Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi All, I'm still new at this hypo-crap. Is nagging pain that ranges from a dull ache all the time to sharp stabbing pain in my right arm, wrist and numb fingers a part of this stuff? My doc won't talk to me until jan 13 so I'm posting here for help. My T and LH are very low for a reference. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 It is hard to say I get sore joints and muscles when I do Gels or my levels are to low. What are you on for TRT and what are your Test levels with the ranges and units. Phil napperyellowtail <no_reply > wrote: Hi All, I'm still new at this hypo-crap. Is nagging pain that ranges from a dull ache all the time to sharp stabbing pain in my right arm, wrist and numb fingers a part of this stuff? My doc won't talk to me until jan 13 so I'm posting here for help. My T and LH are very low for a reference. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 > > Hi All, I'm still new at this hypo-crap. Is nagging pain that ranges > from a dull ache all the time to sharp stabbing pain in my right arm, > wrist and numb fingers a part of this stuff? My doc won't talk to me > until jan 13 so I'm posting here for help. My T and LH are very low > for a reference. > > Thanks, > > ------------------------ Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, and also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing such a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Norton, You've got it. I've had my levels checked a couple of times begining in september and they are low, but as of yet no treatment. I'm getting very frustrated with my doc. She seems to be very competent and is actually a medical professor at Indiana University, but only has a very few appointments each month and I'm on the short straw apparently. Problem is I live in the middle of no-where and the local doc's agree it's a problem, but don't have a clue what they should do about it. The nearby endocrinologist took a look at the numbers, but apparenly threw his hands up and referred me on to I.U. without even seeing me in person. To bad I don't have a more glamorous problem that has a flashy ribbon to affix to the rear window of my truck. Maybe then hypogonadism would get some attention. Perhaps we could design a plaid flannel ribbon..... ah fawgettaboutit. Thank god for this group or I would be just bouncing off the wall not getting any information from anywhere else. > ------------------------ > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, and > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing such > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > Norton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 , this is a great group of guy, we can help you out a lot. It sounds like you need to stand up and take control. Bottom line is it is your body and your money, and if your T level is low and you feel like crap, then you have to tell your doc that life is not acceptable the way it is and she should prescribe testostoerone replacement therapy immediatley, like right now. Print out the ACE hypo guidelines in the Files section and send her a copy ahead of your appointment with a note saying you wish to discuss this at your appointment. You need to walk out of there with a shot in your ass of one CC of Depotestosterone to get you jump started and a prescription for T. Forget expensive Androgel, you can try a skin spread on like Testim, also very expensive, or have a local compounding pharmacy whip up a 10% T gel for skin spread on, or learn to give yourself shots in the upper thigh once a week or so. Can you post your blood work numbers, and also did you get tested for estrogen level? Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Hi Norton, Here's the results. I guess they are in european units?? TSH: 1.15 FSH: .8 LUTEIN: .4 TESTOSTERONE .62 FREE TEST. 1.5 ESTRADIOL 19 Normal per the Lab report TSH: 0.30 - 5.00 uIi/mL FSH: 0.8 - 13.9 uIU/mL LUTEIN: 1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL TESTOSTERONE 2.80 - 8.00 ng/mL FREE TEST. 11.0 - 40.0 pg/mL ESTRADIOL <45 for adult males So here I sit. I can't get my endo on the phone, just get her nurse who tells me the doc aint there and she don't know when she'll be back (is that the sound of banjos twanging in the back.. why yes it is...) The local doc say I can't help you now that you have a big city specialist and all. I'm thinking about drinking bottle of draino. Maybe then I could get some medical assistance? I mean f*ck. I'm paying for this and now I've lost my job because I can't do anything for more than a half hour before I turn into a zombie and start looking for a horizontal surface to crash on. I guess that I have an unrealistic sense of urgency about this whole thing. > > , this is a great group of guy, we can help you out a lot. > It sounds like you need to stand up and take control. Bottom line is > it is your body and your money, and if your T level is low and you > feel like crap, then you have to tell your doc that life is not > acceptable the way it is and she should prescribe testostoerone > replacement therapy immediatley, like right now. Print out the ACE > hypo guidelines in the Files section and send her a copy ahead of your > appointment with a note saying you wish to discuss this at your > appointment. You need to walk out of there with a shot in your ass of > one CC of Depotestosterone to get you jump started and a prescription > for T. Forget expensive Androgel, you can try a skin spread on like > Testim, also very expensive, or have a local compounding pharmacy whip > up a 10% T gel for skin spread on, or learn to give yourself shots in > the upper thigh once a week or so. Can you post your blood work > numbers, and also did you get tested for estrogen level? > Norton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 > > > > , this is a great group of guy, we can help you out a lot. > > It sounds like you need to stand up and take control. Bottom line is > > it is your body and your money, and if your T level is low and you > > feel like crap, then you have to tell your doc that life is not > > acceptable the way it is and she should prescribe testostoerone > > replacement therapy immediatley, like right now. Print out the ACE > > hypo guidelines in the Files section and send her a copy ahead of your > > appointment with a note saying you wish to discuss this at your > > appointment. You need to walk out of there with a shot in your ass of > > one CC of Depotestosterone to get you jump started and a prescription > > for T. Forget expensive Androgel, you can try a skin spread on like > > Testim, also very expensive, or have a local compounding pharmacy whip > > up a 10% T gel for skin spread on, or learn to give yourself shots in > > the upper thigh once a week or so. Can you post your blood work > > numbers, and also did you get tested for estrogen level? > > Norton > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 go to this site and print out TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update. Dr. teaches Dr.'s on testing and treating low t. I don't konw if you have Androgel or Testim gels in Indiana but they must have shots of Testosterone start with the first shot at 200 mgs. the do 100 every week your self. http://www.allthingsmale.com/ Just give the copys to your Dr. and tell him or her you need to try this. Phil napperyellowtail <no_reply > wrote: Hi Norton, You've got it. I've had my levels checked a couple of times begining in september and they are low, but as of yet no treatment. I'm getting very frustrated with my doc. She seems to be very competent and is actually a medical professor at Indiana University, but only has a very few appointments each month and I'm on the short straw apparently. Problem is I live in the middle of no-where and the local doc's agree it's a problem, but don't have a clue what they should do about it. The nearby endocrinologist took a look at the numbers, but apparenly threw his hands up and referred me on to I.U. without even seeing me in person. To bad I don't have a more glamorous problem that has a flashy ribbon to affix to the rear window of my truck. Maybe then hypogonadism would get some attention. Perhaps we could design a plaid flannel ribbon..... ah fawgettaboutit. Thank god for this group or I would be just bouncing off the wall not getting any information from anywhere else. > ------------------------ > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, and > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing such > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > Norton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 > > Hi Norton, > > Here's the results. I guess they are in european units?? > > TSH: 1.15 > FSH: .8 > LUTEIN: .4 > TESTOSTERONE .62 > FREE TEST. 1.5 > ESTRADIOL 19 > > Normal per the Lab report > TSH: 0.30 - 5.00 uIi/mL > FSH: 0.8 - 13.9 uIU/mL > LUTEIN: 1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL > TESTOSTERONE 2.80 - 8.00 ng/mL > FREE TEST. 11.0 - 40.0 pg/mL > ESTRADIOL <45 for adult males > > So here I sit. I can't get my endo on the phone, just get her nurse > who tells me the doc aint there and she don't know when she'll be back > (is that the sound of banjos twanging in the back.. why yes it is...) > > The local doc say I can't help you now that you have a big city > specialist and all. > > I'm thinking about drinking bottle of draino. Maybe then I could get > some medical assistance? > > I mean f*ck. I'm paying for this and now I've lost my job because I > can't do anything for more than a half hour before I turn into a > zombie and start looking for a horizontal surface to crash on. > > I guess that I have an unrealistic sense of urgency about this whole > thing. > > ------------------- Hi , on the contrary I think you have a very realistic sense of urgency about this whole thing, and there is every reason to believe your overall fatigue is directly related to low T level. So, yes, things are likely to get better, maybe much better once you begin treatment, I really believe that. You clearly have to tell your endo that you need a shot in the ass of one CC of 200mg depo T right away, why? because your are weak and sick and not right and the blood tests are back and confirm you have very low T. There should be no argument about this at all, only your being able to succesfully communicate your urgency so your doc makes it her urgency. best of luck to you, be firm, and nice, and you will get what you want norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:57:59 -0000, you wrote: > >> >> Hi Norton, >> >> Here's the results. I guess they are in european units?? >> >> TSH: 1.15 >> FSH: .8 >> LUTEIN: .4 >> TESTOSTERONE .62 >> FREE TEST. 1.5 >> ESTRADIOL 19 >> >> Normal per the Lab report >> TSH: 0.30 - 5.00 uIi/mL >> FSH: 0.8 - 13.9 uIU/mL >> LUTEIN: 1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL >> TESTOSTERONE 2.80 - 8.00 ng/mL >> FREE TEST. 11.0 - 40.0 pg/mL >> ESTRADIOL <45 for adult males >> >> So here I sit. I can't get my endo on the phone, just get her nurse >> who tells me the doc aint there and she don't know when she'll be >back >> (is that the sound of banjos twanging in the back.. why yes it >is...) >> >> The local doc say I can't help you now that you have a big city >> specialist and all. >> >> I'm thinking about drinking bottle of draino. Maybe then I could >get >> some medical assistance? >> >> I mean f*ck. I'm paying for this and now I've lost my job because I >> can't do anything for more than a half hour before I turn into a >> zombie and start looking for a horizontal surface to crash on. >> >> I guess that I have an unrealistic sense of urgency about this whole >> thing. >> >> >------------------- > Hi , on the contrary I think you have a very realistic sense >of urgency about this whole thing, and there is every reason to >believe your overall fatigue is directly related to low T level. >So, yes, things are likely to get better, maybe much better once you >begin treatment, I really believe that. You clearly have to tell your >endo that you need a shot in the ass of one CC of 200mg depo T right >away, why? because your are weak and sick and not right and the >blood tests are back and confirm you have very low T. There should >be no argument about this at all, only your being able to succesfully >communicate your urgency so your doc makes it her urgency. >best of luck to you, be firm, and nice, and you will get what you want >norton I'd say he needs a ferritin test and prolactin test first. No sense starting TRT if the cause is prolactin or iron. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Carpal Tunnel Syndrome seems to fit your pain & ache description. A doctor can performa an electrical stimulation test on your forearm muscles to determing the lag time in the response from the tendons & muscles to determine if it is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. They shock the muscles at different places. I had it in both hands. DO NOT have both hands operated on at the same time unless you have a very understanding partner to feed, cloth, & wipe you. Surgery is usually the cure. It will disable that hand for a few weeks. I wish I had the surgery a few years earlier & saved all that pain & waking up at nigh to shake the feeling back in the hands. Try this link for more info. http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php? f=35 & jump=Jump+to+Board Good luck > > Hi All, I'm still new at this hypo-crap. Is nagging pain that ranges > from a dull ache all the time to sharp stabbing pain in my right arm, > wrist and numb fingers a part of this stuff? My doc won't talk to me > until jan 13 so I'm posting here for help. My T and LH are very low > for a reference. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 > > > ------------------------ > > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, and > > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing such > > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > > Norton > > > > Norton, The reason there is any " pain relief " from testosterone or other aromatizing steroid is due to it's estrogen conversion. In HRT, the amount of estrogen is kept in check with blood work and other meds to keep the estrogen level in the normal category. In other words, there is no pain relief unless the estrogen level is brought up considerably. Why? B/C estrogen is biphasic...meaning at low levels it has one affect and at higher levels it has the opposite affect. Low/med levels of estrogen are pro-inflammatory (pain) whereas high levels of estrogen are anti-inflammatory (pain relief). That is the only way you will get aromatizing AAS to exert " pain relief. " Also, The class of steroids for pain relief are GENERALLY catabolic steroids...like cortisone. It BREAKS down the tissue in the area that is inflammed. The class of steroids for testosterone and others similar to it are ANABOLIC and they are not usued for pain relief...for the most part. Sure, the right amount of testosterone can give some " pain relief " as explained above...but, I hardly think HRT dosages of testosterone falls into this catergory. I think you are bunching all the steroids into one class. Case in point...cholesterol is a steroid...are you going to inject or ingest that for pain relief? Afterall, it is a steroid. If you need any references to the studies to back my statements...just ask...more than glad to send you the load of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Before I even knew about high E2 or Estrogen's in men I was on Androgel then Testim after a time on the gels I started having bad joint and muscle pain. My Dr. felt it was Arthritis and put me on Vioxx then Celebrex. I had no relief on the meds. I posted this problem and Norton got back to me saying he had the same problem. He stopped the gels and went on shots of Testosterone every week and the pain went away. I told my Dr. about this and he put me on shots with the gels. This helped with the pain a lot but I started feeling bad. I found out that getting my levels up high enough to stop the pain made my E2 Estradiol go why up so high I started having panic attacks in the middle of the night and my skin was hot and red. I was breaking out in rash's and had no libido. Taking Arimidex and getting my E2 Estradiol down stopped my panic and made my ED 80% better and gave me my sex life back. For a long time I could not reach an orgasm. I got off the gels the first of this yr. and did 150 mgs of Depo T were week doing this took away the pain to the point I could start walking for exercise. Then about 6 months ago I added HCG shots 250 IU's 3 times a week this doubled my T levels my Total T went from 600 to 1200 range 262 to 1500 my joints and muscles got so much better that I started going to the gym and working out on 16 machines working the 11 major muscle groups. But as time went on my DHT and E2 went up too. My DHT on my last test 6 weeks ago was 2200 range 36 to 573. So my Dr. lowered the HCG shots to 100 IU's everyday. My T levels came down to 900 but my DHT stayed high. And I now need to take a .5 Arimidex everyday with the Indolplex/DIM I take to keep my E2 down. When my E2 goes to high I feel like crap so I keep it down around 20 this for me is a small price to pay to feel as good as I am now I feel the best I ever felt in the 21 yrs. I have been on TRT. I was told 21 yrs. ago that I am primary and my testis don't work. So why are my T levels going double on HCG if my testis don't work. So this week I am having an MRI to see if I have a Pituitary problem. I see my Dr. on the 3rd. of next yr. and I hope my DHT came down I have been on Saw Palmetto to help bring it down. I don't feel for myself that higher E2 or E's helped with my joint and muscle pain hell this time last yr. I was so bad it was hard to walk and I was house bound. Phil methoxy1000 <no_reply > wrote: > > > ------------------------ > > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, and > > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing such > > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > > Norton > > > > Norton, The reason there is any " pain relief " from testosterone or other aromatizing steroid is due to it's estrogen conversion. In HRT, the amount of estrogen is kept in check with blood work and other meds to keep the estrogen level in the normal category. In other words, there is no pain relief unless the estrogen level is brought up considerably. Why? B/C estrogen is biphasic...meaning at low levels it has one affect and at higher levels it has the opposite affect. Low/med levels of estrogen are pro-inflammatory (pain) whereas high levels of estrogen are anti-inflammatory (pain relief). That is the only way you will get aromatizing AAS to exert " pain relief. " Also, The class of steroids for pain relief are GENERALLY catabolic steroids...like cortisone. It BREAKS down the tissue in the area that is inflammed. The class of steroids for testosterone and others similar to it are ANABOLIC and they are not usued for pain relief...for the most part. Sure, the right amount of testosterone can give some " pain relief " as explained above...but, I hardly think HRT dosages of testosterone falls into this catergory. I think you are bunching all the steroids into one class. Case in point...cholesterol is a steroid...are you going to inject or ingest that for pain relief? Afterall, it is a steroid. If you need any references to the studies to back my statements...just ask...more than glad to send you the load of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > > > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > > > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > > > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > > > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > > > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > > > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > > > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, > and > > > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing > such > > > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > > > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > > > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > > > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > > > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > > > Norton > > > > > > > > > Norton, > > The reason there is any " pain relief " from testosterone or other > aromatizing steroid is due to it's estrogen conversion. In HRT, the > amount of estrogen is kept in check with blood work and other meds to > keep the estrogen level in the normal category. In other words, there > is no pain relief unless the estrogen level is brought up > considerably. Why? B/C estrogen is biphasic...meaning at low levels > it has one affect and at higher levels it has the opposite affect. > Low/med levels of estrogen are pro-inflammatory (pain) whereas high > levels of estrogen are anti-inflammatory (pain relief). That is the > only way you will get aromatizing AAS to exert " pain relief. " > > Also, The class of steroids for pain relief are GENERALLY catabolic > steroids...like cortisone. It BREAKS down the tissue in the area that > is inflammed. The class of steroids for testosterone and others > similar to it are ANABOLIC and they are not usued for pain > relief...for the most part. Sure, the right amount of testosterone > can give some " pain relief " as explained above...but, I hardly think > HRT dosages of testosterone falls into this catergory. > > I think you are bunching all the steroids into one class. Case in > point...cholesterol is a steroid...are you going to inject or ingest > that for pain relief? Afterall, it is a steroid. > > If you need any references to the studies to back my statements...just > ask...more than glad to send you the load of them. ----------------------- Yes, it makes sense what you say. And after an injection, does not one's estrogen level rise along with the T level, which as you say helps to relieve pain? Testosterone or Estrogen rising, doesn't matter to me, the fact is that is does relieve pain, at least for me. norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Testosterone or Estrogen rising, doesn't matter to me---- Both are steroids and both will alleviate joint pain and strengthen skin, cartilage, and bone. The androgens (testosterone) however have a greater effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Phil, Thanks for sharing your experience on the matter. Helps me keep believing there is hope out there. Only a couple of more weeks until my next appointment. > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Hi , welcome to hypo-crap hell. Yes, to answer your question, > > > low testosterone levels do seem to have a direct correlation with > > > overall joint and soft tissue discomfort. As Philip said, injecting > > > testosterone is more of an effective method of pain control than skin > > > spreadons. And the reason is that synthetic testosterone is a steroid > > > and as you know, steroids are quite commonly prescribed for pain > > > because they reduce swelling. In many cases, injecting is more > > > effective than skin spreadons for more getting the T into oneself, > and > > > also for pain relief. Having said this, I am having trouble seeing > such > > > a similar direct correlation with low T and the sharp pain in your > > > right arm. ly this sounds like something more serious than just > > > low testosterone, like torn or stressed tissue or a nerve problem. > > > So, you just got checked out and low levels are low, but your doc has > > > not yet prescribed tesosterone replacement? > > > Norton > > > > > > > > > Norton, > > The reason there is any " pain relief " from testosterone or other > aromatizing steroid is due to it's estrogen conversion. In HRT, the > amount of estrogen is kept in check with blood work and other meds to > keep the estrogen level in the normal category. In other words, there > is no pain relief unless the estrogen level is brought up > considerably. Why? B/C estrogen is biphasic...meaning at low levels > it has one affect and at higher levels it has the opposite affect. > Low/med levels of estrogen are pro-inflammatory (pain) whereas high > levels of estrogen are anti-inflammatory (pain relief). That is the > only way you will get aromatizing AAS to exert " pain relief. " > > Also, The class of steroids for pain relief are GENERALLY catabolic > steroids...like cortisone. It BREAKS down the tissue in the area that > is inflammed. The class of steroids for testosterone and others > similar to it are ANABOLIC and they are not usued for pain > relief...for the most part. Sure, the right amount of testosterone > can give some " pain relief " as explained above...but, I hardly think > HRT dosages of testosterone falls into this catergory. > > I think you are bunching all the steroids into one class. Case in > point...cholesterol is a steroid...are you going to inject or ingest > that for pain relief? Afterall, it is a steroid. > > If you need any references to the studies to back my statements...just > ask...more than glad to send you the load of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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