Re: Anyone ever had problems with nurses, etc trying to learn how to take TRT shots?

[Guest guest]

That sounds kinda strange to me. I was getting twice monthly

injections but when I figured out that 400 or 500mg of Depo-T every

two weeks was a lot of T to take at once I asked if I could get it

weekly to reduce the T swings. They said they'd teach me how to do

it and I could do it myself. A few weeks later, on my next

injection, I met with the nurse practitioner (forgot her real title)

and she showed me how to do it myself and aside from using a

contaminated Depo-T vial for three weeks, which caused infections

every week after my injection, it has worked out great since then.

It's not a big deal but for reasons probably related to heath care

laws you would likely need a certified nurse to show you how to self

inject and then to pass you the reins...err...I mean syringes, so

you can do it yourself.

ASaxon

P.S. Luckily my doc is male, so showing him my " package " when he did

my testicular exam wasn't a big deal. Unlike when I had a

testicular ultrasound done at 19 years old and the two technicians

was a knock down gorgeous females. Needless to say I was quite

embarrassed about what happened and it fed my fantasies for years

afterwards. :-)

>

> Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections

upped

> to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo) is

> looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> gentialia....

>

> I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400 MG

> doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope when

they

> get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and quit

> being cheap.

>

> Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take my T

> shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

druggie. I

> did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse can't

give

> it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper way. I

> understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm able to

> learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought this

> upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

>

> All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back and

forth

> multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for being

> already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been thru

nor

> do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate to my

> needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

>

> Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal place I

go.

> I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to determine

> the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me and

I'm

> not even 30 yet.

>

> This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can be

tried.

> They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second opinion

> with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts me on

> HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's about

> trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elliot! - Having basically " lived " in the medical professionals

hospitals, exam rooms here on Kauai and Oahu for the first 9+ years

of MY troubles, I also made the mistake of thinking that some of the

nurses and/or docs, surgeons. techs and aids were actually trying to

be understanding and my " friends " . WRONG! Today I cannot believe how

long it took me to realize that once you are out of their 'face' and

they have moved on to their next victim, er, uh, patient, YOU are

also out of their realm of thought.

The only exception for me was my pain management doctor that I got

after fighting for my life, literally, with my regular doc for one

more pain pill per day. At THAT time it would have allowed me to

live a little more 'normal' life, she resisted and refused until I

fired her ass and threatened to turn her in to " every autority

figure she had that I could find " . Miraculously, within 60 seconds,

she referred me to the pain mgmt. doc stated above who turned out to

be a GREAT FRIEND only because he actually CARED and used how I FELT

as a gauge for meds rather than WHAT or HOW MuCH of something I was

taking. It took 4 or 5 years, but we got it down and then a year

later he RETIRES on me! But he made darn sure I was taken care of by

one of HIS friends, so I was lucky.

Just don't expect them to be " a friend " . To them, we are their JOB.

That's it.

Elliot? You should NEVER EVER be made to feel like a " druggie " for

getting hormone shots or ANY MED THE DOC ORDERED! That's absurd.

You know how we patients tell each other that doctors and nurses

(males and females) don't look at us in a sexual way because " they

see it all the time and to them it is just their job " ? I know from

personal experience that that isn't true. I'm NOT telling everyone

this to make y'all feel inhibited when you females see your gyno's

or men see their Endo's, Uro's or docs. I'm saying it because they

ARE HUMAN. If you think for one minute that they can

automatically " switch off " the " emotional part of their brans " ,

well, they CAN'T.

I know this is not going to matter to anyone like me who has

developed sexually within " normal " bounds, but it may affect you

Elliot and I just want you to know that this ISN'T the way it SHOULD

BE! These people are here to help us with our physical, emotional,

sexual and mental states and probably HAVE seen most everything,

however, it doesn't mean they don't go home and discuss things with

their wives/husbands or girlfriends/boyfriends. It is the way of the

Human Race and we just have to live with it.

This is, in large part, why most men do not go to the doctors for

exams as often as women do. We all have been literally BRAINWASHED

that unless all us men have the genitalia of a porn star, which I

NEVER have wanted (their freaks of nature in my opinion), we need to

take a pill or some sort of " supplement " for so-called 'enlargement'.

That's BS at it's highest level. I'm NOT going to say all the usual

things that normal men (and some women!) say to make themselves feel

better with " normal " sex organ size but ads make them feel like they

are abnormal. Why? We ALL KNOW better and we know why.

Heck, until I got the Internet twelve years ago, I had NO IDEA that

so many people (companies) CARED about my penis! To this day if I

get or see and ad about that on TV, the web, magazine or wherever, I

have to laugh and wonder just how many DO NOT do their reasearch and

fall for that sort of stuff (garbage is the proper term).

Anywhoooo....

Fortunately for me Elliot is I only have a three block walk to my

clinic for the nurse to give me my " T " shot and I shot my doc down

when he asked/told me to learn how to do it myself. No thanks. If I

can have some one who is trained do it for free, why learn? Besides,

if I REALLY HAD to, I think I could handle it. I have no mixing or

refrigeration to worry about. I've never been afraid to drop my

drawers in front of ANY woman anyway. But I sure digressed....

Elliot, we started a 'friendship'. Let's keep it going, OK?

Thanks again for having this board, I've learned SO MUCH in such a

short time. I'm referring everyone and anyone I can to this that I

know needs someone besides their lying docs to seriously discuss

this topic with.

This is the right place!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

>

> Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections

upped

> to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo) is

> looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> gentialia....

>

> I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400 MG

> doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope when

they

> get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and quit

> being cheap.

>

> Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take my T

> shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

druggie. I

> did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse can't

give

> it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper way. I

> understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm able to

> learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought this

> upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

>

> All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back and

forth

> multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for being

> already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been thru

nor

> do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate to my

> needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

>

> Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal place I

go.

> I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to determine

> the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me and

I'm

> not even 30 yet.

>

> This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can be

tried.

> They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second opinion

> with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts me on

> HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's about

> trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

>

[Guest guest]

It isn't 's first set of tests and it NEVER makes sense to only

test testosterone whether it is the first time or the last time.

Reason?

Because a high SHBG level can render an apparently normal serum

testosterone level redundant.

Also early problems relating to high prolactin or pituitary problems

or high estradiol are not picked up via a single point testosterone

assay.

Free testosterone will not be tested for in the UK, which further

increases the importance of SHBG.

The point of the matter is you need to have proper pathology

performed in order to have a chance at getting an accurate diagnosis.

> >

> > Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections

> upped

> > to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo)

is

> > looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> > gentialia....

> >

> > I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400 MG

> > doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope when

> they

> > get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and quit

> > being cheap.

> >

> > Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take

my T

> > shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

> druggie. I

> > did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse

can't

> give

> > it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper way.

I

> > understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm able

to

> > learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought

this

> > upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

> >

> > All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back and

> forth

> > multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for

being

> > already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been thru

> nor

> > do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate to

my

> > needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

> >

> > Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal place

I

> go.

> > I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to

determine

> > the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me and

> I'm

> > not even 30 yet.

> >

> > This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can be

> tried.

> > They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second

opinion

> > with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts me

on

> > HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's about

> > trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The spotinjections site is good, you can also pick up some info from

the Meso-Rx board. I also started out getting 400mg/2 mo. The Dr said

a lot of patients didn't want to come in any more frequently than

that either from insurance concerns or the inconvenience. He actually

encouraged learning self-injection. I don't recall seeing a whole lot

of detail on injecting here. Below is my account, culled from various

sources that I've sent in email. Sorry if it seems ponderous. I can

actually do an injection in far less time than it takes to read it,

lol.

Rich

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I learned from a staff nurse at a university hospital how to self

inject in the thigh . I've only noticed one other post here where the

procedure described was sort of similar (post #31293,

by " retrogrouch " ). At the area to be injected (central part of the

top of the thigh, slightly to the outer side; see

the " spotinjections " site) the nurse would pinch up a large amount of

thigh muscle and in the bunched up area right between the thumb and

forefinger would stab the needle. This is sort of like the pinching a

small amount of skin for a sub-q injection but on a much larger

scale. I suspect this is a form of " Z-track " injecting because I've

almost never seen more than a drop or two of blood, sometimes none,

after pulling the needle out. She then demonstrated aspirating, which

was giving a light tug backward on the plunger (you don't need to tug

much, only enough to clear the small bit of fluid inside the needle

itself) and check for blood to be sure the needle in not in a vein.

If the needle is in the muscle where its supposed to be and you pull

back on the plunger, nothing will be pulled into the syringe. About

the most you'll see is a vacuum bubble. The nurse then injected about

1cc of plain saline for the demonstration, released the grip on the

bunched up muscle, and pulled out the needle. Nothing to it.

Two things to watch for: injecting into the about mentioned vein, and

injecting into a nerve. Stabbing a nerve gives a

distinctive " electric shock " feel, and it's knee-jerk fast. If you

haven't already pulled the needle out (sometimes -fast- by reflex

alone), you pull it out and try a site in a different area. One time

I hit a nerve twice in a row and that electric shock feeling really

lost its novelty fast. At the time, I had a supply of 25G one and a

half inch length needles and I was hitting nerves more than I cared

for, but I noticed I'd hit the nerves on pushing in the last half

inch of needle. So I switched to one inch length needles and haven't

hit a nerve in a long time.

The other thing I changed was how fast I stuck the needle in.

Originally I used to just slam it home, all the way in, but hitting a

fair amount of nerves in the beginning made me a bit skitterish.

These days I hold the hypodermic like a dart and quickly poke the

needle just below the surface of the skin. Then I push the needle in

at a slower rate, sometimes in a series of jabs, until its in all the

way. The pain/nerve endings are practically all at the -skins surface-

so once you get past the surface with the quick jab, there is no

further pain per se, more like a slight feeling of resistance on

pushing the needle in the rest of the way. If you get close to a

nerve, you'll start to notice that " electric " sensation and have some

warning to back off. The other sensation I've noticed is one of

increasing resistance and a feeling of a " dull ache " . Not sure what

this is (a vein?), so I'll back the needle out part way, change the

angle of the needle a little, and then push in which usually solves

the problem.

The Meso-Rx website also has lots of tips on injecting. I always

switch needles between loading the T and injecting. I use a 20G 1 "

needle to pull the oil into the syringe to the right amount, then

replace the 20G with the smaller 25G 1' needle to inject. I really

think that trying to use only one needle for both loading and

injecting is more painful because to me pushing any needle through

the rubber septum of the vial is going to dull the point, at least a

bit; the small gauge needles more than the large. When you switch

needles and use a brand new razor sharp needle for injecting, the

whole operation is effortless and painless.

Other things:

When you wipe down the injection area with alcohol, be sure it all

evaporates by waving air across the area with your hand or a piece of

paper (don't blow on it, you'll just put germs back on.) If there's

some residual alcohol left and the needle drags it into the skin, it

will burn.

Before injecting, when you push any air out of the syringe and a drop

or two of T-oil runs down the needle, don't shake it off. Leave it

on, it provides great lubrication on injecting. The skin's surface

isn't dragged along by the needle near as much. (a lot smoother than

water-based HCG, by comparison.)

When you're aspirating, try not to wiggle the needle too much, it

tends to abrade the muscle. I know this is easier said than done, it

gets easier with practice keeping it still. My first couple of

injections, I used to get a charley-horse in the thigh that sometimes

would last into the next day because I fumbled around and wiggled the

needle too much trying to aspirate. It's also one of the reasons my

trying out a glass syringe ended quickly; to me those things are way

too top heavy and unwieldly.

Take your time injecting the oil, give the muscle fibers a chance to

unfold and accept the oil. (I remember a poster on the Meso-Rx forum

even suggested using a stopwatch. I forget the rate suggested, maybe

1cc/min?) If you're injecting a lot of oil in the same spot, I think

it's suggested that after a while during the injection you back the

needle out a little to make room, as it were, for additional oil.

Thats about all I can think of for right now.

Rich

> >

> > Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections

> upped

> > to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo) is

> > looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> > gentialia....

> >

> > I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400 MG

> > doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope when

> they

> > get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and quit

> > being cheap.

> >

> > Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take my

T

> > shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

> druggie. I

> > did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse can't

> give

> > it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper way. I

> > understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm able to

> > learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought this

> > upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

> >

> > All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back and

> forth

> > multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for

being

> > already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been thru

> nor

> > do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate to

my

> > needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

> >

> > Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal place I

> go.

> > I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to

determine

> > the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me and

> I'm

> > not even 30 yet.

> >

> > This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can be

> tried.

> > They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second opinion

> > with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts me

on

> > HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's about

> > trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just curious, have you been through puberty yet? because the

physical characteristics you describe seem to indicate that you

haven't. Seems like you're T should be much higher after eight

months given your situation. I'm not sure you're getting good TRT

at the moment. Have you tried a transdermal gel? They work great

for some people better than shots but they're expensive if you don't

have insurance.

Just curious, what type of shot are you taking?

ASaxon

>

> Thanks for responding and sharing saxon. I'm not taking depo. I'm

taking the third least popular injectable. It's quicker moving thru

the blood stream (doc mentioned) than depo and the other injectable

on the market.

>

> My free t is less than 230 and I've been on TRT for the last

eight months. The wanker resident was like, I'm improving. I

said " blah " . I still feel like a failure that has all these side

effects occurring and no one to even say, I feel for your dude.

>

> I don't have a " package " . I have a small penis and small testes

that is no fault of miine but every day I blame myself for being

born.

>

> Nurses that only worry about being sued while folks like me who

never bothered no one suffers should be given primary hypogonadism

with most of the side effects and never again allowed a human being

to be-friend them and never again be allowed to have a romantic

feeling / encounter as well.

>

> You seem cool saxon.

[Guest guest]

The problem is that social systems of medicine are so stingy about

controlling costs that these tests are rarely done on the first go

around and for good reason. In many socialized medical systems you

can't even get a test if you wanted to pay for it yourself so they

can preserve the limited time and equipment resources for the

socialized medical system. Most of the time if you're under a

socialized medical system you're screwed as far as getting anything

done quickly unless it's lifethreatening and even then it can take

time.

I knew a guy who was told he would have to wait 1.5 to 2 years to

have knee reconstruction surgery in Canada. He didn't want to do

that so he just came to the U.S. and had it done in three weeks.

So if you want all these tests to be done in the U.K.'s medical

system you'll have to play by the government's rules which doesn't

include expansive first round testing.

Here in the U.S. I was able to get all those tests done very quickly

just by asking for them from my doctor. In fact, I was at my

doctor's the other day for blood pressure and he gave me a lab slip

to have my electrolites tested. I asked him if he could order

hemocrit as I wanted to see what it was and since my endo forgot to

order it. He said sure and wrote it out on the lab slip. Maybe I'm

just lucky but it doesn't seem to me that we here in the US have as

much of a problem with this issue as other people do in socialized

medical systems. *shrug* It's only a problem if you don't have

insurance. But that's another story.

ASaxon

> > >

> > > Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T

injections

> > upped

> > > to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She

(Endo)

> is

> > > looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> > > gentialia....

> > >

> > > I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400

MG

> > > doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope

when

> > they

> > > get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and

quit

> > > being cheap.

> > >

> > > Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take

> my T

> > > shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

> > druggie. I

> > > did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse

> can't

> > give

> > > it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper

way.

> I

> > > understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm

able

> to

> > > learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought

> this

> > > upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

> > >

> > > All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back

and

> > forth

> > > multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for

> being

> > > already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been

thru

> > nor

> > > do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate

to

> my

> > > needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

> > >

> > > Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal

place

> I

> > go.

> > > I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to

> determine

> > > the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me

and

> > I'm

> > > not even 30 yet.

> > >

> > > This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can

be

> > tried.

> > > They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second

> opinion

> > > with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts

me

> on

> > > HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's

about

> > > trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elliot-

You're welcome. I think I may have misunderstood your situation. Its

not that you're unfamiliar with IM shots, just that you don't use

depo-t. The title of the post threw me a little and I really should

read more carefully. Anyway, maybe the info can be of some use.

Yeah, looking at " rest of your life " meds at 28 can be unnerving. I'm

stuck with a few of those meds myself although I'm quite a bit older.

Funny how Drs can vary in their ideas about what constitutes

a " serious concern " , none of the Drs I talk to about my injecting

depo-t IM thought it was a big deal. Obviously you have to take some

care, but I can think of a few oral medications you could say the

same thing about. Anyway, it sounds like you're tackling things

pretty well, even ruling out things like cancer.

And for the record, lol, I forgot one bit about injections; muscle

tension. You don't want tension on the muscle you're injecting into,

whether it the thigh or buttock or whatever. If the visiting nurse

(pretty or otherwise) plans on injecting you, say, in the right

buttock and you're standing, you need to shift your weight on your

left side, standing on your left foot as it were. A relaxed muscle

takes an injection a lot better than one under tension. I only had

one Dr (out of quite a few) who told me about that. I've also read it

on some forums. In my case, I inject in the thigh which I do sitting

down and that relaxes the thigh muscle. Anyway, keep us informed.

Rich

> > >

> > > Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T

injections

> > upped

> > > to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She

(Endo) is

> > > looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

> > > gentialia....

> > >

> > > I know my insurance company is going to have a fit seeing 400

MG

> > > doesn't come with the type of injection I'm taking. I hope

when

> > they

> > > get in contact with her, they can just give me two vials and

quit

> > > being cheap.

> > >

> > > Yes, got to love once again asking a NR to show me how to take

my

> T

> > > shots. Yes, love how it feels to be treated in a way like a

> > druggie. I

> > > did get some compassion but it was the same crap..... Nurse

can't

> > give

> > > it rather now a visiting nurse will have to show the proper

way. I

> > > understand it's for my own care but geez, the doc said I'm

able to

> > > learn, stop wasting my time and making me feel like I brought

this

> > > upon myself like the ER did and just show me.

> > >

> > > All I want is to learn how to take the damn shot. Going back

and

> > forth

> > > multi times per month to the doctors office isn't healthy for

> being

> > > already unhealthy. Nurses don't understand what I have been

thru

> > nor

> > > do they care. I got a resident doc that was non-compassionate

to

> my

> > > needs. Blah to him. The attending was cool, she knows me.

> > >

> > > Wed. I have an urology appointment out-side of the normal

place I

> > go.

> > > I'm going to ask for a testiclar utra-sound and surgry to

> determine

> > > the full damage to my testicles. Great another surgry for me

and

> > I'm

> > > not even 30 yet.

> > >

> > > This attending did say if 400MG won't bring up my T, HCG can

be

> > tried.

> > > They don't know I have an outside appointment for a second

opinion

> > > with a private Endocrine doctor. I do hope the urologist puts

me

> on

> > > HCG. It's not about trying to father a child I can't; it's

about

> > > trying to find a life for myself and get healthy.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:26:26 -0000, you wrote:

>Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections upped

>to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo) is

>looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

>gentialia....

Yow, that's a high dose and a long cycle. In me that would create one

massive roller coaster and the 400 will bump the E2 hard. I'd suggest

going the other direct. 100 mg every 6 days, something like that.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

I agree. I was on 150mg every two weeks and tending to crash early before my

next shot. I took the iniative and split my dose in half and injected once a

week. The difference was amazing. The roller coaster was much less bumpy.

L

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:26:26 -0000, you wrote:

>Just saw my Endo and once again interesting. Got my T injections upped

>to 400 MG every two weeks from 200 MG every 11 days. She (Endo) is

>looking attractive these days. If only I didn't let her see my

>gentialia....

Yow, that's a high dose and a long cycle. In me that would create one

massive roller coaster and the 400 will bump the E2 hard. I'd suggest

going the other direct. 100 mg every 6 days, something like that.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence