Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hey Steve - It was originally developed to fight breast cancer in women by reducing estradiol. A side benefit was that it can do the same in men. When we are on TRT, most of us have to have relatively high levels of T to get the benefits we want - erections, mood, pain relief, desire...... What comes with this level of T is conversion of T to E2 which is your bodies way to reduce the elevated level. E2 (estradiol - one of the molecules know as estrogen) can reverse the benefits of high T such as loss of libido, ED..... Arimidex is used in low dosages to prevent the conversion to E2 by inhibiting the enzyme (aromatase) that is responsible for the conversion. You inhibit aromatase and you inhibit the conversion. You should be warned that it is easy to go too far and reduce your E2 too much. This is not good either. Most like to keep it (10-30) which is a hard thing to manage but is doable. Arkansas steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 What is it " normally " used for ? What else is it prescribed for ? Does it reduce risks of gynocomastia ? philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Any association with nipple or breast tenderness ? Any negative side effects ? Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Hey Steve - It was originally developed to fight breast cancer in women by reducing estradiol. A side benefit was that it can do the same in men. When we are on TRT, most of us have to have relatively high levels of T to get the benefits we want - erections, mood, pain relief, desire...... What comes with this level of T is conversion of T to E2 which is your bodies way to reduce the elevated level. E2 (estradiol - one of the molecules know as estrogen) can reverse the benefits of high T such as loss of libido, ED..... Arimidex is used in low dosages to prevent the conversion to E2 by inhibiting the enzyme (aromatase) that is responsible for the conversion. You inhibit aromatase and you inhibit the conversion. You should be warned that it is easy to go too far and reduce your E2 too much. This is not good either. Most like to keep it (10-30) which is a hard thing to manage but is doable. Arkansas steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 > > What is it " normally " used for ? Arimidex, Femara, and Aromasin are drugs used to reduce estradiol in women who have breast cancer. What else is it prescribed for ? Some men use small doses to reduce their estradiol. Does it reduce risks of gynocomastia ? > Yes, it may. But it is unlikely to reverse existing gyno Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 This is a relatively new drug so long term issues may not be completely know at this time. Nipple issues are typically associated with elevated E2 or prolactin. Arkansas steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Any association with nipple or breast tenderness ? Any negative side effects ? Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Hey Steve - It was originally developed to fight breast cancer in women by reducing estradiol. A side benefit was that it can do the same in men. When we are on TRT, most of us have to have relatively high levels of T to get the benefits we want - erections, mood, pain relief, desire...... What comes with this level of T is conversion of T to E2 which is your bodies way to reduce the elevated level. E2 (estradiol - one of the molecules know as estrogen) can reverse the benefits of high T such as loss of libido, ED..... Arimidex is used in low dosages to prevent the conversion to E2 by inhibiting the enzyme (aromatase) that is responsible for the conversion. You inhibit aromatase and you inhibit the conversion. You should be warned that it is easy to go too far and reduce your E2 too much. This is not good either. Most like to keep it (10-30) which is a hard thing to manage but is doable. Arkansas steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I take 1/2 pill every three days. Just curious what the symptoms of too low E2 are, other than dead sex life. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of philip georgian Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Armidex Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@ <mailto:jonfleetmac%40> > wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Phil, I am doing a 0.5ml of 200mg/ml = 100 mg per week. I sure feel hot and fort of blurry really quickly within a few hours. Is this the brain fog you are speaking of? How long will the high E2 hang in for? Also, Phil you say that you are cutting the little Arimidex pills in four. What is this dosage in mg/day etc? My doc is very new to this and will need a reference. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Feeling down like your comming down with something ED you can't get it up even if you took a Viagra and brain fog. Phil Dave <groups@...> wrote: I take 1/2 pill every three days. Just curious what the symptoms of too low E2 are, other than dead sex life. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of philip georgian Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Armidex Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@ <mailto:jonfleetmac%40> > wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 What is a healthy range ? What is normal level for a man ? Will most endocrinologist recognize this as a legitimate request ? What level is too high / too low ? Do lab results show a normal range for men ? Estradiol. Dave <groups@...> wrote: I take 1/2 pill every three days. Just curious what the symptoms of too low E2 are, other than dead sex life. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of philip georgian Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Armidex Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@ <mailto:jonfleetmac%40> > wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 How much T are you taking ? What are your T levels running ? What about E levels ? Is there any correlation ? If you get E down, can your T go up ? Does E inhibit T like prolactin ? louislarocque@... wrote: Phil, I am doing a 0.5ml of 200mg/ml = 100 mg per week. I sure feel hot and fort of blurry really quickly within a few hours. Is this the brain fog you are speaking of? How long will the high E2 hang in for? Also, Phil you say that you are cutting the little Arimidex pills in four. What is this dosage in mg/day etc? My doc is very new to this and will need a reference. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The best range for men of any age is 10 to 30 pg/ml best at 20 you need a test like this one. http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sr012000.htm Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: What is a healthy range ? What is normal level for a man ? Will most endocrinologist recognize this as a legitimate request ? What level is too high / too low ? Do lab results show a normal range for men ? Estradiol. Dave <groups@...> wrote: I take 1/2 pill every three days. Just curious what the symptoms of too low E2 are, other than dead sex life. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of philip georgian Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Armidex Arimdex is ued to lower Estradiol men on TRT get a lot of there T converted into Estradiol. High Estradiol will kill your sex life and make your feel dam bad. The pill comes in 1mg. dose you need to cut the pills into 1/4's and take that 1/4 every 3 to 5 days some take it once a week. Yes insurance pays for it. Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@ <mailto:jonfleetmac%40> > wrote: Please describe treatment with armidex -- what is it ? Why is it needed ? What does it do ? Will insurance cover it ? How do you know if you need it, etc. ? Thank you. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Hi Louis what your feeling after you shot is the surge of T about an hr. after your shot. I do my shots every 3 days to get past this. What happens is your levels spike why up here is a link that has charts on the different types of TRT in this they show what happens to DHT, Testosterone and Estradiol after a 200mg shot not what your doing but you will get the Idea. http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6413 & d=1139879356 In the chart we see T and Estradiol going way up right after the shot Estradiol is made from T in men so it goes up and down fast. Arimidex comes 1mg. we cut the pills with a pill cutter the use a razor to cut into 1/4's. My doing my shots every 3 days helps keep the spike down and my T levels are more stable this keeps my Estradiol down and I don't need to take as much arimidex. I got this Idea from Dr. Shippen one of his men posted that he now does shots every 3 days. Dr. Shippen wrote the book " The Testosterone Syndrome " get this and read it. Phil louislarocque@... wrote: Phil, I am doing a 0.5ml of 200mg/ml = 100 mg per week. I sure feel hot and fort of blurry really quickly within a few hours. Is this the brain fog you are speaking of? How long will the high E2 hang in for? Also, Phil you say that you are cutting the little Arimidex pills in four. What is this dosage in mg/day etc? My doc is very new to this and will need a reference. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Phil, I feel really not that good within an hour or two after the shot. My world gets foggy and sweat alot. This can last for a day or two but is real strong for the first 6 hours or so. It is very bothersome. I get the feeling that my responce is worse than others. Yes, I believe that I need to get that book as a reference. Does it explain the dynamics between SHBG and others? Last night when I was trying to sleep it suddenly dawned on my that maybe this SHBG is a player in the `spike feeling`I get. I have another question around SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). Tests showed mine to be outside of the lower end of the scale. Does anyone know the symptoms of this one. I have read that this could be a result of a liver issue, low zinc. Could this ``low SHBG`` be making this `spike feeling`worse? This stuff binds with the T but if I do not have much maybe my E2 spikes are even worse, because of the large amount of free T that gets converted to E2 in a very short time because no SHGB is there to grab it. My tests were taken after a 14 day period on the day of the injection. I will be talking to my doc on SHBG on this one and its play in the injection game. Frequent shots are another consideration I guess along with E2 control of which I think I better get a handle on. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I do shots of 50mgs. Depo T every 3 days and the 2 days in between I do HCG 400 IU's my Total T is 995 but my labs range is 262 to 1593 so I am up into the upper 1/3 of the range. My Estradiol is 19 pg/ml and yes high Estradiol will take up the place of your T in the cells keeping Total and Free T down some if your on TRT. If your not on TRT and have high Estradiol levels your brain sees this as Testosterone and stops sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis to make T. So this is why I say get Estradiol tested before going on TRT. Getting Estradiol down can bring up T levels some 200 to 300 points. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: How much T are you taking ? What are your T levels running ? What about E levels ? Is there any correlation ? If you get E down, can your T go up ? Does E inhibit T like prolactin ? louislarocque@... wrote: Phil, I am doing a 0.5ml of 200mg/ml = 100 mg per week. I sure feel hot and fort of blurry really quickly within a few hours. Is this the brain fog you are speaking of? How long will the high E2 hang in for? Also, Phil you say that you are cutting the little Arimidex pills in four. What is this dosage in mg/day etc? My doc is very new to this and will need a reference. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Louis, The first few times I had shots, I felt panic symptoms for about 2-3 hours after the shot. It has gone away in subsequent shots and I am not sure if it was related, but now after reading your post, it must have been, as your symptoms are similar. I would imagine low SBGH is good, as it allows more T to flow. However, perhaps you are getting a spike immediately after the shot?? Not sure the chance of that, given the suspension. Blessings, Bill > > Phil, > > I feel really not that good within an hour or two after the shot. My world > gets foggy and sweat alot. This can last for a day or two but is real strong > for the first 6 hours or so. It is very bothersome. I get the feeling that my > responce is worse than others. > > Yes, I believe that I need to get that book as a reference. Does it explain > the dynamics between SHBG and others? Last night when I was trying to sleep > it suddenly dawned on my that maybe this SHBG is a player in the `spike > feeling`I get. > > I have another question around SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). Tests > showed mine to be outside of the lower end of the scale. Does anyone know the > symptoms of this one. I have read that this could be a result of a liver issue, > low zinc. Could this ``low SHBG`` be making this `spike feeling`worse? This > stuff binds with the T but if I do not have much maybe my E2 spikes are even > worse, because of the large amount of free T that gets converted to E2 in a > very short time because no SHGB is there to grab it. > > My tests were taken after a 14 day period on the day of the injection. > > I will be talking to my doc on SHBG on this one and its play in the > injection game. > > Frequent shots are another consideration I guess along with E2 control of > which I think I better get a handle on. > > Louis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I do shots 80-90 mgs every 7 days and 0.25 mg of arimidex every 7 days. I usually skip one week on the arimidex every month. I take 5 mg of cialis 2 times a week for better erections. This regiment puts my T spike at about 1250 and the low about 600-800. My E2 is ~ 20. Arkansas philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I do shots of 50mgs. Depo T every 3 days and the 2 days in between I do HCG 400 IU's my Total T is 995 but my labs range is 262 to 1593 so I am up into the upper 1/3 of the range. My Estradiol is 19 pg/ml and yes high Estradiol will take up the place of your T in the cells keeping Total and Free T down some if your on TRT. If your not on TRT and have high Estradiol levels your brain sees this as Testosterone and stops sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis to make T. So this is why I say get Estradiol tested before going on TRT. Getting Estradiol down can bring up T levels some 200 to 300 points. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm Phil steve jones <jonfleetmac@...> wrote: How much T are you taking ? What are your T levels running ? What about E levels ? Is there any correlation ? If you get E down, can your T go up ? Does E inhibit T like prolactin ? louislarocque@... wrote: Phil, I am doing a 0.5ml of 200mg/ml = 100 mg per week. I sure feel hot and fort of blurry really quickly within a few hours. Is this the brain fog you are speaking of? How long will the high E2 hang in for? Also, Phil you say that you are cutting the little Arimidex pills in four. What is this dosage in mg/day etc? My doc is very new to this and will need a reference. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Louis, If your doing a big 200mg shot every 2 weeks and then testing the day of you next shot everything is going to look low. Best to get on shots every week start at 100mgs. The foggy and sweat is your Estradiol spicking why up as the T goes into the blood you body goes nuts trying to balance this out and most of the T will get converted into Estradiol. Try this OTC Indolplex/DIM. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you don't take Zink/Copper get some we men on TRT need it and it helps keep Estradiol down. Start with 2 pills one in the morning and one at noon for 30 days then only do one a day. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html If you try the Indolplex/DIM let me know I can help you on taking it so you don't go to low. Phil louislarocque@... wrote: Phil, I feel really not that good within an hour or two after the shot. My world gets foggy and sweat alot. This can last for a day or two but is real strong for the first 6 hours or so. It is very bothersome. I get the feeling that my responce is worse than others. Yes, I believe that I need to get that book as a reference. Does it explain the dynamics between SHBG and others? Last night when I was trying to sleep it suddenly dawned on my that maybe this SHBG is a player in the `spike feeling`I get. I have another question around SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). Tests showed mine to be outside of the lower end of the scale. Does anyone know the symptoms of this one. I have read that this could be a result of a liver issue, low zinc. Could this ``low SHBG`` be making this `spike feeling`worse? This stuff binds with the T but if I do not have much maybe my E2 spikes are even worse, because of the large amount of free T that gets converted to E2 in a very short time because no SHGB is there to grab it. My tests were taken after a 14 day period on the day of the injection. I will be talking to my doc on SHBG on this one and its play in the injection game. Frequent shots are another consideration I guess along with E2 control of which I think I better get a handle on. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Arkansas, Do you have any symptoms that tell you that you are too low on E2? How do you feel after the one week off of the Arimidex? I am very curious because I have just started the 0.25 mg of Arimidex a day! Good progress! I have heard that people come off of it when they do not get good erections in the morning. I have had my first pill tonigh and am wondering when I will feel it. I am pretty pumped about it, must be the placebo effect. Anyone else who has some experience please ring in, I would greatly appreciate it. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Louis When you start on Arimidex most have low libido and bad ED so bad that taking Viagra does not help. When you start taking this at that dose your E2 will state comming down but slow you don't want to come down fast. When your E2 is good I call it the Zone you will get very hard morning wood. I am 63 I have not had wood in over 35 yrs. Roy how post here is in his 80's we all got wood when E2 came down. I use the wood as a gauge to not go to low this is just as bad as to high. So when wood stops in the morning I check it to see if I can get it up. If not I stop the Arimidex until wood comes back this means I went to low. The day the wood comes back I go back on the Arimidex but less so if your doing .25mg every 3 days go to .25mgs. 2 x's a week and so on. Phil louislarocque@... wrote: Arkansas, Do you have any symptoms that tell you that you are too low on E2? How do you feel after the one week off of the Arimidex? I am very curious because I have just started the 0.25 mg of Arimidex a day! Good progress! I have heard that people come off of it when they do not get good erections in the morning. I have had my first pill tonigh and am wondering when I will feel it. I am pretty pumped about it, must be the placebo effect. Anyone else who has some experience please ring in, I would greatly appreciate it. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 This is the hard part. It is a very subtle change for me. I slowly start to feel like I have low T like no libido and no erections. I really can't say I notice a difference when I skip the one week. I only know that when I took it every week my E2 went below the minimum detectable on the test. Arkansas louislarocque@... wrote: Arkansas, Do you have any symptoms that tell you that you are too low on E2? How do you feel after the one week off of the Arimidex? I am very curious because I have just started the 0.25 mg of Arimidex a day! Good progress! I have heard that people come off of it when they do not get good erections in the morning. I have had my first pill tonigh and am wondering when I will feel it. I am pretty pumped about it, must be the placebo effect. Anyone else who has some experience please ring in, I would greatly appreciate it. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Very interesting Phil. I am coming up on one week of experience with Arimidex. Overall I have had a very good 5 days with noticeable humour improvements. A very nice change. My body is rock hard too. Yesterday I was hornier than a `three peckered billy-goat`. That was the first time in a long time. I had a case of the burning loins!!! I also had a shot of 100mg of Test enanthate. The rush and sweating was alot less than previous doses. I am trying to feel-out when I should slow down the Arimidex. I have heard that some take a full 1mg pill on the day of the injection. I wonder if this lowers the fuzzy feeling that I get and whether this is a beneficial. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 If your my age 63 and weight is over 250 then I would say do a .5mgs the day of your shot. But doing Arimidex on the day of the shot does help here is how I do it if I am going a shot on Monday morning I take the Arimidex the night before in your case start at .25 and see how it goes. I happy things are getting better it all takes time. Phil louislarocque@... wrote: Very interesting Phil. I am coming up on one week of experience with Arimidex. Overall I have had a very good 5 days with noticeable humour improvements. A very nice change. My body is rock hard too. Yesterday I was hornier than a `three peckered billy-goat`. That was the first time in a long time. I had a case of the burning loins!!! I also had a shot of 100mg of Test enanthate. The rush and sweating was alot less than previous doses. I am trying to feel-out when I should slow down the Arimidex. I have heard that some take a full 1mg pill on the day of the injection. I wonder if this lowers the fuzzy feeling that I get and whether this is a beneficial. Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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