Re: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

[Guest guest]

Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG tell me how much T

your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

Phil

Ron <bb1fit@...> wrote:

>

>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg. on

Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

Ron

I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over some time as normally

is the case. I finally over a month ago landed with the amounts of arimidex

soley as noted, and have been a happy person since.

I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware can help binding of

T to (SHBG)

Ron

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG tell me how much T

your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

Phil

Ron wrote:

>

>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg. on

Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

Ron

I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

That is great you have found the right dose I am still working on it I was doing

good on E2 buy my T levels were to low. Adding HCG got my levels way up and I

don't feel Indolplex/DIM for me works to good with HCG I feel a lot better

stopping it 3 days ago I hope this keeps up.

Phil

Kramer <bb1fit@...> wrote:

100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over some time as normally

is the case. I finally over a month ago landed with the amounts of arimidex

soley as noted, and have been a happy person since.

I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware can help binding of T

to (SHBG)

Ron

philip georgian

wrote:

Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG tell me how much T

your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

Phil

Ron wrote:

>

>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg. on

Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

Ron

I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

Keep tabs on how you feel. I am very anal about everything, I have a large

calendar that I write notes on daily, and log my doses since early on so I can

look back all the time and see where I felt best, etc.

Ron

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

That is great you have found the right dose I am still working on it I was

doing good on E2 buy my T levels were to low. Adding HCG got my levels way up

and I don't feel Indolplex/DIM for me works to good with HCG I feel a lot better

stopping it 3 days ago I hope this keeps up.

Phil

Kramer wrote:

100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over some time as normally

is the case. I finally over a month ago landed with the amounts of arimidex

soley as noted, and have been a happy person since.

I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware can help binding of T

to (SHBG)

Ron

philip georgian

wrote:

Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG tell me how much T

your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

Phil

Ron wrote:

>

>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg. on

Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

Ron

I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

Yep I do the same keep a log in my plainer.

Phil

Kramer <bb1fit@...> wrote:

Keep tabs on how you feel. I am very anal about everything, I have a large

calendar that I write notes on daily, and log my doses since early on so I can

look back all the time and see where I felt best, etc.

Ron

philip georgian

wrote:

That is great you have found the right dose I am still working on it I was doing

good on E2 buy my T levels were to low. Adding HCG got my levels way up and I

don't feel Indolplex/DIM for me works to good with HCG I feel a lot better

stopping it 3 days ago I hope this keeps up.

Phil

Kramer wrote:

100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over some time as normally

is the case. I finally over a month ago landed with the amounts of arimidex

soley as noted, and have been a happy person since.

I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware can help binding of T

to (SHBG)

Ron

philip georgian

wrote:

Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG tell me how much T

your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

Phil

Ron wrote:

>

>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg. on

Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

Ron

I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks I stopped using Indolplex/DIM 5 days ago and the rash on the

back of my legs went away and I lost over 5 lbs been peeing my brains out. In

the past if my legs broke out it was my e2 going up. I have not gone to low

what is up with this I know they changed the process on how they make it but I

was sure what they did is make the other DIM like Indolplex. Unless

Indolplex/DIM and HCG don't work good together. I am at a loss looks like I am

using less Arimidex now also I was doing .5 2 x's a day now I am only doing .5

every other day.

Phil

Summers <rsummers@...> wrote: Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day

for some time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning

wood was still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be

that the Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2.-----

Absolutely. All the research states plainly that DIM is an androgen

antagonist, ie anti-androgen, ie testosterone inhibitor. DIM's

actions are comparable to casodex according to the literature.

If DIM actually causes estrogen to convert from one form to another

it won't change the fact that it is suppressing testosterone. Taking

DIM and arimidex is sort of like taking a tranquilizer and a

stimulant at the same time.

I'm glad you decided to do a trial of TRT without the DIM. It's the

only way to determine what its actions really are, and whether it

makes you feel worse or better.

On another note, I'm really sorry to hear about all the sad news in

your life lately with your mother in law and co-worker's final

illnesses. I hope that using the safety gear protected you from the

worst of the carcinogens. It seems likely since you have survived to

tell the tale. The exposure could have played a part in your

problems with hypogonadism, as you hinted. Anyways I hope no more

bad luck comes your way.

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:34:56 -0000, you wrote:

>If DIM actually causes estrogen to convert from one form to another

>it won't change the fact that it is suppressing testosterone.

However if you'r on TRT is it suppressing testosterone?

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

I do you have blood tests showing progesterone lowers your E2 Dr.

told me sometime ago it raises Estorgens. Hell for me I am low normal DHEA and

just taking 25mgs a day raised my E2. It looks like I will just be using

Arimidex. My Dr. did say a new durg was coming out to lower E2 and it is a

shot you do once every 30 days. But I checked into it and it is a suicide

inhibitor don't think I need to try this if it lowes me to low I am up the creek

for 30 days.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

This is a interesting thread.

I don't take anything for estorgen, and arimidex just has too many side-effects

for me.

So i take progesterone cream couple times a week and have even tried some of my

wife's

BIEST cream. It is funny but i feel better.

The only times i got hot flashes was from low estorgen or some imbalance of

estrogen. I

get acme if i don't take enough testosterone, or if i let it drop and create a

imbalance.

The Indolplex/DIM at first try seems to help, like dropping some water, but

after a time

not sure it helps at all. Did try Tamoxifen and felt better as it acts like

estrogen but is a

very weak estrogen. So switching to progesterone did the same thing mostly and

it not a

drug.

>

> I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this would

> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM and

> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex. This

> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need to

> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me feel

> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for some

> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood was

> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that the

> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept my E2

> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG this

> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> don't mix well.

>

[Guest guest]

Good link old but good for me it is a small price to pay to feel this good.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

I don't have blood tests that show progesterone lowering estrogen.

Progesterone and

estrogen balance each other in the body. It is an antagonist to Estradiol (E2).

It converts

into the glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids, also into androstenedione

(adrenal). I

found if i take too much i get sedated so i lessen that amount. It inhibits DHT

production,

good for some not so good for others. Might help with hair loss, but might lower

libido.

Side note: HCG does increase Estradiol production and in younger men it is much

greater.

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/2/4/181

> >

> > I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

> > took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

> > like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this would

> > give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM and

> > that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex. This

> > morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need to

> > take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me feel

> > this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for some

> > time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood was

> > still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that the

> > Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept my E2

> > down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG this

> > started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and Indolplex/DIM

> > don't mix well.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought binding of T to SHBG was a bad thing...?

> Re: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>

>100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

>

> I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over

>some time as normally is the case. I finally over a month ago

>landed with the amounts of arimidex soley as noted, and have

>been a happy person since.

>

> I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware

>can help binding of T to (SHBG)

>

> Ron

>

>philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG

>tell me how much T your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

>Phil

>

>Ron wrote:

>

>>

>>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

>on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg.

>on Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

>

>Ron

>

>

>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>would

>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>and

>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>This

>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>to

>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>feel

>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>some

>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>was

>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>the

>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>my E2

>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>this

>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>Indolplex/DIM don't

>> mix well.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I seem to recall posting not too long ago that she thought DIM was a

bad idea because it would actually raise Estrogen. Your experience supports

what she was saying.

Hats off to , again...she seems to be the brightest of this bunch

sometimes. ;-)

>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>would

>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>and

>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>This

>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>to

>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>feel

>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>some

>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>was

>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>the

>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>my E2

>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>this

>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>Indolplex/DIM don't

>> mix well.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is if it is to high on the SHBG test the more bound T to SHBG the lower

the Free T.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I thought binding of T to SHBG was a bad thing...?

> Re: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>

>100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

>

> I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over

>some time as normally is the case. I finally over a month ago

>landed with the amounts of arimidex soley as noted, and have

>been a happy person since.

>

> I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware

>can help binding of T to (SHBG)

>

> Ron

>

>philip georgian

wrote:

> Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG

>tell me how much T your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

>Phil

>

>Ron wrote:

>

>>

>>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

>on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg.

>on Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

>

>Ron

>

>

>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>would

>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>and

>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>This

>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>to

>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>feel

>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>some

>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>was

>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>the

>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>my E2

>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>this

>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>Indolplex/DIM don't

>> mix well.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well no I just talk to my Dr. today and he said it was the adding of HCG and

using Indoloplex/DIM cause a binding problem between the HCG and and the action

of the HCG. He as other men that were doing the same treatment as I was and

they had the same problem as I did but I figured it out to be the Indolplex/DIM.

Before going on HCG I kept my E2 down for a dam long time just using

Indolplex/DIM so if your not on HCG this us it it works.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I seem to recall posting not too long ago that she thought DIM was a

bad idea because it would actually raise Estrogen. Your experience supports

what she was saying.

Hats off to , again...she seems to be the brightest of this bunch

sometimes. ;-)

>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>would

>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>and

>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>This

>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>to

>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>feel

>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>some

>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>was

>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>the

>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>my E2

>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>this

>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>Indolplex/DIM don't

>> mix well.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's what I thought, so I was wondering why Ron would think it was helpful

to bind T to SHBG.

> Re: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>>

>>100 mg. of T on Mondays(IM), 250 IU HCG on Saturday and Sunday.

>>

>> I have had to " massage " my arimidex amounts and DIM over

>some time as

>>normally is the case. I finally over a month ago landed with the

>>amounts of arimidex soley as noted, and have been a happy

>person since.

>>

>> I do take nettle and saw(as nettle I am sure you are aware can help

>>binding of T to (SHBG)

>>

>> Ron

>>

>>philip georgian

>wrote:

>> Ron thats great so whar are you doing shots of T with HCG

>tell me how

>>much T your doing and how much HCG and how offtend.

>>Phil

>>

>>Ron wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5 mg.

>>on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg.

>>on Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

>>

>>Ron

>>

>>

>>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>>would

>>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>>and

>>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>>This

>>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>>to

>>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>>feel

>>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>>some

>>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>>was

>>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>>the

>>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>>my E2

>>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>>this

>>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>>Indolplex/DIM don't

>>> mix well.

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I'm on Dr 's protocl (250iu HCG the two days prior to the weekly

Testosterone injection)...but I'll be doing Test injections every three days

now, with 250iu HCG the one day before the Test injection.

I wonder why DIM would interfere with HCG?

Who is your doc? He treats several guys, huh?

> RE: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>

>Well no I just talk to my Dr. today and he said it was the

>adding of HCG and using Indoloplex/DIM cause a binding problem

>between the HCG and and the action of the HCG. He as other

>men that were doing the same treatment as I was and they had

>the same problem as I did but I figured it out to be the

>Indolplex/DIM. Before going on HCG I kept my E2 down for a

>dam long time just using Indolplex/DIM so if your not on HCG

>this us it it works.

> Phil

>

>Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

>

>I seem to recall posting not too long ago that she

>thought DIM was a bad idea because it would actually raise

>Estrogen. Your experience supports what she was saying.

>

>Hats off to , again...she seems to be the brightest of

>this bunch sometimes. ;-)

>

>

>>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>>would

>>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>>and

>>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>>This

>>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>>to

>>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>>feel

>>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>>some

>>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>>was

>>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>>the

>>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>>my E2

>>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>>this

>>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>>Indolplex/DIM don't

>>> mix well.

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Yes a lot I was his first and he sent me to some Endo's but when they told me to

stop my T meds so they could do base line testing he got dam mad and pulled me

back. I asked him to look into treating me and the hell with Endo's and the

next time I seen him he was up on all he needed to treat me. Been with him of

over 13 yrs. if it were not for this I would be seeing Dr. .

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I'm on Dr 's protocl (250iu HCG the two days prior to the weekly

Testosterone injection)...but I'll be doing Test injections every three days

now, with 250iu HCG the one day before the Test injection.

I wonder why DIM would interfere with HCG?

Who is your doc? He treats several guys, huh?

> RE: Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>

>Well no I just talk to my Dr. today and he said it was the

>adding of HCG and using Indoloplex/DIM cause a binding problem

>between the HCG and and the action of the HCG. He as other

>men that were doing the same treatment as I was and they had

>the same problem as I did but I figured it out to be the

>Indolplex/DIM. Before going on HCG I kept my E2 down for a

>dam long time just using Indolplex/DIM so if your not on HCG

>this us it it works.

> Phil

>

>Dave wrote:

>

>I seem to recall posting not too long ago that she

>thought DIM was a bad idea because it would actually raise

>Estrogen. Your experience supports what she was saying.

>

>Hats off to , again...she seems to be the brightest of

>this bunch sometimes. ;-)

>

>

>>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel hot

>>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>>would

>>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>>and

>>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>>This

>>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I need

>>to

>>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>>feel

>>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>>some

>>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>>was

>>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>>the

>>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>>my E2

>>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>>this

>>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>>Indolplex/DIM don't

>>> mix well.

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I think Ron misspoke: " I do take nettle and saw (as nettle I am sure you are

aware can help binding of T to (SHBG). " But now I understand what nettle is

supposed to. His quoted statement made me think nettle was making T bind to

SHBG.

> Re: No More Indolplex/DIM?

>

>I think you misunderstood Ron's statement because a compound

>in nettle root has a strong affinity to SHBG and binds to it.

>Nettle root is generally used to increase free test.

>

>

>> >>>

>> >>>I personally stopped DIM a month or more ago. Just arimidex, .5

>mg.

>> >>on Monday(day I do my test), .25 mg. on Thursday, and .25 mg.

>> >>on Saturday(first day of HCG). Feel better, wife is happy.

>> >>

>> >>Ron

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>I stopped using Indolplex/DIM and TMG 2 days ago my thinking was I

>> >>> took it after dinner and by 8pm I would start to itch and feel

>hot

>> >>> like my E2 was going up so I would take a .5 Arimidex doing this

>> >>would

>> >>> give me relief by bedtime. So I tried stopping the Indolplex/DIM

>> >>and

>> >>> that night it did not happen so I did not take more Arimidex.

>> >>This

>> >>> morning being the 3rd off Indolplex/DIM I did not feel like I

>need

>> >>to

>> >>> take .5 Arimidex. Dam I feel the Indlolplex/DIM was making me

>> >>feel

>> >>> this way. Hell I have been taking .5 Arimidex 2 x's a day for

>> >>some

>> >>> time now. I konw I was not going to low because my morning wood

>> >>was

>> >>> still there when I go to low I don't get this. Could it be that

>> >>the

>> >>> Indolplex/DIM was driving up my E2. Hell for a long time I kept

>> >>my E2

>> >>> down just doing Indlolplex/DIM. I think when I started on HCG

>> >>this

>> >>> started happening. Could it be that for me HCG and

>> >>Indolplex/DIM don't

>> >>> mix well.

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>