Re: Thinking of Discontinuing treatment...

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:09:57 EDT, you wrote:

>I've probably brought this up before but, after 25 years of T. by injection,

> I'm really disgusted with treatment....especially the emotional and

>spiritual side of it. I've tried Androgel and Androderm etc but they wouldn't

>penetrate my skin; I've even switched to HCG for periods.

>

>I'm just tired of feeling like a sixteen year old sex maniac at age 50 for

>the first couple of days after injection and then sliding down the slippery

>slope towards depression the rest of the week. I'm tired of being angry and

>feeling guilty and frustrated most of the time. In 25 years, I've become a

> " jack of all trades " but master of nothing...I just can't stay focused due to

>my mood swings. I'm tired of people not taking the time to try to understand

>me. I'm tired of meaning well, trying hard and then failing.

>

>No, I don't take antidepressants; I've tried a couple of them also but

>found I just couldn't function. I went to a counselor for a while who was a

>big help but then he sent me to some quack psychiatrist who asked two or three

>questions and then wanted to prescribe everything under the sun! Who needs

>that? I am in good shape for my age (no other major physical problems, even

>do some martial arts stuff) and have two jobs...one in healthcare and one

>restoring and renting old houses. I'm not great at either.

>

>Can anyone identify with my experience? I'd much rather have a few good,

>productive years and then get osteo or something else than continue to live

>like this. I have been working on a book about my experiences and would

really

>like to finish it...but feel constantly distracted, incompetent, or both.

>

>Well, thanks for letting me vent a little...I'll appreciate some feedback.

>

>Dean in Cincy

Stopping can be dangerous for your health. How low were your T levels

when you started treatment? Mine were below 300 and I was breaking

ribs and moving into osteoporosis country 8 cracked ribs in two years.

You don't want to go there. Likewise the loss of drive and energy

will stagnate your life and relationships.

It sounds like your frustrated with the high T levels you're getting

and the spike and crash combo. How often are you getting shots? How

much per dose? Smaller shots more frequently could solve a lot of

this. Similarly if the sex drive of a 16 year old is a complaint - try

dropping your target T level to something more like 500. I'd guess

your spiking well over 800 by the symptoms you talk of.

I'd suspect too that your e2 levels are elevated given your talk of

hyper-emotionalism. Get a T level for 3 days after your shot, with an

e2 levels also and look for fine tuning to reach a more optimum result

for yourself. Stopping will likely be far worse and the health effects

are very real.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Dean,

I agree with Phil on considering doing your shots twice per week. I

do mine on Mondays and Thursdays - I do them myself with a tiny needle

into my thigh, which is practically painless. I don't notice any

mood or energy swings during the week. However, I AM still trying to

get my E2 in a good spot, which requires playing around with my dosage

of Arimidex.

I do Mondays and Thursdays because it's easier to remember than every

three days (which ends up being different days of the week each week).

Since the Thursday shot has to last longer than the Monday shot, I

prorate it. I take 3/7 of my weekly dose on Monday and 4/7 of my

weekly does on Thursday. So, for example, my weekly dose is 100 mg,

which is pretty typical. So, on Monday I shoot 43 mg (100 x 3/7) and

on Thursday I shoot 57 mg (100 x 4/7).

Eugene

[Guest guest]

Hey Dean

What is your TRT regiment - sounds like you are injecting too much too

infrequent. Consider doing 2 shots a week at half of the dose or less. What is

your weight and height? Also, when was the last time you had your E2 tested and

how much was it. Do you do arimidex?

You can't just quit - you'll feel like shit

Arkansas

DHerbert53@... wrote:

I've probably brought this up before but, after 25 years of T. by

injection,

I'm really disgusted with treatment....especially the emotional and

spiritual side of it. I've tried Androgel and Androderm etc but they wouldn't

penetrate my skin; I've even switched to HCG for periods.

I'm just tired of feeling like a sixteen year old sex maniac at age 50 for

the first couple of days after injection and then sliding down the slippery

slope towards depression the rest of the week. I'm tired of being angry and

feeling guilty and frustrated most of the time. In 25 years, I've become a

" jack of all trades " but master of nothing...I just can't stay focused due to

my mood swings. I'm tired of people not taking the time to try to understand

me. I'm tired of meaning well, trying hard and then failing.

No, I don't take antidepressants; I've tried a couple of them also but

found I just couldn't function. I went to a counselor for a while who was a

big help but then he sent me to some quack psychiatrist who asked two or three

questions and then wanted to prescribe everything under the sun! Who needs

that? I am in good shape for my age (no other major physical problems, even

do some martial arts stuff) and have two jobs...one in healthcare and one

restoring and renting old houses. I'm not great at either.

Can anyone identify with my experience? I'd much rather have a few good,

productive years and then get osteo or something else than continue to live

like this. I have been working on a book about my experiences and would really

like to finish it...but feel constantly distracted, incompetent, or both.

Well, thanks for letting me vent a little...I'll appreciate some feedback.

Dean in Cincy

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Dean

>

> What is your TRT regiment - sounds like you are injecting too

much too infrequent. Consider doing 2 shots a week at half of the

dose or less. What is your weight and height? Also, when was the last

time you had your E2 tested and how much was it. Do you do arimidex?

>

> You can't just quit - you'll feel like shit

>

> Arkansas

>

Hi Dan et al,

I take 100 mg T. Cyp or Ethanate once a week...that's all. I am

5'10 " and 165 lbs. Never had E2 tested or taken Arimidex. Yes, I

did take a break for a few months and did feel like crap ... but I am

really tired of being angry and obsessing over sex and stuff. It's

been suggested that adult ADD may be a problem but I'm a little old

to worry about that.

Thanks

Dean

[Guest guest]

if someon has suggested adult ADD or ADHD then get it checked it may be adding

to your issues

i was diagnosed ADHD inattenitve bordeline hpyeractive 3 weeks ago,also 3 yrs

ago diagnosed aspergers/dyspraxia and dyslexia.

with the ADHD diagnosis i shortly take concerta a drug which may help with the

issues i have of mood swings/lethargy/non focusing and so on,all those also i

beleive are affected by my low testosterone and feel that all play a part.

dont rule out anything that may help you,so dont say i am a little too old,if

the diagnosies piuts you onto to trying something new then go for it.

you would of prob had adhd/add all your life and you will be able to see if

thats the case look back at family/work/school history etc

in uk we only have two ADHD diagnositc centres and i was seen by a leading team

in uk,and adults being diagnosied is very rare even within those two centres

so rare i am the only person in adult care services in my county to be given

concerta

my phyciatrist isv having to look up all needed to support me on it.

there is alos a useful document in the files section of this group on ADD and

low testosterone.

also those other diagonosis i have are fairly common co morbids with add/adhd

and in fact many now beleive are prob part of same thing,just over time

differant experts have researched and given differant names to things that are

in fact having same base neurological issues

regards paul

Re: Thinking of Discontinuing treatment...

>

> Hey Dean

>

> What is your TRT regiment - sounds like you are injecting too

much too infrequent. Consider doing 2 shots a week at half of the

dose or less. What is your weight and height? Also, when was the last

time you had your E2 tested and how much was it. Do you do arimidex?

>

> You can't just quit - you'll feel like shit

>

> Arkansas

>

Hi Dan et al,

I take 100 mg T. Cyp or Ethanate once a week...that' s all. I am

5'10 " and 165 lbs. Never had E2 tested or taken Arimidex. Yes, I

did take a break for a few months and did feel like crap ... but I am

really tired of being angry and obsessing over sex and stuff. It's

been suggested that adult ADD may be a problem but I'm a little old

to worry about that.

Thanks

Dean

[Guest guest]

why couldn't you just take half your dose for example at 7am

monday...then take your thursday dose at 7pm. Wouldn't that balance

out perfectly?

>

> Dean,

>

> I agree with Phil on considering doing your shots twice per week. I

> do mine on Mondays and Thursdays - I do them myself with a tiny needle

> into my thigh, which is practically painless. I don't notice any

> mood or energy swings during the week. However, I AM still trying to

> get my E2 in a good spot, which requires playing around with my dosage

> of Arimidex.

>

> I do Mondays and Thursdays because it's easier to remember than every

> three days (which ends up being different days of the week each week).

> Since the Thursday shot has to last longer than the Monday shot, I

> prorate it. I take 3/7 of my weekly dose on Monday and 4/7 of my

> weekly does on Thursday. So, for example, my weekly dose is 100 mg,

> which is pretty typical. So, on Monday I shoot 43 mg (100 x 3/7) and

> on Thursday I shoot 57 mg (100 x 4/7).

>

> Eugene

>

[Guest guest]

,

> why couldn't you just take half your dose for example at 7am

> monday...then take your thursday dose at 7pm. Wouldn't that balance

> out perfectly?

That's definitely a good approach. For me, I chose two morning

injections for two reasons:

1. I do my HCG at the same time, and I don't want to do that at night

because some report that it is stimulating, and I already have some

sleep issues.

2. It's more convenient and consistent for me to do my meds in the

morning.

The downside is that I have to remember to do 44 mg on Mondays and 56

mgs on Thursdays, and maybe my levels are slightly less even, but I

think my method works well for me.

Eugene

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I think you will find your life changes badly when the T level goes down.

If you read The Testosterone Syndrome, you know what has been helped

and what will be lost when you stop.

Seems like if it were a thyroid or diabetes problem you would respect

your bodies need for these vital hormones more.

Yes I think you will suffer.

I have been receiving TRT via hormone pellet therapy from Dr. Gambrell

every 4 months even though I had to drive from upstate NY to do it.

Our son lives in Cary, NC so we would make a visit to him and go over

to Augusta for a long day trip. He has patients that still fly in from

all over the US to see him. It used to be a higher number when pellets

were not available in CA and the western states.

We recently moved down to NC in Dec so the trip is shorter than it

used to be.

I am over 65 so my medicare covers most of the expense of the visit.

Normally it would be about $450 for 20 new 75mg pellets but I now only

pay $106 I believe. These days when a prescription is as expensive as

an airline ticket, traveling to Augusta may be an option to consider.

He is on the internet so check on him using GOOGLE.

ernestnolan

>

> I've probably brought this up before but, after 25 years of T. by

injection,

> I'm really disgusted with treatment....especially the emotional and

> spiritual side of it. I've tried Androgel and Androderm etc but

they wouldn't

> penetrate my skin; I've even switched to HCG for periods.

>

> I'm just tired of feeling like a sixteen year old sex maniac at age

50 for

> the first couple of days after injection and then sliding down the

slippery

> slope towards depression the rest of the week. I'm tired of being

angry and

> feeling guilty and frustrated most of the time. In 25 years, I've

become a

> " jack of all trades " but master of nothing...I just can't stay

focused due to

> my mood swings. I'm tired of people not taking the time to try to

understand

> me. I'm tired of meaning well, trying hard and then failing.

>

> No, I don't take antidepressants; I've tried a couple of them

also but

> found I just couldn't function. I went to a counselor for a while

who was a

> big help but then he sent me to some quack psychiatrist who asked

two or three

> questions and then wanted to prescribe everything under the sun!

Who needs

> that? I am in good shape for my age (no other major physical

problems, even

> do some martial arts stuff) and have two jobs...one in healthcare

and one

> restoring and renting old houses. I'm not great at either.

>

> Can anyone identify with my experience? I'd much rather have a few

good,

> productive years and then get osteo or something else than continue

to live

> like this. I have been working on a book about my experiences and

would really

> like to finish it...but feel constantly distracted, incompetent, or

both.

>

> Well, thanks for letting me vent a little...I'll appreciate some

feedback.

>

> Dean in Cincy

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