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I love your comment - kick him (doc) to the curb or just treat your

self.

I am getting pretty frustrated trying to get the right treatment.

Still, it is not very wise to self treat. Think of the advantages:

- Docs can order lab test that are covered by insurance.

- Docs can prescribe drugs that are covered by insurance. I know my

Test Cyp copay is really cheap. Street Test Cyp is more expensive and

you don't know the quality. This is pretty much true of any TRT drug.

- Docs should know or have access to better drug information.

- A second " knowledgeable " opinion is invaluable.

I am frustrated because I have evidence that some of my other

hormones are low and my doc does not want to look there. The AMA and

insurance companies have some nasty attitudes about some hormones

(growth hormone and coritosol, etc.) and male hormone treatment in

general.

I am still in the camp that my doctor is manning the point but my

patience is wearing thin.

> > > Hey guys, I'm still battling what will work best for me as TRT

> > > treatment. I was on Androderm at first, this worked out really

good

> > > for me except for the skin issues so I switched to Androgel,

this has

> > > had no affect for me even when increasing the dose 2X. My

levels where

> > > good when I was taking an incorrect dose of HCG (with the

androgel)

> > > but when we reduced this dose down to the 250iu maintenance

dose I

> > > should have been on (was on 6500iu) I crashed badly my doctor

just had

> > > me double my dose of Androgel this has had no affect.

> > >

> > > I went to another Endo.. today and he wants me to try Testim.

Is there

> > > anyone here who has switched from Androgel to Testim? I'm

apprehensive

> > > about trying this and going through another month feeling like

crap.

> > >

> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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Softy don't get me wrong I mean for him to treat just his E2 with Indolplex/DIM.

You need a better Dr. go the the files section at the home page and read " Find a

New Male Hormone Dr. " you will find one reading this.

Phil

Softy <modestman3@...> wrote:

I love your comment - kick him (doc) to the curb or just treat your

self.

I am getting pretty frustrated trying to get the right treatment.

Still, it is not very wise to self treat. Think of the advantages:

- Docs can order lab test that are covered by insurance.

- Docs can prescribe drugs that are covered by insurance. I know my

Test Cyp copay is really cheap. Street Test Cyp is more expensive and

you don't know the quality. This is pretty much true of any TRT drug.

- Docs should know or have access to better drug information.

- A second " knowledgeable " opinion is invaluable.

I am frustrated because I have evidence that some of my other

hormones are low and my doc does not want to look there. The AMA and

insurance companies have some nasty attitudes about some hormones

(growth hormone and coritosol, etc.) and male hormone treatment in

general.

I am still in the camp that my doctor is manning the point but my

patience is wearing thin.

> > > Hey guys, I'm still battling what will work best for me as TRT

> > > treatment. I was on Androderm at first, this worked out really

good

> > > for me except for the skin issues so I switched to Androgel,

this has

> > > had no affect for me even when increasing the dose 2X. My

levels where

> > > good when I was taking an incorrect dose of HCG (with the

androgel)

> > > but when we reduced this dose down to the 250iu maintenance

dose I

> > > should have been on (was on 6500iu) I crashed badly my doctor

just had

> > > me double my dose of Androgel this has had no affect.

> > >

> > > I went to another Endo.. today and he wants me to try Testim.

Is there

> > > anyone here who has switched from Androgel to Testim? I'm

apprehensive

> > > about trying this and going through another month feeling like

crap.

> > >

> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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