Re: T levels and sexual function

[Guest guest]

I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

Function and ST levels.pdf).

If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for spontaneous

erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused sufficiently.

It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

My urologist says free testosterone numbers are more important than

total testosterone. You can have high total T, but if a lot of it is

bound or there is a lot of competing estradiol, it won't have as much

effect.

600 is not too high. That can't be evaluated out of context. It seems

a lot of people want one number to follow. It's just not that simple,

and unfortunately most doctors are not up to the challenging task of

looking at the whole picture.

Chris

--- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote:

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the 200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this has

>

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at all.

>

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex life

>

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie. I

>

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he has

>

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off the

>

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were around

>

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure (new

>

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In short the numbers game that has been stated is complete rubbish in

anything more than the most general sense and even then it is highly

questionable..

SHBG and estradiol affect the crucial free testosterone levels.

If free testosterone is high enough then you wouldn't expect

testosterone related ED irrespective of total testosterone numbers

and conversely the reverse is true.

Looking at the bigger picture of ED, in terms of the cause it is

multifactoral with blood flow/cardiovascular health, nerves, other

hormonal factors etc involved.

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

interesting so like me you still have interest in sexual things ie watching

things and interest in doing sex and dreaming fantasizing as i do

with me though i have never achieved an erection strong enough and long enough

to achieve sexual intercouse in all my 41 yrrs

never had morning wood sand never hrd of it till i joined this group !!

it can take 7- 10 manaula attempts and mastubation using other stimuation to

achieve ancd orgasm by then in fact the whoke thing has deflated me so much

mentally that even ejaculation is no relief

when one has spens hours trying to do it and it keeps going flaccind no matter

what i am looking at or what sexual thoughts i have

this is why to me to go lower still and be chemically castrated is an option ,as

why waste so much tme on this sexual side,even id i had fully working kit the

probems i have with adhd and aspergers means sex life is not really ikey to go

beyond masterbuation so i want rid of this time wiaster 2-4 hours a dsay on

sexuall things when i need what i have in my mind to be used more constructivel

and not distracted by femaels etc

rregards paul

Re: T levels and sexual function

I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

Function and ST levels.pdf).

If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for spontaneous

erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused sufficiently.

It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

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Since he has increased his Maca, he has been getting more spontanious

erections and having nocturnal activity. According to the study

spontanious erections and sexual arousal or dependant on androgen

levels. He doesn't have a problem getting an erection, maintaining

one (I don't think he gets bored..LOL) and never has. He is also not

difficult to arouse, if I have to do any work it is minimal...

That is what I am finding so confusing, that his T levels are so low

and (granted Maca has helped out a lot) he is still functioning

sexually. Even off the Maca and off the TRT we still had frequent

sex. (at least 4-6 times a month...I know TMI)

Still confused about how he functioned so well off the TRT. Even

before he was diagnosed 5 years ago we never had trouble in the

bedroom. THe only problem was that I wanted to do it more often than

he did. (once a week was fine for him, I wanted more).

>

> I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

> Function and ST levels.pdf).

>

> If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for

spontaneous

> erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

> lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

> difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

> without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

> watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused

sufficiently.

> It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

> guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is where we have our problem...Dr's not performing the right

tests. The last time his free T levels checked his was still on the

Androgel.

Patience is not one of my best virtues, the Dr appt is next week and

we are getting pretty anxious and want some answers and the

appropriate tests done. After all, we have beeen waiting for 5 years

for someone to do it right.

>

> > In another post this was stated:

> >

> > " betaine_hcl " said:

> >

> > " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> > threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> > goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> > and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> > according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> > numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> > pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> > more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> > So you are quite low. "

> >

> > I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> > mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem

with

> > erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> > morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> >

> > changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca).

According

> > to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> >

> > He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> >

> > (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused

by

> > this and wonder if there is something else going on with my

hubbie. I

> >

> > am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some

of

> > his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> >

> > never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> >

> > TRT).

> >

> > Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to

the

> > lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> >

> > 600 while on TRT.

> >

> > I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> >

> > Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> > hypothesis.

> >

> > Any insight.....

> >

> > TIA

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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When I first got sick I was 40 my total T levels were 120 I had no problem

getting it up for sex and had sex 3x's a week. Yet I suffered from bad fatigue,

brain fog, sore joints and muscles. I got up tired and went to bed tired until

I could not get to work any more. All the dam Dr. could tell me at the time is

I am depressed this went on for 5 yrs. Until a Dr. treating me for a bladder

infection found me to have low testosterone. I went on TRT and was back to work

in 30 days. As time went on I started having problems with sex bad ED and

trouble reaching an orgasm this went on from the age of 50 until just 5 yrs ago

when I joined here and found out about high Estradiol. When I got my estradiol

levels down my ED got better and I could reach an orgasm after not being able

for 10 yrs. And Indolplex/DIM was the best thing I ever took to keep my E2

down. The brand a guy here told me about works and gets my E2 down. On this

brand I never had High E's I read day to day

about posts here and other boards saying DIM does not lower E2 and is not any

good will this brand works I have labs after labs showing it works and many guys

that may not be here anymore that it worked for.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

There is a lot of DIM out there and most of it is junk guys buy this because

it is cheep then when it does not work post it's no good. I can't understand

some people you tell them this brand they don't get it and post on the boards it

does not work. So anyone that needs to get there E2 down and dose not try this

first your loss.

I don't use it anymore because I would need to take 2 tablets a day and this

does not agree with me. So I have to use Arimidex and believe me it was a lot

easier to keep E2 in check on Indolplex/DIM this going to low all the time on

Arimidex.

Indolplex/DIM converts E2 into good E's that the liver can wash out easier.

Arimidex blocks E2. No matter how you cut it both lower E2.

In another post this was stated:

" betaine_hcl " said:

" Your testerone are below all the sexual function

threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

more of them could no longer could function sexually.

So you are quite low. "

I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the 200

mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this has

changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at all.

He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex life

(even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie. I

am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he has

never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off the

TRT).

Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were around

600 while on TRT.

I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure (new

Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

hypothesis.

Any insight.....

TIA

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I agree that hard and fast rules are wrong of a couple

of levels. First is that individual biology varies; and second

the practical number of significant digits in the lab numbers

seems to be only about 1 and 1/2. The reason

I refered to the number of that article (and I did

misreport the numbers of the article putting them too low by 100)

was at least the article recognized that there are various thresholds

for T is the same person and thus goes some way to discrediting

the ~240 to 300 ng/dl threshold that most endos seem to use for

choosing to consider treatment or to just " foot drag " znd to test and

test again.

> >

> > In another post this was stated:

> >

> > " betaine_hcl " said:

> >

> > " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> > threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> > goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> > and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> > according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> > numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> > pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> > more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> > So you are quite low. "

> >

> > I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

> 200

> > mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> > erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> > morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

> has

> > changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca).

According

> > to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

> all.

> > He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

> life

> > (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused

by

> > this and wonder if there is something else going on with my

hubbie.

> I

> > am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some

of

> > his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

> has

> > never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

> the

> > TRT).

> >

> > Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> > lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

> around

> > 600 while on TRT.

> >

> > I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

> (new

> > Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> > hypothesis.

> >

> > Any insight.....

> >

> > TIA

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes and in the very general sense your salient point is absolutely

valid.

> > >

> > > In another post this was stated:

> > >

> > > " betaine_hcl " said:

> > >

> > > " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> > > threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> > > goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> > > and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> > > according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> > > numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> > > pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> > > more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> > > So you are quite low. "

> > >

> > > I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around

the

> > 200

> > > mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem

with

> > > erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> > > morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido

(this

> > has

> > > changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca).

> According

> > > to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections

at

> > all.

> > > He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent

sex

> > life

> > > (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very

confused

> by

> > > this and wonder if there is something else going on with my

> hubbie.

> > I

> > > am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused

some

> of

> > > his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but

he

> > has

> > > never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even

off

> > the

> > > TRT).

> > >

> > > Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to

the

> > > lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

> > around

> > > 600 while on TRT.

> > >

> > > I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for

sure

> > (new

> > > Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> > > hypothesis.

> > >

> > > Any insight.....

> > >

> > > TIA

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

My testosterone level used to be in the low 200's. A year ago a

doctor talked me into trying Testim. After 6 weeks T was 125 and

other blood counts deteriorated. Since starting thyroid medication T

level went to 278, muscle and joint pain is gone, constipation

numbness and swelling is gone. Sexual function was good at all those

T levels, but somewhat better on Armour Thyroid because I have more

energy.

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Too often men grade their success with TRT by the ease of erections.

They haven't done enough reading such as Dr. Eugene Shippen's book

" The Testosterone Syndrome " which contains the most real facts I have

read. Too oftern bad doctors are not caught doing things wrong because

the patient doesn't know enough about this subject to be able to give

the doctor a grade.

When starting TRT for the first time, the normal experience is

fantastic erections beginning in about 2 weeks and after the new T

level stabilizes in 6 weeks or so, the gift goes away. One endo said

it is related to escalating T levels and it you had ED before it will

return. If you had no ED problems before, you just get a boost in

performance and then it drops back to normal.

Many men taking infrequent shots or applications of creama and

ointments can have a reaction by the body that converts the surge of T

to E2. The closer together the applications of the T are the better it is.

The point is: Don't use fantastic erections as a measure of the

benefits of TRT.

ernestnolan

> >

> > I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

> > Function and ST levels.pdf).

> >

> > If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for

> spontaneous

> > erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

> > lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

> > difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

> > without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

> > watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused

> sufficiently.

> > It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

> > guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Norsworthy: What is you age man. Let me guess. You are probably in

your forties. You report that morning wood has never been a problem with you

and that is an enviable position. I just turned sixty and without cialis,

there " ain't " no wood at night nowhere. I am studying T therapy but aside

from staying more focused and putting on more muscle in my weight training, I

dont believe I need it. I have no depression and my libido is not what it was

earlier in my life, but my sex life is probably more than it was at age 40.

Any advice for me. And again, , congratulations to you on the morning

wood. How old are you man. I think that nocturnal and morning wood are a

major part of the male psyche. Each hard encourages us as a man, whatever time

or place we get one. When nighttime and morning wood start to go, men

grieve silently. Maybe for those reasons, I need to be on T. What sayest the

men on this board?

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I recently had a " T " test and the number came back 207. Now I know the number

sucks but gonadal function is fine. No problem making wood here even with a

number that low.

That number was a month after an injection. I would like to know what my

levels were 2 days after an injection. I'm certain that within an injection

cycle my levels vary. I'm curious what my highest level would be.

For me and many others, low testosterone affects cognitive function.

Occasionally I get weird headaches but manifestations of depression and anxiety

are common until a guy gets straightened out on TRT.

I take " T " to smooth out cognitive function. Making wood has never been an

issue with me. From what I've gathered from this forum, every case is different

and results depend on the individual.

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Hey - in the files section, I once did a study of several men on this

forum and put together a document with the results. In that document there is a

graph that will tell you ~ what your T level is based on your weight and dose.

Its called T response survey by dmeatheany. It is towards the bottom of the

list. This will probably give you an idea or if you want to post your weight and

dosage and frequency, I can give you my best guess.

Arkansas

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I recently had a " T " test and the number came back 207. Now I know the

number sucks but gonadal function is fine. No problem making wood here even with

a number that low.

That number was a month after an injection. I would like to know what my levels

were 2 days after an injection. I'm certain that within an injection cycle my

levels vary. I'm curious what my highest level would be.

For me and many others, low testosterone affects cognitive function.

Occasionally I get weird headaches but manifestations of depression and anxiety

are common until a guy gets straightened out on TRT.

I take " T " to smooth out cognitive function. Making wood has never been an issue

with me. From what I've gathered from this forum, every case is different and

results depend on the individual.

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:55:08 -0000, you wrote:

>When starting TRT for the first time, the normal experience is

>fantastic erections beginning in about 2 weeks and after the new T

>level stabilizes in 6 weeks or so, the gift goes away.

That's as E2 accumulates. If you control E2, this isn't true for most.

>One endo said

>it is related to escalating T levels and it you had ED before it will

>return. If you had no ED problems before, you just get a boost in

>performance and then it drops back to normal.

Not if you manage E2 properly for most people.

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I guess the point I am trying to make is that there isn't a

difference in erections on or off the TRT. THe only difference we

are seeing is his libido. Off the TRT (before the MAca) his libido

wasn't as strong, but the ability to get aroused had not changed.

Even on the TRT he didin't have frequent random erections, MW or NE.

When he was first on the TRT his libido jumped and then like you said

it dwindled a bit.

The BIG difference we are seeing right now is when we introduced

Maca. For him sex is better, random erections happen more frequently

and MW and ME are returning. Not to mention he has had a significant

increase in libido.

I guess it is hard for me to explain what is going on since it isn't

my body and I have only to go on what he tells me.

>

> Hi,

>

> Too often men grade their success with TRT by the ease of

erections.

> They haven't done enough reading such as Dr. Eugene Shippen's book

> " The Testosterone Syndrome " which contains the most real facts I

have

> read. Too oftern bad doctors are not caught doing things wrong

because

> the patient doesn't know enough about this subject to be able to

give

> the doctor a grade.

>

> When starting TRT for the first time, the normal experience is

> fantastic erections beginning in about 2 weeks and after the new T

> level stabilizes in 6 weeks or so, the gift goes away. One endo said

> it is related to escalating T levels and it you had ED before it

will

> return. If you had no ED problems before, you just get a boost in

> performance and then it drops back to normal.

>

> Many men taking infrequent shots or applications of creama and

> ointments can have a reaction by the body that converts the surge

of T

> to E2. The closer together the applications of the T are the better

it is.

>

> The point is: Don't use fantastic erections as a measure of the

> benefits of TRT.

>

> ernestnolan

>

>

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I'll be 44 in less than 2 weeks. Lowering " T " is a natural

phenomenon in men. Once we reach age 30, most men naturally produce

less and less testosterone each year as they age which probably

explains the lack of interest in sexual activity.

For me, wood comes and goes during my monthly injection cycles.

There are times when I'm flat and times when I think I'm 13 years

old again.

I suffered a childhood trauma in the gonads when I was pre-pubecent.

I was 11 or 12. I've never gotten anyone pregnant before or after

marriage, no, not even my wife. The damage from this childhood

trauma probably contributed in large part to suddenly requiring " T "

supplements.

You'll have to ask your doctor. I gather that most men here became

symptomatic or experienced some pretty ugly symptoms of heat

flashes, depression or anxiety, something of that sort which served

as an indicator that they needed the treatment they are on now.

In your case, you are not experiencing symptoms and seem to want to

use testosterone as a sexual aid supplement. I see no problem in

that. I will say I gave a man who is 55 a couple of Viagra tablets

and they didn't work for him. I told my doctor who is also

hypogonadal like me and he said that Viagra may not work if you have

low " T " .

A word of caution though. It took me over a year to adjust to " T "

injection therapy. Two weeks after the first shot and the withdrawal

symptoms were so strong I found myself circling the clinic hoping to

get another injection right then.

One man at the first clinic I was going to forced himself into the

nurses station and demanded an injection right then and there. When

the nurse said no he began throwing objects at the staff members.

So if you do get on TRT for whatever reason, be advised that it may

take some time to adjust. No doctor ever warned me of this in

advance so you may want to curb your enthusiam a bit.

Occasionally I get these peculiar headaches and feel like I've been

run over by an automobile. Sometimes I vomit. So TRT is not always a

cakewalk nor is it always the land of endless woodies preparing you

for a new career in adult motion pictures.

But do consult your doctor and see if TRT (testosterone replacement

therapy) is right for you. One advantage to TRT, in my opinion only,

is that it can protect you from the onset of osteoporosis.

You see, there is a direct connection between the reduction of sex

hormone and osteoporosis. News ads won't tell you this because " T "

is a controlled substance that you can't buy at Wal-Mart. You have

to have a prescription. That's what happens to the elderly. They

age, don't produce enough hormone, develop osteoporosis, fall down

and break bones.

However, I am interested if your doctor will allow you a

prescription for " T " to use as a sexual aid, considering you have no

bad symptoms. Let me know how it goes.

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Can you send me a link to your study?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: Hey - in the files

section, I once did a study of several men on this forum and put together a

document with the results. In that document there is a graph that will tell you

~ what your T level is based on your weight and dose. Its called T response

survey by dmeatheany. It is towards the bottom of the list. This will probably

give you an idea or if you want to post your weight and dosage and frequency, I

can give you my best guess.

Arkansas

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I recently had a " T " test and the number came back 207. Now I know the number

sucks but gonadal function is fine. No problem making wood here even with a

number that low.

That number was a month after an injection. I would like to know what my levels

were 2 days after an injection. I'm certain that within an injection cycle my

levels vary. I'm curious what my highest level would be.

For me and many others, low testosterone affects cognitive function.

Occasionally I get weird headaches but manifestations of depression and anxiety

are common until a guy gets straightened out on TRT.

I take " T " to smooth out cognitive function. Making wood has never been an issue

with me. From what I've gathered from this forum, every case is different and

results depend on the individual.

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Men that have a thyroid problem can get a thick skin and gels and creams don't

work. You should try shots start at 100 mgs. every week.

I am finding a lot of young man are testing low for t and when they have more

testing done to see why they are low. They are finding they have low cortosol

and Thyroid levels. Best way to treat this is to treat the low cortisol levels

first then when the Adrenals are supported good add in Armour for the Thyroid.

After a time rechecking there T levels they are good.

What are you using for your thyroid. Have you seen this site.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

rayr_us <ray89012@...> wrote:

>

> In another post this was stated:

>

> " betaine_hcl " said:

>

> " Your testerone are below all the sexual function

> threshold levels. Around 300 ng/dL morning wood

> goes soft, at 400 ng/dL the ability to keep hard goes soft,

> and somewhere around 500 ng/dL the libido/sex drive

> according to one research report I've seen. Others say they need

> numbers of 700 or 800. In other research in men on

> pellets, when they dropped below 330 or so, more and

> more of them could no longer could function sexually.

> So you are quite low. "

My testosterone level used to be in the low 200's. A year ago a

doctor talked me into trying Testim. After 6 weeks T was 125 and

other blood counts deteriorated. Since starting thyroid medication T

level went to 278, muscle and joint pain is gone, constipation

numbness and swelling is gone. Sexual function was good at all those

T levels, but somewhat better on Armour Thyroid because I have more

energy.

>

> I am very confused by this. My hubbies' T levels are around the

200

> mark (130 is the bottom of lab levels) and he has not problem with

> erections or with sexual fuction. Granted he doesn't get much

> morning wood or random erections and he has had a low libido(this

has

> changed a quite a bit since he has started taking Maca). According

> to the numbers above he shouldn't be able to get an erections at

all.

> He doesn't have problem with erections, and we have a decent sex

life

> (even more so since he has been on the MAca). I am very confused by

> this and wonder if there is something else going on with my hubbie.

I

> am just wondering if he has an E2 issue and that has caused some of

> his problems. The Maca has helped and increased MW and NE, but he

has

> never had a problem getting or maintaining and erection (even off

the

> TRT).

>

> Also a Dr told him a T level of 600 was too high (according to the

> lab levels 800ish is top). When he was on TRT his levels were

around

> 600 while on TRT.

>

> I guess until he has the right tests done we won't know for sure

(new

> Dr appt next week)...I am just looking for anyone that has a

> hypothesis.

>

> Any insight.....

>

> TIA

>

>

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Well I will ask you again Ernestnolan have you had your estradiol tested. You

keep posting this and it's not true. The best gauge for how your TRT is doing

is by your morning erections. There is no gift of a higher T level going on TRT

it's about the mix of T to E2. And as long as you have this mix right you will

have morning erections and good sex. As long as you don't have something wrong

with your penis a good T to E2 mix fix's ED problems. And Dr. Shippens book is

good but dated. He use to be down on shot and up on pellets now he does shots

every 3 days subQ and is finding this keeps E2 down the best.

ernestnolan <ernestnolan@...> wrote: Hi,

Too often men grade their success with TRT by the ease of erections.

They haven't done enough reading such as Dr. Eugene Shippen's book

" The Testosterone Syndrome " which contains the most real facts I have

read. Too oftern bad doctors are not caught doing things wrong because

the patient doesn't know enough about this subject to be able to give

the doctor a grade.

When starting TRT for the first time, the normal experience is

fantastic erections beginning in about 2 weeks and after the new T

level stabilizes in 6 weeks or so, the gift goes away. One endo said

it is related to escalating T levels and it you had ED before it will

return. If you had no ED problems before, you just get a boost in

performance and then it drops back to normal.

Many men taking infrequent shots or applications of creama and

ointments can have a reaction by the body that converts the surge of T

to E2. The closer together the applications of the T are the better it is.

The point is: Don't use fantastic erections as a measure of the

benefits of TRT.

ernestnolan

> >

> > I've just posted the original article in the Files section (Sexual

> > Function and ST levels.pdf).

> >

> > If you read it you see that S-T levels are important for

> spontaneous

> > erections. You can have erections with erotic stimulations even at

> > lower levels. Actually I'm S-T 300 and I get erections but I find

> > difficult to be aroused. My arousal is a lot lower than years ago,

> > without regard to whom I'm having sex with or what filthy things I

> > watch :-) That's the point to me. I don't get aroused

> sufficiently.

> > It happens I lose erection during intercourse for ... boredom. I

> > guess. Or erection is not sufficient. No matter who my partner is.

> >

> >

>

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need to know the does of your shot once a month. You do know that even

the AACE Guildlines starte to do shots every 7 to 10 days to get past that

roller coaster ride your on. The best way to do shots is every week some Dr.'s

have there men come in for shots and not thinking do them every 4 weeks. This

is convenient for both you and your Dr. but not a good treatment.

In this link are charts showing how high your sex hormones levels go after

different types of TRT.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6413 & d=1139879356

And for the best in TRT go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A recipe for

success and the HCG Update.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I recently had a " T " test and the number came back 207. Now I know the

number sucks but gonadal function is fine. No problem making wood here even with

a number that low.

That number was a month after an injection. I would like to know what my levels

were 2 days after an injection. I'm certain that within an injection cycle my

levels vary. I'm curious what my highest level would be.

For me and many others, low testosterone affects cognitive function.

Occasionally I get weird headaches but manifestations of depression and anxiety

are common until a guy gets straightened out on TRT.

I take " T " to smooth out cognitive function. Making wood has never been an issue

with me. From what I've gathered from this forum, every case is different and

results depend on the individual.

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Hi cottonfarm go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A recipe for success in

this are the tests you would need and why. Do them and post them here I would

not go on Testosterone unless I needed it.

cottonfarm7@... wrote: Norsworthy: What is you age man. Let

me guess. You are probably in

your forties. You report that morning wood has never been a problem with you

and that is an enviable position. I just turned sixty and without cialis,

there " ain't " no wood at night nowhere. I am studying T therapy but aside

from staying more focused and putting on more muscle in my weight training, I

dont believe I need it. I have no depression and my libido is not what it was

earlier in my life, but my sex life is probably more than it was at age 40.

Any advice for me. And again, , congratulations to you on the morning

wood. How old are you man. I think that nocturnal and morning wood are a

major part of the male psyche. Each hard encourages us as a man, whatever time

or place we get one. When nighttime and morning wood start to go, men

grieve silently. Maybe for those reasons, I need to be on T. What sayest the

men on this board?

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what about some of us guys who never even heard of morning wood ,i had not and

neither had my dad!!

so i cant see it being part of every mael phychie

Re: T levels and sexual function

Hi cottonfarm go to www.allthingsmale. com and read TRT: A recipe for success in

this are the tests you would need and why. Do them and post them here I would

not go on Testosterone unless I needed it.

cottonfarm7@ aol.com wrote: Norsworthy: What is you age man. Let me guess.

You are probably in

your forties. You report that morning wood has never been a problem with you

and that is an enviable position. I just turned sixty and without cialis,

there " ain't " no wood at night nowhere. I am studying T therapy but aside

from staying more focused and putting on more muscle in my weight training, I

dont believe I need it. I have no depression and my libido is not what it was

earlier in my life, but my sex life is probably more than it was at age 40.

Any advice for me. And again, , congratulations to you on the morning

wood. How old are you man. I think that nocturnal and morning wood are a

major part of the male psyche. Each hard encourages us as a man, whatever time

or place we get one. When nighttime and morning wood start to go, men

grieve silently. Maybe for those reasons, I need to be on T. What sayest the

men on this board?

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol.

com.

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2 ml Test Cyp. I tried bi-weekly and had no success. My doctor and I

both follow the same program. He's primary hypogonadal too.

Lately I've been fine it's just that sometimes it's no fun. The ride

is inconsistent. I can have excellent months like this month.

I can have a few days that make for a crappy month too. I believe he

has his reasons for not pursuing a more agressive regimine.

My experience with doctors is that they are almost always very

conservative in their treatment. I don't know how to define " over

doing it " but I suspect he's prescribing me as little as he can yet

making sure I maintain a reasonable comfort level.

I know that probably sounds hard to believe considering the

complaining I've been doing lately but by and large as a whole, I'm

satisfied with my treatment and progress.

I know some guys with secondary, and God bless their hearts too

because there are still men out there that suffer bad symptoms, even

with treatment. I try to find reasons to count my blessings.

On a different subject, my Dad has had rhuematoid arthritis for 30

years and I've heard him complain only 3 or 4 times. Maybe I should

learn a lesson from him.

But I thank you for the links as well as for your time. It's just

that I'm a bit reluctant to press for a change in treatment at the

moment. Thanks again.

> I recently had a " T " test and the number came back 207.

Now I know the number sucks but gonadal function is fine. No problem

making wood here even with a number that low.

>

> That number was a month after an injection. I would like to know

what my levels were 2 days after an injection. I'm certain that

within an injection cycle my levels vary. I'm curious what my

highest level would be.

>

> For me and many others, low testosterone affects cognitive

function. Occasionally I get weird headaches but manifestations of

depression and anxiety are common until a guy gets straightened out

on TRT.

>

> I take " T " to smooth out cognitive function. Making wood has never

been an issue with me. From what I've gathered from this forum,

every case is different and results depend on the individual.

>

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Thank you. True words there.

Chris

--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:55:08 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >When starting TRT for the first time, the normal experience is

> >fantastic erections beginning in about 2 weeks and after the new T

> >level stabilizes in 6 weeks or so, the gift goes away.

>

> That's as E2 accumulates. If you control E2, this isn't true for

> most.

>

>

> >One endo said

> >it is related to escalating T levels and it you had ED before it

> will

> >return. If you had no ED problems before, you just get a boost in

> >performance and then it drops back to normal.

>

> Not if you manage E2 properly for most people.

>

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