Re: 500 IU hCG QD too much, just right?

[Guest guest]

WF,

Perhaps someone already asked you, but I notice that

your DHEA levels (both pre- and post-HCG) appear to be

above range, and so I was wondering if you're

supplementing with extra DHEA? If so, how much per

day? You might be able to help lower your post-HCG E2

level by reducing the amount of extra DHEA you're

taking (if in fact you are). I'm thinking that

perhaps the DHEA may be more likely to convert to E2

in the presence of the extra T being generated by the

HCG.

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" wildfoxhunter " <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

The lab results I posted earlier were from September

and used as the

basis for the 500 IU hCG QD.

I just got in the lab results for blood take one month

later...

LH and FSH were not tested.

Sept '05 Oct '05

DHT 20 (25-75 ng/dL) 48

Estradiol 13 (10-50 pg/mL) 48

DHEA 509 (110-370 mcg/dL) 491

Progesterone 1.0 (<1.4 ng/mL) no result

Prolactin 5.9 (2.0-18.0 ng/mL) no result

TSH 1.16 (0.4-5.5 mIU/L) no result

Cortisol, AM 5.1 (4.0-22.0 mcg/dL) 11.2

PSA, Total 0.6 (< or = 4.0 ng/mL) 0.8

Total T 224 (241-827 ng/dL) 784

Albumin 4.2 (3.7-5.1 g/dL) 4.2

SHBG 18 (7-60 nmol/L) 16

Free T 66 (34-194 pg/mL) 287

Free and weakly bound T 127 (84-402 ng/dL) 554

T is obviously up, but does that Estradiol seem high?

WF

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[Guest guest]

I do not take any DHEA supplements. My former doctor also noticed

this, and if I recall correctly it might be due to high adrenal

activity. I really don't know what is making it so high in both

sets of labs.

WF

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> The lab results I posted earlier were from September

> and used as the

> basis for the 500 IU hCG QD.

>

> I just got in the lab results for blood take one month

> later...

>

> LH and FSH were not tested.

>

> Sept '05 Oct '05

> DHT 20 (25-75 ng/dL) 48

> Estradiol 13 (10-50 pg/mL) 48

> DHEA 509 (110-370 mcg/dL) 491

[Guest guest]

My face is a lot redder since starting any form of

TRT/HCG...coincidence?

> Re: 500 IU hCG QD too much, just right?

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>That sounds like the pattern I'm talking about, except after 5

>days I just went more mellow, not a sudden drop, but after 3

>weeks that's when I felt like I was PMS'ing again.

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>My face is also redder a lot more these days. Is that relevant?

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>WF

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>> My doctor had me doing 1cc (1000iu) every other day. At first I

>felt GREAT. No more anxiety, great libido, feeling of well being.

>That only lasted about 5 days then I started to have major anxiety, I

>think my E went too high. Thinking about trying 100iu every day.

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>> Dr .... .1cc (100iu) looks like such a tiny amount but

>maybe that's all it takes. Any thoughts?

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[Guest guest]

HCG subq shots in the belly with an insulin needele are absolutely

painless after the first few times....it's just no big deal. Pinch some

skin, push it in an push the plunger.

> Re: 500 IU hCG QD too much, just right?

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>Dr Crisler I know you wrote a paper on using HCG along with

>HRT. I'v been on Androgel for a while now. I've got that

> " atrophy " issue and while I know its rather silly I wonder

>what I should say or ask my MD the next time I see her. Is

>Clomid a viable option or is HCG the only way to go? I'm

>willing to go with injections if nothing else will do the

>trick right but if I had my druthers...

>

>Thanks!

>

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>> Based on the following blood test results

>>

>> LH 1.4 (2.0-18.0 mIU/mL)

>> FSH 0.9 (1.6-18.1 mIU/mL)

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>> DHT 20 (25-75 ng/dL)

>> Estradiol 13 (10-50 pg/mL)

>> DHEA 509 (110-370 mcg/dL)

>> Progesterone 1.0 (<1.4 ng/mL)

>> Prolactin 5.9 (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)

>> TSH 1.16 (0.4-5.5 mIU/L)

>> Cortisol, AM 5.1 (4.0-22.0 mcg/dL)

>> PSA, Total 0.6 (< or = 4.0 ng/mL)

>> Total T 224 (241-827 ng/dL)

>> Albumin 4.2 (3.7-5.1 g/dL)

>> SHBG 18 (7-60 nmol/L)

>> Free T 66 (34-194 pg/mL)

>> Free and weakly bound T 127 (84-402 ng/dL)

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>> my doctor prescribed hCG 500IU QD (yes, every day). Nothing else.

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>> The first few weeks were great, testes had grown noticeably (they

>> had been quite small), libido and energy increased like I hadn't

>> experienced for a long time. Then at about a month into it, my

>> testes were smaller again, libido and energy back down, feeling

>> about where I had started.

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>> I recently had another set of tests done, and will hear from the

>> doctor about them in about a week.

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>> Any comments? It seems other men taking hCG are taking less and

>> less often. Do I need to worry about desensitization? My doctor

>> says taking just Testosterone is like going on birth control, and

>> that because my wife and I would like to have at least one more

>> child, hCG is the way to go.

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>> Just would like any other informed comments.

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>> Thanks.

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>> WF

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[Guest guest]

For me it is a clue that my E2 is up but Dr. said once that this happens

when on just starts on TRT and it goes away.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

My face is a lot redder since starting any form of

TRT/HCG...coincidence?

> Re: 500 IU hCG QD too much, just right?

>

>

>,

>

>That sounds like the pattern I'm talking about, except after 5

>days I just went more mellow, not a sudden drop, but after 3

>weeks that's when I felt like I was PMS'ing again.

>

>My face is also redder a lot more these days. Is that relevant?

>

>WF

>

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>> My doctor had me doing 1cc (1000iu) every other day. At first I

>felt GREAT. No more anxiety, great libido, feeling of well being.

>That only lasted about 5 days then I started to have major anxiety, I

>think my E went too high. Thinking about trying 100iu every day.

>>

>> Dr .... .1cc (100iu) looks like such a tiny amount but

>maybe that's all it takes. Any thoughts?

>>

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[Guest guest]

Got a consult from the current doctor, he wants me to continue 500IU

hCG QD and now add half an Arimidex twice a week to lower estrogen.

We'll see how well that works. I'm glad he wants to lower estrogen,

I'm sick of the PMS stuff.

WF