Re: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

August 2, 2009

Many people(myself included) use HCG with Testosterone. Give 250IU twice a week

the day before your Test a try.

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From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 9:14:10 AM

Subject: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

August 2, 2009

Ok... will give that a try. I was worrying about not having the Hcg then from

my off cycle when needed. But if you all had good luck with all day chem. I

should be ok to use my the supply I have now.

HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

August 2, 2009

No don't do HCG on the same day you do shots when I started on HCG I was doing

shots once a week. I started with 500 IU's of Novarel 3x's a week after the

15th shot we did labs and my total t levels doubled. This told use after 23yrs.

thinking I am Primary that I am not I am Secondary meaning something is wrong

with my Pituitary Gland we did an MRI and nothing showed up but I had a head

injury some 27 yrs ago from an auto accident then after this I started getting

sick.

Today I do shots like Dr. Shippen does every 3 days shooting 40 mgs of 200mgs/ml

Depo Testosterone and I do 400 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots.

Doing this keeps me leveled and holds down my Estradiol levels being on TRT in

time will drive up your Estradiol levels so smaller shots of T more off ten

keeps this down.

For you I would do HCG the day before your next shot never do more then 500 IU's

in a day or your Testis can become desensitized to it.

Before going on HCG my testis were the size of small grapes now they are back to

there normal size here is a cut and past of a reply by Dr. at

www.allthingsmale.com that he did back to me to help get my Dr. to give me HCG.

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He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> Subject: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:14 AM

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone

> per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

> shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be

> taken at the same time, and at what doses? I'd like to

> have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

> benifit of my TRT.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

August 2, 2009

When you say off Cycle are you doing Anabolic Steroids if you are this can give

you Hypogonadism.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> Subject: Re: HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:29 AM

> Ok... will give that a try. I

> was worrying about not having the Hcg then from my off cycle

> when needed. But if you all had good luck with all day

> chem. I should be ok to use my the supply I have now.

>

> HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at

> the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at

> 210cc/ml. My Nads are shrinking. They look like grapes! Can

> HcG be taken at the same time, and at what doses? I'd like

> to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

> benifit of my TRT.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

August 2, 2009

As I said before... My levels according to my doctor are that of a 60 year old!

This has been the case since I was about 38 years old. I finally found a doctor

that is treating my low testosterone. But I've only been doing it since June of

this year. I'm due for my next Test. Shot tomorrow morning.

I have HcG here... 10,000 units / 10ml vial... and 100 unit insulin syringes. I

was wondering if I took a shot of Hcg the day before, if that will help with

increasing my boys back to their regular size.

I take 210mg/1cc dose 2 times per week. Monday and Thursday. But my testicles

are shrinking.

I'd like to plump them up again. I produce my own Test. but not in large enough

quantities. So.. I am hypogonadic. I'm 40 years old in a body that feels 60

+.

I ordered extra Hcg from alldaychem but have not heard from them...yet.

I hate to use what I have for my off cycle if all day chem doesn't come through

with the goods.

HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at

> the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at

> 210cc/ml. My Nads are shrinking. They look like grapes! Can

> HcG be taken at the same time, and at what doses? I'd like

> to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

> benifit of my TRT.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

August 2, 2009

Yes do the HCG up to 500 IU's the day before you next T shot I pray your not

doing 210mgs of Testosterone 2x's a week. In time your testis will come back up

in size you can go on and off HCG with out a drop in your levels and even stop

using it for a good time taking the HCG shot gets your testis working the best

they can if your primary. Don't do labs after doing an HCG shot stop if for

about 5 days before doing labs and do your labs the day of your next T shot but

before it. Try to keep you Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs

range and hold down your estradiol levels to about 20 pg/ml getting your

Estradiol down will give you some night time and morning wood so strong it will

wake you up this means your at your best levels. Don't cycle on and off TRT

just tell your Dr. you don't what to do this going up and down on your levels.

Read the AACE Guidelines and the following link on Arimidex boosting T levels

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Go to Dr. 's forum and post about cycling TRT see what replays you get.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> > Subject: Re: HcG and

> Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

> >

> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:29 AM

> > Ok... will give that a try. I

> > was worrying about not having the Hcg then from

> my off cycle

> > when needed. But if you all had good luck

> with all day

> > chem. I should be ok to use my the supply

> I have now.

> >

> > HcG

> and Testosterone Cyp. at

> > the same time?

> >

> > I'm taking 2 shots of

> Testosterone per week .75cc at

> > 210cc/ml. My Nads are shrinking. They look like

> grapes! Can

> > HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

> doses? I'd like

> > to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while

> feeling the

> > benifit of my TRT.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this

> message have been

> > removed]

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

August 2, 2009

Yes. The vial is compounded to 210/ml and the shot that I am taking on Monday

and Thursday is 1CC

HcG

> and Testosterone Cyp. at

> > the same time?

> >

> > I'm taking 2 shots of

> Testosterone per week .75cc at

> > 210cc/ml. My Nads are shrinking. They look like

> grapes! Can

> > HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

> doses? I'd like

> > to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while

> feeling the

> > benifit of my TRT.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this

> message have been

> > removed]

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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August 2, 2009

This is a lot way to much 1cc = 1ml. 210mgs/cc or ml is 210 mgs per shot doing

this much your levels are going to be very high and this high dose will stress

your Adrenals and cause you to have low Cortiol levels in time. Best to do 50

to 75 mgs 2x's / week also your blood can get to thick.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> > > Subject: Re:

> HcG and

> > Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, August 2,

> 2009, 10:29 AM

> > > Ok... will give that a

> try. I

> > > was worrying about not

> having the Hcg then from

> > my off cycle

> > > when needed. But if

> you all had good luck

> > with all day

> > > chem. I should be

> ok to use my the supply

> > I have now.

> > >

> > > -----

> Original Message -----

> > > From:

> Thornton

> > >

> > > Sent:

> Sunday, August 02, 2009

> > 9:25 AM

> > > Subject:

> Re:

> > HcG and Testosterone

> > > Cyp. at the same time?

> > >

> Many people(myself

> > included) use HCG with

> > > Testosterone. Give 250IU

> twice a week the day

> > before your

> > > Test a try.

> > >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > > From:

> Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> > >

> > > Sent:

> Sunday, August 2, 2009

> > 9:14:10 AM

> > > Subject:

> HcG

> > and Testosterone Cyp. at

> > > the same time?

> > >

> > > I'm

> taking 2 shots of

> > Testosterone per week .75cc at

> > > 210cc/ml. My Nads are

> shrinking. They look like

> > grapes! Can

> > > HcG be taken at the same

> time, and at what

> > doses? I'd like

> > > to have nice full, plump,

> looking B*lls while

> > feeling the

> > > benifit of my TRT.

> > >

>

> > > [Non-text

> portions of this

> > message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of

> this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

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> > >

August 2, 2009

He just upped it last week. with orders to begin the increase tomorrow. I will

only inject .75 cc instead and see what happens. I will hold off on the

anastrozole until the stuff I ordered from alldaychem are delivered. and will

split the pills as needed.

> HcG

> > and Testosterone Cyp. at

> > > the same time?

> > >

> > > I'm

> taking 2 shots of

> > Testosterone per week .75cc at

> > > 210cc/ml. My Nads are

> shrinking. They look like

> > grapes! Can

> > > HcG be taken at the same

> time, and at what

> > doses? I'd like

> > > to have nice full, plump,

> looking B*lls while

> > feeling the

> > > benifit of my TRT.

> > >

>

> > > [Non-text

> portions of this

> > message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of

> this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

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> > >

August 2, 2009

You need to stop the Anastrozxole until your night time and morning wood starts

up then go on it but take .25 mgs every 3 days here is a good link to read about

some of the things your trying to take.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/eman_vs_tm\

an

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

> > > >

> Subject: Re:

> > HcG and

> > > Testosterone Cyp. at the

> same time?

> > > > To:

>

> > > >

> Date: Sunday, August 2,

> > 2009, 10:29 AM

> > > >

> Ok... will give that a

> > try. I

> > > > was

> worrying about not

> > having the Hcg then from

> > > my off cycle

> > > >

> when needed. But if

> > you all had good luck

> > > with all day

> > > >

> chem. I should be

> > ok to use my the supply

> > > I have now.

> > > >

>

> > > > -----

> > Original Message -----

>

> > > > From:

> > Thornton

>

> > > > To:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Sent:

> > Sunday, August 02, 2009

> > > 9:25 AM

>

> > > > Subject:

> > Re:

> > > HcG and Testosterone

> > > >

> Cyp. at the same time?

> > > >

> > Many people(myself

> > > included) use HCG with

> > > >

> Testosterone. Give 250IU

> > twice a week the day

> > > before your

> > > >

> Test a try.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ________________________________

>

> > > > From:

> > Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

>

> > > > To:

>

> > > > Sent:

> > Sunday, August 2, 2009

> > > 9:14:10 AM

>

> > > > Subject:

> > HcG

> > > and Testosterone Cyp. at

> > > > the

> same time?

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I'm

> > taking 2 shots of

> > > Testosterone per week

> .75cc at

> > > >

> 210cc/ml. My Nads are

> > shrinking. They look like

> > > grapes! Can

> > > > HcG

> be taken at the same

> > time, and at what

> > > doses? I'd like

> > > > to

> have nice full, plump,

> > looking B*lls while

> > > feeling the

> > > >

> benifit of my TRT.

> > > >

> >

> > > [Non-text

> > portions of this

> > > message have been

> > > >

> removed]

> > > >

>

> > > >

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> > this message have been

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> > > >

>

August 2, 2009

Hi,

you may be under the impression this is a GEAR group.

it's not... it's a Testosterone Replacement Therapy group.

we don't " cycle " ... I went ON 3 years ago... there are people here who have been

on a LOT longer than me.

you do seem to be doing a LOT of test for TRT... standard weekly dosing is from

around 100-150mg.

> Ok... will give that a try. I was worrying about not having the Hcg then from

my off cycle when needed. But if you all had good luck with all day chem. I

should be ok to use my the supply I have now.

>

> HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

>

August 2, 2009

Do you know what a diagnosis of Hypogonadic is? Duh... I explained what my

blood work was. and who my doctor is... And what I'm taking. So if your

replying to my question on HcG.... you are the one that is mistaken...not me.

HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

>

August 2, 2009

And " standard dosing for you is just that.... FOR YOU! You are not me. My body

is different than yours. My program is different than yours.

This is a group for discussion on TRT.... which I am doing. GEAR? As in Body

Building? Is that what you are talking about? I'm no body builder...that is

for sure.

HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

>

August 2, 2009

I don't know what your doctor is doing with your TRT program. But my doc has me

on a cycle. Read all the threads... and then you will understand what is going

on.

HcG and Testosterone Cyp. at the same time?

>

> I'm taking 2 shots of Testosterone per week .75cc at 210cc/ml. My Nads are

shrinking. They look like grapes! Can HcG be taken at the same time, and at what

doses? I'd like to have nice full, plump, looking B*lls while feeling the

benifit of my TRT.

>

August 2, 2009

Xcaliber wrote:

> I don't know what your doctor is doing with your TRT program. But my doc has

me on a cycle. Read all the threads... and then you will understand what is

going on.

I've have never heard of a doctor cycling testosterone in men with low

testosterone. On this list, which has several thousand members, this is

the first time I've heard of such a thing. I also have never heard of

anyone being treated for low testosterone who was on more than 150

mg/week of testosterone, usually about 100 mg/week.

Personally, with a low T diagnosis in my 30s at 140 (and my doctor was

very reticent to test for this), I only inject 80 mg/week of

testosterone and 250 IU twice per week of HCG. I don't take the HCG to

increase testosterone levels, because it doesn't help much, but to

stimulate all LH receptors, both discovered and undiscovered ones.

Testosterone replacement suppressed LH receptors and most doctors don't

consider it an issue, yet.

Perhaps your doctor specializes in treating body builders or has had a

lot of experience with them? Certainly, his protocol is off in the

weeds with respect to testosterone replacement. It's not even old bad

advice (which many endos follow), but worse still in my opinion.

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August 2, 2009

you are under the impression that my body has completely shut down it's own

ability to produce testosterone. Mine has not. I still produce... just not at

the levels needed for a quality life. So that is why I cycle. You don't want