Re: Can you restart the HPTA??

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it can be restarted I think, but why would it be stopped? If you

have not used steroids or another medication which would suppress it, and I

am 99.9 percent sure you haven’t, there may be nothing to restart. You seem

to be in the same position I was in.

Have you ever used Propecia for hair loss mitigation? Dr. told me that

he has had a number of men who have had children while on TRT and the HCG

should help.

Also, look at www.dimfaq.org

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of brian7470

Sent: July 13, 2007 8:28 AM

Subject: Can you restart the HPTA??

Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

T test. First, here are my blood work results.

Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

you have.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:27:47 -0000, you wrote:

>Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

>many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

>kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

>almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

>started to lift and do aerobics last month.

> So I decided to get the

>CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

>T test. First, here are my blood work results.

>Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

>know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

>LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

>Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

>I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

>secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

>Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

>problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

>looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

>and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

>you have.

There have been a few case reported of people who messed up their

hypothalamic pituitary axis with steroid use, hormones or hair loss

medicines (that mess with hormones) - that have managed to essentially

reset their hormones with clomid or other, HCG or similar hormone

treatment.

It's rare. One would think though every endo would try it first in

secondary cases. Why spend a lifetime on t replacement if a one time

treatment could bring things back to normal?

[Guest guest]

Yes, I used Propecia several years ago, for maybe a half year...could

that have permanently screwed up the HPTA?? Interestingly, I took a

new test this week. It's an OTC male fertility test called Fertell. It

just came on the market...take a look at www.fertell.com, anyway, my

motile sperm count is over the 10 million threshold in spite of the

low T and LH.

>

> Sometimes it can be restarted I think, but why would it be stopped?

If you

> have not used steroids or another medication which would suppress

it, and I

> am 99.9 percent sure you haven't, there may be nothing to restart.

You seem

> to be in the same position I was in.

>

>

>

> Have you ever used Propecia for hair loss mitigation? Dr. told

me that

> he has had a number of men who have had children while on TRT and

the HCG

> should help.

>

> Also, look at www.dimfaq.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of brian7470

> Sent: July 13, 2007 8:28 AM

>

> Subject: Can you restart the HPTA??

>

>

>

> Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

> T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

> problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

> you have.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I did use propecia several years ago, for several months.

Wouldn't it be great if that stuff completely screwed up my HPTA??

Interestingly, my motile sperm count is above the WHO threshold of 10

million in spite of the low T and LH. Thank goodness. I was originally

worried about primary hypo. There's a new his and hers fertility test

called Fertell that I used www.fertell.com

>

> Sometimes it can be restarted I think, but why would it be stopped?

If you

> have not used steroids or another medication which would suppress it,

and I

> am 99.9 percent sure you haven't, there may be nothing to restart.

You seem

> to be in the same position I was in.

>

>

>

> Have you ever used Propecia for hair loss mitigation? Dr. told

me that

> he has had a number of men who have had children while on TRT and the

HCG

> should help.

>

> Also, look at www.dimfaq.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of brian7470

> Sent: July 13, 2007 8:28 AM

>

> Subject: Can you restart the HPTA??

>

>

>

> Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

> T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

> problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

> you have.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and wecome,

If your estradiol tests come back high then this could be your problems with

your sex life. Do get your sperm tested and if it is good have some frozen just

to be on the safe side. You can't jump start a bad pituitary all you can do is

test what is low and treat it. A lot of men do good just using HCG when they

are seconday start at 100 IU's a day and keep testing and doseing until your

levels are where you feel best at. Do post the rest of you tests when they come

in.

I don't know about DIM keeping estradiol down but Indolplex/DIM does if your

levels are high over 30 pg/ml get back to me and I will tell you were to get

this and how to take it.

brian7470 <briancull@...> wrote:

Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

T test. First, here are my blood work results.

Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

you have.

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'm 100% positive that it's not due to a pituitary lesion or

something like that. My twin brother also has low T, around 250+/-10.

Could be genetic, t production just starts shutting down too early, or

estradiol production goes up...I'll post the estradiol results when I

get them. By the way, what is your view on Clomiphene citrate taken at

25-50mg? Could this be a new long term therapy? Some articles I've

read in various med journal find it promising.

>

> Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

> T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

> problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

> you have.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your Estradiol comes back high getting it down you will feel like a new man.

Clomid is not good for long term use some Dr.'s are having good luck using it

but it has some nasty sides like eye floatyers and feeling like you have PMS.

brian7470 <briancull@...> wrote: Thanks, I'm 100% positive that

it's not due to a pituitary lesion or

something like that. My twin brother also has low T, around 250+/-10.

Could be genetic, t production just starts shutting down too early, or

estradiol production goes up...I'll post the estradiol results when I

get them. By the way, what is your view on Clomiphene citrate taken at

25-50mg? Could this be a new long term therapy? Some articles I've

read in various med journal find it promising.

>

> Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked for a

> T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve the

> problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any advice

> you have.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, what is the therapy or protocol for lowering estradiol??

> >

> > Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> > many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> > kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> > almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> > started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> > CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked

for a

> > T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> > Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> > know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> > LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> > Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> > I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> > secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> > Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve

the

> > problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> > looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> > and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any

advice

> > you have.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:50:57 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Yes, I used Propecia several years ago, for maybe a half year...could

>that have permanently screwed up the HPTA??

Yes thousands of guys are on TRT because of this shit.

[Guest guest]

There is a med your Dr. can give you called Arimidex it is very strong so you

only use to start 1/4 of a 1mg. pill every 3 days. There is an OTC supplement

called Indolplex/DIM I had dam good luck with for a long time. You take on

tablet with dinner. In about a week if your levels are not to high your will

get morning wood back the kind that wake you up. This means your levels are

good so I use this as a gauge to keep my levels right. If you go on eather one

and you get the wood you keep taking the dose you started with but if the wood

stops this means your going down to low. Going to low is just as bad as being

to high. So I stop what I am using until the wood comes back that day I go back

on the med but cut the dose. If using Arimidex 1/4 of a pill every 3 days then

I would go to every 5 days. On Indolplex/DIM I would cut the tablet in half so

between wood and blood test you can do good at keeping your Estradiol in the

right levels. The best range is 10 to 30

best at 20 some men do good up to 40 pg/ml.

This link is not the brand I use but has some good info about it.

http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/dim.html

I use this brand and I need to tell you there is a lot of Junk sold out there

called DIM so if your try this get this brand.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Here is link to a search I did.

http://tinyurl.com/fxo3q

brian7470 <briancull@...> wrote:

Thanks, what is the therapy or protocol for lowering estradiol??

> >

> > Hello all...I'm new to the board and have some questions as I find

> > many MDs not responsive or uneducated. I'm a 37 yo 5'6 " , 158lbs, one

> > kidney removed at age 2...used to have no problem with erections,

> > almost vertical..have been pretty sedentary for the past year, just

> > started to lift and do aerobics last month. So I decided to get the

> > CBC, Metabolic, Lipid, etc. Because of ED, lower libido, I asked

for a

> > T test. First, here are my blood work results.

> > Total T: 175, Second draw Total T: 225 (ref 241-827)...however, I now

> > know that references are a joke, I should be around 600+ng

> > LH: 2.4 (very low end of reference 1.5-9.3)

> > Prolactin 13.9 (2.0-18.0)

> > I'm awaiting results of the estradiol test. I understand I have

> > secondary hypogonadism, so the problem is the Pituitary or

> > Hypothalamus. Can a program of Clomid restart the flow and resolve

the

> > problem for good? Does DIM actually work to lower estrogen? Or am I

> > looking at hCG plus TRT as Crisler recommends? I'd like to have kids

> > and don't want to shut down production for good. Thanks for any

advice

> > you have.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

> >

> >