hour or so and couldn't get back

to sleep. Woke up at 7 and that is unusual for me since I don't

usually go to bed until midnight. Could that be the cause of

aching body and hard to stay asleep. Retro said that too high

would cause high Hemoglobin, high blood pressure, high

cholesterol among other things. Pressure was up this AM

What do you think? I woke up thinking about that high reading

of total T and wondered just high the peak is right after the shot.

What do you think? Some revelations would help here! I did

have a small erection when I woke up though. I don't feel

quite as good this morning. Any new thoughts?

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Thanks Dan sounds like a good plain I know I can go up high on E2 and

not lose wood but when I first tested it I was over 90. I don't like going to

high because it makes me feel panic. So Roy do this.

Phil

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Roy have you ever had Thick Blood on TRT I feel this subject has you very upset.

I have been way to high doing t shots 400 mgs every 3 weeks and my blood never

came back to thick. I feel if this is going to happen to you it would have a

long time ago. I do know that men are prone to this and on a low dose of T they

blood acts up and they give blood to keep it thin. The test you need is a CBC.

Here is some info on this. If your Dr. has you on TRT and dose not check this

on every blood test I don't know what to tell you. But I feel your BP and lack

of sleep is because your all upset over this.

Phil

Polycythemia

Testosterone usage has been shown to increased " erythropoiesis, " or red blood

cell production. " Polycythemia " is an abnormally high level of red blood cells.

An excess of red blood cells thickens the blood, impeding its passage through

small blood vessels and causing a number of potential health problems. There are

a few different types of polycythemia: " polycythemia vera, " " relative

polycythemia, " and " secondary polycythemia. "

It is important to understand the differences between the three types of this

condition, because polycythemia as a result of testosterone usage would probably

best be categorized under secondary polycythemia. Of course, if your doctor

diagnoses you with polycythemia, it is still important to determine which type

of polycythemia you have and proceed with the proper treatment-- one should not

automatically assume that an initial elevated RBC or HCT reading is necessarily

secondary polycythemia simply based on testosterone use alone. Family history

and other factors (listed below) should be considered.

Polycythemia vera (or " primary polycythemia " ) is a rare myeloproliferative

disorder, meaning that the bone marrow cells (which produce red blood cells)

proliferate uncontrollably. In polycythemia vera, the RBC count increases

without being stimulated by the red blood cell stimulating hormone,

erythropoietin (EPO). Risk factors include exposure to radiation, some cancer

therapy drugs, and familial history of polycythemia vera.

In the case of relative polycythemia, an individual has an excess of RBCs due

to a loss of volume in the plasma (the liquid portion of the blood). This can be

due to dehydration, use of diuretics, burns, stress, or high blood pressure.

Secondary polycythemia is defined as an absolute increase in RBCs caused by an

increase in the RBC stimulating hormone, erythropoietin (EPO). Potential causes

include low blood oxygen caused by heart disease, prolonged carbon monoxide

exposure caused by smoking, hereditary disorders producing an abnormal

hemoglobin or an overproduction of EPO, or kidney disease.

Complications that can arise from polycythemia include thrombosis (blood clots

that can cause stroke or heart attack), hemorrhage, and heart failure.

The objective of treatment is to reduce the thickness of the blood due to the

increased red blood cell mass and to prevent hemorrhage and thrombosis.

Phlebotomy is one method used to reduce the high blood viscosity (blood

thickness). In phlebotomy, 1 pint of blood is removed weekly until the HCT is

less than 45%, then phlebotomy is continued as necessary.

For relative polycythemia and secondary polycythemia, treatment must also

address any underlying risk factors, such as smoking.

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil and Dan,

I have a question for you guys. Since my last blood work in June

read high on Total T 1040 Range 240-950 and it was done in the

middle of the range, not just before the shot.

Now I took the blood just BEFORE my T shot and it was reading

1080 with same range, wouldn't this tell us that I probably peaked

away above that, like 1200 to 1500 or so right after my shot?

Doesn't make since.

Just what are the affects of TOO HIGH total T? last night I didn't

sleep well at all, woke up every hour or so and couldn't get back

to sleep. Woke up at 7 and that is unusual for me since I don't

usually go to bed until midnight. Could that be the cause of

aching body and hard to stay asleep. Retro said that too high

would cause high Hemoglobin, high blood pressure, high

cholesterol among other things. Pressure was up this AM

What do you think? I woke up thinking about that high reading

of total T and wondered just high the peak is right after the shot.

What do you think? Some revelations would help here! I did

have a small erection when I woke up though. I don't feel

quite as good this morning. Any new thoughts?

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Thanks Dan sounds like a good plain I know I can go up high on E2 and not lose

wood but when I first tested it I was over 90. I don't like going to high

because it makes me feel panic. So Roy do this.

Phil

Dan Meatheany wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Phil through that whole article I read the words RBC. When I did my initial

whole blood series the RBC was checked. Mine read 4.29L Range 4.7-8.0.

Is this related to how thick the blood really is. I have tried to give blood

to

blood banks but they won't do it because I have stents in my heard and

have heart disease, so that is not an option for me I guess. Is this reading

a good thing in my case?

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Roy have you ever had Thick Blood on TRT I feel this subject has you

very upset. I have been way to high doing t shots 400 mgs every 3 weeks and my

blood never came back to thick. I feel if this is going to happen to you it

would have a long time ago. I do know that men are prone to this and on a low

dose of T they blood acts up and they give blood to keep it thin. The test you

need is a CBC. Here is some info on this. If your Dr. has you on TRT and dose

not check this on every blood test I don't know what to tell you. But I feel

your BP and lack of sleep is because your all upset over this.

Phil

Polycythemia

Testosterone usage has been shown to increased " erythropoiesis, " or red blood

cell production. " Polycythemia " is an abnormally high level of red blood cells.

An excess of red blood cells thickens the blood, impeding its passage through

small blood vessels and causing a number of potential health problems. There are

a few different types of polycythemia: " polycythemia vera, " " relative

polycythemia, " and " secondary polycythemia. "

It is important to understand the differences between the three types of this

condition, because polycythemia as a result of testosterone usage would probably

best be categorized under secondary polycythemia. Of course, if your doctor

diagnoses you with polycythemia, it is still important to determine which type

of polycythemia you have and proceed with the proper treatment-- one should not

automatically assume that an initial elevated RBC or HCT reading is necessarily

secondary polycythemia simply based on testosterone use alone. Family history

and other factors (listed below) should be considered.

Polycythemia vera (or " primary polycythemia " ) is a rare myeloproliferative

disorder, meaning that the bone marrow cells (which produce red blood cells)

proliferate uncontrollably. In polycythemia vera, the RBC count increases

without being stimulated by the red blood cell stimulating hormone,

erythropoietin (EPO). Risk factors include exposure to radiation, some cancer

therapy drugs, and familial history of polycythemia vera.

In the case of relative polycythemia, an individual has an excess of RBCs due to

a loss of volume in the plasma (the liquid portion of the blood). This can be

due to dehydration, use of diuretics, burns, stress, or high blood pressure.

Secondary polycythemia is defined as an absolute increase in RBCs caused by an

increase in the RBC stimulating hormone, erythropoietin (EPO). Potential causes

include low blood oxygen caused by heart disease, prolonged carbon monoxide

exposure caused by smoking, hereditary disorders producing an abnormal

hemoglobin or an overproduction of EPO, or kidney disease.

Complications that can arise from polycythemia include thrombosis (blood clots

that can cause stroke or heart attack), hemorrhage, and heart failure.

The objective of treatment is to reduce the thickness of the blood due to the

increased red blood cell mass and to prevent hemorrhage and thrombosis.

Phlebotomy is one method used to reduce the high blood viscosity (blood

thickness). In phlebotomy, 1 pint of blood is removed weekly until the HCT is

less than 45%, then phlebotomy is continued as necessary.

For relative polycythemia and secondary polycythemia, treatment must also

address any underlying risk factors, such as smoking.

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil and Dan,

I have a question for you guys. Since my last blood work in June

read high on Total T 1040 Range 240-950 and it was done in the

middle of the range, not just before the shot.

Now I took the blood just BEFORE my T shot and it was reading

1080 with same range, wouldn't this tell us that I probably peaked

away above that, like 1200 to 1500 or so right after my shot?

Doesn't make since.

Just what are the affects of TOO HIGH total T? last night I didn't

sleep well at all, woke up every hour or so and couldn't get back

to sleep. Woke up at 7 and that is unusual for me since I don't

usually go to bed until midnight. Could that be the cause of

aching body and hard to stay asleep. Retro said that too high

would cause high Hemoglobin, high blood pressure, high

cholesterol among other things. Pressure was up this AM

What do you think? I woke up thinking about that high reading

of total T and wondered just high the peak is right after the shot.

What do you think? Some revelations would help here! I did

have a small erection when I woke up though. I don't feel

quite as good this morning. Any new thoughts?

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Thanks Dan sounds like a good plain I know I can go up high on E2 and not lose

wood but when I first tested it I was over 90. I don't like going to high

because it makes me feel panic. So Roy do this.

Phil

Dan Meatheany wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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Roy are you on a blood thinner it looks like you are because it's low. I feel

but not sure Polycythemia is the following tests.

RBC

HGB

HCT

Anyway I feel you look ok.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil through that whole article I read the words RBC. When I did my initial

whole blood series the RBC was checked. Mine read 4.29L Range 4.7-8.0.

Is this related to how thick the blood really is. I have tried to give blood to

blood banks but they won't do it because I have stents in my heard and

have heart disease, so that is not an option for me I guess. Is this reading

a good thing in my case?

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy have you ever had Thick Blood on TRT I feel this subject has you very upset.

I have been way to high doing t shots 400 mgs every 3 weeks and my blood never

came back to thick. I feel if this is going to happen to you it would have a

long time ago. I do know that men are prone to this and on a low dose of T they

blood acts up and they give blood to keep it thin. The test you need is a CBC.

Here is some info on this. If your Dr. has you on TRT and dose not check this on

every blood test I don't know what to tell you. But I feel your BP and lack of

sleep is because your all upset over this.

Phil

Polycythemia

Testosterone usage has been shown to increased " erythropoiesis, " or red blood

cell production. " Polycythemia " is an abnormally high level of red blood cells.

An excess of red blood cells thickens the blood, impeding its passage through

small blood vessels and causing a number of potential health problems. There are

a few different types of polycythemia: " polycythemia vera, " " relative

polycythemia, " and " secondary polycythemia. "

It is important to understand the differences between the three types of this

condition, because polycythemia as a result of testosterone usage would probably

best be categorized under secondary polycythemia. Of course, if your doctor

diagnoses you with polycythemia, it is still important to determine which type

of polycythemia you have and proceed with the proper treatment-- one should not

automatically assume that an initial elevated RBC or HCT reading is necessarily

secondary polycythemia simply based on testosterone use alone. Family history

and other factors (listed below) should be considered.

Polycythemia vera (or " primary polycythemia " ) is a rare myeloproliferative

disorder, meaning that the bone marrow cells (which produce red blood cells)

proliferate uncontrollably. In polycythemia vera, the RBC count increases

without being stimulated by the red blood cell stimulating hormone,

erythropoietin (EPO). Risk factors include exposure to radiation, some cancer

therapy drugs, and familial history of polycythemia vera.

In the case of relative polycythemia, an individual has an excess of RBCs due to

a loss of volume in the plasma (the liquid portion of the blood). This can be

due to dehydration, use of diuretics, burns, stress, or high blood pressure.

Secondary polycythemia is defined as an absolute increase in RBCs caused by an

increase in the RBC stimulating hormone, erythropoietin (EPO). Potential causes

include low blood oxygen caused by heart disease, prolonged carbon monoxide

exposure caused by smoking, hereditary disorders producing an abnormal

hemoglobin or an overproduction of EPO, or kidney disease.

Complications that can arise from polycythemia include thrombosis (blood clots

that can cause stroke or heart attack), hemorrhage, and heart failure.

The objective of treatment is to reduce the thickness of the blood due to the

increased red blood cell mass and to prevent hemorrhage and thrombosis.

Phlebotomy is one method used to reduce the high blood viscosity (blood

thickness). In phlebotomy, 1 pint of blood is removed weekly until the HCT is

less than 45%, then phlebotomy is continued as necessary.

For relative polycythemia and secondary polycythemia, treatment must also

address any underlying risk factors, such as smoking.

Roy wrote:

Phil and Dan,

I have a question for you guys. Since my last blood work in June

read high on Total T 1040 Range 240-950 and it was done in the

middle of the range, not just before the shot.

Now I took the blood just BEFORE my T shot and it was reading

1080 with same range, wouldn't this tell us that I probably peaked

away above that, like 1200 to 1500 or so right after my shot?

Doesn't make since.

Just what are the affects of TOO HIGH total T? last night I didn't

sleep well at all, woke up every hour or so and couldn't get back

to sleep. Woke up at 7 and that is unusual for me since I don't

usually go to bed until midnight. Could that be the cause of

aching body and hard to stay asleep. Retro said that too high

would cause high Hemoglobin, high blood pressure, high

cholesterol among other things. Pressure was up this AM

What do you think? I woke up thinking about that high reading

of total T and wondered just high the peak is right after the shot.

What do you think? Some revelations would help here! I did

have a small erection when I woke up though. I don't feel

quite as good this morning. Any new thoughts?

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Thanks Dan sounds like a good plain I know I can go up high on E2 and not lose

wood but when I first tested it I was over 90. I don't like going to high

because it makes me feel panic. So Roy do this.

Phil

Dan Meatheany wrote:

Hey Roy - keep in mind its not just about numbers. If you feel good and your E2

was 57, then you may need a higher value.I think you said you were taking 0.25

mg of arimidex every 7 days and you went to 6 on E2. I agree with Phil, you

should not change your T dosage. 80 mgs every 7 days is about right for your

size. If you are feeling good, I would suggest taking 0.25 mgs in about another

week. You basically went 3 weeks with no erections which tells me you just now

got back to a condition that you function at. give it another week and see if

your erections continue. if they don't, you probably have gotten too high on

E2.If they continue, I wouldn't take any until I felt it going too high. Then I

would take 0.25 mgs one week short of that period which might be every 4 weeks.

Arkansas

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes you coming back up so now what did we say about taking less I don't remember

I think it was a 1/4 of a pill every 7 to 10 days. Don't worry about your Total

T being this high it's the Free T that is more inportant. If you start changing

your T shots you will never figure out what dose of Arimidex you will need

unless you can test every 2 to 4 weeks.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Hi Guys,

Phil and Dan here are the test results from last blood workup

Estradiol - 57 Range is 20-75 I don't know why mine

doesn't read like the rest of you guys but that is the same

range as before. What should the optimum be from that?

Total - 1080 H - Range 240-950 More than upper 1/3

Free T is - 18.4 - Range 9-30

So what do I need to do lower my 80mg shots down?

The Estradiol isn't bad is it? Or should it be lower. Should I

go back on Arimidex yet?

Just some thoughts. I feel great though is what is funny.

Kinda of sexy too, If I am allowed to say that :-)

Roy

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