Re: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

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On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:49:18 -0500, you wrote:

>So.. having low testosterone... also known as Hypogonadism... or being

Hypogonadic... means low testosterone....and it must be replaced.

You mentioned your E2 was high. Can you give us the numbers and

measurements? Similarly did your Dr. test you for FSH, LH, and

prolactin. These are essential tests before beginning Testosterone.

You mentioned you already have high E2. the levels of T your are

taking are three times higher than that most individuals take. This

will only compound the high e2 levels you already have, as T is

converted to E2. And you will have a tremendous amount of " spill over "

into E2 with such high doses of T. E2 out competes T for many binding

sites in the body and robs you of many of the beneficial effects of T,

even when the T levels are high. The sites are full and there's no

place for it to act.

Many men with high E2 and low T can actually get their T levels up by

reducing their E2 levels. Some get a 200 to 300 point total T boost by

bringing down their E2 levels into mid normal. (20-30.) E2 reduces T

production via the hypothalamus -GNRH-pituitary feedback loops.

what your Dr. is doing seems exceptionally odd to those of us who've

been reading and studying T issues for years now.

I'd suggest reading the guidelines at:

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

If you haven't already.

It's a good explanations of T axis issues, but it's mostly silent

about E2 issues.

> Re: Re: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

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> Xcaliber wrote:

> > I don't know what your doctor is doing with your TRT program. But my doc

has me on a cycle. Read all the threads... and then you will understand what is

going on.

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> I've have never heard of a doctor cycling testosterone in men with low

> testosterone. On this list, which has several thousand members, this is

> the first time I've heard of such a thing. I also have never heard of

> anyone being treated for low testosterone who was on more than 150

> mg/week of testosterone, usually about 100 mg/week.

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> Personally, with a low T diagnosis in my 30s at 140 (and my doctor was

> very reticent to test for this), I only inject 80 mg/week of

> testosterone and 250 IU twice per week of HCG. I don't take the HCG to

> increase testosterone levels, because it doesn't help much, but to

> stimulate all LH receptors, both discovered and undiscovered ones.

> Testosterone replacement suppressed LH receptors and most doctors don't

> consider it an issue, yet.

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> Perhaps your doctor specializes in treating body builders or has had a

> lot of experience with them? Certainly, his protocol is off in the

> weeds with respect to testosterone replacement. It's not even old bad

> advice (which many endos follow), but worse still in my opinion.

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