Re: New member: Need Help with Labs

[Guest guest]

Testosterone is still too low. And that's presumably your morning

peak. I'd like to see your levels ~twice that level. Don't be taken

in by the fact your level is slightly over the lower limit of the

reference range.

Brad

>

> Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

> I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone b/c

> I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to pursue

> any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me to

> do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

> been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

> never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

> was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

> have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

> normal again.

>

> About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

> thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI Anti-

> D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some thyroid

> medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed that

> I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

> that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

> all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid. I've

> since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

> issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he had

> me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

> mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4 for

> the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I felt

> great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

> the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

> side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the years,

> where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

> start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

> time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

> it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible, yet

> I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

> the time.

>

> The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

> and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said that

> if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and you're

> still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c of

> the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

> other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

> wrong with me.

>

> When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and said

> everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about that

> b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

> re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the Dr.

> hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

> copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done last

> week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from the

> 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

> greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

> story? Thanks.

>

> New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

>

> FSH AND LH

> LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

>

> Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

>

> Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

>

> Free Testosteron

> Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

>

> Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

>

> OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> **=Out-of-Range

> > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > >

> > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

> day)

> > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > Free Testosterone

> > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure no expert, but my understanding is that the measurement

of " free " testosterone is very telling, and your blood work definately

shows that particular count to be low. I assume your doctor will make

the usual decision and put you on one package of Andgrogel a day.

It is standard proceedure to be very cautious with initial prescription.

This is a skin spread on that will deliver 5mg of testosterone and will

probably raise your T level a certain amount. Personally, I think based

of your quite low testosterone level, that it won't do you much good.

You may help big time in my opinion. If I was your doc I would give

you a shot in your but of one CC of Depotestosterone to get you jump

started and then teach you to self inject 100mg or one half a CC every

eight days or so. Many members of this group agree this is the best

way to handle TRT. Many have not, and maybe not you also, responded to

skin spreadons like Androgel or Testim, and they are the MOST expensive

form of TRT there is, next to maybe pellet implementation. Injecting

testosterone is the cheapest and often most effective way of getting

the right amount of testosterone into oneself.

best wishes

Norton

[Guest guest]

Hey Jonny and welcome to the group -

Based on your results and your age, you do have low T. Your values should be

600-800 ng/dl for total T. I am not knowledgable on the thyroid stuff but I can

tell you increasing your T will more than likely help. It looks like what you

have done with taking T4 and T3 has had minimal affect so why not try TRT. One

word of caution is it can impact fertility if that is still an issue for you.

Also, TRT is for life so don't make a decision in haste. One thing that my help

you decide is do you still have a reasonable libido, do you get erections at

night/morning? Are you able to maintain erections? These are all symptoms of low

T in addition to being lethargic, brain fog, lack of energy and stamina. If

these apply to you, then I would investigate TRT.

Good Luck - Arkansas

jonnyblog <jonnyblog@...> wrote:

Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone b/c

I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to pursue

any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me to

do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

normal again.

About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI Anti-

D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some thyroid

medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed that

I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid. I've

since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he had

me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4 for

the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I felt

great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the years,

where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible, yet

I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

the time.

The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said that

if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and you're

still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c of

the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

wrong with me.

When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and said

everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about that

b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the Dr.

hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done last

week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from the

1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

story? Thanks.

New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

FSH AND LH

LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

Free Testosteron

Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

**=Out-of-Range

> > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> >

> > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

day)

> > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > Free Testosterone

> > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

[Guest guest]

Sounds like your primary concern is Depression...and with that probably comes a

load of other issues/symptoms like low libido, erection problems, weight gain,

etc...stuff you probably don't realize as the depression looms over you.

More than likely it's your T levels that has set this condition over you.

Would have been useful for you if you had the blood drawn when you started

feeling this way and prior to starting the AntiD meds. The meds may have

created your existing lab work results...or may not even have touched them one

bit.

Sounds like the Endo is an idiot when he says ur T levels are normal. Thats a

common theme with Endo's. Maybe this one will be able to help. Make sure your

educated on TRT prior to requesting it.

<jonnyblog@...> wrote:

>

> Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

> I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone b/c

> I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to pursue

> any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me to

> do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

> been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

> never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

> was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

> have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

> normal again.

>

> About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

> thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI Anti-

> D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some thyroid

> medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed that

> I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

> that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

> all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid. I've

> since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

> issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he had

> me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

> mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4 for

> the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I felt

> great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

> the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

> side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the years,

> where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

> start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

> time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

> it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible, yet

> I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

> the time.

>

> The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

> and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said that

> if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and you're

> still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c of

> the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

> other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

> wrong with me.

>

> When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and said

> everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about that

> b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

> re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the Dr.

> hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

> copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done last

> week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from the

> 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

> greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

> story? Thanks.

>

> New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

>

> FSH AND LH

> LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

>

> Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

>

> Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

>

> Free Testosteron

> Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

>

> Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

>

> OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> **=Out-of-Range

> > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > >

> > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

> day)

> > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > Free Testosterone

> > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your quick response. It sounds like I have my

work set out for me. Again, I still haven't heard back from the Dr.

regarding these labs, I just picked up a copy and was too impatient

to wait for him to call. If this is a serious finding I want to

know NOW. I actually think it's a lot of nerve that these Docs

charge all this $, they're clearly dealing with very sensitive

issues for all of us, and they have the nerve to not sit on these

results until it's convenient for them to get in touch with you.

Hopefully this Endo is competent and will be on the same page as all

of you who are clearly very knowledgable and practical. To that

end, is an Endo the best typ of Doc to pursue treatment with? Does

anyone have any reccomendations for Docs in New York?

As far as my symptoms and my reflections on some things you guys

said...I'm a young guy with no kids yet so the thought that this

could mess with my fertility is a little disconcerting. With that

said, based on the way I function these days I've ruled out the

possibility of having kids until/unless my life somehow gets back to

normal. So I guess I'm in a loose-loose situation if that's what it

comes down to. Are you definitely deemed infertile if you pursue

this treatment, are there ways to still have children, like freezing

sperm b4 starting or something like that?

Interstingly, or maybe not?, I don't really have problems getting or

maintaining an erection. My problem is that I always feel so

miserable w/ what y'all call brain-fog I guess. I always feel like

something is " off " . I'm not interested in doing anything, that

includes having sex. But when I do have sex all the systems seem to

work.

One last question, if this is ineed my problem, and I pursue

treatment, how soon can I realistically expect for things to turn

around for me? Thanks.

> Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

> I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone

b/c

> I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to

pursue

> any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me

to

> do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

> been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

> never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

> was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

> have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

> normal again.

>

> About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

> thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI

Anti-

> D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some

thyroid

> medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed

that

> I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

> that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

> all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid.

I've

> since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

> issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he

had

> me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

> mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4

for

> the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I

felt

> great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

> the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

> side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the

years,

> where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

> start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

> time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

> it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible,

yet

> I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

> the time.

>

> The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

> and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said

that

> if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and

you're

> still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c

of

> the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

> other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

> wrong with me.

>

> When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and

said

> everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about

that

> b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

> re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the

Dr.

> hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

> copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done

last

> week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from

the

> 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

> greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

> story? Thanks.

>

> New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

>

> FSH AND LH

> LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

>

> Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

>

> Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

>

> Free Testosteron

> Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

>

> Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

>

> OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> **=Out-of-Range

> > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > >

> > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

> day)

> > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > Free Testosterone

> > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most of us don't have any better luck with endocrinologists than with

any other specialty. They treat diabetes more than anything else.

Sperm banking is always an option. With your results you should

consider hcg as your treatment. HCG doesn't hurt sperm production the

way testosterone does. Treatments raise testosterone levels fairly

quickly. How long it takes for symptoms to abate varies widely. I

have no idea if raised testosterone levels will improve your mood, but

it is worth trying.

Brad

> > Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> > completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

> > I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone

> b/c

> > I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> > someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> > social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to

> pursue

> > any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me

> to

> > do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

> > been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

> > never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

> > was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

> > have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

> > normal again.

> >

> > About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

> > thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI

> Anti-

> > D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some

> thyroid

> > medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed

> that

> > I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

> > that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

> > all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid.

> I've

> > since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

> > issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he

> had

> > me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

> > mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4

> for

> > the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I

> felt

> > great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

> > the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

> > side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the

> years,

> > where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

> > start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

> > time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> > benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

> > it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible,

> yet

> > I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

> > the time.

> >

> > The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

> > and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> > issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said

> that

> > if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and

> you're

> > still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c

> of

> > the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

> > other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

> > wrong with me.

> >

> > When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and

> said

> > everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> > little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about

> that

> > b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

> > re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> > breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the

> Dr.

> > hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

> > copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> > results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done

> last

> > week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from

> the

> > 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

> > greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

> > story? Thanks.

> >

> > New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> > Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

> >

> > FSH AND LH

> > LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> > FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

> >

> > Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

> >

> > Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

> >

> > Free Testosteron

> > Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> > Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

> >

> > Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

> >

> > OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> > **=Out-of-Range

> > > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > > >

> > > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

> > day)

> > > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > > Free Testosterone

> > > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonnyblog and welcome,

Your story is a duplicate of mine 22 yrs. ago I started having bad fatigue I

kept forcing my self to get up and go to wok. But as time went on I could no

longer push my self. To make a long story short I was on sick leave and after

much testing the Dr.'s told me I am suffering from Major Depression and I have

to go along with this to keep my job and get my sick pay. I had to see a

Psychiatrist and go into Therapy 2 days a week and was put on every dam kind of

AD drug on the market. I went though this shit for 5 yrs. all drugged up and

walking around in a fog. Never felt better. Prozac came out I was put on it

and could not void good and got a bad bladder infection and was sent to see a

Uro. This Dr. checked me up and down front to back told me to get off all these

AD drugs I have low Testosterone. Hell I had to go into a re-hab unit for 30

days to get off all the shit they had me on.

Anyway going on TRT I was back to work in less then 4 months. Never was

suffering from depression.

Your LH and FSH is dam low meaning your pituitary gland in your brain is not

sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis to make testosterone. Do not and

I mean do not go on any T meds until your Dr. finds out way your levels are so

low. You need a MRI on your pituitary to see if you have a tumor of some thing

wrong this is not life treating and and treatable so don't get up set. Your

Total T is dam low for testing in the morning and your Free is below normal. I

feel your Dr. should test your Estradiol " E2 " also if high this can keep your

free T down. If the brain sees your cells full of Estradiol it will think your

testosterone is ok because the brain can't tell the difference thus your LH and

FSH low. Do this test before getting an MRI done. Also being on AD durgs will

bring down T levels and drive up E2.

http://www.priory.com/psych/sexdys.htm

If your still on AD drugs get off them with your Dr. I did and felt better

then when they gave me T meds wow I felt much better. But never in over 22 yrs

did I feel 100% until I read this site www.allthingsmale.com I read TRT: A

Recipe for Success and the HCG Update I showed this to my Dr. and told him I

need to try this if he would not have let me try this I would have went to see

Dr. . Today I feel the best I ever felt in all the 22 yrs I have been on

TRT I am 62.

When you read the TRT in this is the tests that needed to be done cross check

them to what your Dr. is doing and I don't feel you need to say anything to your

Dr. about what you read at the site. Endo's don't like it when they are shown

some ones work. If you feel this Dr. is not doing a good job then see if your

can show your family Dr. the treatment by Dr. and if he will treat you

keeping your T levels up and your E2 down and adding HCG to keep your testis

working. If he is not comfortable treating you ask him to treat you though Dr.

over the phone Dr. dose this. Also go to the home page here and read

in the links section and learn as much as you can about this so you know what

Dr.'s are doing to you and if it is good. For starters read these links.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

I feel your problems or over and in no time your will be a new man. Get your

sperm tested an if good have some frozen to be on the safe side. Yet Dr.

has a lot of his men getting there wife's pregnant on T meds.

I hope this puts your mind at ease.

Phil

jonnyblog <jonnyblog@...> wrote: Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5

years ago my life was

completely disrupted and I've never been the same person since.

I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to anyone b/c

I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to pursue

any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for me to

do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and I've

been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds. I've

never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like it

was something else contributing to all of this, and as the years

have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever be

normal again.

About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for my

thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil (MAOI Anti-

D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some thyroid

medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed that

I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was convinced

that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me that

all of my problems have been caused by my underactive thyroid. I've

since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the thyroid

issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem, he had

me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to the

mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking T4 for

the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and I felt

great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I added

the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived. On a

side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the years,

where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after I

start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount of

time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange. B/c

it shows me that everything is still functional and accessible, yet

I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality 99.9% of

the time.

The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood tests

and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he said that

if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and you're

still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't b/c of

the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole bunch of

other tests on me to see if he could find anything metabolically

wrong with me.

When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me and said

everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about that

b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood test

re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So, the Dr.

hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did get a

copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done last

week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results from the

1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input would

greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of my

story? Thanks.

New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

FSH AND LH

LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

Free Testosteron

Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

**=Out-of-Range

> > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> >

> > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on time of

day)

> > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > Free Testosterone

> > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

[Guest guest]

I hadn't heard anything from my endo eventhough these tests were

done almost 2 weeks ago, so I called their office today inquiring

about next steps. His receptionist just called me back and told me

that the Dr. now wants me to have yet ANOTHER blood test doen--this

time he wants me to fast opvernight and screen for " Metanephrine "

and " Nora-metanephrine " . Of course I got no input on any previous

results, now I guess I'll have to wait another 2 weeks for them to

get these results and hopefully find out something. Anyone know

what might be going on, why this 3rd blood test in 3 weeks now plus

the 24 hour urine collection?

> > > Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> > > completely disrupted and I've never been the same person

since.

> > > I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to

anyone

> > b/c

> > > I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> > > someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> > > social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to

> > pursue

> > > any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for

me

> > to

> > > do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and

I've

> > > been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds.

I've

> > > never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like

it

> > > was something else contributing to all of this, and as the

years

> > > have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever

be

> > > normal again.

> > >

> > > About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for

my

> > > thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil

(MAOI

> > Anti-

> > > D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some

> > thyroid

> > > medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed

> > that

> > > I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was

convinced

> > > that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me

that

> > > all of my problems have been caused by my underactive

thyroid.

> > I've

> > > since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the

thyroid

> > > issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem,

he

> > had

> > > me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to

the

> > > mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking

T4

> > for

> > > the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and

I

> > felt

> > > great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I

added

> > > the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived.

On a

> > > side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the

> > years,

> > > where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after

I

> > > start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount

of

> > > time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> > > benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange.

B/c

> > > it shows me that everything is still functional and

accessible,

> > yet

> > > I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality

99.9% of

> > > the time.

> > >

> > > The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood

tests

> > > and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> > > issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he

said

> > that

> > > if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and

> > you're

> > > still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't

b/c

> > of

> > > the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole

bunch of

> > > other tests on me to see if he could find anything

metabolically

> > > wrong with me.

> > >

> > > When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me

and

> > said

> > > everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> > > little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about

> > that

> > > b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood

test

> > > re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> > > breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So,

the

> > Dr.

> > > hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did

get a

> > > copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> > > results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done

> > last

> > > week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results

from

> > the

> > > 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input

would

> > > greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of

my

> > > story? Thanks.

> > >

> > > New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> > > Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

> > >

> > > FSH AND LH

> > > LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> > > FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

> > >

> > > Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

> > >

> > > Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

> > >

> > > Free Testosteron

> > > Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> > > Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

> > >

> > > Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

> > >

> > > OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> > > **=Out-of-Range

> > > > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > > > >

> > > > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on

time of

> > > day)

> > > > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > > > Free Testosterone

> > > > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Be happy your Dr. is trying all kinds of tests most men that come here had a

Total T test done and there Dr. put them on T meds with knowing way they are

low. Once you start on T meds it is dam hard to figure out way your low and

what the cause is. Looks to me your in good hands.

Phil

jonnyblog <jonnyblog@...> wrote:

I hadn't heard anything from my endo eventhough these tests were

done almost 2 weeks ago, so I called their office today inquiring

about next steps. His receptionist just called me back and told me

that the Dr. now wants me to have yet ANOTHER blood test doen--this

time he wants me to fast opvernight and screen for " Metanephrine "

and " Nora-metanephrine " . Of course I got no input on any previous

results, now I guess I'll have to wait another 2 weeks for them to

get these results and hopefully find out something. Anyone know

what might be going on, why this 3rd blood test in 3 weeks now plus

the 24 hour urine collection?

> > > Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> > > completely disrupted and I've never been the same person

since.

> > > I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to

anyone

> > b/c

> > > I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> > > someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> > > social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to

> > pursue

> > > any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for

me

> > to

> > > do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and

I've

> > > been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds.

I've

> > > never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like

it

> > > was something else contributing to all of this, and as the

years

> > > have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever

be

> > > normal again.

> > >

> > > About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for

my

> > > thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil

(MAOI

> > Anti-

> > > D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some

> > thyroid

> > > medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed

> > that

> > > I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was

convinced

> > > that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me

that

> > > all of my problems have been caused by my underactive

thyroid.

> > I've

> > > since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the

thyroid

> > > issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem,

he

> > had

> > > me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to

the

> > > mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking

T4

> > for

> > > the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and

I

> > felt

> > > great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I

added

> > > the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived.

On a

> > > side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the

> > years,

> > > where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after

I

> > > start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount

of

> > > time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> > > benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange.

B/c

> > > it shows me that everything is still functional and

accessible,

> > yet

> > > I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality

99.9% of

> > > the time.

> > >

> > > The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood

tests

> > > and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> > > issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he

said

> > that

> > > if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and

> > you're

> > > still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't

b/c

> > of

> > > the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole

bunch of

> > > other tests on me to see if he could find anything

metabolically

> > > wrong with me.

> > >

> > > When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me

and

> > said

> > > everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> > > little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about

> > that

> > > b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood

test

> > > re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> > > breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So,

the

> > Dr.

> > > hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did

get a

> > > copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> > > results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done

> > last

> > > week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results

from

> > the

> > > 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input

would

> > > greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of

my

> > > story? Thanks.

> > >

> > > New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> > > Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

> > >

> > > FSH AND LH

> > > LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> > > FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

> > >

> > > Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

> > >

> > > Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

> > >

> > > Free Testosteron

> > > Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> > > Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

> > >

> > > Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

> > >

> > > OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> > > **=Out-of-Range

> > > > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > > > >

> > > > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on

time of

> > > day)

> > > > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > > > Free Testosterone

> > > > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You are getting screwed around. Do you have a fax? If so contact the

receptionist and tell them to fax your results to you. If not, I would go to the

office and get a copy. They are your results and you have a right to see what

they are.

Arkansas

jonnyblog <jonnyblog@...> wrote:

I hadn't heard anything from my endo eventhough these tests were

done almost 2 weeks ago, so I called their office today inquiring

about next steps. His receptionist just called me back and told me

that the Dr. now wants me to have yet ANOTHER blood test doen--this

time he wants me to fast opvernight and screen for " Metanephrine "

and " Nora-metanephrine " . Of course I got no input on any previous

results, now I guess I'll have to wait another 2 weeks for them to

get these results and hopefully find out something. Anyone know

what might be going on, why this 3rd blood test in 3 weeks now plus

the 24 hour urine collection?

> > > Hello All. I'm 27. Starting about 5 years ago my life was

> > > completely disrupted and I've never been the same person

since.

> > > I've been depressed, I have a really hard time talking to

anyone

> > b/c

> > > I never feel like myself in a conversation, even if it's with

> > > someone that I'm very close with, so I basically have to avoid

> > > social contact as much as possible. I haven'tt been able to

> > pursue

> > > any carrer goals b/c everything seems basically impossible for

me

> > to

> > > do...Over the years I've gone to see many psychiatrists and

I've

> > > been on/off many different anti-Ds and anti-Anxiety meds.

I've

> > > never really reponded to anything,,,To me, it always felt like

it

> > > was something else contributing to all of this, and as the

years

> > > have gone by it's been tough to believe that things can ever

be

> > > normal again.

> > >

> > > About 4 months ago my psychiatrist sent me for blood test for

my

> > > thyroid. I had been on, and am still on, 60 mg of Nardil

(MAOI

> > Anti-

> > > D that wasn't doing much for me so he suggested we add some

> > thyroid

> > > medication to the mix. When the results came back they showed

> > that

> > > I had a TSH of 5.25. At that point my psychiatrist was

convinced

> > > that I was Hypothyroid, and he started me on T4, and told me

that

> > > all of my problems have been caused by my underactive

thyroid.

> > I've

> > > since gone to see 2 different Endos to follow up on the

thyroid

> > > issue. The 1st 1 told me that I did have a thyroid problem,

he

> > had

> > > me continue taking T4 75mcg and he added T3 (Cytomel) 5mcg to

the

> > > mix. THrough all of this, I'd say that when I started taking

T4

> > for

> > > the 1st time back in November I had a nice response to it and

I

> > felt

> > > great for about 10 days and then I crashed. And then when I

added

> > > the T3 I had nice response which was also prett short lived.

On a

> > > side note, I've had similar reactions to stimulants over the

> > years,

> > > where I'll feel great, " Normal " , almost instantaneously after

I

> > > start them, that state of mind will last for a certain amount

of

> > > time, and then I'll crash and the meds won't have any further

> > > benefit for me. I've always thought that was really strange.

B/c

> > > it shows me that everything is still functional and

accessible,

> > yet

> > > I'm so far removed from all my feelings and functionality

99.9% of

> > > the time.

> > >

> > > The next Endo I saw about a month ago looked at all my blood

tests

> > > and he told me that he doesn't think there's much of a thyroid

> > > issue. He said that there may have been at 1 time, but he

said

> > that

> > > if you're on the right dose for a certain amount of time and

> > you're

> > > still not feeling well, then the symptoms most likely aren't

b/c

> > of

> > > the thyroid. So he said that he was going to run a whole

bunch of

> > > other tests on me to see if he could find anything

metabolically

> > > wrong with me.

> > >

> > > When the tests came back a couple of weeks ago he called me

and

> > said

> > > everythin looked normal, EXCEPT, that my Testosterone looked a

> > > little low. He said that he wasn't really too concerned about

> > that

> > > b/c it can fluctuate a lot, and he asked me to have the blood

test

> > > re-done early in the morning 2 hours after eating a high-carb

> > > breakfast, which he said will give an accurate reading. So,

the

> > Dr.

> > > hasn't called me yet with any follow-up diagnosis, but I did

get a

> > > copy of the labs, and here are the results. I also have some

> > > results from a 24 hour urine collection analysis that was done

> > last

> > > week which I'll post. Finally, I'll also post the results

from

> > the

> > > 1st set of labs that were done a few weeks ago. Any input

would

> > > greatly appreciated; on the lab results and/or on any part of

my

> > > story? Thanks.

> > >

> > > New Blood Labs--3/3/06:

> > > Glucose, 2HR PP: 77 -- 65-139 mg/dl

> > >

> > > FSH AND LH

> > > LH: 2.2 -- 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL

> > > FSH: 1.2 -- 1.6-8.0 mIU/mL

> > >

> > > Insulin, Serum: 14 -- <17 Micro IU/mL

> > >

> > > Total Testosteron: 273 -- 260-1000 ng/dL

> > >

> > > Free Testosteron

> > > Testosterone, %, Free: 1.7 -- 1.0-2.7 Percent

> > > Testosterone, Free: 45.2 -- 50.0-210.0 pg/mL

> > >

> > > Hemoglobin A1C: 4.9 -- Percent

> > >

> > > OLD LABS--From 2/14/06:

> > > **=Out-of-Range

> > > > > TSH: 1.37 (.4-5.5)

> > > > > T4, Total: 7.2 (4.5-12)

> > > > > T3 Uptake: 31.7 (27.8-40.7)

> > > > > T4, Free, Calculated: 2.28 (1.53-3.85)

> > > > > T3, Free: 362 (230-420)

> > > > >

> > > > > IGF-I: 262 (126-382)

> > > > > **FSH: 1.1 (1.6-8)

> > > > > LH: 1.5 (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Prolactin: 8 (2-18)

> > > > > Cortisol, Total, Serum: 16.4 (4-22 or 3-17 depending on

time of

> > > day)

> > > > > Insulin, Serum: 9 (Micro IU/ml <17)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 298 (110-510)

> > > > > **Total Testosterone: 229 (260-1000)

> > > > > Free Testosterone

> > > > > -Testosterone, %, Free: 1.9 (1-2.7)

> > > > > **-Testosterone, Free: 44.3 (50-210)

> > > > > 17-OH-Pregnenolone, Serum: 106 (20-450)

> > > > > **DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE: 17 (25-75)

> > > > > Androstenedione, LC/MS/MS: 68 (50-220)

> > > > > 17-OH-Progesterone, LCMSMS: 214 (32-307)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

jonny,

Your doc is taking all the right steps in ruling out possible underlying causes

of your

condition. A metanephrine test will rule out organic adrenal problems. Don't be

surprised

if he wants an MRI too.

IMO he's doing a good, thorough test regime. That will save time and uncertainty

in the

long run. To many of us had docs who took shortcuts, starting treatment without

all the

facts.

I regularly have my test results faxed or mailed to me when they become

available. Your

doc's staff should cooperate.

Bruce

>

> I hadn't heard anything from my endo eventhough these tests were

> done almost 2 weeks ago, so I called their office today inquiring

> about next steps. His receptionist just called me back and told me

> that the Dr. now wants me to have yet ANOTHER blood test doen--this

> time he wants me to fast opvernight and screen for " Metanephrine "

> and " Nora-metanephrine " . Of course I got no input on any previous

> results, now I guess I'll have to wait another 2 weeks for them to

> get these results and hopefully find out something. Anyone know

> what might be going on, why this 3rd blood test in 3 weeks now plus

> the 24 hour urine collection?