Re: Re: Hubby refuses to start TRT

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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:31:39 -0000, you wrote:

> My husband was NOT there for me as I

>cried my eyes out every single night with fear and anxiety over my

>future health. It was ME who pulled up my boot straps and decided to

>research everything I could get me hands on so that I could be the

>wife and mother and to regain my health. I am sorry, but I can't sit

>by year after year moddlecoddle him. He's a grown man and I have been

>here for him and I still am. He needs to TRY for OUR FAMILY. His

>children and I need him back.

It's hard to understand but this is the low T at work. My wife was

furious with me for years and thought I was lazy, unambitious and

worthless while I was sick. Neither of us of course knew I was sick.

After the bones started breaking and the Doctors actually got

interested in looking I got TRT.

WIth in weeks I was up and running and every thing had changed. But my

wife's years of resentment and anger took a lot longer to go away. She

could intellectually understand it was the illness, but there was so

much emotional baggage, it took another two years and some counseling

for to let go of the frustration from the illness period. But now our

relationship is stronger I think than it has ever been.

I guess I'm saying don't give up and don't let your anger ruin things

for you.

I suggest getting the Shippen book I mentioned earlier and just giving

it to him. No lectures - no harangue. Ask if he would do you the favor

of committing to read it for you. See if the book can do what you

cannot. I suspect the friction has him not listening.

Good luck.

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" Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:10:28 -0000, you wrote:

>Thanks very much. I will order this book and try it out. No harm in

>doing that, eh? SUre hope it works. Thanks for sharing your story.

>

>

I'd add that when I got well I got VERY well. I suddenly had lots of

energy and I wanted to FIX everything in my life - RIGHT THEN. That

wasn't easy either. I had my own bag of issues - a lot coming from my

wife's anger and frustration and my rationalizations and games to cope

or respond to it. I responded to all her frustration with a lot of

anger and frustration of my own and when I got well I wanted our

relationship fixed. But of course when I was frustrated I viewed the

relationship problems as caused by her attitude towards me. And in

the same way I had to learn that was a result of the illness too.

It was a rocky year after getting well. I self-centeredly told her

SHE needed to see a therapist or I was gone. (Not my proudest moment.)

Fortunately she replied she would if I did and we did marriage

counseling instead.

Getting well has a lot of it's own relationship issues. My wife was

perimenopausal when I started on TRT and she suddenly found her self

hanging around a guy who had the sex drive of a 20 year old.

But as I said now I don't know anyone who has a relationship stronger

than we do. If you loved your guy he's still in there and TRT can get

him back. It's just not a complete magic bullet. It takes some work

afterwards too.

Be strong, be patient. Find someone to help you. This is not easy

stuff to carry alone.

I think you'd lear a lot from Shippen's book too that might help.

>

>

>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:31:39 -0000, you wrote:

>>

>> > My husband was NOT there for me as I

>> >cried my eyes out every single night with fear and anxiety over my

>> >future health. It was ME who pulled up my boot straps and decided to

>> >research everything I could get me hands on so that I could be the

>> >wife and mother and to regain my health. I am sorry, but I can't sit

>> >by year after year moddlecoddle him. He's a grown man and I have been

>> >here for him and I still am. He needs to TRY for OUR FAMILY. His

>> >children and I need him back.

>>

>>

>> It's hard to understand but this is the low T at work. My wife was

>> furious with me for years and thought I was lazy, unambitious and

>> worthless while I was sick. Neither of us of course knew I was sick.

>> After the bones started breaking and the Doctors actually got

>> interested in looking I got TRT.

>>

>> WIth in weeks I was up and running and every thing had changed. But my

>> wife's years of resentment and anger took a lot longer to go away. She

>> could intellectually understand it was the illness, but there was so

>> much emotional baggage, it took another two years and some counseling

>> for to let go of the frustration from the illness period. But now our

>> relationship is stronger I think than it has ever been.

>>

>> I guess I'm saying don't give up and don't let your anger ruin things

>> for you.

>>

>> I suggest getting the Shippen book I mentioned earlier and just giving

>> it to him. No lectures - no harangue. Ask if he would do you the favor

>> of committing to read it for you. See if the book can do what you

>> cannot. I suspect the friction has him not listening.

>>

>> Good luck.

>> -----

>> " Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

>> power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

>>

>

-----

" Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:58:05 -0000, you wrote:

>This is a reply from my wife Tammie:

What a wonderful letter. Thank her for all of us!

>:

>

>

>

>As a wife of someone who has been living with this ‘type’ of husband

>for 1/3 of my life, I too was getting lost in the “What am I going

>to do to change things???� syndrome.

>

>

>

>With mine, at first he absolutely refused to think anything was wrong

>with him. He wouldn’t go see a doctor unless he was half dead and

>mucus was draining from every orifice on his head. The word

>PSYCHIATRIST was comparable to a four-letter word, no, actually WORSE

>than a four-letter word! And to suggest something was wrong with him

>physically was like punching him in the face. I was insulting him,

>even though I wasn’t trying to. I was hurting his pride, even though

>that was never my intent.

>

>

>

>The heartbreaking backlash made me pull away until I was too numb to

>care about it anymore. It was that pulling away on my part that caused

>him to look at himself finally. It was when I no longer was chasing

>him and harassing him that he finally could feel there really was

>something missing between us. Once we got to that point, and I had

>backed off enough to let him come out from hiding in the hole I had

>backed him into, he started exploring the avenues. (But we started off

>on the wrong course, thinking mentally instead of physically, so you

>are much farther ahead than we were!)

>

>

>

>He still battled with the pride issues, so we hit every doctor we

>could find ‘undercover’. Some visits I was allowed to attend with him,

>some he wouldn’t even let me meet. It all depended on how ruffled his

>feathers were that visit. But they kept plying him with meds. And we’d

>try them a year, and they wouldn’t work, and they’d hit him up with

>something else. Through this whole thing I stood back far enough that

>he felt in control but still stood close enough that he felt ‘safe’

>with someone to back him up when he needed it.

>

>

>

>After 8 years of at least 10 different approaches by 10 different

>doctors, I finally said I can’t wait anymore to get pregnant. “My

>clock is ticking and we’re not getting pregnant, and most of the time,

>we’re not even getting along. Something has to give!� So I asked him

>to get a fertility work up with me. It was during this that it came

>out that he had extremely low testosterone.

>

>

>

>I watched him take the hit, and it was a double whammy when they found

>a bump on his pituitary, but the clarity in his eyes suddenly

>appeared. I had been saying for years the same things the doctors now

>told him were indicative of the imbalance, and when he heard it for

>himself from someone else, he finally let it register. Suddenly, he

>was voraciously reading the forums and books and medical sites. My

>husband was officially on board!!!

>

>

>

>Pride is a huge issue with men. All women know that. And those of us

>in today’s world who are independent and strong sometimes cause a

>backlash when we bump into that wall surrounding our men. It makes it

>even worse then they know they should be acting or feeling a certain

>way and they’re not. Now tell them on top of that it’s because they

>are low in the hormone that defines their ‘manliness’. It’s a giant

>slap in the face for them. Although it’s painful for us to watch them

>go through it, and then to have them shun us when we try to help, it’s

>even more painful for them to know they have this type of issue. It

>takes someone who is mature enough to handle the situation, secure

>enough in himself to know it doesn’t define him, and someone hopeful

>enough to believe it can be better †" for it to change. If your husband

>is ready to fix the issue, you’ll see those traits in him. If not, and

>you love him enough to stick it out until he shows you those, then you

>will have to wait, just like I did.

>

>

>

>But whatever you do, don’t take his disinterest or the backlash to

>heart. I know it’s painful to be turned down, but learn to lean on

>yourself, and don’t put him in a position where he could turn you

>down. Instead, play up the good parts of your marriage. If he’s

>cuddly, spend hours cuddling with him. If he’s a worker, bolster him

>up and help his self-esteem to make him more secure. If he’s a

>dreamer, encourage his thoughts and ideas and take the pressure off

>the situation for now. You don’t have to give up on him and the issue,

>but usually it happens that if they can feel they are in charge, they

>will take the situation into their own hands and work it out

>themselves. When he’s ready (mature, secure and hopeful), he’ll come

>to you and tell you he needs your help. He’ll remember what you said,

>and the seed will be planted. He’ll recognize what’s wrong and he’ll

>go to the doctors he needs to. And you’ll stand proudly next to him.

>And THAT’S when things REALLY heat up!!! I’m talking from experience…

> )

>

>

>

>Regards, Tammie

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power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

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My story is about the same as retrogrouch my low T turned my wife into a

monster. One morning when I was to sick to make it to work she through a knif

on the bed and told me to just kill myself I was useless. This crap boiled over

into are filing for a divorce. At the time I did not know I had low T. After

much testing I was told I have Major Depression and I had to go along with this

because I was off on sick leave from work. I was being treated for this for 5

yrs not getting any better all druged up on AD meds walking around in a fog like

a zombi. When my work and BCBS asked the Dr. that was treating me why I was not

getting better. This Dam Dr. told them I love being depressed and don't want to

get better. His doing this caused a big fight with my wife and she left and I

filed for a divorce. This dam Dr. dam near cost me my job and Health care BCBS.

Just before the divorce was final I found out I was not suffering form

Depression but I have low testosterone. I was on so much meds I had to go into

a Re-Hab hosp. to get off them. When I started on TRT I was back to work in 4

weeks. My grown Daughters talked me into getting back with there mother. I

mean we were to the point of signing the divorce papers. I told my wife I would

try this if she went into therapy first. She did and we are still together

after 42 yrs. of marriage. But I have to tell you we are not the same and will

never be as close as we were before all this happened. I don't blam my wife I

blam the dam Dr.'s.

So we are back together and still I am not well after 23 yrs. of this we found

out last yr. I have a pituitary problem do to a bad auto accident some 23 yrs

ago where I had a bad head injury. Not one of my Dr.'s figured this out I had

to keep trying everything to see what would work. When I got my Dr. to add HCG

and my testosterone levels doubled this how I found out I am seconday and my

testis work.

So I say if you both are not happy see some one for some help before it's to

late. I will never get over some of the things my wife did to me because she

felt there was nothing wrong with me. And I was useless to her.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:31:39 -0000, you wrote:

> My husband was NOT there for me as I

>cried my eyes out every single night with fear and anxiety over my

>future health. It was ME who pulled up my boot straps and decided to

>research everything I could get me hands on so that I could be the

>wife and mother and to regain my health. I am sorry, but I can't sit

>by year after year moddlecoddle him. He's a grown man and I have been

>here for him and I still am. He needs to TRY for OUR FAMILY. His

>children and I need him back.

It's hard to understand but this is the low T at work. My wife was

furious with me for years and thought I was lazy, unambitious and

worthless while I was sick. Neither of us of course knew I was sick.

After the bones started breaking and the Doctors actually got

interested in looking I got TRT.

WIth in weeks I was up and running and every thing had changed. But my

wife's years of resentment and anger took a lot longer to go away. She

could intellectually understand it was the illness, but there was so

much emotional baggage, it took another two years and some counseling

for to let go of the frustration from the illness period. But now our

relationship is stronger I think than it has ever been.

I guess I'm saying don't give up and don't let your anger ruin things

for you.

I suggest getting the Shippen book I mentioned earlier and just giving

it to him. No lectures - no harangue. Ask if he would do you the favor

of committing to read it for you. See if the book can do what you

cannot. I suspect the friction has him not listening.

Good luck.

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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:09:43 -0000, you wrote:

>Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

>shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

>suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

>approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

>think there is something wrong down there.

>

>I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

>children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

>to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

>Homer

TRT does not mean not having children. TRT supplemented with HCG or

withdrawing from TRT for a while to take HCG alone will rejuvenate the

balls and allow guys with secondary hypo-g to have kids. Even after

a fairly long time (years) on TRT.

>

>In , " " <d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

>>

>> Okay, so we had a big talk. He is totally resistant to anything now.

>> We started with thryoid meds since his TSH was climbing, but this

>was

>> before he was ever tested for testosterone. Obviously the thyroid

>meds

>> only made a small improvement initially, but when he was still

>> fatigued, irritable etc, he kept increasing the dose until he was

>> overdoing it and swore to never take Armour again. Then we found the

>> sleep study thing and that has shown little improvement. He now

>claims

>> the improvement in the mood is from moving into a house he likes (he

>> is making no sense). He feels that eating better, getting more sleep

>> and exercise will improve his state and that his libido is fine. He

>> claims the problem with the libido is from complacency. In other

>words

>> he says that we have been doing the same roommate routine for so

>long

>> that he doesn't know HOW to approach me. I think any hot-blooded man

>> would jump my bones and forget about " HOW " to approach me. I am

>still

>> young, attractive and I take care of myself. I am NOT always going

>to

>> be this way and I want to enjoy my sex life before I don't have

>one. I

>> just think he is in complete denial and I am in tears over his

>> reluctance to start his bio-identical testosterone. I swear, I am

>> seriously thinking about putting it on him after he falls asleep (he

>> sleeps like a rock, so he will never know).

>>

>> Seriously, is a 6.5 with a range of 6.0 - 28.0 acceptable for some

>33

>> year old men??? I am so worried about ED, metabolic syndrome X

>(which

>> his father clearly has, hands down), heart disease, cancer. Somebody

>> guie me as to what I can say to him that will make him see the

>light.

>> I really think the T will do wonders for him. Thanks for your help.

>>

>>

>>

>

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Ditto. Fantastic perspective!

Chris

--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:58:05 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >This is a reply from my wife Tammie:

>

> What a wonderful letter. Thank her for all of us!

>

> >:

> > [Tammie's letter]

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Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

wish to have children.

External T is not the only therapy.

Chris

--- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

> Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> think there is something wrong down there.

>

> I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

> children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

> to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> Homer

>

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One needs to becareful with the dose of HCG.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

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Phil

Homebrewer MSP <homebrewermsp@...> wrote:

Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

wish to have children.

External T is not the only therapy.

Chris

--- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

> Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> think there is something wrong down there.

>

> I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

> children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

> to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> Homer

>

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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:04:10 -0000, you wrote:

>Thank you! We have been to marriage counselling in the past. Funny,

>but it was from a lot of " ignoring the issues " (mainly on his side). I

>think he was low back then too. I am in no means saying I was pefect.

>It was a wonderful thing. I would be wiling to go back just to get

>through all this.

>

>

I'm not sure how much it would accomplish until he starts on TRT. But

after startign TRT I think it's crucial. Gettign a forum to talk

through all the past, the changes and the future is invalauble.

>

>

>> >Thanks very much. I will order this book and try it out. No harm in

>> >doing that, eh? SUre hope it works. Thanks for sharing your story.

>> >

>> >

>>

>> I'd add that when I got well I got VERY well. I suddenly had lots of

>> energy and I wanted to FIX everything in my life - RIGHT THEN. That

>> wasn't easy either. I had my own bag of issues - a lot coming from my

>> wife's anger and frustration and my rationalizations and games to cope

>> or respond to it. I responded to all her frustration with a lot of

>> anger and frustration of my own and when I got well I wanted our

>> relationship fixed. But of course when I was frustrated I viewed the

>> relationship problems as caused by her attitude towards me. And in

>> the same way I had to learn that was a result of the illness too.

>>

>> It was a rocky year after getting well. I self-centeredly told her

>> SHE needed to see a therapist or I was gone. (Not my proudest moment.)

>> Fortunately she replied she would if I did and we did marriage

>> counseling instead.

>>

>> Getting well has a lot of it's own relationship issues. My wife was

>> perimenopausal when I started on TRT and she suddenly found her self

>> hanging around a guy who had the sex drive of a 20 year old.

>>

>> But as I said now I don't know anyone who has a relationship stronger

>> than we do. If you loved your guy he's still in there and TRT can get

>> him back. It's just not a complete magic bullet. It takes some work

>> afterwards too.

>>

>> Be strong, be patient. Find someone to help you. This is not easy

>> stuff to carry alone.

>>

>> I think you'd lear a lot from Shippen's book too that might help.

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:31:39 -0000, you wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > My husband was NOT there for me as I

>> >> >cried my eyes out every single night with fear and anxiety over my

>> >> >future health. It was ME who pulled up my boot straps and decided to

>> >> >research everything I could get me hands on so that I could be the

>> >> >wife and mother and to regain my health. I am sorry, but I can't sit

>> >> >by year after year moddlecoddle him. He's a grown man and I have

>been

>> >> >here for him and I still am. He needs to TRY for OUR FAMILY. His

>> >> >children and I need him back.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> It's hard to understand but this is the low T at work. My wife was

>> >> furious with me for years and thought I was lazy, unambitious and

>> >> worthless while I was sick. Neither of us of course knew I was sick.

>> >> After the bones started breaking and the Doctors actually got

>> >> interested in looking I got TRT.

>> >>

>> >> WIth in weeks I was up and running and every thing had changed.

>But my

>> >> wife's years of resentment and anger took a lot longer to go

>away. She

>> >> could intellectually understand it was the illness, but there was so

>> >> much emotional baggage, it took another two years and some counseling

>> >> for to let go of the frustration from the illness period. But now our

>> >> relationship is stronger I think than it has ever been.

>> >>

>> >> I guess I'm saying don't give up and don't let your anger ruin things

>> >> for you.

>> >>

>> >> I suggest getting the Shippen book I mentioned earlier and just

>giving

>> >> it to him. No lectures - no harangue. Ask if he would do you the

>favor

>> >> of committing to read it for you. See if the book can do what you

>> >> cannot. I suspect the friction has him not listening.

>> >>

>> >> Good luck.

>> >> -----

>> >> " Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

>> >> power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

>> >>

>> >

>>

>> -----

>> " Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

>> power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

How come my nuts are big in the morning 2 hours after I put the 2 packs of

Androgel on? Then in the everning they shrink back to nothing? Seems to me they

need the T to be normal. Maybe one more package in the evening and some HCG.

That's what I want to do next to see how that works.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: One needs to becareful

with the dose of HCG.

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Phil

Homebrewer MSP <homebrewermsp@...> wrote:

Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

wish to have children.

External T is not the only therapy.

Chris

--- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

> Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> think there is something wrong down there.

>

> I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

> children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

> to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> Homer

>

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The gel has nothing to do what the size of your testis if anything they will

start to get smaller in time on TRT. That is crazy to think you can up your

dose to make your testis bigger. Are you on this with your Dr. ask him what he

thinks of adding more to make your testis bigger.

Phil

Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote:

How come my nuts are big in the morning 2 hours after I put the 2

packs of Androgel on? Then in the everning they shrink back to nothing? Seems to

me they need the T to be normal. Maybe one more package in the evening and some

HCG. That's what I want to do next to see how that works.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: One needs to becareful with the

dose of HCG.

----------------------------------------------------------

http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html

read the HCG update in this link.

Phil

Homebrewer MSP <homebrewermsp@...> wrote:

Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

wish to have children.

External T is not the only therapy.

Chris

--- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

> Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> think there is something wrong down there.

>

> I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

> children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

> to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> Homer

>

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Then why are they bigger in the morning?????

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: The gel has nothing to do

what the size of your testis if anything they will start to get smaller in time

on TRT. That is crazy to think you can up your dose to make your testis bigger.

Are you on this with your Dr. ask him what he thinks of adding more to make your

testis bigger.

Phil

Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote:

How come my nuts are big in the morning 2 hours after I put the 2 packs of

Androgel on? Then in the everning they shrink back to nothing? Seems to me they

need the T to be normal. Maybe one more package in the evening and some HCG.

That's what I want to do next to see how that works.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: One needs to becareful with the

dose of HCG.

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Homebrewer MSP <homebrewermsp@...> wrote:

Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

wish to have children.

External T is not the only therapy.

Chris

--- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

> Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> think there is something wrong down there.

>

> I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and no

> children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you want

> to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> Homer

>

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Changes in hydration and blood flow. I've noticed differences too,

throughout the day.

I actually think you might have some LH and FSH still being produced

(meaning Androgel is not shutting you down completely). Those hormones

are released in pulses.

I wouldn't worry about it or change my regimen because of this, at

least not before talking to my doctor about it.

--- Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote:

> How come my nuts are big in the morning 2 hours after I put the 2

> packs of Androgel on? Then in the everning they shrink back to

> nothing? Seems to me they need the T to be normal. Maybe one more

> package in the evening and some HCG. That's what I want to do next to

> see how that works.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: One needs to

> becareful with the dose of HCG.

> ----------------------------------------------------------

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html

> read the HCG update in this link.

> Phil

>

> Homebrewer MSP <homebrewermsp@...> wrote:

> Daily HCG is a TRT option as long as the testes function. There are

> some anti-aging doctors that will prescribe this for those men that

> wish to have children.

>

> External T is not the only therapy.

>

> Chris

>

> --- Homer <chaplainhomer@...> wrote:

>

> > Be aware, that TRT will cause your husbands testicles to

> > shrink. If you were thinking of having more children, forget it. I

> > suggest you speak with his/your family doc as to what to do/how to

> > approach him about all this. I am sure it is humiliating to him to

> > think there is something wrong down there.

> >

> > I have been on TRT for 40 years, married once, wife deceased, and

> no

> > children to bless my life now, testicles atrophied. I think you

> want

> > to take a good look at the possibilities/consequences.

> > Homer

> >

>

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