Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 the stroies that I have seen SPECULATE that he was ABUSING steroids, not using them under a Dr's care. I am far from the expert, but also there are a lot of steroids besdies testosterone. Mike ozzmed <ozzmed@...> wrote: Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they are starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the media coverage it has been getting. They don’t even have a toxicology report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. -------------------------- Statement made in the link below: News Questions: Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic steroids? Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with the development of] better drugs. ------------------------- Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are better? You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have been receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is now concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. ---------------------------- News Article: Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their meeting. " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " Astin said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything. " http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers JewishBodybuilders/ You don't have to be Jewish to join the Jewish Bodybuilders group!This group is for MEN and WOMEN to post info and pix about the sport of bodybuilding and of Jewish Bodybuilders! (Warning: We often go off topic but we try to have fun doing it!). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. https://esite.uahc.org/edonations2/mainpage.aspx --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 If anything, I bet it was that he was aromatizing too much estrogen. Estrogen is the devil. Chris --- ozzmed <ozzmed@...> wrote: > Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they > are > starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and > himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his > doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the > media coverage it has been getting. They don’t even have a > toxicology > report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. > -------------------------- > Statement made in the link below: > News Questions: > Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic > steroids? > Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with > the development of] better drugs. > ------------------------- > Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are > better? > You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have > been > receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is > now > concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. > ---------------------------- > News Article: > Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not > give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours > before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. > Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone > levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous > steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but > would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of > their > meeting. > " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " > Astin > said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or > anything. " > > http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:31:34 -0000, you wrote: >Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they are >starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and >himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his >doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the >media coverage it has been getting. They don’t even have a toxicology >report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. >-------------------------- >Statement made in the link below: >News Questions: >Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic steroids? >Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with >the development of] better drugs. >------------------------- >Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are >better? >You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have been >receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is now >concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. >---------------------------- >News Article: >Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not >give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours >before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. >Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone >levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous >steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but >would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their >meeting. > " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " Astin >said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or >anything. " > >http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I'm actually very lucky, my wife is very supportive and we just had a talk about this at lunch time. The media puts such a skew on all of this and don't represent all the facts especially in this case where they don't have any. I went through ten years of hell having them put my on all types of anti-depressant medications before I was tested with low T's and my GP said at the time so what… HMMM I was 37 with a level just above 150ng/dl and his attitude after the fact when I got treatment didn't improve. I have been to many urologists and Endo's and feel like the place me in a position where I'm to be considered a drug addict when I make requests or place questions like for HCG/Arimidex. My wife and I have only been dealing with this for little over a year and she was just getting concerned over the media coverage of all of this, I can't blame here after reading it but told her what the difference is between abuse and legal use and she is fine with it but just scared as to what happens if they clamp down on it and don't allow us to have it. I was a bastard before I started on TRT I was very aggressive and had no patience; this has been a life changing medication for me and my family if it wasn't for TRT I would have lost my family by now, for these people to paint everyone who uses this medication with the same brush as this monster just isn't fare at all. On 6/28/07, retrogrouch@... <retrogrouch@...> wrote: > > These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed > for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural > physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong > enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would > stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a > pro wrestler she can begin to worry. > > BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were > pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:31:34 -0000, you wrote: > > >Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they are > >starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and > >himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his > >doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the > >media coverage it has been getting. They don't even have a toxicology > >report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. > >-------------------------- > >Statement made in the link below: > >News Questions: > >Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic steroids? > >Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with > >the development of] better drugs. > >------------------------- > >Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are > >better? > >You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have been > >receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is now > >concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. > >---------------------------- > >News Article: > >Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not > >give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours > >before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. > >Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone > >levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous > >steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but > >would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their > >meeting. > > " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " Astin > >said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or > >anything. " > > > > > http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Most of are stories are about the same I feel a lot of men are treated for depression and all it is is low T. I just seen on CNN that they tested him for durgs and the others all the time. I would bet he was on depression meds and this did this to him. Osborne <ozzmed@...> wrote: I'm actually very lucky, my wife is very supportive and we just had a talk about this at lunch time. The media puts such a skew on all of this and don't represent all the facts especially in this case where they don't have any. I went through ten years of hell having them put my on all types of anti-depressant medications before I was tested with low T's and my GP said at the time so what… HMMM I was 37 with a level just above 150ng/dl and his attitude after the fact when I got treatment didn't improve. I have been to many urologists and Endo's and feel like the place me in a position where I'm to be considered a drug addict when I make requests or place questions like for HCG/Arimidex. My wife and I have only been dealing with this for little over a year and she was just getting concerned over the media coverage of all of this, I can't blame here after reading it but told her what the difference is between abuse and legal use and she is fine with it but just scared as to what happens if they clamp down on it and don't allow us to have it. I was a bastard before I started on TRT I was very aggressive and had no patience; this has been a life changing medication for me and my family if it wasn't for TRT I would have lost my family by now, for these people to paint everyone who uses this medication with the same brush as this monster just isn't fare at all. On 6/28/07, retrogrouch@... wrote: > > These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed > for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural > physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong > enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would > stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a > pro wrestler she can begin to worry. > > BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were > pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:31:34 -0000, you wrote: > > >Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they are > >starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and > >himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his > >doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the > >media coverage it has been getting. They don't even have a toxicology > >report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. > >-------------------------- > >Statement made in the link below: > >News Questions: > >Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic steroids? > >Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with > >the development of] better drugs. > >------------------------- > >Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are > >better? > >You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have been > >receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is now > >concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. > >---------------------------- > >News Article: > >Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not > >give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours > >before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. > >Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone > >levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous > >steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but > >would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their > >meeting. > > " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " Astin > >said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or > >anything. " > > > > > http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 When the story first broke, I told my wife, " I'll bet his wife was divorcing him and taking his kid. " She later told me that his wife had already filed once for divorce but then cancelled it. If you keep your radar up, you'll notice a terrible pattern; men who kill their children (and sometimes their wives) aure usually being divorced by their wives. Their wives were taking their children, their house, and much of their income. I see it in the news all the time. Almost invariably, the men kill themselves too. But if a woman kills her husband and/orkids, she doesn't kill herself usually. And she's usually doing it for reasons other than divorce. Speaking as a divorced dad, I'll tell you, divorce is devastating. Most people don't know that divorced men kill themselves 10 times more frequently than divorced moms do. There's a reason for that: divorced moms get the kids, the house, the money, and get to play the victim in the process, even though when asked why they divorced the dad, the top 5 reasons don't include infidelity or any kind of abuse, but instead the reasons are " He doesn't fulfill me emotionally " or " He doesn't make me happy. " Our system is so anti-male that guys don't get an even break in court. It's a rotten system and much of our society's ills can be traced to the Courts removing a father from having an active role in his children's lives. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:21:57 -0400, you wrote: >I'm actually very lucky, my wife is very supportive and we just had a talk >about this at lunch time. The media puts such a skew on all of this and >don't represent all the facts especially in this case where they don't have >any. I went through ten years of hell having them put my on all types of >anti-depressant medications before I was tested with low T's and my GP said >at the time so what… HMMM I was 37 with a level just above 150ng/dl and his >attitude after the fact when I got treatment didn't improve. > >I have been to many urologists and Endo's and feel like the place me in a >position where I'm to be considered a drug addict when I make requests or >place questions like for HCG/Arimidex. > >My wife and I have only been dealing with this for little over a year and >she was just getting concerned over the media coverage of all of this, I >can't blame here after reading it but told her what the difference is >between abuse and legal use and she is fine with it but just scared as to >what happens if they clamp down on it and don't allow us to have it. > >I was a bastard before I started on TRT I was very aggressive and had no >patience; this has been a life changing medication for me and my family if >it wasn't for TRT I would have lost my family by now, for these people to >paint everyone who uses this medication with the same brush as this monster >just isn't fare at all. It's so great to have a supportive spouse in all this. It's brought my wife and I closer together too, but it was a hard transition and took work. It wasn't easy for her to let go of her impressions of " who I was " vs. what the effects of the illness were. But we got there. One bit of advice as you're just starting - keep an eye on the lipids and make sure your talk follows them. Within a year of going on TRT by cholesterol had jumped 60 points, my blood pressure jumped 25 to 30. My doc ignored it, despite my asking him about it several times. The result is a few weeks ago they found a coronary artery 90% blocked and I had to go in for a stent to open it. > > >On 6/28/07, retrogrouch@... <retrogrouch@...> wrote: >> >> These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed >> for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural >> physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong >> enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would >> stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a >> pro wrestler she can begin to worry. >> >> BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were >> pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? >> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:31:34 -0000, you wrote: >> >> >Have any of you been following this story about Benoit, they are >> >starting to beat the drum that this idiot killed his family and >> >himself because he was taking testosterone prescribed to him by his >> >doctor. My wife is now growing concerned about this issue and the >> >media coverage it has been getting. They don't even have a toxicology >> >report on this guy and the media is jumping all over it. >> >-------------------------- >> >Statement made in the link below: >> >News Questions: >> >Are there any valid reasons for people to be taking anabolic steroids? >> >Well, there were many reasons. Most of those reasons diminished [with >> >the development of] better drugs. >> >------------------------- >> >Like what Paxil, and other SSRIs that have been linked to suicide are >> >better? >> >You will have to excuse me for blowing off a little steam, I have been >> >receiving emails with this information from my wife all day who is now >> >concerned Im gong to become some mass murdering lunatic. >> >---------------------------- >> >News Article: >> >Also Wednesday, Benoits personal physician said the wrestler did not >> >give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours >> >before the start of the weekend.Benoit had been under the care of Dr. >> >Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone >> >levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous >> >steroid use.Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but >> >would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their >> >meeting. >> > " He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff, " Astin >> >said. " He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or >> >anything. " >> > >> > >> http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/roid-rage-14-questions-and-answers >> > >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 > > If anything, I bet it was that he was aromatizing too much estrogen. > Estrogen is the devil. Hi, I'd agree... the only time I've had a negative emotional response to steroids was when I was doing dianabol (an aromatizing oral) and just quit with no follow up, nothing... major depression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 --- In , " jimevans_2000 " > But if a woman kills her husband and/orkids, she doesn't kill herself > usually. And she's usually doing it for reasons other than divorce. > > Speaking as a divorced dad, I'll tell you, divorce is devastating. > Most people don't know that divorced men kill themselves 10 times more > frequently than divorced moms do. There's a reason for that: divorced > moms get the kids, the house, the money, and get to play the victim in > the process, even though when asked why they divorced the dad, the top > 5 reasons don't include infidelity or any kind of abuse, but instead > the reasons are " He doesn't fulfill me emotionally " or " He doesn't > make me happy. " > > Our system is so anti-male that guys don't get an even break in court. > It's a rotten system and much of our society's ills can be traced to > the Courts removing a father from having an active role in his > children's lives. Generally in all our western countries for each woman committing suicide there are from 4 to 9 men killing themselves http://www.phi-eu.net/images/g/mlsuicide.gif (taken from http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/bec/papers/Kruger_3.19.07.pdf ) There's no trace of this data in media & news. Do you imagine what would happen if this statistics were upside-down and women were taking their life 4 or 9 times more than men ? Male westerners are in a difficult psychological situation prolly because of discrimination too. Maybe this is not totaly unrelated with the path of hormonal condition of males here. Please look at this important paper from the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 92:196–202 (maybe it should be put in the Files Section): A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men [you bet it's the same or WORST in Europe] on, TG, AB Araujo, AB O'Donnell, V Kupelian, JB McKinlay. 2007 " ....... testosterone concentrations dropped about 1.2% per year, or about 17% overall, from 1987 to 2004. The downward trend was seen in both the population and in individuals over time. The decline is consistent with other long-term trends in male reproductive health, including decreases in sperm quality and increases in testicular cancer, hypospadias and cryptorchidism .... The data in this study are " important because they provide independent support for the concerns raised earlier about the reproductive health of men. " ... " it would be unwise to dismiss these reports as mere statistical aberrations because of the potential threat these trends-- if confirmed-- pose to the survival of the human race and other living residents of our planet. " http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newscience/reproduction/2006/2006- 1210travisonetal.html In EU and especially in Italy (where men's loss of power was more abrupt that in other western societies) we already stopped doing children. In the next few years there will be 0,5 workers for each retired person here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this matter with the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we were like on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a visitor of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave imbalance there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the unhealthy side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the extremely high side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of 3,200? Which is more out of balance? For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard things that weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of us have been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in between. I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in a month every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their abuse. I am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish the user would have exercised better control with his medicines. Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to solve all of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am also willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual enhancement too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry when not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond normal parameters then he may be prosecuted. retrogrouch@... wrote: These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 11 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 A lot are using trenbolone-acetate, a cattle steroid. It is 5 times more androgenic and 5 times more anabolic than testosterone and has the benefit of not aromatizing into estrogen. The recommended dosage for those doing this is somewhere between 50 and 100 mg every day. Do the math on that one – 250 to 500 mg of test daily. This really can’t be even remotely good for you. Beginner cycles are now 1000 mg T a week. Ouch… The bad thing is that HRT will be beat up in the media. No one will look and say, “did the wrestler have alcohol in his home?” Many more men beat their wives using alcohol than steroids. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Norsworthy Sent: July 02, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Benoit I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this matter with the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we were like on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a visitor of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave imbalance there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the unhealthy side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the extremely high side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of 3,200? Which is more out of balance? For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard things that weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of us have been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in between. I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in a month every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their abuse. I am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish the user would have exercised better control with his medicines. Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to solve all of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am also willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual enhancement too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry when not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond normal parameters then he may be prosecuted. retrogrouch@... <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> wrote: These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 11 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 This just in from FoxNews.com <javascript:siteSearch('Dr.%20Phil%20Astin');> Dr. Phil Astin prescribed a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to <javascript:siteSearch('Chris%20Benoit');> Benoit every three to four weeks between May 2006 and May 2007, a Drug Enforcement Administration agent said in an affidavit filed Friday and made public Monday. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Tom Sweet Sent: July 02, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Benoit A lot are using trenbolone-acetate, a cattle steroid. It is 5 times more androgenic and 5 times more anabolic than testosterone and has the benefit of not aromatizing into estrogen. The recommended dosage for those doing this is somewhere between 50 and 100 mg every day. Do the math on that one – 250 to 500 mg of test daily. This really can’t be even remotely good for you. Beginner cycles are now 1000 mg T a week. Ouch… The bad thing is that HRT will be beat up in the media. No one will look and say, “did the wrestler have alcohol in his home?” Many more men beat their wives using alcohol than steroids. From: <mailto: %40> [mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Norsworthy Sent: July 02, 2007 6:32 AM <mailto: %40> Subject: Re: Benoit I've been waiting until I got back from my leave to address this matter with the group. Retrogrouch hits the nail on the head. Remember what we were like on the very low side of normal? I was dog butt ugly. I heard from a visitor of this group that claimed to have comitted suicide. Now imagine being on the very high side of normal. There's a grave imbalance there too. No, I don't have the answer but the media made me sick all weekend with their lousy analysis. If guys can get neurotic on the unhealthy side of low normal I can only presume it can be worse on the extremely high side of normal. Would you rather have a T score of 105 or a T score of 3,200? Which is more out of balance? For me, life was as poor as it could get at low normal. I heard things that weren't there, imagined things, fits of depression, anxiety. Some of us have been there and some of us have not. Then for others, somewhere in between. I believe my doctor told me these guys are shooting up what I use in a month every two days. There are professional ball players out there who are abusing that will face grave consequences later in life for their abuse. I am very sorry for the loss of innocent life in this matter but I wish the user would have exercised better control with his medicines. Many came to this forum beforehand thinking extra T was going to solve all of their sexual deficiencies. Some spoke with great enthusiam. I am also willing to bet there are guys out there abusing T for sexual enhancement too. Can long term abuse of T lead to testicular cancer? I'll say again as before, stay within the parameters of your doctor's recommendation. Consider last week as an example of things gone awry when not sticking to the proper program. If his doctor prescribed T beyond normal parameters then he may be prosecuted. retrogrouch@... <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> wrote: These guys are using powerful steroids at rates many times that needed for health reasons. (Look at his physique - that's not a natural physique. ) Most of them don't do testosterone because it's not strong enough for their purposes and those that do use doses that would stagger your imagination. Tell your wife when you begin to look like a pro wrestler she can begin to worry. BTW does she remember what you were like with low T? Most of us were pretty listless sluggish guys. Does she want that guy back? Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 11 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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