Re: HGH or Somatropin (Re: test cypionate syringe size)

[Guest guest]

HGH can break the bank for many. It's like $300 for a one month supply.

Great stuff, and a staple in most Anti-Aging doctor's treatment regimens.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Taddeo Tatsulok

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:57 AM

Subject: HGH or Somatropin (Re: test cypionate syringe size)

Phil,

It's HGH (Human Growth Hormone or Somatropin), not HCG, that I inject

myself in the belly everyday with insulin syringes (though I also

use HCG every once in a while). HGH therapy an entirely different

ball game but with fewer side effect problems. I have been on HGH

long before I got on TRT and it is 5 to 10 times more expensive than

HCG or T. Many anti aging doctors put their patients on HGH hand in

hand with TRT. They complement with one another.

In one of your recent posts you stated that your Dr. is close to

putting you on HGH shots. I'd highly recommend that you get into one

and find out the benefits for yourself.

Taddeo

> > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp injections.

> > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

told

> > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

should be

> > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

ok'd

> > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue treatment and

> > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> injecting

> > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> thigh.

> > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not ordered any

> > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

for a

> > > great site.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My IGF-1 test done 5 months ago was low normal 138 range 71 to 290 my Dr. felt

that is was OK. But most Anti-Ageing Dr.'s will put one on HGH if this test is

below 300. I have low T and a low immune system because I worked with chemicals

when I was a toolmaker trying to develop a plastic to use to stamp out steel

panels in a Die. I never put my bare hands in any of the plastic like my

co-workers did. Now some 25 yrs later I am the only one left alive. I get

everything that goes around every winter. I just got over having bronchitis for

3 months this last winter get it every yr. for months. I here that taking HGH

will help build up my immune system. My Dr. is going to check me again next

month. And I hope will put me on HGH. I get my meds though my drug plain with

MedcoHealth and they told me my plain pays for HGH the med is called Humatrope.

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote: Phil,

It's HGH (Human Growth Hormone or Somatropin), not HCG, that I inject

myself in the belly everyday with insulin syringes (though I also

use HCG every once in a while). HGH therapy an entirely different

ball game but with fewer side effect problems. I have been on HGH

long before I got on TRT and it is 5 to 10 times more expensive than

HCG or T. Many anti aging doctors put their patients on HGH hand in

hand with TRT. They complement with one another.

In one of your recent posts you stated that your Dr. is close to

putting you on HGH shots. I'd highly recommend that you get into one

and find out the benefits for yourself.

Taddeo

> > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp injections.

> > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

told

> > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

should be

> > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

ok'd

> > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue treatment and

> > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> injecting

> > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> thigh.

> > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not ordered any

> > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

for a

> > > great site.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil I am glad to hear that you are finally over that bronchitis, I do hope that

you get the HGH, it may help that too hopefully.

On another topic, just how long have you belonged to this group anyway?

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

My IGF-1 test done 5 months ago was low normal 138 range 71 to 290 my Dr. felt

that is was OK. But most Anti-Ageing Dr.'s will put one on HGH if this test is

below 300. I have low T and a low immune system because I worked with chemicals

when I was a toolmaker trying to develop a plastic to use to stamp out steel

panels in a Die. I never put my bare hands in any of the plastic like my

co-workers did. Now some 25 yrs later I am the only one left alive. I get

everything that goes around every winter. I just got over having bronchitis for

3 months this last winter get it every yr. for months. I here that taking HGH

will help build up my immune system. My Dr. is going to check me again next

month. And I hope will put me on HGH. I get my meds though my drug plain with

MedcoHealth and they told me my plain pays for HGH the med is called Humatrope.

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote: Phil,

It's HGH (Human Growth Hormone or Somatropin), not HCG, that I inject

myself in the belly everyday with insulin syringes (though I also

use HCG every once in a while). HGH therapy an entirely different

ball game but with fewer side effect problems. I have been on HGH

long before I got on TRT and it is 5 to 10 times more expensive than

HCG or T. Many anti aging doctors put their patients on HGH hand in

hand with TRT. They complement with one another.

In one of your recent posts you stated that your Dr. is close to

putting you on HGH shots. I'd highly recommend that you get into one

and find out the benefits for yourself.

Taddeo

> > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp injections.

> > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

told

> > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

should be

> > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

ok'd

> > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue treatment and

> > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> injecting

> > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> thigh.

> > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not ordered any

> > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

for a

> > > great site.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My first post was July 18, 2003

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil I am glad to hear that you are finally over that bronchitis, I do hope

that

you get the HGH, it may help that too hopefully.

On another topic, just how long have you belonged to this group anyway?

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

My IGF-1 test done 5 months ago was low normal 138 range 71 to 290 my Dr. felt

that is was OK. But most Anti-Ageing Dr.'s will put one on HGH if this test is

below 300. I have low T and a low immune system because I worked with chemicals

when I was a toolmaker trying to develop a plastic to use to stamp out steel

panels in a Die. I never put my bare hands in any of the plastic like my

co-workers did. Now some 25 yrs later I am the only one left alive. I get

everything that goes around every winter. I just got over having bronchitis for

3 months this last winter get it every yr. for months. I here that taking HGH

will help build up my immune system. My Dr. is going to check me again next

month. And I hope will put me on HGH. I get my meds though my drug plain with

MedcoHealth and they told me my plain pays for HGH the med is called Humatrope.

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote: Phil,

It's HGH (Human Growth Hormone or Somatropin), not HCG, that I inject

myself in the belly everyday with insulin syringes (though I also

use HCG every once in a while). HGH therapy an entirely different

ball game but with fewer side effect problems. I have been on HGH

long before I got on TRT and it is 5 to 10 times more expensive than

HCG or T. Many anti aging doctors put their patients on HGH hand in

hand with TRT. They complement with one another.

In one of your recent posts you stated that your Dr. is close to

putting you on HGH shots. I'd highly recommend that you get into one

and find out the benefits for yourself.

Taddeo

> > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp injections.

> > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

told

> > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

should be

> > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

ok'd

> > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue treatment and

> > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> injecting

> > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> thigh.

> > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not ordered any

> > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

for a

> > > great site.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

does anyone have info on ranges for IGF-1 scale? i'm in the lower 1/3 of the

range...is that a big deal? i have low T (460 at 7am) with a LH of 4. im

looking to try HCG treatment for secondary hypogonadism as every blood test i've

had since May '05 suggests it. i wish i had a specialist referral made instead

of waiting 4 months to get into the Endo's office.

anway, endo did check IGF-1 and it came back lower 1/3 of range...he said it

was normal. is it in fact normal? i don't want HGH if not needed.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every

winter. I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones

immune system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it

will kill me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

I was told by Dr. that any one lower then 300 Anti-Ageing Dr.'s would put

you on HGH. At this link at meso larry has posted a lot of info on HGH being

used for Anti-Ageing is against the Law some big debates on this in the posts.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134240019

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

does anyone have info on ranges for IGF-1 scale? i'm in the lower 1/3 of the

range...is that a big deal? i have low T (460 at 7am) with a LH of 4. im looking

to try HCG treatment for secondary hypogonadism as every blood test i've had

since May '05 suggests it. i wish i had a specialist referral made instead of

waiting 4 months to get into the Endo's office.

anway, endo did check IGF-1 and it came back lower 1/3 of range...he said it was

normal. is it in fact normal? i don't want HGH if not needed.

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round

with bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce

back. I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from

it.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every

winter. I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones

immune system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it

will kill me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Wow not that this is good news but it helps me on my fight with my Dr. let me

know what your IGF-1 test is.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round with

bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce back.

I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from it.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Taddeo,

I see that you recommend the HGH. Do you think it can do the same thing HCG

does for the testicles? I started TRT injections last week per my

endocrinologist. However, I changed my primary care doctor to an antiaging

doctor, and I see him tomorrow. My last lab my IGF-1 was below the normal

range. The endocrinologist wants to wait to fix that until the T is normal.

Should I ask the antiaging doctor for it?

After reading a lot of the posts here, I think the anti aging doc will be the

one I want to manage my TRT, HGH, etc. Endocrinologist are hard to get in to

see, and don't seem to be up on all of this stuff. Seems like they are good at

managing diabetes and thats about it.

Thanks

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote:

The pioneer anti-aging users in the 90s spent in the thousands of

dollars per month. Nowadays there are more sources of the stuff and

you can expect to spend anywhere from $100 to $500 depending on your

source and usage. When I started two years ago, the only source that

I knew was Costco and it cost me $225 for a vial of 15 IU Saizen (made

by Serono, the makers of Profasi HCG) or $15/IU. My cost today had

gone down considerably to $4.80/IU. I inject 1.2 IU 6 days/week and

that translates to about $150/mo. With a bit of luck and

resourcefulness, I might be able to bring it down to $3.00/IU or

roughly $100/mo.

> > > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp

injections.

> > > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

> told

> > > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

> should be

> > > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

> ok'd

> > > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue

treatment and

> > > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> > injecting

> > > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> > thigh.

> > > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not ordered any

> > > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

> for a

> > > > great site.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

What the heck if IGF-1 test? I have seen it before but still don't know what

that

is. Phil I guess you will listen to your doctor a little more now won't you?

Sorry

to hear that you got off track. I know how long it takes to get there. You

told

me just get the T up there and check the E2 level, I did and mine was too high

so now Tuesday I will find out more on where I stand. I had a dream about

you the other night and you told me I was being too critical of you. I hope

you don't think that is the case. You have helped me out a lot and I

appreciate

it very much.

Thanks,

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Wow not that this is good news but it helps me on my fight with my Dr. let me

know what your IGF-1 test is.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round with

bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce back.

I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from it.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

IGF-1 is a Insulin-Like GR FAC 1 test to check growth hormone level. Here is a

link full of links.

I have no problems with input from others and look forward to them.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

What the heck if IGF-1 test? I have seen it before but still don't know what

that

is. Phil I guess you will listen to your doctor a little more now won't you?

Sorry

to hear that you got off track. I know how long it takes to get there. You told

me just get the T up there and check the E2 level, I did and mine was too high

so now Tuesday I will find out more on where I stand. I had a dream about

you the other night and you told me I was being too critical of you. I hope

you don't think that is the case. You have helped me out a lot and I appreciate

it very much.

Thanks,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Wow not that this is good news but it helps me on my fight with my Dr. let me

know what your IGF-1 test is.

Phil

Brown wrote:

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round with

bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce back.

I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from it.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil,

My IGF-1 level came back at 180. I thought I read somewhere the anit ageing

dr's will prescribe if it is under 300. The doctor I go to used HGH himself,

he said it helped him get rid of his belly fat. He is in his 60's and has

about 10 times more energy than I do (age 49). I mentioned HGH to him before

and he said he would but not until I got my E2 level down.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Wow not that this is good news but it helps me on my fight with my Dr. let me

know what your IGF-1 test is.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round with

bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce back.

I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from it.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

I have some links about T and HGH and can't find the one that stated that one

should have there hormones in balance before testing for Low GH.

http://tinyurl.com/oy2lk

http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/153/4/577

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

My IGF-1 level came back at 180. I thought I read somewhere the anit ageing dr's

will prescribe if it is under 300. The doctor I go to used HGH himself, he said

it helped him get rid of his belly fat. He is in his 60's and has about 10 times

more energy than I do (age 49). I mentioned HGH to him before and he said he

would but not until I got my E2 level down.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

Wow not that this is good news but it helps me on my fight with my Dr. let me

know what your IGF-1 test is.

Phil

Brown wrote:

Phil,

I know what you mean about it almost killing you. I am on my second round with

bronchitis and had the flu last week. Every year it gets harder to bounce back.

I plan on asking my Dr. about HGH and see if I can get any benefit from it.

Dave

philip georgian

wrote:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every yr. but I still get dam sick every winter.

I have read a lot of sits that claim going on HGH will build up ones immune

system and stop bronchitis from happening every yr. I feel one day it will kill

me.

Phil

Taddeo Tatsulok wrote:

Phil,

Did HGH help with my immune system? Might have, not sure... could be

part of the overall feeling of well-being... but I take Lactoferrin

or Colostrum during winter and this greatly helps stave off nasty

colds and flu. So far didn't have one this winter but, I had a

flu and pneumonia vaccine last November... just couldn't pinpoint.

Taddeo

>

Did being on HGH help with your immune system.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

Taddeo Tatsulok <taddeo_t@...> wrote: ,

Will HGH do the same thing HCG does for your testicles? The answer is

no. As I have said, HGH Therapy is an entirely different ball game.

It will be too long to explain here the role of HGH in the human body,

who needs supplementation and what the benefits are. So please just

do a Google or search and you will get thousands of hits. You

will notice that all are mouthing the same benefits but there is just

one caveat. Any HGH that is not injectable is snake oil. These

hoodwinkers marketing non-onjectable HGH are just riding on the

success of the injectable HGH bandwagon.

Taddeo

> > > > > I ha ve just switched from 7.5g testim/day to test cyp

> injections.

> > > > > After reading this site and Dr. 's, will be doing .5cc or

> > > > > 100ml/week from a 200mg/ml vial. Thanks to Philip and others, I

> > told

> > > > > the endo and my GP what dosage should be used and frequency

> > should be

> > > > > used. After being disgusted with endo, went back to my GP and he

> > ok'd

> > > > > the cyp. Endo said after blood test and MRI, continue

> treatment and

> > > > > call me in 6 months. Sorry for the rambling, ayway, I will be

> > > injecting

> > > > > into my butt, had bad experiences years ago when injecting in my

> > > thigh.

> > > > > Can I use a 27 guage or 25g syringe 1 1/2. I have not

ordered any

> > > > > syringes yet, hopefully I will be able to stick myself. Thanks

> > for a

> > > > > great site.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >