Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG everyday Update.

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Very nice indeed, very nice blood results.

Quite a few guys have had breathing problems on TRT including bronchitis.

One source for that problem that i found was the testosterone injectible itself.

Mine had a slight color change after many weeks so i tossed it and opened up a

new bottle

and no breathing problem. It looks like given the fact it takes us guys 20 weeks

to get

through a bottle of T that it can go bad. I wipe the rubber down with alcohol

before and

after drawing now just to be safe. If you have another unopened bottle, put em

side by

side and see if the color is exact, has to be from the same company. Now batch

to batch

there may be a color difference. What i saw was a slight redness to mine.

>

> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some research on

> the DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem and I

> was the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5 Arimidex

> every 3 days.

>

> Here is how my tests came out.

> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

> feels this is ok.

> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam good here

> not doing to much HCG.

> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are good

> here also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

> over 2200.

> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

> for.

> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>

> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>

> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey thanks for the heads up but I just got this vile of Deop T 2 months ago and

it is a light yellow.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

Phil,

Very nice indeed, very nice blood results.

Quite a few guys have had breathing problems on TRT including bronchitis.

One source for that problem that i found was the testosterone injectible itself.

Mine had a slight color change after many weeks so i tossed it and opened up a

new bottle

and no breathing problem. It looks like given the fact it takes us guys 20 weeks

to get

through a bottle of T that it can go bad. I wipe the rubber down with alcohol

before and

after drawing now just to be safe. If you have another unopened bottle, put em

side by

side and see if the color is exact, has to be from the same company. Now batch

to batch

there may be a color difference. What i saw was a slight redness to mine.

>

> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some research on

> the DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem and I

> was the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5 Arimidex

> every 3 days.

>

> Here is how my tests came out.

> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

> feels this is ok.

> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam good here

> not doing to much HCG.

> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are good

> here also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

> over 2200.

> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

> for.

> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>

> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>

> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

>

[Guest guest]

What brand do you use?

My Cypionate () comes in a tinted bottle, impossible to tell the color

until it is drawn into the syringe.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>Phil,

>

>Very nice indeed, very nice blood results.

>

>Quite a few guys have had breathing problems on TRT including

>bronchitis.

>One source for that problem that i found was the testosterone

>injectible itself.

>Mine had a slight color change after many weeks so i tossed it

>and opened up a new bottle and no breathing problem. It looks

>like given the fact it takes us guys 20 weeks to get through a

>bottle of T that it can go bad. I wipe the rubber down with

>alcohol before and after drawing now just to be safe. If you

>have another unopened bottle, put em side by side and see if

>the color is exact, has to be from the same company. Now batch

>to batch there may be a color difference. What i saw was a

>slight redness to mine.

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>research on the

>> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

>> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

>> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

>and I was

>> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>Arimidex every 3

>> days.

>>

>> Here is how my tests came out.

>> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

>> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

>> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

>> feels this is ok.

>> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>good here not

>> doing to much HCG.

>> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

>good here

>> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

>> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

>> over 2200.

>> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

>> for.

>> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>>

>> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

>> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

>> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

>> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>>

>> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use Depo T by Up.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

What brand do you use?

My Cypionate () comes in a tinted bottle, impossible to tell the color

until it is drawn into the syringe.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>Phil,

>

>Very nice indeed, very nice blood results.

>

>Quite a few guys have had breathing problems on TRT including

>bronchitis.

>One source for that problem that i found was the testosterone

>injectible itself.

>Mine had a slight color change after many weeks so i tossed it

>and opened up a new bottle and no breathing problem. It looks

>like given the fact it takes us guys 20 weeks to get through a

>bottle of T that it can go bad. I wipe the rubber down with

>alcohol before and after drawing now just to be safe. If you

>have another unopened bottle, put em side by side and see if

>the color is exact, has to be from the same company. Now batch

>to batch there may be a color difference. What i saw was a

>slight redness to mine.

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>research on the

>> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

>> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

>> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

>and I was

>> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>Arimidex every 3

>> days.

>>

>> Here is how my tests came out.

>> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

>> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

>> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

>> feels this is ok.

>> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>good here not

>> doing to much HCG.

>> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

>good here

>> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

>> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

>> over 2200.

>> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

>> for.

>> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>>

>> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

>> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

>> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

>> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>>

>> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It was compounded, so there was no brand name, thinking it was a bad batch or it

got

went bad after 10-12 weeks. Now using Upjohn, no problems and never had a

problem

with Upjohn.

> >>

> >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> >research on the

> >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

> >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

> >and I was

> >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> >Arimidex every 3

> >> days.

> >>

> >> Here is how my tests came out.

> >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

> >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

> >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

> >> feels this is ok.

> >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> >good here not

> >> doing to much HCG.

> >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

> >good here

> >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

> >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

> >> over 2200.

> >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

> >> for.

> >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> >>

> >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

> >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

> >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

> >>

> >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't see the value of doing injections every 3 days... twice a week

should suffice. This is how bodybuilders have been injection cyp/enan

for years to keep blood levels stable. The general rule has been to

inject when you've reach half of the half-life of a long ester.

I speculate that injecting every 3 days will show no real advantage

over a twice-a-week schedule. JMO...

> > >>

> > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> > >research on the

> > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

> > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

> > >and I was

> > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> > >Arimidex every 3

> > >> days.

> > >>

> > >> Here is how my tests came out.

> > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it

was

> > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

> > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

Dr.

> > >> feels this is ok.

> > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> > >good here not

> > >> doing to much HCG.

> > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

> > >good here

> > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

good.

> > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good

was up

> > >> over 2200.

> > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was

asked

> > >> for.

> > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> > >>

> > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did

a

> > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

tried it

> > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

> > >>

> > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

everyday.

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, I was asking the guy who said that his spoiled.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG everyday

>>Update.

>>

>>Phil,

>>

>>Very nice indeed, very nice blood results.

>>

>>Quite a few guys have had breathing problems on TRT including

>>bronchitis.

>>One source for that problem that i found was the testosterone

>>injectible itself.

>>Mine had a slight color change after many weeks so i tossed it and

>>opened up a new bottle and no breathing problem. It looks like given

>>the fact it takes us guys 20 weeks to get through a bottle of

>T that it

>>can go bad. I wipe the rubber down with alcohol before and after

>>drawing now just to be safe. If you have another unopened bottle, put

>>em side by side and see if the color is exact, has to be from

>the same

>>company. Now batch to batch there may be a color difference.

>What i saw

>>was a slight redness to mine.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>>research on the

>>> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was competing

>>> with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

>Indolplex/DIM he

>>> said other men were having the same problem

>>and I was

>>> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>>Arimidex every 3

>>> days.

>>>

>>> Here is how my tests came out.

>>> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it was

>>> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>>> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

>>> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my Dr.

>>> feels this is ok.

>>> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>>good here not

>>> doing to much HCG.

>>> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

>>good here

>>> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>>> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also good.

>>> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good was up

>>> over 2200.

>>> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was asked

>>> for.

>>> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>>>

>>> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did a

>>> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

>>> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We tried it

>>> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>>>

>>> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG everyday.

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Well for my old ass it is keeping my E2 down this was my only reasion for doing

it 3 times a week. After reading a post from on of Dr. Shippens men saying Dr.

Shippen is now doing shots that he was in his book down on. He said Dr. Shippen

found doing shots every 3 days leveled him out better and he has much less a E2

problem. I ran this past my Dr. and the first thing we tried was doing my HCG

everyday after 6 weeks we did a test and my E2 was staying down on less

Arimidex. So next we did the shots every 3 days after 6 weeks my E2 is now good

doing a .5 arimidex every 3 days I was taking 1 mg. everyday with Indloplex/DIM

one 120 mg table a day. Now I am doing great on .5 Arimidex every 3 days and

this may be to much.

So if you my age 62 over weight and all every 3 days works better.

Phil

sikdogg <sikdogg@...> wrote:

I don't see the value of doing injections every 3 days... twice a week

should suffice. This is how bodybuilders have been injection cyp/enan

for years to keep blood levels stable. The general rule has been to

inject when you've reach half of the half-life of a long ester.

I speculate that injecting every 3 days will show no real advantage

over a twice-a-week schedule. JMO...

> > >>

> > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> > >research on the

> > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

> > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

> > >and I was

> > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> > >Arimidex every 3

> > >> days.

> > >>

> > >> Here is how my tests came out.

> > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it

was

> > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

> > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

Dr.

> > >> feels this is ok.

> > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> > >good here not

> > >> doing to much HCG.

> > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

> > >good here

> > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

good.

> > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good

was up

> > >> over 2200.

> > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was

asked

> > >> for.

> > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> > >>

> > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did

a

> > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

tried it

> > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

> > >>

> > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

everyday.

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think that anybody on T Cyp shots that is having Estrogen problems

or is having to take meds to control Estrogen, should seriously

consider doing their shots every 3 days. There is a very strong

likelyhood that this would resolve their Estrogen problems as well as

allow their T to remain in the upper quartile of the range from shot

to shot. Getting estrogen balanced is quite a challenge to say the

least, and if one can have this happen naturally, it would be better.

The only down side is getting jabbed one more time per week, which is

far outweighed by the benefits.

> > > >>

> > > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> > > >research on the

> > > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> > > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no

more

> > > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

> > > >and I was

> > > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> > > >Arimidex every 3

> > > >> days.

> > > >>

> > > >> Here is how my tests came out.

> > > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking

it

> was

> > > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> > > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest

there

> > > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

> Dr.

> > > >> feels this is ok.

> > > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> > > >good here not

> > > >> doing to much HCG.

> > > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

> > > >good here

> > > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> > > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

> good.

> > > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good

> was up

> > > >> over 2200.

> > > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was

> asked

> > > >> for.

> > > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> > > >>

> > > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr.

did

> a

> > > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

> > > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

> tried it

> > > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

> > > >>

> > > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

> everyday.

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

So if one is taking 100mg (0.5cc) per week, how much should 1/3

dose be for 3 times a week. For those of you who are doing this,

which days are you doing it on and have you thought of just

injecting every other day?

WF

>

> I think that anybody on T Cyp shots that is having Estrogen

problems

> or is having to take meds to control Estrogen, should seriously

> consider doing their shots every 3 days. There is a very strong

> likelyhood that this would resolve their Estrogen problems as well

as

> allow their T to remain in the upper quartile of the range from

shot

> to shot. Getting estrogen balanced is quite a challenge to say the

> least, and if one can have this happen naturally, it would be

better.

> The only down side is getting jabbed one more time per week, which

is

> far outweighed by the benefits.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Divided your weekly dose by 7 then multiply by 3. So if your doing 100 mgs of T

per ml it would be 43 mgs every 3 days. If you use 200 mgs/ml like I do then it

would be 21.5 mgs every 3 days.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

So if one is taking 100mg (0.5cc) per week, how much should 1/3

dose be for 3 times a week. For those of you who are doing this,

which days are you doing it on and have you thought of just

injecting every other day?

WF

>

> I think that anybody on T Cyp shots that is having Estrogen

problems

> or is having to take meds to control Estrogen, should seriously

> consider doing their shots every 3 days. There is a very strong

> likelyhood that this would resolve their Estrogen problems as well

as

> allow their T to remain in the upper quartile of the range from

shot

> to shot. Getting estrogen balanced is quite a challenge to say the

> least, and if one can have this happen naturally, it would be

better.

> The only down side is getting jabbed one more time per week, which

is

> far outweighed by the benefits.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

43 mg would be or 0.215ml from 200mg/ml, is that what you meant

by " 21.5mgs " ?

What size syringe do you use?

WF

>

> Divided your weekly dose by 7 then multiply by 3. So if your doing

100 mgs of T per ml it would be 43 mgs every 3 days. If you use 200

mgs/ml like I do then it would be 21.5 mgs every 3 days.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

(100 / 7) x 3 = 42.85mg every 3 days, round up to 43mg. Doing IM

shots every 3 days is still okay, but every other day would become a

bit much. It would of course be possible if it were done SubQ, but I

have no experience with that as of yet.

> >

> > I think that anybody on T Cyp shots that is having Estrogen

> problems

> > or is having to take meds to control Estrogen, should seriously

> > consider doing their shots every 3 days. There is a very strong

> > likelyhood that this would resolve their Estrogen problems as

well

> as

> > allow their T to remain in the upper quartile of the range from

> shot

> > to shot. Getting estrogen balanced is quite a challenge to say

the

> > least, and if one can have this happen naturally, it would be

> better.

> > The only down side is getting jabbed one more time per week,

which

> is

> > far outweighed by the benefits.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes .22 would be right I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 lg needle.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

43 mg would be or 0.215ml from 200mg/ml, is that what you meant

by " 21.5mgs " ?

What size syringe do you use?

WF

>

> Divided your weekly dose by 7 then multiply by 3. So if your doing

100 mgs of T per ml it would be 43 mgs every 3 days. If you use 200

mgs/ml like I do then it would be 21.5 mgs every 3 days.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

I've thought about your argument over 2x/week rather than every three

days..and that would sure be convenient to remember - ie, shots on Mon and

Thurs each week. For me, every three days is convenient in respect to I

take Arimidex every three days, so it will be nice to time the Arimidex with

the shot each dose.

I suppose you could do some kind of math and figure out how to dose Arimidex

for 2x/week, or even daily, but at 0.5mg per 3 days, it's already a small

pill to cut up.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>I don't see the value of doing injections every 3 days...

>twice a week should suffice. This is how bodybuilders have

>been injection cyp/enan for years to keep blood levels stable.

>The general rule has been to inject when you've reach half of

>the half-life of a long ester.

>

>I speculate that injecting every 3 days will show no real

>advantage over a twice-a-week schedule. JMO...

>

>

>> > >>

>> > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>> > >research on the

>> > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

>> > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

>> > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

>> > >and I was

>> > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>> > >Arimidex every 3

>> > >> days.

>> > >>

>> > >> Here is how my tests came out.

>> > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it

>was

>> > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

>> > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

>Dr.

>> > >> feels this is ok.

>> > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>> > >good here not

>> > >> doing to much HCG.

>> > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

>> > >good here

>> > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

>good.

>> > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good

>was up

>> > >> over 2200.

>> > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was

>asked

>> > >> for.

>> > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>> > >>

>> > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did

>a

>> > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

>> > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

>tried it

>> > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>> > >>

>> > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

>everyday.

>> > >>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

That is how I do it shot and Arimidex.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I've thought about your argument over 2x/week rather than every three

days..and that would sure be convenient to remember - ie, shots on Mon and

Thurs each week. For me, every three days is convenient in respect to I

take Arimidex every three days, so it will be nice to time the Arimidex with

the shot each dose.

I suppose you could do some kind of math and figure out how to dose Arimidex

for 2x/week, or even daily, but at 0.5mg per 3 days, it's already a small

pill to cut up.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>I don't see the value of doing injections every 3 days...

>twice a week should suffice. This is how bodybuilders have

>been injection cyp/enan for years to keep blood levels stable.

>The general rule has been to inject when you've reach half of

>the half-life of a long ester.

>

>I speculate that injecting every 3 days will show no real

>advantage over a twice-a-week schedule. JMO...

>

>

>> > >>

>> > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>> > >research on the

>> > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

>> > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no more

>> > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

>> > >and I was

>> > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>> > >Arimidex every 3

>> > >> days.

>> > >>

>> > >> Here is how my tests came out.

>> > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking it

>was

>> > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest there

>> > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

>Dr.

>> > >> feels this is ok.

>> > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>> > >good here not

>> > >> doing to much HCG.

>> > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we are

>> > >good here

>> > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

>good.

>> > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam good

>was up

>> > >> over 2200.

>> > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it was

>asked

>> > >> for.

>> > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>> > >>

>> > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr. did

>a

>> > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an Anti-

>> > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

>tried it

>> > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much better.

>> > >>

>> > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

>everyday.

>> > >>

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

Doing injections twice a week means that you do one injection after 3

days and the second one after 4 days... I don't think that one extra

day is going to make that much difference. Anytime i can save a poke,

i'm all for it but to each his own... if you're happy with E3D, then

so be it.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> > > > >research on the

> > > > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

> > > > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no

> more

> > > > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

> > > > >and I was

> > > > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> > > > >Arimidex every 3

> > > > >> days.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Here is how my tests came out.

> > > > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking

> it

> > was

> > > > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> > > > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest

> there

> > > > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

> > Dr.

> > > > >> feels this is ok.

> > > > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> > > > >good here not

> > > > >> doing to much HCG.

> > > > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we

are

> > > > >good here

> > > > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> > > > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

> > good.

> > > > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam

good

> > was up

> > > > >> over 2200.

> > > > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it

was

> > asked

> > > > >> for.

> > > > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr.

> did

> > a

> > > > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an

Anti-

> > > > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

> > tried it

> > > > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much

better.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

> > everyday.

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I just started every 3 days this week, so can't comment my results yet. It

seems like for those of us with high estrogen problems that one day can make

a big difference, especially if you're timing your arimidex dose to coincide

with your shots.

We're all different in our response(s) to various meds, that's why this

isn't cut and dry stuff where one dose/schedule fits us all.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>Doing injections twice a week means that you do one injection

>after 3 days and the second one after 4 days... I don't think

>that one extra day is going to make that much difference.

>Anytime i can save a poke, i'm all for it but to each his

>own... if you're happy with E3D, then so be it.

>

>

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>> > > > >research on the

>> > > > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM was

>> > > > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no

>> more

>> > > > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same problem

>> > > > >and I was

>> > > > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>> > > > >Arimidex every 3

>> > > > >> days.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Here is how my tests came out.

>> > > > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills thinking

>> it

>> > was

>> > > > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> > > > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to Quest

>> there

>> > > > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So my

>> > Dr.

>> > > > >> feels this is ok.

>> > > > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>> > > > >good here not

>> > > > >> doing to much HCG.

>> > > > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we

>are

>> > > > >good here

>> > > > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> > > > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml also

>> > good.

>> > > > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam

>good

>> > was up

>> > > > >> over 2200.

>> > > > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it

>was

>> > asked

>> > > > >> for.

>> > > > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my Dr.

>> did

>> > a

>> > > > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an

>Anti-

>> > > > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days. We

>> > tried it

>> > > > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much

>better.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

>> > everyday.

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I hear ya... it just sounds like some people are quick to jump on

something new and tout it as the end-all-be-all. I understand that for

some, getting regular bloodwork is tough or expensive but i find it

hard to buy into anything based on someone's anecdotal testimony of how

he " felt " while trying something new... if something truely makes that

much of a difference, it should be measurable thru bloodwork. If

someone can post their bloodwork to prove that E3D is that much better

than twice a week or once a week, them i'll happily jump onboard. For

me, injects every Mon and Thurs is more than sufficient and i speculate

that it's more than enough for most.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

> >> > > > >research on the

> >> > > > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM

was

> >> > > > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no

> >> more

> >> > > > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same

problem

> >> > > > >and I was

> >> > > > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

> >> > > > >Arimidex every 3

> >> > > > >> days.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Here is how my tests came out.

> >> > > > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills

thinking

> >> it

> >> > was

> >> > > > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

> >> > > > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to

Quest

> >> there

> >> > > > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So

my

> >> > Dr.

> >> > > > >> feels this is ok.

> >> > > > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

> >> > > > >good here not

> >> > > > >> doing to much HCG.

> >> > > > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we

> >are

> >> > > > >good here

> >> > > > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

> >> > > > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml

also

> >> > good.

> >> > > > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam

> >good

> >> > was up

> >> > > > >> over 2200.

> >> > > > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it

> >was

> >> > asked

> >> > > > >> for.

> >> > > > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my

Dr.

> >> did

> >> > a

> >> > > > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an

> >Anti-

> >> > > > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days.

We

> >> > tried it

> >> > > > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much

> >better.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

> >> > everyday.

> >> > > > >>

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Skidogg,

Do you do Arimidex? How does it time in to your Mon, Thurs testosterone

schedule.

If I did twice weekly, I think I'd do Tues/Fri, to have the biggest bang for

the buck on the weekend.

> Re: Doing Shots every 3 days & HCG

>everyday Update.

>

>I hear ya... it just sounds like some people are quick to jump

>on something new and tout it as the end-all-be-all. I

>understand that for some, getting regular bloodwork is tough

>or expensive but i find it hard to buy into anything based on

>someone's anecdotal testimony of how he " felt " while trying

>something new... if something truely makes that much of a

>difference, it should be measurable thru bloodwork. If someone

>can post their bloodwork to prove that E3D is that much better

>than twice a week or once a week, them i'll happily jump

>onboard. For me, injects every Mon and Thurs is more than

>sufficient and i speculate that it's more than enough for most.

>

>

>> >> > > > >>

>> >> > > > >> Everything looks dam good. My Dr. told me he did some

>> >> > > > >research on the

>> >> > > > >> DIM problem that I had and he feels the Indolplex/DIM

>was

>> >> > > > >> competing with the HCG causing at binding problem. So no

>> >> more

>> >> > > > >> Indolplex/DIM he said other men were having the same

>problem

>> >> > > > >and I was

>> >> > > > >> the one to figure it out. So now I am to just do .5

>> >> > > > >Arimidex every 3

>> >> > > > >> days.

>> >> > > > >>

>> >> > > > >> Here is how my tests came out.

>> >> > > > >> DHEA-S is down from 329 to 146 I stopped the pills

>thinking

>> >> it

>> >> > was

>> >> > > > >> making my E2 go up so back on the pill 25 mgs a day.

>> >> > > > >> Estradiol at the Biotech was <20 so they sent it to

>Quest

>> >> there

>> >> > > > >> Ultra-Sensitive came back at 15 pg/ml range 10 to 50. So

>my

>> >> > Dr.

>> >> > > > >> feels this is ok.

>> >> > > > >> Progesterone 0.73 range 0.27 to 0.90 ng/ml so we are dam

>> >> > > > >good here not

>> >> > > > >> doing to much HCG.

>> >> > > > >> Total T up from 782 to 891 range 262 to 1593 ng/dl so we

>> >are

>> >> > > > >good here

>> >> > > > >> also. I am in the upper 1/3 of the range.

>> >> > > > >> Free T up from 21.7 to 34.3 high range 8.8 to 27 pg/ml

>also

>> >> > good.

>> >> > > > >> DHT up from 80 to 94 high range 25 to 75 ng/ml also dam

>> >good

>> >> > was up

>> >> > > > >> over 2200.

>> >> > > > >> For some reasion they did not do my Total E and IGF-1 it

>> >was

>> >> > asked

>> >> > > > >> for.

>> >> > > > >> My SHBG is 22 good range 7 to 50 nmol/l.

>> >> > > > >>

>> >> > > > >> Because I have had Bronchitis for the last 3 months my

>Dr.

>> >> did

>> >> > a

>> >> > > > >> breathing test and it was not good. So he has me on an

>> >Anti-

>> >> > > > >> Inflammatory med called Spiriva HandiHaler for 12 days.

>We

>> >> > tried it

>> >> > > > >> in his office and 10 min.'s late I was breathing much

>> >better.

>> >> > > > >>

>> >> > > > >> So I am to stay on my T shots every 3 days and the HCG

>> >> > everyday.

>> >> > > > >>

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > >