Re: Overprescribing T Cyp.

May 24, 2006

-

Hi Eugene!

I always leave the needle only very slightly snugged onto the

syringe so after I push in the juice, while leaving the needle in my

leg, I unscrew the needle from the syringe and then lift the plunger

in the syringe up to so maybe 1/16 of an inch just a slight bit of

air shows and then screw it back on the syringe and then inject the

rest of what remained in the entire needle. This gets it all. And

sometimes I inject just a tiny bit of air after getting all the juice

in so that I hear the bubbles, this is also nothing to be concerned

about. Yes, it is possible to try to get all the depo out of a

bottle towards the end by keeping the tip of the needle even slightly

below surface level, but hey the stuff is really cheap and we are

talking cents on a dollar at the very end attempting to salvage.

There is no reason to start all over with a new needle and juice if

you hit a vein, what possible sense does that make, it is your body

so wipe the needle off with the cotton alcohol swab and stick it in

again. I have been self injecting for 35 years now, and I use the

same needle and syring two times minimum and sometimes three. Why not?

I am not using an " infected " syringe, just wipe it off and put in

back in its plastic holder and put it and the depo bottle into the

desk drawer ready to use about 8 days later. Also, I can remember

maybe five times in 35 years that I " hit a vein " and that was way

back in the days when I would " foolishly " stick the needle in too

damn far. All you are trying to do it get the stuff slowly around a

half an inch into your flesh and if you grab and handful of upper

outsideish flesh and pull it away from the bone and stick the needle

in only a half inch, then go ahead and put the juice it. I think

people stick the needle it way to far, and thus run a much higher

chance of getting it so deep into the flesh it can possibly go into

a blood vessel. In fact, I can tell you that not one in 35 years

have I bothered to stick it in and then pull back on the plunger to

see if any blood backs up in the syringe. I have never done this, I

personally consider it unnecessary if the needle is only stuck in a

little bit as it is going straight into the outside flesh and there

is no big blood vessel that close to the surface. Again, just buy

the bottle of T cyp and draw out one half a CC or 100mg from a bottle

labeled 200mg and inject it about once a week give or take a so, this

is not rocket science, it is not perfect, and you will be just fine.

Norton

>

> I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring to me

> that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-

prescribed

> a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be impossible

to

> actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

>

> 1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

> 2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

> syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

> 3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

> 4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

>

> So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into my

> prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or

insights

> on this?

>

> Thanks,

> Eugene

>

May 24, 2006

>

> I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring to me

> that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-prescribed

> a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be impossible to

> actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

>

> 1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

> 2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

> syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

> 3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

> 4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

>

> So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into my

> prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or insights

> on this?

>

> Thanks,

> Eugene

>

Yeah but not 20%. I always get at least 19 doses. I almost always

get 20. If the last one is short, it is only by a hair. When you get

to the end, put the needle in the vial as always. Turn the

vial/syringe over. Withdraw the needle till only the bevel is still

inside. You can get all but the very last drop.

20% implies you're going to mess up 4 doses worth.

Just plan on getting your refill a little ahead of running out or go

back to the doc for a renewed script a little ahead. If you don't get

all your doses out of the old vial you can start the new vial.

Brad

May 24, 2006

My Dr. over wrights it big time a 10ml vile for 90 days. I get it at

medcohealth every 90 days so I always have one full vile waiting.

Phil

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring to me

that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-prescribed

a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be impossible to

actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into my

prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or insights

on this?

Thanks,

Eugene

May 24, 2006

I know I'm not going to change a 35year " Juicer's " mind but

Testosterone in TRT is not called " The Juice " . Only steroid junkies

call their Testosterone " The Juice " , LOL!

Secondly, the amount of Test in the needle is so minuscule that I

can't believe someone would actually try to push that last bit out

with air. The tick marks on the syringe measure the actual

injectable amount and takes into account the tiny amount left in the

syringe so this doesn't make any sense to me.

Additionally, purposefully injecting air is dangerous and should not

be done, usually it's not a problem but all it takes in one bad

injection to cause an air embolism. And it's not good practice to

avoid aspirating your injection. Injecting into a vein, although a

rare occurrence, would totally waist your dose, why skip a two

second step in IM injections to avoid this, I just don't get it.

ASaxon

>

> -

> Hi Eugene!

> I always leave the needle only very slightly snugged onto the

> syringe so after I push in the juice, while leaving the needle in

my

> leg, I unscrew the needle from the syringe and then lift the

plunger

> in the syringe up to so maybe 1/16 of an inch just a slight bit of

> air shows and then screw it back on the syringe and then inject

the

> rest of what remained in the entire needle. This gets it all. And

> sometimes I inject just a tiny bit of air after getting all the

juice

> in so that I hear the bubbles, this is also nothing to be

concerned

> about. Yes, it is possible to try to get all the depo out of a

> bottle towards the end by keeping the tip of the needle even

slightly

> below surface level, but hey the stuff is really cheap and we are

> talking cents on a dollar at the very end attempting to salvage.

> There is no reason to start all over with a new needle and juice

if

> you hit a vein, what possible sense does that make, it is your

body

> so wipe the needle off with the cotton alcohol swab and stick it

in

> again. I have been self injecting for 35 years now, and I use the

> same needle and syring two times minimum and sometimes three. Why

not?

> I am not using an " infected " syringe, just wipe it off and put in

> back in its plastic holder and put it and the depo bottle into the

> desk drawer ready to use about 8 days later. Also, I can remember

> maybe five times in 35 years that I " hit a vein " and that was way

> back in the days when I would " foolishly " stick the needle in too

> damn far. All you are trying to do it get the stuff slowly around

a

> half an inch into your flesh and if you grab and handful of upper

> outsideish flesh and pull it away from the bone and stick the

needle

> in only a half inch, then go ahead and put the juice it. I think

> people stick the needle it way to far, and thus run a much higher

> chance of getting it so deep into the flesh it can possibly go into

> a blood vessel. In fact, I can tell you that not one in 35 years

> have I bothered to stick it in and then pull back on the plunger

to

> see if any blood backs up in the syringe. I have never done this,

I

> personally consider it unnecessary if the needle is only stuck in

a

> little bit as it is going straight into the outside flesh and

there

> is no big blood vessel that close to the surface. Again, just buy

> the bottle of T cyp and draw out one half a CC or 100mg from a

bottle

> labeled 200mg and inject it about once a week give or take a so,

this

> is not rocket science, it is not perfect, and you will be just

fine.

> Norton

> >

> > I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring

to me

> > that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-

> prescribed

> > a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be

impossible

> to

> > actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

> >

> > 1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

> > 2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

> > syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

> > 3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

> > 4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

> >

> > So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into my

> > prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or

> insights

> > on this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Eugene

> >

>

May 24, 2006

I'm guessing you don't reuse $0.25 syringes either.

Brad

>

> I know I'm not going to change a 35year " Juicer's " mind but

> Testosterone in TRT is not called " The Juice " . Only steroid junkies

> call their Testosterone " The Juice " , LOL!

>

> Secondly, the amount of Test in the needle is so minuscule that I

> can't believe someone would actually try to push that last bit out

> with air. The tick marks on the syringe measure the actual

> injectable amount and takes into account the tiny amount left in the

> syringe so this doesn't make any sense to me.

>

> Additionally, purposefully injecting air is dangerous and should not

> be done, usually it's not a problem but all it takes in one bad

> injection to cause an air embolism. And it's not good practice to

> avoid aspirating your injection. Injecting into a vein, although a

> rare occurrence, would totally waist your dose, why skip a two

> second step in IM injections to avoid this, I just don't get it.

>

> ASaxon

>

May 24, 2006

Mr. Asaxon,

Sir, I feel I need to staighten you out on a few things.

First, I am NOT a, as you so cleverly say, a " juicer " . I don't know

what a juicer is, it sounds like you do. Oh wait, I think I just got

it, yes I see it in your post, a juicer is a steroid junkie, I guess

you mean like a body builder. No sir, I am not a body builder. I am,

however, both Primary and Secondary Hypo, and have been since birth.

Perhaps you have some clever, and no doubt degrading, name you want

to make up for me now? Go ahead smart guy, take your best shot. I

have been called a lot worse than anything you can come with all my

life. Now, still with me? I see you think it is amusing to use the

letters " LOL " as in laugh out loud. Snicker snicker, go ahead and

laugh at me with your superior attitude if it makes you feel good.

You can poke fun, laugh, and mock me all day. I have spent a

lifetime dealing with hypo crap you cannot even imagine, and I don't

like or appreciate your smart alec talking down and laughing at me.

I have my honest answer to honest questions, from the personal

experience of 35 years of injecting testosterone. Like my answers or

not, they were presented in a courteous, non tanuting, non laughing

manner to another forum member. Unlike the way you have had fun

cutting me down. Now, if the moderator thinks my defense of myself

to your attack is unwarranted, then he can let me know and I will

leave this list, and you can fill the air with your wisdom and wit.

norton

>

> I know I'm not going to change a 35year " Juicer's " mind but

> Testosterone in TRT is not called " The Juice " . Only steroid

junkies

> call their Testosterone " The Juice " , LOL!

>

> Secondly, the amount of Test in the needle is so minuscule that I

> can't believe someone would actually try to push that last bit out

> with air. The tick marks on the syringe measure the actual

> injectable amount and takes into account the tiny amount left in

the

> syringe so this doesn't make any sense to me.

>

> Additionally, purposefully injecting air is dangerous and should

not

> be done, usually it's not a problem but all it takes in one bad

> injection to cause an air embolism. And it's not good practice to

> avoid aspirating your injection. Injecting into a vein, although a

> rare occurrence, would totally waist your dose, why skip a two

> second step in IM injections to avoid this, I just don't get it.

>

> ASaxon

>

> >

> > -

> > Hi Eugene!

> > I always leave the needle only very slightly snugged onto the

> > syringe so after I push in the juice, while leaving the needle in

> my

> > leg, I unscrew the needle from the syringe and then lift the

> plunger

> > in the syringe up to so maybe 1/16 of an inch just a slight bit

of

> > air shows and then screw it back on the syringe and then inject

> the

> > rest of what remained in the entire needle. This gets it all.

And

> > sometimes I inject just a tiny bit of air after getting all the

> juice

> > in so that I hear the bubbles, this is also nothing to be

> concerned

> > about. Yes, it is possible to try to get all the depo out of a

> > bottle towards the end by keeping the tip of the needle even

> slightly

> > below surface level, but hey the stuff is really cheap and we are

> > talking cents on a dollar at the very end attempting to salvage.

> > There is no reason to start all over with a new needle and juice

> if

> > you hit a vein, what possible sense does that make, it is your

> body

> > so wipe the needle off with the cotton alcohol swab and stick it

> in

> > again. I have been self injecting for 35 years now, and I use

the

> > same needle and syring two times minimum and sometimes three. Why

> not?

> > I am not using an " infected " syringe, just wipe it off and put in

> > back in its plastic holder and put it and the depo bottle into

the

> > desk drawer ready to use about 8 days later. Also, I can

remember

> > maybe five times in 35 years that I " hit a vein " and that was way

> > back in the days when I would " foolishly " stick the needle in too

> > damn far. All you are trying to do it get the stuff slowly

around

> a

> > half an inch into your flesh and if you grab and handful of upper

> > outsideish flesh and pull it away from the bone and stick the

> needle

> > in only a half inch, then go ahead and put the juice it. I think

> > people stick the needle it way to far, and thus run a much higher

> > chance of getting it so deep into the flesh it can possibly go

into

> > a blood vessel. In fact, I can tell you that not one in 35 years

> > have I bothered to stick it in and then pull back on the plunger

> to

> > see if any blood backs up in the syringe. I have never done

this,

> I

> > personally consider it unnecessary if the needle is only stuck in

> a

> > little bit as it is going straight into the outside flesh and

> there

> > is no big blood vessel that close to the surface. Again, just

buy

> > the bottle of T cyp and draw out one half a CC or 100mg from a

> bottle

> > labeled 200mg and inject it about once a week give or take a so,

> this

> > is not rocket science, it is not perfect, and you will be just

> fine.

> > Norton

> > >

> > > I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring

> to me

> > > that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-

> > prescribed

> > > a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be

> impossible

> > to

> > > actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

> > >

> > > 1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

> > > 2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

> > > syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

> > > 3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

> > > 4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

> > >

> > > So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into

my

> > > prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or

> > insights

> > > on this?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Eugene

> > >

> >

>

May 24, 2006

Norton,

You are then man!

I do enjoy all of your posts, but this one just made me smile.

Even when my blood tests come back with my testosterone below the middle of the

range,

my Endo still thinks i am some body builder of sorts... never been in a gym

ever.... I am

just a big strong guy that use to be a world class athlete. Now my pituitary is

being

crushed and is no longer working. Well i love the " juice " and the " gear " as i

would be dead

without it....

> > >

> > > -

> > > Hi Eugene!

> > > I always leave the needle only very slightly snugged onto the

> > > syringe so after I push in the juice, while leaving the needle in

> > my

> > > leg, I unscrew the needle from the syringe and then lift the

> > plunger

> > > in the syringe up to so maybe 1/16 of an inch just a slight bit

> of

> > > air shows and then screw it back on the syringe and then inject

> > the

> > > rest of what remained in the entire needle. This gets it all.

> And

> > > sometimes I inject just a tiny bit of air after getting all the

> > juice

> > > in so that I hear the bubbles, this is also nothing to be

> > concerned

> > > about. Yes, it is possible to try to get all the depo out of a

> > > bottle towards the end by keeping the tip of the needle even

> > slightly

> > > below surface level, but hey the stuff is really cheap and we are

> > > talking cents on a dollar at the very end attempting to salvage.

> > > There is no reason to start all over with a new needle and juice

> > if

> > > you hit a vein, what possible sense does that make, it is your

> > body

> > > so wipe the needle off with the cotton alcohol swab and stick it

> > in

> > > again. I have been self injecting for 35 years now, and I use

> the

> > > same needle and syring two times minimum and sometimes three. Why

> > not?

> > > I am not using an " infected " syringe, just wipe it off and put in

> > > back in its plastic holder and put it and the depo bottle into

> the

> > > desk drawer ready to use about 8 days later. Also, I can

> remember

> > > maybe five times in 35 years that I " hit a vein " and that was way

> > > back in the days when I would " foolishly " stick the needle in too

> > > damn far. All you are trying to do it get the stuff slowly

> around

> > a

> > > half an inch into your flesh and if you grab and handful of upper

> > > outsideish flesh and pull it away from the bone and stick the

> > needle

> > > in only a half inch, then go ahead and put the juice it. I think

> > > people stick the needle it way to far, and thus run a much higher

> > > chance of getting it so deep into the flesh it can possibly go

> into

> > > a blood vessel. In fact, I can tell you that not one in 35 years

> > > have I bothered to stick it in and then pull back on the plunger

> > to

> > > see if any blood backs up in the syringe. I have never done

> this,

> > I

> > > personally consider it unnecessary if the needle is only stuck in

> > a

> > > little bit as it is going straight into the outside flesh and

> > there

> > > is no big blood vessel that close to the surface. Again, just

> buy

> > > the bottle of T cyp and draw out one half a CC or 100mg from a

> > bottle

> > > labeled 200mg and inject it about once a week give or take a so,

> > this

> > > is not rocket science, it is not perfect, and you will be just

> > fine.

> > > Norton

> > > >

> > > > I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring

> > to me

> > > > that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-

> > > prescribed

> > > > a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be

> > impossible

> > > to

> > > > actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

> > > > 2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

> > > > syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

> > > > 3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

> > > > 4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

> > > >

> > > > So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into

> my

> > > > prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or

> > > insights

> > > > on this?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Eugene

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 25, 2006

> First, I am NOT a, as you so cleverly say, a " juicer " . I don't know

> what a juicer is, it sounds like you do. Oh wait, I think I just got

> it, yes I see it in your post, a juicer is a steroid junkie, I guess

> you mean like a body builder.

No sir let me straighten you out: A body builder is a body builder. A

juicer, or steroid junkie, is someone that inappropriately uses

steroids for no medical purpose. There are plenty of body builders

that do not " juice. " Perhaps if you stayed away from the steroid

boards you wouldn't get your terminology mixed up. Juicing is not TRT!!!

> You can poke fun, laugh, and mock me all day. I have spent a

> lifetime dealing with hypo crap you cannot even imagine, and I don't

> like or appreciate your smart alec talking down and laughing at me.

> I have my honest answer to honest questions, from the personal

> experience of 35 years of injecting testosterone.

Your advice about injecting air and not aspirating are inappropriate,

wrong and potentially dangerous and if you don't like someone

challenging your bad advice then that's just too bad! My suggestions

are meant to give people the right information to avoid potential

complications from injections. I've only been injecting for a short

time and have already hit a vein so if I had taken your advice and not

aspirated and injected air I could possibly be dead. I couldn't care

less if you like my response or not, what you are saying is dangerous

and could kill someone!!!

Additionally, if you would use non-steroid junkie terminology people

might not mistake you for the same.

ASaxon

May 25, 2006

After your Doc gets more comfortable with you doing shots, he will probably

allow multiple refills over a 5 year period. If you come up short, don't sweat

it, get the next refill ~ 1 month prior to running out.

Dan

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

I'm just starting out with self-injections, but it is occuring to me

that a man will realistically need to have his T cyp. over-prescribed

a little bit. In other words, it seems like it would be impossible to

actually get 20 0.5 ml injections out of a 10 ml vial, because:

1. Some is left in the base of the needle after injecting.

2. If you hit a vein, some men may choose to start with a fresh

syringe, thereby wasting one injection.

3. Isn't it impossible to draw out every last bit from the vial?

4. Other miscellaneous mistakes and spills.

So, my doctor would need to build a little room for error into my

prescription - maybe 20%. Does anyone have any experience or insights

on this?

Thanks,

Eugene

May 25, 2006

There is no need to aspirate before injection of testosterone in oil form, even

if you inject

all of into a vein there will be no problem at all, the oil moves into the veins

anyway, that

is how it gets into the blood supply. It will spike your test level a little

faster and you may

get a slight cough from it, but you will not die from it.

As for using air during an injection, it is a well know and approved way to

create an air

bubble around the drug in the injection site by injecting some air with the

drug. No

problem there, and it is a good way to be sure that you have given the correct

dose by

pushing all the drug out of the needle with some air.

Another thing is that many people have tried to kill themselves with 10cc of air

into a vein

or even an artery and stayed alive. Some Doctor tried to kill his wife that way

with 300cc of

air and still it did not work.

>

> > First, I am NOT a, as you so cleverly say, a " juicer " . I don't know

> > what a juicer is, it sounds like you do. Oh wait, I think I just got

> > it, yes I see it in your post, a juicer is a steroid junkie, I guess

> > you mean like a body builder.

>

> No sir let me straighten you out: A body builder is a body builder. A

> juicer, or steroid junkie, is someone that inappropriately uses

> steroids for no medical purpose. There are plenty of body builders

> that do not " juice. " Perhaps if you stayed away from the steroid

> boards you wouldn't get your terminology mixed up. Juicing is not TRT!!!

>

> > You can poke fun, laugh, and mock me all day. I have spent a

> > lifetime dealing with hypo crap you cannot even imagine, and I don't

> > like or appreciate your smart alec talking down and laughing at me.

> > I have my honest answer to honest questions, from the personal

> > experience of 35 years of injecting testosterone.

>

> Your advice about injecting air and not aspirating are inappropriate,

> wrong and potentially dangerous and if you don't like someone

> challenging your bad advice then that's just too bad! My suggestions

> are meant to give people the right information to avoid potential

> complications from injections. I've only been injecting for a short

> time and have already hit a vein so if I had taken your advice and not

> aspirated and injected air I could possibly be dead. I couldn't care

> less if you like my response or not, what you are saying is dangerous

> and could kill someone!!!

>

> Additionally, if you would use non-steroid junkie terminology people

> might not mistake you for the same.

>

> ASaxon

>

May 25, 2006

Theta, I thank you for your reply to He Who Knows All. Thank you

for pointing out how stikingly wrong Asaxon is when he states that I

am giving bad advice about the possibility of injecting into a vein,

and also how wrong he is about injecting a slight amount of air.

Furthermore, as I so clearly stated initially, I am NOT a steriod

abuser or am I a body builder, and obviously I do not have any

history of steroid abuse, nor any infections or harm from 35 years of

self injecting testosterone. I have always called it " juice " as

early as 1971 just because it is a thick liquid, like juice. So, the

quantom leap in logic that I am a steroid abuser because I used the

word juice is absurd. There is a real danger of leaping to

conclusions about others without first attempting to understand the

individual and terminology used. Additionally, I clearly defined my

reasoning for injecting only a half inch into a big gob of thigh

flesh in order to protect against hitting a more major blood vessel,

as, most, anyone knows is deeper into the flesh. I stand by my

experience and opinion without apology, medically or ethically.

If I can rightfully be accused of giving wrong medical advice, then

so can everyone of this list, because my guess is every one of us is

without a medical degree, including my attacker. Never mind the

facts, it is always best to first personally find a way to mock,

laugh at, and cut down someone who says something one might disagree

with. And do it without recognition of wrongdoing and without

apology, that way one can continue to feel superior.

This is a public internet forum and as such will allow surfacing all

types from the vast diversity of the human gene pool.

norton

>

> There is no need to aspirate before injection of testosterone in

oil form, even if you inject

> all of into a vein there will be no problem at all, the oil moves

into the veins anyway, that

> is how it gets into the blood supply. It will spike your test level

a little faster and you may

> get a slight cough from it, but you will not die from it.

>

> As for using air during an injection, it is a well know and

approved way to create an air

> bubble around the drug in the injection site by injecting some air

with the drug. No

> problem there, and it is a good way to be sure that you have given

the correct dose by

> pushing all the drug out of the needle with some air.

>

> Another thing is that many people have tried to kill themselves

with 10cc of air into a vein

> or even an artery and stayed alive. Some Doctor tried to kill his

wife that way with 300cc of

> air and still it did not work.

>

> >

> > > First, I am NOT a, as you so cleverly say, a " juicer " . I don't

know

> > > what a juicer is, it sounds like you do. Oh wait, I think I

just got

> > > it, yes I see it in your post, a juicer is a steroid junkie, I

guess

> > > you mean like a body builder.

> >

> > No sir let me straighten you out: A body builder is a body

builder. A

> > juicer, or steroid junkie, is someone that inappropriately uses

> > steroids for no medical purpose. There are plenty of body

builders

> > that do not " juice. " Perhaps if you stayed away from the steroid

> > boards you wouldn't get your terminology mixed up. Juicing is

not TRT!!!

> >

> > > You can poke fun, laugh, and mock me all day. I have spent a

> > > lifetime dealing with hypo crap you cannot even imagine, and I

don't

> > > like or appreciate your smart alec talking down and laughing at

me.

> > > I have my honest answer to honest questions, from the personal

> > > experience of 35 years of injecting testosterone.

> >

> > Your advice about injecting air and not aspirating are

inappropriate,

> > wrong and potentially dangerous and if you don't like someone

> > challenging your bad advice then that's just too bad! My

suggestions

> > are meant to give people the right information to avoid potential

> > complications from injections. I've only been injecting for a

short

> > time and have already hit a vein so if I had taken your advice

and not

> > aspirated and injected air I could possibly be dead. I couldn't

care

> > less if you like my response or not, what you are saying is

dangerous

> > and could kill someone!!!

> >

> > Additionally, if you would use non-steroid junkie terminology

people

> > might not mistake you for the same.

> >

> > ASaxon

> >

>

May 25, 2006

Norton you are a great asset to this group and have helped me a lot. I don't

want to get in the middle of this and hope we can drop it. Any one here reading

posts knows they still need to follow what there DR. tells them to do.

And this is all there is to it. No one should do anything when it comes to meds

with out there Dr.'s consent. So no one is right or wrong here.

Phil

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