Re: T levels and sexual function

June 8, 2007

. Thanks for taking so much time to respond Man. So sorry about your

injury but considering the party life kids are getting into today (the Paris

Hilton Lifestyle), your injury may have spared you lots of hurts,

disapointment, and heartaches. I have a doctor friend who is on compounded T

cream and

HGH secretagogue spray manufactured by Orenda International. He says he is

19 but chronologically, he is 68. Figure that one out.

I am going to study all this T business. I note that there is a definite

correlation at my age between high levels of exercise and libido as well as a

sense of well being. I will be watching your posts and wish you well pal.

Thanks again

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June 8, 2007

I am not going to go on with this subject with you.

paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: what about some of us guys who

never even heard of morning wood ,i had not and neither had my dad!!

so i cant see it being part of every mael phychie

Re: T levels and sexual function

Hi cottonfarm go to www.allthingsmale. com and read TRT: A recipe for success in

this are the tests you would need and why. Do them and post them here I would

not go on Testosterone unless I needed it.

cottonfarm7@ aol.com wrote: Norsworthy: What is you age man. Let me guess.

You are probably in

your forties. You report that morning wood has never been a problem with you

and that is an enviable position. I just turned sixty and without cialis,

there " ain't " no wood at night nowhere. I am studying T therapy but aside

from staying more focused and putting on more muscle in my weight training, I

dont believe I need it. I have no depression and my libido is not what it was

earlier in my life, but my sex life is probably more than it was at age 40.

Any advice for me. And again, , congratulations to you on the morning

wood. How old are you man. I think that nocturnal and morning wood are a

major part of the male psyche. Each hard encourages us as a man, whatever time

or place we get one. When nighttime and morning wood start to go, men

grieve silently. Maybe for those reasons, I need to be on T. What sayest the

men on this board?

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Promachief: No morning wood or noctunal wood ever?????????? Not you or

your dad??????? I guess you cant miss what you have never had man. But for us

men who have been awakened in the night with a hard so strong that it wakes

us out of sleep, that is a wonderfully rewarding experience for a man.

Likewise, morning wood that takes it time going down, like it has a mind of its

own

is also very comforting to a man. As boys, I would think that most males

have the experiences I have described. I think I am like most men. I took

those hards for granted when I was a teen and also took them for granted in my

twenties and thirties. They were fading somewhat in my twenties and thirties

and most definitely fading in my forties.

Fifty is not a kind age for most men erectile wise. That's when a man

begins to realize that he is on the downhill side of life and the infrequency of

any good nightime and morning wood are just one more thing to let go of if a

man at that age is not on a cialis regimen or on T therapy.

That's my explanation of my letting go process. I wish you and your dad

could experience the above. I think it would be most encouraging to your

psyche

as a man. Godspeed man.

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June 8, 2007

Pmgamer.........good to connect again with you man. I dont see you much

anymore on the ASI board. Your posts sound like you are doing well.

Glad

for you man. Thanks for your advice. I am taking a new look at the T

supplementation issues. If it can help me settle down and focus more in my

practice, I certainly would like that. Occasionally I am down or somewhat blue

and

I am watching that. I had one shot of T three years ago. The doc gave me

400 mg in one shot. On day ten to about day 26 after the shot I was a

teenager. Then I crashed. I want to be careful in anything I do from here on

out.

I will check out allthingsmale. Thanks man.

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June 8, 2007

> >

> > In another post this was stated:

> >

> > " betaine_hcl " said:

> >

> > " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> > threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> > goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> > and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> > according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> > numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> > pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> > more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> > So you are quite low. "

>

> My testosterone level used to be in the low 200's. A year ago a

> doctor talked me into trying Testim. After 6 weeks T was 125 and

> other blood counts deteriorated. Since starting thyroid medication

T

> level went to 278, muscle and joint pain is gone, constipation

> numbness and swelling is gone. Sexual function was good at all

those

> T levels, but somewhat better on Armour Thyroid because I have more

> energy.

>

> >

> > I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

> 200

> > mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem

with

> > erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> > morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

> has

> > changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca).

According

> > to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

> all.

> > He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

> life

> > (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused

by

> > this and wonder if there is something else going on with my

hubbie.

> I

> > am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some

of

> > his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

> has

> > never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

> the

> > TRT).

> >

> > Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to

the

> > lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

> around

> > 600 while on TRT.

> >

> > I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

> (new

> > Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> > hypothesis.

> >

> > Any insight.....

> >

> > TIA

> >

>

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June 9, 2007

Hi rayr_us your cortisol levels are not bad for this type of test but it does

not show the whole story. You need to do a saliva test checking this 4 x's in a

day this will show if your adrenals are working right. I also co-mod at STTM

and we use the Canary Club for this test cost about $144.

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Here is a good link to read about this if your cortisol levels are off and

your adrenals are over worked. The thyroid meds will build up in your blood and

as you up your dose make you feel dam bad my wife went to the ER she though she

was having a heart attack. You need cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone out

of the blood and into the cells.

You dose of Armour is very low and all this is doing is making you feel more

hypo. Most don't start feeling better until they are on 2.5 to 5 grains a day

of armour.

Here is cut and paste of a post I did to a Bill on how I started treating my

adrenals and thyroid.

============================================================

Bill sorry to hear you have this problem your cortisol is lower then my

first test I was 8. The ACTH Stim test will show if it's you Adrenals or your

Pituitary not sending the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here

is a link to Chris's Explaination of the ACTH test you need to read this I have

seen posts where Dr.'s did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about

this test and how to read it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288.

Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid

Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the

cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough

cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because

the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells.

One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to

bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.

Now we are finding a lot of men with low T had Adrenal Fatigue do to the stress

of low T be it from the fatigue of low T or the high Estradiol. But it's dam odd

that as men hear about this and are not feeling 100% on TRT that after a blood

test there cortisol levels are low.

The first thing I did was to try and figure out what stage of Adrenal Fatigue I

was at and it looked like stage 3.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/Selye%20large.html

Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps.

I would take it under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it is

under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem my temps that I did were for 4 morning and

then I did an avg. it was 95.8.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day and

did an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down

this is Adrenal Fatigue.

I then ordered a Saliva Test through this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

From the Canary Club for about $140.00 this is the best way to test cortisol

levels and DHEA.

Then I bought the book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by . This book

was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it

with stuff like this did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary

Extract (Freeze-Dried) 120 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much.

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

Also he said to do B Vit.s.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Vit. C

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I

get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.

And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this

for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a

day. This is the best price and product on he web.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

I dropped the Adrenal cortex

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

It did nothing.

I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the

first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs.

of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol

at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but

still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths

your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat

My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this

book by Dr. Jefferies " Safe Uses of Cortisol "

http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X

Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.

I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my

Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs.

in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at

98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was

feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for help is

Val. at this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewforum.php?f=5

Most of the people posting there are Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue but she helps

for Adrenals only too. Do get your thyroid checked have the TSH, Free T4 and

Free T3 checked and post them to her.

rayr_us <ray89012@...> wrote:

> >

> > In another post this was stated:

> >

> > " betaine_hcl " said:

> >

> > " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> > threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> > goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> > and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> > according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> > numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> > pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> > more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> > So you are quite low. "

>

> My testosterone level used to be in the low 200's. A year ago a

> doctor talked me into trying Testim. After 6 weeks T was 125 and

> other blood counts deteriorated. Since starting thyroid medication

T

> level went to 278, muscle and joint pain is gone, constipation

> numbness and swelling is gone. Sexual function was good at all

those

> T levels, but somewhat better on Armour Thyroid because I have more

> energy.

>

> >

> > I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

> 200

> > mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem

with

> > erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> > morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

> has

> > changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca).

According

> > to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

> all.

> > He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

> life

> > (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused

by

> > this and wonder if there is something else going on with my

hubbie.

> I

> > am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some

of

> > his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

> has

> > never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

> the

> > TRT).

> >

> > Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to

the

> > lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

> around

> > 600 while on TRT.

> >

> > I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

> (new

> > Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> > hypothesis.

> >

> > Any insight.....

> >

> > TIA

> >

>

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June 9, 2007

Yes I am still around been dam sick had a bad set back 2 yrs ago. We now know

my problems are do to a bad Pituitary and not one dam Dr. in 24 yrs ever seen

this yet my labs going back yrs were screaming this. I now treat my low T,

DHEA, Cortisol, Thyroid and Aldosterone levels. All of this due to a bad auto

accadent some 24 yrs ago. Where I had a bad head injury. Now finely I am on my

way back to health.

I am at also a co-mod at STTM site.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

In the Men's Thyroid and Hypopituitary fourms.

cottonfarm7@... wrote:

Pmgamer.........good to connect again with you man. I dont see you

much

anymore on the ASI board. Your posts sound like you are doing well. Glad

for you man. Thanks for your advice. I am taking a new look at the T

supplementation issues. If it can help me settle down and focus more in my

practice, I certainly would like that. Occasionally I am down or somewhat blue

and

I am watching that. I had one shot of T three years ago. The doc gave me

400 mg in one shot. On day ten to about day 26 after the shot I was a

teenager. Then I crashed. I want to be careful in anything I do from here on

out.

I will check out allthingsmale. Thanks man.

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June 9, 2007

philip georgian wrote:

> All of this due to a bad auto accadent some 24 yrs ago. Where I had a

bad head injury. Now finely I am on my way back to health.

***

BTW, how serious has to be an head injury to cause problems ? Some

years ago a moron friend of mine throw at me a 13 pounds (6 Kg) barbell

(those used in weight lifting). He had wanted that I grasped it, but I

wasn't ready to receive it. I couldn't imagine someone could throw in

air such a thing hoping I grasp it like a ball. So I received it in my

forhead. A cut, lot of blood, a big bump too, but nothing other. I gess

boxers can receive worst shot. Could a so small accident bring about

our problems ?

June 9, 2007

Hey Buddy,

Secondary is so complicated and I'm very sorry. For me, it's

primary. I suffered a trauma in the gonads when I was pre-pubecent

which led to a blood clot on my balls.

The doctor squeezed his ass off getting out that clot and I cried so

hard I almost blacked out when I was a kid. Now the nuts don't

respond to the LH from the pituitary so I don't produce the

testosterone.

Hopefully we are on the right track to recovery.

> Pmgamer.........good to connect again with you man. I

dont see you much

> anymore on the ASI board. Your posts sound like you are

doing well. Glad

> for you man. Thanks for your advice. I am taking a new look at the

T

> supplementation issues. If it can help me settle down and focus

more in my

> practice, I certainly would like that. Occasionally I am down or

somewhat blue and

> I am watching that. I had one shot of T three years ago. The doc

gave me

> 400 mg in one shot. On day ten to about day 26 after the shot I

was a

> teenager. Then I crashed. I want to be careful in anything I do

from here on out.

> I will check out allthingsmale. Thanks man.

>

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>

June 9, 2007

It does not take much are boys coming back from Iraq due to road side bombs have

damage to there Pituitary. Are Foot Ball players are showing proplems with low

testosterone due to Pituitary problems from blows to the head. There is a big

law suite because they can't play if there drug test shows testosterone in there

blood. Here they get sick do to the game yet when they go on treatment they get

fined.

paoloila <paoloila@...> wrote: philip georgian wrote:

> All of this due to a bad auto accadent some 24 yrs ago. Where I had a

bad head injury. Now finely I am on my way back to health.

***

BTW, how serious has to be an head injury to cause problems ? Some

years ago a moron friend of mine throw at me a 13 pounds (6 Kg) barbell

(those used in weight lifting). He had wanted that I grasped it, but I

wasn't ready to receive it. I couldn't imagine someone could throw in

air such a thing hoping I grasp it like a ball. So I received it in my

forhead. A cut, lot of blood, a big bump too, but nothing other. I gess

boxers can receive worst shot. Could a so small accident bring about

our problems ?

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June 9, 2007

This is interesting since I've noticed a lot of guys like us take thyroid

medicine too. I do.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Men that have a thyroid

problem can get a thick skin and gels and creams don't work. You should try

shots start at 100 mgs. every week.

I am finding a lot of young man are testing low for t and when they have more

testing done to see why they are low. They are finding they have low cortosol

and Thyroid levels. Best way to treat this is to treat the low cortisol levels

first then when the Adrenals are supported good add in Armour for the Thyroid.

After a time rechecking there T levels they are good.

What are you using for your thyroid. Have you seen this site.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

rayr_us <ray89012@...> wrote:

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

My testosterone level used to be in the low 200's. A year ago a

doctor talked me into trying Testim. After 6 weeks T was 125 and

other blood counts deteriorated. Since starting thyroid medication T

level went to 278, muscle and joint pain is gone, constipation

numbness and swelling is gone. Sexual function was good at all those

T levels, but somewhat better on Armour Thyroid because I have more

energy.

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

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Hi,

I think we are talking about different ED problems. No I never had my

E2 measured back when I began in 1991. This type of testing didn't

begin till recently. Now at 75 I do not expect to be a great

performer. Trimix still solves my ED problems.

Age related ED is when nerves are damaged because of age, typically

around 60+ in men. Hearing, touch and reflexes gradually are effected

in men by the same process of aging nerves as it was explained to me.

TRT does not restore them at that age and Viagra, etc. probably will

no longer work either. Viagra helps improve poor nerve performance as

it supposedly enhances the effect the nerves are able to provide.

When I was younger than 60 and the symptoms of ED trouble began I

found many ways of making things just a little better so the erections

would last longer. Tried many vitamins and such spelled out in a book

named " Life Extention " in the 80's.

I agree E2 can and is a real problem from everything I've been told

about it here. I never experienced that symptom as I received pellets

which rarely if ever cause E2 conversion problems ass it dissolves at

a constant rate, 24/7. High E2 seems to be more common than previously

known.

I think the reason (guessing) Dr. Shippen is in favor of more shots

per week is for this very reason, that surges of T are monitored by

the body's regulation system and springs into action when it figures

the T level is out of control and tries to remedy that.

Yes, most men do not want the surgical procedure for pellets even if

they could find a doctor to provide them.

The man who is having ED problems, searching for help, to often thinks

improved erections is the primary benefit from TRT. This is the myth I

thought I was addressing.

Really, I am trying to help others realize the benefits of TRT are

great. Let's not use easy erections as the sole measure.

ernestnolan

> > >

> > > I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

> > > Function and ST levels.pdf).

> > >

> > > If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for

> > spontaneous

> > > erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

> > > lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

> > > difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

> > > without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

> > > watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused

> > sufficiently.

> > > It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

> > > guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

> > >

> >

>

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June 10, 2007

I give up.

ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...> wrote: Hi,