Re: What day of the week to take your Test Cyp shots

[Guest guest]

Wow!!! Dave. I wouldn't change a thing!!!! LOL

Good Luck.

>

> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

followed

> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

the

> pharmacy.

>

> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

buck

> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

give

> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>

> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

workouts

> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

issue.

>

> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

sexually

> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>

> Am I overthinking this?

>

> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

along

> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave -

just curious - what is the cortisol control about?

Drake

>

> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

followed

> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

the

> pharmacy.

>

> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

buck

> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

give

> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>

> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

workouts

> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

issue.

>

> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

sexually

> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>

> Am I overthinking this?

>

> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

along

> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>

[Guest guest]

The day you get your T. Mine came on Wednsday afternoon, so shot day

for me is Wednsday. That works out very well. Because by the time

the weekend comes around, T levels are good. I feel even better on

Monday morning. In time T levels should be stable, anything is

better than getting shot only once every other week. Or once a month.

>

> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

followed

> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

the

> pharmacy.

>

> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

buck

> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

give

> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>

> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

workouts

> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

>

> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

sexually

> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>

> Am I overthinking this?

>

> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>

[Guest guest]

My lab urines showed high levels of " cortisol " , the stress hormone. I'm

a bit of a body builder as a hobby (no where near a competition ready

body :-( ) and the real body builders always talk about cortisol and how

it is released after hard workouts or stress to reduce swelling and

stuff like that. Dr. told me to start taking an OTC supplement to

try to lower my levels, which were out of range.

> Re: What day of the week to take your

>Test Cyp shots

>

>

>Hi Dave -

>

>just curious - what is the cortisol control about?

>

>

>Drake

>

>

>

>>

>> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

>followed

>> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

>the

>> pharmacy.

>>

>> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

>buck

>> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

>give

>> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>>

>> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

>workouts

>> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

>issue.

>>

>> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

>sexually

>> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>>

>> Am I overthinking this?

>>

>> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

>along

>> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got it Thursday (yesterday) and being impatient to switch,

rationalized that

Thursday should be my injection day anyways, so went ahead and did it -

I'll be thigh injecting.

My logic - Wednesday is leg day at the gym, so my legs are already sore

from the gym, and I won't notice the injection pain anyways. Can't do

it Wednesday, I don't want a sore sight messing up leg day, and by doing

it Thursday, T-Levels will hopefully peak Friday for my hardest workout

(shoulder and triceps) and for the weekend's sexualy activities.

If the levels are pretty stable on weekly injections, I guess it's what

Dr. Mirkin (www.drmirkin.com) calls " mental masturbation " to worry about

this stuff. But I'm so anal about this sort of thing, I can't help but

try to overthink it.

If 50mg twice per week provided better stable levels, I **think** I

wouldn't mind self-injecting that often. Too bad it can't go subq...I

was doing that daily when trying HGH therapy.

> Re: What day of the week to take your

>Test Cyp shots

>

>

>The day you get your T. Mine came on Wednsday afternoon, so shot day

>for me is Wednsday. That works out very well. Because by the time

>the weekend comes around, T levels are good. I feel even better on

>Monday morning. In time T levels should be stable, anything is

>better than getting shot only once every other week. Or once a month.

>

>>

>> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

>followed

>> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

>the

>> pharmacy.

>>

>> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

>buck

>> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

>give

>> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>>

>> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

>workouts

>> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

>>

>> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

>sexually

>> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>>

>> Am I overthinking this?

>>

>> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

>> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey I just wanted to give you a little advice about injecting IM. When you

are ready to insert

the needle do it in a slow even motion all the way to the hub. If you jab it in

yeah it's gonna

hurt then and for at least two days after. If you go slow you should not

experience any pain at

all then or after. I know that the train of thought is faster = less pain but it

is not the case,

try it and let me know what you think.

Savario

__________________________________

FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

http://farechase.

[Guest guest]

Dave do the shot on Tue and then on Sun. and Mon. do the 250 IU's of HCG. Doing

this will keep you from feeling down before your next shot of T.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose), followed

by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from the

pharmacy.

I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the buck

out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will give

(if any). I've been on Androgel.

By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym workouts

and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most sexually

active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

Am I overthinking this?

Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

[Guest guest]

You can shot subq a lot of guys here do it that way and Dr. Shippen has his me

doing it subq.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I got it Thursday (yesterday) and being impatient to switch,

rationalized that

Thursday should be my injection day anyways, so went ahead and did it -

I'll be thigh injecting.

My logic - Wednesday is leg day at the gym, so my legs are already sore

from the gym, and I won't notice the injection pain anyways. Can't do

it Wednesday, I don't want a sore sight messing up leg day, and by doing

it Thursday, T-Levels will hopefully peak Friday for my hardest workout

(shoulder and triceps) and for the weekend's sexualy activities.

If the levels are pretty stable on weekly injections, I guess it's what

Dr. Mirkin (www.drmirkin.com) calls " mental masturbation " to worry about

this stuff. But I'm so anal about this sort of thing, I can't help but

try to overthink it.

If 50mg twice per week provided better stable levels, I **think** I

wouldn't mind self-injecting that often. Too bad it can't go subq...I

was doing that daily when trying HGH therapy.

> Re: What day of the week to take your

>Test Cyp shots

>

>

>The day you get your T. Mine came on Wednsday afternoon, so shot day

>for me is Wednsday. That works out very well. Because by the time

>the weekend comes around, T levels are good. I feel even better on

>Monday morning. In time T levels should be stable, anything is

>better than getting shot only once every other week. Or once a month.

>

>>

>> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

>followed

>> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

>the

>> pharmacy.

>>

>> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

>buck

>> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

>give

>> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>>

>> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

>workouts

>> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

>>

>> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

>sexually

>> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>>

>> Am I overthinking this?

>>

>> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

>> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're shooting cypionate subq? That's got to be a lot less painful

than this lump in my thigh from the im I gave myself yesterday.

> Re: What day of the week to take your

>>Test Cyp shots

>>

>>

>>The day you get your T. Mine came on Wednsday afternoon, so shot day

>>for me is Wednsday. That works out very well. Because by the time

>>the weekend comes around, T levels are good. I feel even better on

>>Monday morning. In time T levels should be stable, anything is

>>better than getting shot only once every other week. Or once a month.

>>

>>>

>>> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

>>followed

>>> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

>>the

>>> pharmacy.

>>>

>>> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

>>buck

>>> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

>>give

>>> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>>>

>>> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

>>workouts

>>> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

>>>

>>> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

>>sexually

>>> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>>>

>>> Am I overthinking this?

>>>

>>> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

>>> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I don't do subq I get my shot at the Dr.'s office in the butt. If I can't get

to the office I do my shot in the thigh. I am doing Depo T it is 200mg's per

ml. so it is not a big shot for me .75 ml's. I don't get a lump and I am not

sore. I use a 27g 1 " lg. needle. I feel the shot better in the butt (gluteus

maximus) then in the thigh. Why I don't know. Having the Dr.'s office do the

shot cost me $1.49 so I go there most of the time. I do the HCG shots at home.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

You're shooting cypionate subq? That's got to be a lot less painful

than this lump in my thigh from the im I gave myself yesterday.

> Re: What day of the week to take your

>>Test Cyp shots

>>

>>

>>The day you get your T. Mine came on Wednsday afternoon, so shot day

>>for me is Wednsday. That works out very well. Because by the time

>>the weekend comes around, T levels are good. I feel even better on

>>Monday morning. In time T levels should be stable, anything is

>>better than getting shot only once every other week. Or once a month.

>>

>>>

>>> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

>>followed

>>> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription from

>>the

>>> pharmacy.

>>>

>>> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for the

>>buck

>>> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

>>give

>>> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

>>>

>>> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

>>workouts

>>> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an issue.

>>>

>>> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

>>sexually

>>> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

>>>

>>> Am I overthinking this?

>>>

>>> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix, along

>>> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol control).

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Phil -

I thought you were injecting IM. How often are you injecting subQ?

Also, I thought Dr. Crisler was your doc.

Drake

> >>

> >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> >followed

> >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

from

> >the

> >> pharmacy.

> >>

> >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

the

> >buck

> >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

> >give

> >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> >>

> >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> >workouts

> >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

issue.

> >>

> >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> >sexually

> >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

> >>

> >> Am I overthinking this?

> >>

> >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

along

> >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

control).

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't do subq but know a lot of men that were here doing subq. And there tests

were good.

Phil

veganman23 <veganman23@...> wrote:

Phil -

I thought you were injecting IM. How often are you injecting subQ?

Also, I thought Dr. Crisler was your doc.

Drake

> >>

> >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> >followed

> >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

from

> >the

> >> pharmacy.

> >>

> >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

the

> >buck

> >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

> >give

> >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> >>

> >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> >workouts

> >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

issue.

> >>

> >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> >sexually

> >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

> >>

> >> Am I overthinking this?

> >>

> >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

along

> >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

control).

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am thinking shooting subQ would mean multiple times per week, if

not daily. Wouldn't this be similar to sublingual tabs?

Drake

> > >>

> > >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> > >followed

> > >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

> from

> > >the

> > >> pharmacy.

> > >>

> > >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

> the

> > >buck

> > >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol

will

> > >give

> > >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> > >>

> > >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> > >workouts

> > >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

> issue.

> > >>

> > >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> > >sexually

> > >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't

ask.)

> > >>

> > >> Am I overthinking this?

> > >>

> > >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

> along

> > >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

> control).

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> I am thinking shooting subQ would mean multiple times per week, if

> not daily. Wouldn't this be similar to sublingual tabs?

>

> Drake

>

No, the injectible is esterified. Sublinguals are not. I very

seriously doubt that daily injections would be necessary.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Yes try doing .35 ml every 3 days this is what Dr. Shippen has his men do now.

He says it has less of a converson into E2 also.

Phil

veganman23 <veganman23@...> wrote:

I am thinking shooting subQ would mean multiple times per week, if

not daily. Wouldn't this be similar to sublingual tabs?

Drake

> > >>

> > >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> > >followed

> > >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

> from

> > >the

> > >> pharmacy.

> > >>

> > >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

> the

> > >buck

> > >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol

will

> > >give

> > >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> > >>

> > >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> > >workouts

> > >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

> issue.

> > >>

> > >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> > >sexually

> > >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't

ask.)

> > >>

> > >> Am I overthinking this?

> > >>

> > >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

> along

> > >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

> control).

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi guys...

It seems to me that we get more guys talking about doing Test Cyp subq

than are actually doing it!

Personally, I'd like to see some more definitive answers than what

someone heard or " supposedly " ....

Could we get an actual " head count " of those males who are actually

doing subq Test shots (rather than doing it via IM)? And these should

be responses from guys actually doing it... not from someone who heard

that someone had posted something about maybe doing it...

And then posting their protocol (how much, how many times weekly,

etc.) and their results (T levels, E2 levels, DHT levels, etc.) would

simply be icing on the cake.

And maybe this would eliminate a lot of the rumors of there being

" lots of guys " on this Board or someother Board or whatever who are

doing their Test subq....

Thanks!

Larry

> > >>

> > >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> > >followed

> > >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

> from

> > >the

> > >> pharmacy.

> > >>

> > >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

> the

> > >buck

> > >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

> > >give

> > >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> > >>

> > >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> > >workouts

> > >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

> issue.

> > >>

> > >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> > >sexually

> > >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

> > >>

> > >> Am I overthinking this?

> > >>

> > >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

> along

> > >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

> control).

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two weeks injected

by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in. syringe. I draw in

50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by pulling up and

down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid of air

pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the endo nurse

who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick straight

jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain free. No

test results to report.

Re: What day of the week to take your Test Cyp

shots

Hi guys...

It seems to me that we get more guys talking about doing Test Cyp subq

than are actually doing it!

Personally, I'd like to see some more definitive answers than what

someone heard or " supposedly " ....

Could we get an actual " head count " of those males who are actually

doing subq Test shots (rather than doing it via IM)? And these should

be responses from guys actually doing it... not from someone who heard

that someone had posted something about maybe doing it...

And then posting their protocol (how much, how many times weekly,

etc.) and their results (T levels, E2 levels, DHT levels, etc.) would

simply be icing on the cake.

And maybe this would eliminate a lot of the rumors of there being

" lots of guys " on this Board or someother Board or whatever who are

doing their Test subq....

Thanks!

Larry

> > >>

> > >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> > >followed

> > >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

> from

> > >the

> > >> pharmacy.

> > >>

> > >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

> the

> > >buck

> > >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

> > >give

> > >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> > >>

> > >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> > >workouts

> > >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

> issue.

> > >>

> > >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> > >sexually

> > >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

> > >>

> > >> Am I overthinking this?

> > >>

> > >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

> along

> > >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

> control).

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I would instead have put him on daily small dose HCG (subQ), or every other

day, and a daily transdermal T gel. Such a regimen would serve him much

better, as it has worked very well in several teen patients I have treated

thus far.

Besides, the two-week dowsing puts both his body, and his mind, on a

hormonal roller coaster.

It falls back on the simple truth that very few Endo's have any real

understanding of TRT. ESPECIALLY with respect to the special conditions in

the developing pubescent male.

Regards,

Dr. Crisler, DO

The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal

and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by

state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended

recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended

recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in

error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this

message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in

error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We

would certainly do the same for you.

Re: What day of the week to take your Test Cyp

shots

Hi guys...

It seems to me that we get more guys talking about doing Test Cyp subq

than are actually doing it!

Personally, I'd like to see some more definitive answers than what

someone heard or " supposedly " ....

Could we get an actual " head count " of those males who are actually

doing subq Test shots (rather than doing it via IM)? And these should

be responses from guys actually doing it... not from someone who heard

that someone had posted something about maybe doing it...

And then posting their protocol (how much, how many times weekly,

etc.) and their results (T levels, E2 levels, DHT levels, etc.) would

simply be icing on the cake.

And maybe this would eliminate a lot of the rumors of there being

" lots of guys " on this Board or someother Board or whatever who are

doing their Test subq....

Thanks!

Larry

> > >>

> > >> Hi everyone. I'm starting Test Cyp shots (200mg initial dose),

> > >followed

> > >> by 100mg weekly as soon as the USPS delivers the prescription

> from

> > >the

> > >> pharmacy.

> > >>

> > >> I'm wondering what day of the week I'll get the most bang for

> the

> > >buck

> > >> out of the little bit of hi/low cycle an injection protocol will

> > >give

> > >> (if any). I've been on Androgel.

> > >>

> > >> By bang for the buck, I mean in terms of not impacting my gym

> > >workouts

> > >> and sex life...or is weekly dosing stable enough to not be an

> issue.

> > >>

> > >> I hit the weight room Tues, Weds, Fri, Sun. Am usually most

> > >sexually

> > >> active Mon, Thurs, Friday nights, Sunday mornings. (Don't ask.)

> > >>

> > >> Am I overthinking this?

> > >>

> > >> Also, I'll be continuing 250iu HCG every third day in the mix,

> along

> > >> with Indolplex/DIM, TMG and Phosphadetsterine (cortisol

> control).

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:17:59 -0500, you wrote:

>My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two weeks injected

>by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in. syringe. I draw in

>50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by pulling up and

>down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid of air

>pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the endo nurse

>who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick straight

>jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain free. No

>test results to report.

That seems a very very low dose of T especially as at 14 you are

seeking to emulate puberty I should think, where levels are even

higher than normal.

Is this prescription by a GP or an endo? I suspect a GP who thinks

he's supplementing T production. That doesn't happen. When you start

taking shots your natural production stops because of hormonal

feedback mechanisms. I would think a teen would be getting about 150mg

every week. 6 times as much.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

A low dose like that will not stop the body from making T. But would slow it

down.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:17:59 -0500, you wrote:

>My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two weeks injected

>by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in. syringe. I draw in

>50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by pulling up and

>down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid of air

>pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the endo nurse

>who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick straight

>jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain free. No

>test results to report.

That seems a very very low dose of T especially as at 14 you are

seeking to emulate puberty I should think, where levels are even

higher than normal.

Is this prescription by a GP or an endo? I suspect a GP who thinks

he's supplementing T production. That doesn't happen. When you start

taking shots your natural production stops because of hormonal

feedback mechanisms. I would think a teen would be getting about 150mg

every week. 6 times as much.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:13:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>A low dose like that will not stop the body from making T. But would slow it

down.

>Phil

Based on what?

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Dear " jmsems " ,

That is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!

Giving a 14-year-old boy such a dangerous drug as testosterone

cyprionate! Did he even give his independently informed consent to

it? (Bearing in mind that medical doctors like prescribing

unnecessary drugs like testosterone, because they are " in the

pockets " of the big drug companies that make the vile stuff, and

get " kickbacks " for such unnecessary prescribing from the drug

makers, so medical doctors who prescribe it are not a reliable source

of balanced independent information).

That sort of thing ranks as " child abuse " ! Testosterone - which is

not even necessary for human survival or well-being - can stunt his

growth, as well as causing hirsutism, excessive growth and

ossification of the larynx and cartilages, baldness, and, worse

still, hardening of the arteries with its attendant risks of strokes

and heart attacks. Its medical use should be banned, especially on

someone that young. In today's modern industrial society, male

secondary sexual characteristics are not even necessary. Take him off

the stuff immediately, for his own good! He may have legal recourse

against you in the future, especially if you imposed any sort of

pressure upon him to take the injections, or gave him false or

incomplete or misleading information.

(Jean) J. Montréal johnjmontreal@...

--- In , " jmsems " <smoot3@c...> wrote,

31 October 2005:

>

> My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two weeks

injected

> by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in. syringe.

I draw in

> 50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by

pulling up and

> down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid of

air

> pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the

endo nurse

> who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick

straight

> jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain

free. No

> test results to report.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whilst I cannot comment on an individual case that I am not aware of

and the justification of the use of testosterone one way or the

other in the instance commented on, I do have to say that your

knowledge of the medical community and the actions of androgens is

woefully poor.

I suggest you may want to educate yourself further with the latest

and most relevant medical thinking on such matters before entering a

community with such strongly held and unfortunately misguided and

outdated beliefs.

I'm sure you're a nice guy but you are guilty of believing and

pushing some outdated and invalidated research/thoughts.

Some of the things you have said are just plain wrong and myths that

surrounding testosterone.

Testosterone has a notorious image, yet for those men or teenagers

with a lack thereof, it is a very necessary medical treatment.

And in fact is a vital medical treatment to a teenager who has been

shown to require testosterone therapy in order to successfully

complete puberty and realize vitalization as an adult (if you wish I

can detail why this can be a very important health requirement for

some teenage boys).

I don't blame you for thinking what you have, many other people have

also thought similar thoughts having also read invalidated and

outdated research and thinking, including specialists in this field.

I can gladly provide you with a wealth of source information on this

subject that you would find most enlightening.

If you would like to read relevant up-to-date expect medical

thinking on testosterone, androgens and hormones just let me know

and I will be glad to help.

P.S

To others out there- amazing how relaxed you can become when

treatment (at least in the short-term) is working.

Chris

>

> Dear " jmsems " ,

>

> That is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!

>

> Giving a 14-year-old boy such a dangerous drug as testosterone

> cyprionate! Did he even give his independently informed consent to

> it? (Bearing in mind that medical doctors like prescribing

> unnecessary drugs like testosterone, because they are " in the

> pockets " of the big drug companies that make the vile stuff, and

> get " kickbacks " for such unnecessary prescribing from the drug

> makers, so medical doctors who prescribe it are not a reliable

source

> of balanced independent information).

>

> That sort of thing ranks as " child abuse " ! Testosterone - which is

> not even necessary for human survival or well-being - can stunt

his

> growth, as well as causing hirsutism, excessive growth and

> ossification of the larynx and cartilages, baldness, and, worse

> still, hardening of the arteries with its attendant risks of

strokes

> and heart attacks. Its medical use should be banned, especially on

> someone that young. In today's modern industrial society, male

> secondary sexual characteristics are not even necessary. Take him

off

> the stuff immediately, for his own good! He may have legal

recourse

> against you in the future, especially if you imposed any sort of

> pressure upon him to take the injections, or gave him false or

> incomplete or misleading information.

>

> (Jean) J. Montréal johnjmontreal@y...

>

>

> --- In , " jmsems " <smoot3@c...>

wrote,

> 31 October 2005:

> >

> > My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two

weeks

> injected

> > by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in.

syringe.

> I draw in

> > 50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by

> pulling up and

> > down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid

of

> air

> > pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the

> endo nurse

> > who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick

> straight

> > jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain

> free. No

> > test results to report.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:31:09 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear " jmsems " ,

>

>That is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!

>

>Giving a 14-year-old boy such a dangerous drug as testosterone

>cyprionate! Did he even give his independently informed consent to

>it?

Please don't troll our group.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Just to add to my last mail I'd like to point out some of the issues

that I see in the mail. I will write between the lines of the post

with XXX marked to denote my comments.

>

> Dear " jmsems " ,

>

> That is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!

>

> Giving a 14-year-old boy such a dangerous drug as testosterone

> cyprionate!

XXX All forms of testosterone replacement therapy have an excellent

safety record with the exclusion of a molecularly altered form that

adversely affects the liver called methltestosterone.

Did he even give his independently informed consent to

> it?

XXX parents can consent to medical treatment for minors and informed

consent is not required for a boy of this age- at least in the UK

and I presume the same is so in the United States.

(Bearing in mind that medical doctors like prescribing

> unnecessary drugs like testosterone, because they are " in the

> pockets " of the big drug companies.

XXX I think you have a pretty extreme view of the medical profession

that is not borne out by reality.

that make the vile stuff,

XXX The vile stuff as you term it is present in every healthy mans

body in every country on this planet. Should we cut your testicles

off and every other man's testicles off to purge you off this vile

stuff?

Do you think that evolution or God whoever he/she or it maybe to you

made a mistake in providing healthy men with a ready and constant

supply of what you term the " vile stuff " ?

If you agree that it is natural and correct that healthy men produce

testosterone, presumably you agree that nature or god ensured this

production for a very good valid reason?

Otherwise you must think that evolution or god got it wrong.

Fish have gills for a reason, men and women have arms and legs and a

lungs for a reason, women have ovaries for a reason and following

the same premise men have testicles for a reason and that reason is

too produce sperm and testosterone. The first enables reproduction

the latter has a multitude of differing jobs, one of which is to

ensure that the male of the species wishes/desires to reproduce in

his lifetime.

Disregarding the many other vitally important jobs of androgens and

testosterone for a moment, I would hope you would see that the need

for reproduction as a species is something that is a quite an

important consideration whether in the eyes of Darwin or the

religion and god of your choosing.

Now, if you concur with the above, then I can only presume that you

have now change your mind to a degree and do not think that

testosterone is vile, but something that is there for a very real

and required purpose.

If that is so, why would it be a bad idea to replace it in men who

are deficient of the naturally occurring and important substance?

and

> get " kickbacks " for such unnecessary prescribing from the drug

> makers, so medical doctors who prescribe it are not a reliable

source

> of balanced independent information).

XXX when you say unnecessary prescribing, I question your definition

of unnecessary. Men and teenage boys are shown to be clearly

deficient of testosterone REQUIRE testosterone replacement.

> That sort of thing ranks as " child abuse " ! Testosterone - which is

> not even necessary for human survival or well-being

XXX I take issue here on three levels. A) If a teenager is below

the age of consent then a parent has a responsibility to act in the

Childs best interest and if that child/teenagers is hypogonadal then

the prescribing of testosterone or related hormones under the

professional guidance of expert medical opinion is not child abuse

and to say so is quite wrong.

B)and C) You say testosterone is not required for human survival or

well-being, however untreated testosterone deficiency has been shown

to cause an increased risk of developing;

Osteoporosis

which via hip or spinal fracture can cause death (it is known as the

silent killer).

Diabetes and syndrome x otherwise known as insulin resistance

syndrome

1 in 3 men with type 2 diabetes has testosterone deficiency and

diabetes I should remind also you can kill.

Cardio vascular Disease

Testosterone deficiency causes an increased statistical likelihood

of developing CVD, which is the second biggest killer in the western

world behind cancer.

Strokes and peripheral arterial disease

Both of which can again be life threatening.

Obesity

Which via complications can be a killer. The odds of surviving

major surgery of any kind are diminished in those who are obese.

Alzeimers

The latest research is showing that those with low testosterone are

far more likely to go on to develop dementia and Alzheimers.

Depression.

In modern medical thinking depression is thought to have a

significant influence on longevity. Depression is a major symptom

of long term untreated testosterone deficiency, with many untreated

sufferers on anti depressant medications. Following on from this,

those who suffer from depression are naturally far more likely to

commit suicide, which is why suicide attempts are much higher in

those with untreated hypogonadism.

I hope I have shown how your thoughts on this matter aren't really

right here. Again if you want detailed sources of information that

explains many of these factors please let me know and I'll be glad

to help.

- can stunt his

> growth,

XXX If a teenage boy has hypogonadism and does not have

androgen/testosterone therapy to correctly induce puberty then

depending on the extent of the deficiency, he is very likely to

suffer from differing degrees of skeletal developmental problems.

In those with Kallman and Klinefelter Syndromes, the important/vital

skeletal strengthening development that occurs during puberty can

without correct testosterone replacement not take place and this

can cause serious problems in later life. This is something that is

evinced by the lack of closing of the epiphyseal growth plates and

tall/eunuchoid stature of such men.

as well as causing hirsutism, excessive growth and

> ossification of the larynx and cartilages,

XXX In teenage boys and men where you are simply replacing

testosterone that would otherwise be present in a healthy developing

male, then the above that you have detailed is simply not an issue

of any real merit.

baldness,

XXX Baldness is caused by a recessive gene and high levels of DHT

seen together in combination. Many men have high testosterone and

DHT (one of testosterones metabolites) and they do not suffer from

any hairloss at all because they do not have the recessive gene

required in order to lose hair.

Even in those with the recessive gene that are testosterone

deficient;

What makes you think that the replacement of the missing androgens

will cause hairloss anymore than it would if the individual was

healthy and had their own testosterone supplied by their testicles?

The object of testosterone replacement therapy is not to produce a

high level of testosterone; rather it is too adequately replace that

which is lost- no more and no less. So you are only giving back

which is missing through ill health.

So how is this making someone bald?

and, worse

> still, hardening of the arteries with its attendant risks of

strokes

> and heart attacks.

XXX I'm afraid your medical research here is woefully outdated. All

the current medical literature not only goes against this old

research and thinking but it has in fact shown that the reverse is

true.

That untreated hypogonadal teenagers and men are far more likely to

suffer from the very problems that you mention if they are left

untreated.

Its medical use should be banned, especially on

> someone that young.

XXX If that were the case and you had your way then hypogonadal

teenage boys would never progress through puberty, would never

develop adult genitalia, would be confined to a future of serious

skeletal abnormalities and would statistically have a far greater

chance of succumbing to the diseases and illnesses that I have

detailed.

In today's modern industrial society, male

> secondary sexual characteristics are not even necessary.

XXX In which case presumably you must agree that every single man on

this planet should be castrated, as denial of testosterone treatment

is chemical castration of those that require it.

If this is so then you cosign the human race to history- then human

race has been run!

If you do not suffer from testosterone deficiency, I presume you

would have no problem being the first to give of yourself what you

would so gladly give of others and be the first to be castrated?

Take him off

> the stuff immediately, for his own good! He may have legal

recourse

> against you in the future,

XXX I believe I have already detailed the said legal situation.

especially if you imposed any sort of

> pressure upon him to take the injections, or gave him false or

> incomplete or misleading information.

XXX I'm afraid the false, incomplete and misleading information is

that which you have read in order to arrive at your current

convictions.

P.S

Like I said I will be only too happy to furnish you with the sources

of up-to-date and expert medial research and thinking.

All the best

Chris

>

> (Jean) J. Montréal johnjmontreal@y...

>

>

> --- In , " jmsems " <smoot3@c...>

wrote,

> 31 October 2005:

> >

> > My 14 year old son started T-Cyp in August. 50 mg every two

weeks

> injected

> > by me subq in thigh or shouldrer with a 29 guage 1/2 in.

syringe.

> I draw in

> > 50 mg of air and push it into the bottle - draw the T out by

> pulling up and

> > down on the syringe and occasionally tapping the side to get rid

of

> air

> > pockets. It takes me about ten minutes to do this although the

> endo nurse

> > who taught me could do it in about a minute. I give him a quick

> straight

> > jab and slowly but firmly push the T in. It is virtually pain

> free. No

> > test results to report.

> >

> >

>