RE: Stupid Syringe Question

[Guest guest]

I have just performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave

If you are using so small a quantity of liquid (ie 0.6ml) you need say a 1ml

syringe not 2ml

let alone 3ml.

Hope that helps?

On 26 Dec 2006 at 10:41, Dave wrote:

> Okay, this is going to sound stupid, but I just noticed that there seems to

> be a lot of room for error on the 3cc syringes I am using to inject

> cypionate with. Here's what I mean:

>

> When I am loading the syringe, I pull back and let the fluid fill to a bit

> more than the mark I want..ie., for a .5cc injection of cypionate, I let the

> fluid fill the syringe to .6cc, then tap the bubbles out, and push the fluid

> back into the bottle until the plunger is back at the .5cc mark. I then

> withdraw the syringe from the vial, pull back the fluid to change the

> needle, and then push the fluid back until just a little comes out the

> needle before injecting.

>

> What I notice now is that if I think I have 0.5cc in the syringe, when I

> pull it back to change the needle, there's actually almost .6cc in it still,

> as if there's room for .1cc in the syringe/needle above the zero mark on the

> syringe.

>

> Generally I don't check my needles after injecting, but I just looked this

> morning and even though I fully press the plunger as hard as I can to get

> all the fluid out while it's in my thigh, if I stand the syringe on the

> needle afterwards, I see there's maybe .05 to .075cc's still in the syringe.

>

> Is this just a normal waste factor to allow for in the injection process, or

> am I doing something wrong?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do my shots every 3 days so it's not so big .25mls I use a small needle 27g

1ml x 1/2 " lg. It takes about a min. to get the T out of the vile I pull the

plunger all the way down and just hold it untill I get about .5mls in the needle

then I tap up the air and push the air and T back into the vile. I shoot just

off the top of my leg into my thigh it takes some time to get the T out of the

needle and this is good you need to push it in slow.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Phil

louislarocque@... wrote:

I have just performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat

like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Louis -

I know what you mean. I sweated for an hour the first

time I injected myself.

My dr. instructed me to inject in the upper quadrant

of the buttocks, either right or left side. Basically

in the area where your wallet would ride if you had it

in a back pocket.

I use a 1 in x 25g needle to inject, with a 1 ml

syringe. I use a 1 1/2 in x 18g needle to withdraw the

fluid from the vial. Be sure to inject an equivalent

amount of air into the vial before withdrawing the

fluid, or you will be creating a vacuum in the vial.

Using the 25g needle it probably takes 30 - 45 sec to

inject .5 ml. The fluid is very viscous and travels

slowly through the needle. After the injection I rub

the area vigorously for a few seconds. I very seldom

have any pain at all after an injection.

Jim

--- louislarocque@... wrote:

> I have just performed my first injection last night.

> Hurray, sweat like a

> pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over

> this hump.

>

> Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1

> ml left in the syringe,

> 3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be

> all out. I injected dead

> centre in the upper leg and it is quite a

> charlie-horse the next day.

>

> Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would

> make it easier to push in

> and guage when complete because the travel of the

> plunger is longer.

>

> Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

>

> Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper

> leg to inject i.e.

> offcentre of the upper leg.

>

> If anyone has experience or a good link on IM

> injection sights it would be

> very helpful to me.

>

> Louis

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@... wrote: I have just performed my first injection

last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one on

the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort.

I do them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@... wrote: I have just performed my first injection last

night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g that

I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I shoot

into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the next on the

left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over time, it is

getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding and minimal post

shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which now looks lika a

harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done with a 1 cc syringe for

better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the

next one on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do them

myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and there seem

to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@... wrote: I have just performed my first injection last

night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a lot

of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g that I

order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I shoot into

the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the next on the left(

the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over time, it is getting

more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding and minimal post shot

discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which now looks lika a harpoon.

Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done with a 1 cc syringe for better

accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one on

the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do them

myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and there seem

to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@... wrote: I have just performed my first injection last

night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little tricky

at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc syringe and

for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a lot

of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g that I

order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I shoot into

the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the next on the left(

the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over time, it is getting

more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding and minimal post shot

discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which now looks lika a harpoon.

Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done with a 1 cc syringe for better

accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one on

the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do them

myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and there seem

to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@... wrote: I have just performed my first injection last

night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil this injection link should help alot.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dad! :-)

I have just performed my first injection

last night. Hurray, sweat like a

> pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

>

> Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the

syringe,

> 3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I

injected dead

> centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next

day.

>

> Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to

push in

> and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

>

> Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

>

> Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject

i.e.

> offcentre of the upper leg.

>

> If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it

would be

> very helpful to me.

>

> Louis

>

>

[Guest guest]

The mirror injection is inspirational! I was getting a nurse to inject in

the butt weekly at my work and she was painless. I had to do it myself over the

holidays.

Thanks for your experience. I will try it myself as soon as I get the rest

of the act routine and without so much sweat (I sweat at the sight of one).

Louis

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for the info on how you are doing your injections.

How do you do it in the but, mirror or do you twist. I have always had

little or no pain when someone does it in the but for me. I did the first one in

the thigh to simplify things and get it right. As luck would have it I dropped

the syringe and poked into the skin and out the other side. I withdrew the

needle and injected it in the muscle. It was a dit comical but I made it.

Next day is tomorrow. I may just try the buttock.

Louis

[Guest guest]

How do you know that you hit a nerve?

I tried a dry run on the side and yes it appears to be comfortable. The

aspiration may be a bit tricky but it looks possible. I may give it a try.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

For me, I lay on my side with needle in hand. I know the general area I am

heading for and once I make the initial stick, I push it the rest of the way

in. This may sounds painful but for me it isn't. The good part for me doing

it myself is a couple times I started to hit a nerve. I knew exactly when to

stop..

louislarocque@... wrote: Jim,

Thanks for the info on how you are doing your injections.

How do you do it in the but, mirror or do you twist. I have always had

little or no pain when someone does it in the but for me. I did the first one in

the thigh to simplify things and get it right. As luck would have it I dropped

the syringe and poked into the skin and out the other side. I withdrew the

needle and injected it in the muscle. It was a dit comical but I made it.

Next day is tomorrow. I may just try the buttock.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.. you'll know it when it happens. Could be a tingle feeling or maybe

just pain that shoots down your leg. This only happened 2 or 3 times in the

year I have been doing injections.

louislarocque@... wrote: How do you know that you hit a nerve?

I tried a dry run on the side and yes it appears to be comfortable. The

aspiration may be a bit tricky but it looks possible. I may give it a try.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

hey bud.. i use 23 gauge needle for my injections . works great.. not a lot

of pain in my glute

[Guest guest]

I hit a nerve in the thigh once...DAMN, that hurts. I also push the needle

in very slowly, for the same reason: so I can back it out if I think I am

hitting a nerve. I've only had to back out once. My roommate needs

injections occassionally, and I go slow, he complains and says just jam it

in...I tell him, trust me, if we're hitting a nerve, you'll be very thankful

I went slow.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Brown

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:54 AM

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

For me, I lay on my side with needle in hand. I know the general area I am

heading for and once I make the initial stick, I push it the rest of the way

in. This may sounds painful but for me it isn't. The good part for me doing

it myself is a couple times I started to hit a nerve. I knew exactly when to

stop..

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: Jim,

Thanks for the info on how you are doing your injections.

How do you do it in the but, mirror or do you twist. I have always had

little or no pain when someone does it in the but for me. I did the first

one in

the thigh to simplify things and get it right. As luck would have it I

dropped

the syringe and poked into the skin and out the other side. I withdrew the

needle and injected it in the muscle. It was a dit comical but I made it.

Next day is tomorrow. I may just try the buttock.

Louis

[Guest guest]

You will KNOW when you've hit a nerve...imagine a sharp bolt of electricity

running down your entire leg.

I've had a couple of herniated discs in my back, and the nerve pain

(sciatica) down the leg is almost identical when the disc pinches the nerve

acutley.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of louislarocque@...

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:43 AM

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

How do you know that you hit a nerve?

I tried a dry run on the side and yes it appears to be comfortable. The

aspiration may be a bit tricky but it looks possible. I may give it a try.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

My pharmacy and internet syringe providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Are you trying to buy the syringe and needle all in one piece? I buy seperate

syringe (says " TERUMO SYRINGE Tuberclin " ) then buy the needles that twist on to

the bottom. That way just about any size needled can be used with the syringe.

Dave <groups@...> wrote: My pharmacy and internet syringe

providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Okay, I'll check that out. I generallly by the Terumo, but in the

pre-sealed package where the needle is attached already. They're detachable

needles, so I can switch the vial draw needle to a new needle.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Brown

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: Stupid Syringe Question

Are you trying to buy the syringe and needle all in one piece? I buy

seperate syringe (says " TERUMO SYRINGE Tuberclin " ) then buy the needles that

twist on to the bottom. That way just about any size needled can be used

with the syringe.

Dave <groupssocal (DOT) <mailto:groups%40socal.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: My

pharmacy and internet syringe providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto: @

<mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Guys I use a small needle to draw the T and shot. 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. been doing

my T shots this way for a dam long time. I will never go back to a 25 or 23 g

needle hurts like hell into the Thigh. When I draw out the T from the vile I

pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until I have more then my dose

then I push some of it back into the vile to get the air out and then stick the

needle fast into my thigh just off the top to the side. The T comes out slow

and you need it to come out slow. I never had any pain doing this when I first

started I was told to use a 25g x 1 " lg. needle hurt every dam time I did my

shots. I told my Dr. and he told me who told me to use such a big needle for

this. I told him his Nurse. He told me she must not like me. And then told me

to get some 27g x 1/2 " lg. Once you try this you will not go back.

Phil

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Okay, I'll check that out. I generallly by the Terumo, but in the

pre-sealed package where the needle is attached already. They're detachable

needles, so I can switch the vial draw needle to a new needle.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Brown

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: Stupid Syringe Question

Are you trying to buy the syringe and needle all in one piece? I buy

seperate syringe (says " TERUMO SYRINGE Tuberclin " ) then buy the needles that

twist on to the bottom. That way just about any size needled can be used

with the syringe.

Dave <groupssocal (DOT) <mailto:groups%40socal.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: My

pharmacy and internet syringe providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto: @

<mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Phil,

So does that mean you are doing your T shots Sub Q vs IM?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Guys I use a small needle to draw the T and shot. 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg.

been doing my T shots this way for a dam long time. I will never go back to a 25

or 23 g needle hurts like hell into the Thigh. When I draw out the T from the

vile I pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until I have more then my

dose then I push some of it back into the vile to get the air out and then stick

the needle fast into my thigh just off the top to the side. The T comes out slow

and you need it to come out slow. I never had any pain doing this when I first

started I was told to use a 25g x 1 " lg. needle hurt every dam time I did my

shots. I told my Dr. and he told me who told me to use such a big needle for

this. I told him his Nurse. He told me she must not like me. And then told me to

get some 27g x 1/2 " lg. Once you try this you will not go back.

Phil

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Okay, I'll check that out. I generallly by the Terumo, but in the

pre-sealed package where the needle is attached already. They're detachable

needles, so I can switch the vial draw needle to a new needle.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Brown

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: Stupid Syringe Question

Are you trying to buy the syringe and needle all in one piece? I buy

seperate syringe (says " TERUMO SYRINGE Tuberclin " ) then buy the needles that

twist on to the bottom. That way just about any size needled can be used

with the syringe.

Dave <groupssocal (DOT) <mailto:groups%40socal.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: My

pharmacy and internet syringe providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto: @

<mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis

[Guest guest]

Maybe yes maybe no but my levels are the same from test to test every 6 weeks.

I have no pain doing my shots this way. Dr. Shippen does this but in his belly

subQ subQ is you pinch up the skin and hold it and inject into the skin. I

don't like this it burns for about half the day.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

So does that mean you are doing your T shots Sub Q vs IM?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Guys I use a small needle to draw the T and shot. 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. been doing

my T shots this way for a dam long time. I will never go back to a 25 or 23 g

needle hurts like hell into the Thigh. When I draw out the T from the vile I

pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until I have more then my dose

then I push some of it back into the vile to get the air out and then stick the

needle fast into my thigh just off the top to the side. The T comes out slow and

you need it to come out slow. I never had any pain doing this when I first

started I was told to use a 25g x 1 " lg. needle hurt every dam time I did my

shots. I told my Dr. and he told me who told me to use such a big needle for

this. I told him his Nurse. He told me she must not like me. And then told me to

get some 27g x 1/2 " lg. Once you try this you will not go back.

Phil

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Okay, I'll check that out. I generallly by the Terumo, but in the

pre-sealed package where the needle is attached already. They're detachable

needles, so I can switch the vial draw needle to a new needle.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Brown

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:58 AM

Subject: RE: Stupid Syringe Question

Are you trying to buy the syringe and needle all in one piece? I buy

seperate syringe (says " TERUMO SYRINGE Tuberclin " ) then buy the needles that

twist on to the bottom. That way just about any size needled can be used

with the syringe.

Dave <groupssocal (DOT) <mailto:groups%40socal.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: My

pharmacy and internet syringe providers don't carry 1cc needles except in

tuberculosis and insluin gage...which is too small for IM. Where are you

guys getting 1cc syringes with 25g of 1 " or more?

_____

From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto: @

<mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:30 AM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Stupid Syringe Question

Great just checking.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

Phil,

Yes, I do switch sides. As Arkansas mentioned, the left side is a little

tricky at first but it gets easier after the first few times. I use a 1 cc

syringe and for me that seems easier than using a bigger one.

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com> wrote:

Hey Louis,

I think it really depends on your build. If you are on the slim side (not a

lot of fat), you can can get by with a shorter needle. I use a 5/8th " 25 g

that I order over the internet. I get a box of 100 which last a long time. I

shoot into the butt looking into a mirror. One week on the right and the

next on the left( the left is a challenge since I am right handed) but over

time, it is getting more comfortable to do. I have zero pain, no bleeding

and minimal post shot discomfort. I started out with a 3cc and a 21 g which

now looks lika a harpoon. Shooting volumes less than a cc should be done

with a 1 cc syringe for better accuracy.

Arkansas

philip georgian <pmgamer18 (DOT) <mailto:pmgamer18%40> com> wrote:

I hope your switching sides doing a shot on the left then the next one

on the right side.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5 (DOT) <mailto:kidsxx5%40> com> wrote:

I use a 1 1/2 " 22 ga needle right in the butt, rarely any discomfort. I do

them myself with no problem. When I first started I had my wife do it and

there seem to be more pain. Hmmmmmm.

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote: I have just

performed my first injection last night. Hurray, sweat like a

pig just doing it. Ha Ha. It was good to get over this hump.

Anyway, I also noticed that there was a residual .1 ml left in the syringe,

3 ml total volume. I pushed hard but it seemed to be all out. I injected

dead

centre in the upper leg and it is quite a charlie-horse the next day.

Using a smaller syringe (smaller diameter) would make it easier to push in

and guage when complete because the travel of the plunger is longer.

Question 1 : should it be this hard to push in?

Question 2: Are there better locations in the upper leg to inject i.e.

offcentre of the upper leg.

If anyone has experience or a good link on IM injection sights it would be

very helpful to me.

Louis