Re: Changes in Body Mass??

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If you are building muscle mass....you are doing great and if your weight is in

the same range ......and you are eating as you have in the past ....and you feel

great...then the treatment that you are on is doing the changes....hit the gym

take advantage and bulk up the muscle mass......the hormones are working.....

I've lost 39lbs on my treatment and the hole time my Dr told me to hit the

gym...I now feel great I look great " as I have been told " and I can do more

things now that I could not have done befor......just turned 51 and I can now

keep up with the best of them

Deano <DHerbert53@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Sorry I haven't posted lately. I'm pretty sure that I've straightened

out the T " dose " situation at 100 units once a week IM.

My wife and a couple of friends are insisting that I look " emaciated "

and have lost weight. I haven't lost weight as far as I can

tell...having been between 155-165 consistently for the last 25 years.

I guess they are talking about muscle mass. I am 53 years old and this

concerns me...now I think I'm dying or something.

Any advice?

Thanks

Dean in Cincy

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>

> Hi Guys,

>

> Sorry I haven't posted lately. I'm pretty sure that I've

straightened

> out the T " dose " situation at 100 units once a week IM.

>

> My wife and a couple of friends are insisting that I

look " emaciated "

> and have lost weight. I haven't lost weight as far as I can

> tell...having been between 155-165 consistently for the last 25

years.

> I guess they are talking about muscle mass. I am 53 years old and

this

> concerns me...now I think I'm dying or something.

>

> Any advice?

>

> Thanks

>

> Dean in Cincy

>

Dean,

If you really haven't lose any weight, then what's actually going on

is you've replaced fat with additional muscle. Muscle is a lot

denser than fat so you'd actually look smaller at the same

bodyweight. The emaciated look could be a perception of how you

look with a leaner face. People I know who have lost a lot of fat

do look emaciated even though they're really not.

You could take up some free weight training and put that

testosterone to some good use too. Another 10-20 pounds of new

muscle would quiet any concerns over being emaciated.

[Guest guest]

Hey Dean,

For me - I go 160 pounds, when I got my T up around 800, I noticed changes in

fat deposition everywhere. For example, in my arms, my biceps now have a vein

sticking out of it, love handles are going away, face is thinner. Bottom line,

your fat to muscle ratio will improve all over your body. Yes you will look more

lean in most cases. The question you should ask yourself is are you seeing a

reduction in weight without changing your eating and exercises.

Arkansas

Deano <DHerbert53@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

Sorry I haven't posted lately. I'm pretty sure that I've straightened

out the T " dose " situation at 100 units once a week IM.

My wife and a couple of friends are insisting that I look " emaciated "

and have lost weight. I haven't lost weight as far as I can

tell...having been between 155-165 consistently for the last 25 years.

I guess they are talking about muscle mass. I am 53 years old and this

concerns me...now I think I'm dying or something.

Any advice?

Thanks

Dean in Cincy

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Hi Dan,

Now that I have you here, I would like to ask you a question. Seems Phil is

gone

for a couple of days and I thought you might know.

I just got my blood work back on Total T - Estriadol - Free T and the results

are:

Oct 23

Estradiol - 35 range 20-75

Total T - 807 range 240 - 950 This is in a good range now I feel like!

Free T - % Free Testosterone 1.6L range 2.0 - 4.8 Still Too low!

Testosterone Free S(ng/dl) 12.9 range 9 -30

When I did my last test July 31 2006 my readings were as follows:

Estradiol - 57 range 20-75

Total T 1080 H range 240-950 Too high!

Free T % Free Testosterone (%) 1.7 L range 9-30

Testosterone Free S(ng/dl) 1.7 L range 2.0 - 4.8 Still too low!

What is happening to the Free T Dan? What can I do to get it from the

bound T? Otherwise I feel good and getting NE in the mornings pretty

regular now, feels good. I cannot always climax but sometimes I do.

Any suggestions to get that free T back in place? What is the difference

between % Free and the regular Free readings? When you said that

getting around 10 days dosage on Arimidex .25mg you were right on the

money it looks like, thanks for that. It really works, now if I can just

stay on that regimen things are shaping up pretty good after a year.

Blessings,

Roy

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Roy, did you get your SHBG tested as well?

You might try google searching on reducing Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roy

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

Hi Dan,

Now that I have you here, I would like to ask you a question. Seems Phil is

gone

for a couple of days and I thought you might know.

I just got my blood work back on Total T - Estriadol - Free T and the

results are:

Oct 23

Estradiol - 35 range 20-75

Total T - 807 range 240 - 950 This is in a good range now I feel like!

Free T - % Free Testosterone 1.6L range 2.0 - 4.8 Still Too low!

Testosterone Free S(ng/dl) 12.9 range 9 -30

When I did my last test July 31 2006 my readings were as follows:

Estradiol - 57 range 20-75

Total T 1080 H range 240-950 Too high!

Free T % Free Testosterone (%) 1.7 L range 9-30

Testosterone Free S(ng/dl) 1.7 L range 2.0 - 4.8 Still too low!

What is happening to the Free T Dan? What can I do to get it from the

bound T? Otherwise I feel good and getting NE in the mornings pretty

regular now, feels good. I cannot always climax but sometimes I do.

Any suggestions to get that free T back in place? What is the difference

between % Free and the regular Free readings? When you said that

getting around 10 days dosage on Arimidex .25mg you were right on the

money it looks like, thanks for that. It really works, now if I can just

stay on that regimen things are shaping up pretty good after a year.

Blessings,

Roy

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:51 -0700, you wrote:

>With a half life of 56 hours, isn't Arimidex every 9 or 10 days an awfully

>long gap between doses?

The question is how long does it take aromotase to build back up to

levels that cause problems once the arimidex is cleared. The arimidex

is binding up aromotase, not blocking the conversion itself. So

unbound aromotase has to be produced to some level before E2 becomes a

problem again.

________________

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argument for it. " Noam Chomsky

[Guest guest]

Roy, did you get your SHBG tested as well?

You might try google searching on reducing Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

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No I didn't have SHBG tested but I am assumin that it is high, my question

is how do I get the free separated from SHBG Dave. I will research Sex

Binding Globulin and see what I can find out too.

Blessings,

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Okay, I understand what you're saying, but it still seems like it would be a

roller coaster ride. Wouldn't smaller doses more often be more stable?

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:51 -0700, you wrote:

>With a half life of 56 hours, isn't Arimidex every 9 or 10 days an awfully

>long gap between doses?

The question is how long does it take aromotase to build back up to

levels that cause problems once the arimidex is cleared. The arimidex

is binding up aromotase, not blocking the conversion itself. So

unbound aromotase has to be produced to some level before E2 becomes a

problem again.

________________

" You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need an

argument for it. " Noam Chomsky

[Guest guest]

Roy this article suggests Stinging Nettles, Carao, and Avenacosides reduce

SHBG. http://www.ironmagazine.com/archive/Secret_Greater_Gains.htm

I'm going to add Stinging Nettles to my regimen and see if the morning wood

behaves any differently.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roy

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:45 AM

Subject: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

Roy, did you get your SHBG tested as well?

You might try google searching on reducing Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

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No I didn't have SHBG tested but I am assumin that it is high, my question

is how do I get the free separated from SHBG Dave. I will research Sex

Binding Globulin and see what I can find out too.

Blessings,

Roy

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Hey Roy - Sorry I have been working long hours and haven't had a chance to check

in. Free T and % Free T are really the same thing. It is an estimate of how much

of your T is freely available to react. Normally this is 2-3% of your Total. I

would not worry with it as long as you are getting erections and feel good. Not

being able to orgasm is symptomatic of high estradiol. I know you were close to

the range with 35 but that sounds like it is still a little too high. 20-30

seems to be the best range for me. You might want to consider taking 0.25 mg of

arimidex every 9 days instead of 10. In theory, that would reduce your level by

~ 10% or 32. Of course that number can vary.

Just my 2 cents - Arkansas

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Hi Dan,

Does it seem too high since my range is 20 - 75 and not like most whose

top range is 50? I could reduce it by going 9 days though if you think that

may be the reason for no orgasm. Just a thought. Thanks for he 2 cents!!

Sorry to hear you have been working long hours, that can be a killer!

Blessings

Roy

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:03:58 -0700, you wrote:

>Okay, I understand what you're saying, but it still seems like it would be a

>roller coaster ride. Wouldn't smaller doses more often be more stable?

I wasn't following the thread closely. But I cut my tablets in 1/4s. I

can't imagine getting them any smaller. On a good week I take one.

Sometimes up to three 1/4s in a week - every other day. Going too low

is a bitch. So every so often I take a week off or more. I'm currently

trying a two week off to clear some issues.

>

>From: [mailto: ]

>On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:22 AM

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

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>On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:51 -0700, you wrote:

>

>>With a half life of 56 hours, isn't Arimidex every 9 or 10 days an awfully

>>long gap between doses?

>

>The question is how long does it take aromotase to build back up to

>levels that cause problems once the arimidex is cleared. The arimidex

>is binding up aromotase, not blocking the conversion itself. So

>unbound aromotase has to be produced to some level before E2 becomes a

>problem again.

>

>________________

> " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need an

>argument for it. " Noam Chomsky

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[Guest guest]

I take 0.5mg every three days, and getting too low is still no worry.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:03:58 -0700, you wrote:

>Okay, I understand what you're saying, but it still seems like it would be

a

>roller coaster ride. Wouldn't smaller doses more often be more stable?

I wasn't following the thread closely. But I cut my tablets in 1/4s. I

can't imagine getting them any smaller. On a good week I take one.

Sometimes up to three 1/4s in a week - every other day. Going too low

is a bitch. So every so often I take a week off or more. I'm currently

trying a two week off to clear some issues.

>

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>On Behalf Of retrogrouch@ <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> comcast.net

>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:22 AM

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>Subject: Re: Re: Changes in Body Mass??

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>On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:51 -0700, you wrote:

>

>>With a half life of 56 hours, isn't Arimidex every 9 or 10 days an awfully

>>long gap between doses?

>

>The question is how long does it take aromotase to build back up to

>levels that cause problems once the arimidex is cleared. The arimidex

>is binding up aromotase, not blocking the conversion itself. So

>unbound aromotase has to be produced to some level before E2 becomes a

>problem again.

>

>________________

> " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need an

>argument for it. " Noam Chomsky

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Roy - Sorry I have been working long hours and haven't had a

chance to check in. Free T and % Free T are really the same thing.

It is an estimate of how much of your T is freely available to

react. Normally this is 2-3% of your Total. I would not worry with

it as long as you are getting erections and feel good. Not being

able to orgasm is symptomatic of high estradiol. I know you were

close to the range with 35 but that sounds like it is still a little

too high. 20-30 seems to be the best range for me. You might want to

consider taking 0.25 mg of arimidex every 9 days instead of 10. In

theory, that would reduce your level by ~ 10% or 32. Of course that

number can vary.

Just my 2 cents - Arkansas

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Dan if my free T is supposed to be around 2-3% of my total T,

then it should be around 24 right? Actually it was 12.0 range 9-30.

Which is low. Is the only way to increase Armidex value to get

more free T, or drop down to 9 days instead of my present 10 day

schedule? My total T was 807 range 20-950 which is a different

range than you have isn't it? I think I calcualted that right.

What is your range?

By the way the VA test said my total T was high. 8.96 range 1.75-

7.81 whatever that means. Oct. 18th. Free was 14.4 range for >50yrs

11-25 pg/mL They don't agree with my lab test here locally for some

reason and they were taken Oct. 18th at VA and Oct. 10th at local

Hospital. Only 8 days apart, figure? I just don't believe the

VA test as they use different labs every time they test. Oh well--

Blessings,

Roy

[Guest guest]

Roy this article suggests Stinging Nettles, Carao, and Avenacosides reduce

SHBG. http://www.ironmaga zine.com/ archive/Secret_ Greater_Gains. htm

I'm going to add Stinging Nettles to my regimen and see if the morning wood

behaves any differently.

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Dave from reading that article it sounds like this is the way to go to reduce

SHBG and also reduce the Estriadol or Prolactin in your body. Think I wil

try that to my regimen and see what happens. Although pumping has given

me more morning wood too so I know that it helps me. Thanks for that

thread Dave. Maybe I can reduce my T shots even more. I have reduced

them already since my E2 has come down.

Blessings,

Roy

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