Re: Hi everyone...new here with questions SM

[Guest guest]

Tell me more what dose and the name of the HCG also what are your levels along

with E2 Estradiol. Z is doing HCG everyday after talking to Dr. and

says he feels better but he still has to keep his E2 down.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

Good to hear a story with a happy ending!

My wife gets frustrated because I'm tired all the time and doesn't think I help

around the house enough. Then on top of that we have 5 kids running around,

can get tense here sometimes. I am doing daily HCG right now, has perked up my

libido but still no relief from the muscle/joint pain and fatigue.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Now that was some dam good advice. I was so sick I could not work my Dr.'s at

the time after much testing told me I suffered from Major Depression. After 5

yrs. and not any better the Dr. treating me for this told my wife and work I

liked being this way and will never change. I found out I had low T just after

that. But the damage was done. My wife turned into a monster lashing out at me

from every angle. One morning she through a knife on the foot of the bed and

told me " why don't you just kill your self " . Believe me our marriage got ugly

fast I was feeling better from being on TRT and fighting back big time. I could

not get past all the bad things she said to me when I was to sick to get to

work. No need to go into them. But we did end up in a divorce. The last straw

was when I asked her to see a marriage counselor and she told me I was nuts and

if I did not like the way she was treating me don't let the door hit me in the

ass. So I left and it got very ugly the things

she was saying about me in the divorce papers I could not believe. But when the

time came to sign the divorce papers her lawyer asked mine what would it take

for me to get back with my wife. Hell that was easy go into see a counselor.

This yr. we have been married 40 yrs. So if things we sore between you and your

husband get some help.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:52:55 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear Retrogrouch: Thank you so much for writing. This has been very

>helpful and reassuring...I was stressing that he might have a brain

>tumor.

>

>My husband is overweight (about 100 pounds) and has sleep apnea as

>well (on CPAP). I never realized that could contribute to his T

>problems.

>

>Yes, he has all of those symptoms you listed below...has had them for

>years. Not understanding why, I've been very frustrated and

>irritated over the years with him...thinking he was just lazy,

>selfish, unloving, etc. Now having read tons on the internet I

>understand a lot more about it. It is sort of a relief to finally

>have " an answer. " I guess the first step in correcting it.

>

>He had a cortisone shot a couple days ago, so his rheumatologist says

>he has to wait 12 days to get his new set of T tests...but I will be

>sure to post the results once the come back.

>

>Thank you for telling me about (Hi !). Of course I

>don't wish this on anyone, but it IS nice to know that I'm not all

>alone.

>

>I will get that book you suggested. My husband is really shy about

>all of this, but I know he wants to learn more and would appreciate

>reading the book too.

>

>Take care,

>

>Felicia

Be advised that when he starts on T he will likely get a surge of

energy and libido. In my case I wanted to get everything up and

running " properly " again in every aspect of my life.

This proved a problem for my wife. After a few years of the sort of

history you mentioned of anger and frustration with him for lack of

ambition, energy and lethargy, a lot of attitude had developed over

time. There was a lot of resentment, and a lot of passive aggressive

stuff from her end that with low T I just let roll by. But when well I

bounced back with my own resentment and anger and wanted a lot of

things fixed in our relationship and with her and right away!

Be forewarned, the bounce back is not all joy and libido. I recommend

some marital therapy as he starts on T. There's a lot of baggage this

condition accumulates and it took a good year or more for my wife to

let go her frustration and hang it on the illness instead of my

personal failings. She could do it intellectually but not emotionally.

And having energy drive and ambition I didn't have the patience to put

up with it. I wanted things fixed in all aspects of my life.

A good counselor and we worked it out and things are great, but you

can read here about spouses who left here AFTER the therapy and health

improvements. It changes things a lot, and even positive change can

prove hard in places. And the baggage for both is immense. Forewarned

is forearmed. Recognize it coming and your half way home.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I don't have an E2 test since being on HCG only, my last one was back in August

and my levels were still high even after being on Anastrozole 0.5 mg three times

a week.

This is from the ZRT lab saliva test from August:

Level 1.6 Range 0.5 - 1.5 pg/ml

August I started HCG 1000iu every other day, I now believe this was way too

much and drove my E2 up...but don't have the numbers to show it.

Starting this week I am using 100iu every day to see what happens.

Using CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN made by APP.

I changed pharmacy's and starting next week it will be Novarel made by Ferring.

Still taking Anastrozole 0.5 mg three times a week.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Tell me more what dose and the name of the HCG also what are your levels along

with E2 Estradiol. Z is doing HCG everyday after talking to Dr. and

says he feels better but he still has to keep his E2 down.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

Good to hear a story with a happy ending!

My wife gets frustrated because I'm tired all the time and doesn't think I help

around the house enough. Then on top of that we have 5 kids running around,

can get tense here sometimes. I am doing daily HCG right now, has perked up my

libido but still no relief from the muscle/joint pain and fatigue.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Now that was some dam good advice. I was so sick I could not work my Dr.'s at

the time after much testing told me I suffered from Major Depression. After 5

yrs. and not any better the Dr. treating me for this told my wife and work I

liked being this way and will never change. I found out I had low T just after

that. But the damage was done. My wife turned into a monster lashing out at me

from every angle. One morning she through a knife on the foot of the bed and

told me " why don't you just kill your self " . Believe me our marriage got ugly

fast I was feeling better from being on TRT and fighting back big time. I could

not get past all the bad things she said to me when I was to sick to get to

work. No need to go into them. But we did end up in a divorce. The last straw

was when I asked her to see a marriage counselor and she told me I was nuts and

if I did not like the way she was treating me don't let the door hit me in the

ass. So I left and it got very ugly the things

she was saying about me in the divorce papers I could not believe. But when the

time came to sign the divorce papers her lawyer asked mine what would it take

for me to get back with my wife. Hell that was easy go into see a counselor.

This yr. we have been married 40 yrs. So if things we sore between you and your

husband get some help.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:52:55 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear Retrogrouch: Thank you so much for writing. This has been very

>helpful and reassuring...I was stressing that he might have a brain

>tumor.

>

>My husband is overweight (about 100 pounds) and has sleep apnea as

>well (on CPAP). I never realized that could contribute to his T

>problems.

>

>Yes, he has all of those symptoms you listed below...has had them for

>years. Not understanding why, I've been very frustrated and

>irritated over the years with him...thinking he was just lazy,

>selfish, unloving, etc. Now having read tons on the internet I

>understand a lot more about it. It is sort of a relief to finally

>have " an answer. " I guess the first step in correcting it.

>

>He had a cortisone shot a couple days ago, so his rheumatologist says

>he has to wait 12 days to get his new set of T tests...but I will be

>sure to post the results once the come back.

>

>Thank you for telling me about (Hi !). Of course I

>don't wish this on anyone, but it IS nice to know that I'm not all

>alone.

>

>I will get that book you suggested. My husband is really shy about

>all of this, but I know he wants to learn more and would appreciate

>reading the book too.

>

>Take care,

>

>Felicia

Be advised that when he starts on T he will likely get a surge of

energy and libido. In my case I wanted to get everything up and

running " properly " again in every aspect of my life.

This proved a problem for my wife. After a few years of the sort of

history you mentioned of anger and frustration with him for lack of

ambition, energy and lethargy, a lot of attitude had developed over

time. There was a lot of resentment, and a lot of passive aggressive

stuff from her end that with low T I just let roll by. But when well I

bounced back with my own resentment and anger and wanted a lot of

things fixed in our relationship and with her and right away!

Be forewarned, the bounce back is not all joy and libido. I recommend

some marital therapy as he starts on T. There's a lot of baggage this

condition accumulates and it took a good year or more for my wife to

let go her frustration and hang it on the illness instead of my

personal failings. She could do it intellectually but not emotionally.

And having energy drive and ambition I didn't have the patience to put

up with it. I wanted things fixed in all aspects of my life.

A good counselor and we worked it out and things are great, but you

can read here about spouses who left here AFTER the therapy and health

improvements. It changes things a lot, and even positive change can

prove hard in places. And the baggage for both is immense. Forewarned

is forearmed. Recognize it coming and your half way home.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

I feel that taking .5 mgs of Arimidex 3 times a week on that high of a

dose of HCG should keep your E2 in check. Yet I was doing 150 mgs. of depo T

shots every week and 500 IU's of HCG. My E2 was going nuts I was taking .5 mgs

of Arimidex every other day and taking Indolplex/DIM 120 mgs. every day both of

them were what it took to keep my E2 in check. Now we lowed the hcg to 250 IU's

the 5th and 6th days after my T shot. I just started on this this week so we

will see if my high DHT of 2204 and my E2 comes down. I don't do saliva testing

just blood some here have tried them and did not like them. Dr. will not

use them. So I you like Z you my get by on lower then 100 IU's a day. I

feel you need to be tested blood testing every 4 weeks until you find the right

dose. And know you are not driving your E2 down to low or to high.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

I don't have an E2 test since being on HCG only, my last one was back in August

and my levels were still high even after being on Anastrozole 0.5 mg three times

a week.

This is from the ZRT lab saliva test from August:

Level 1.6 Range 0.5 - 1.5 pg/ml

August I started HCG 1000iu every other day, I now believe this was way too

much and drove my E2 up...but don't have the numbers to show it.

Starting this week I am using 100iu every day to see what happens.

Using CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN made by APP.

I changed pharmacy's and starting next week it will be Novarel made by Ferring.

Still taking Anastrozole 0.5 mg three times a week.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Tell me more what dose and the name of the HCG also what are your levels along

with E2 Estradiol. Z is doing HCG everyday after talking to Dr. and

says he feels better but he still has to keep his E2 down.

Phil

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Phil,

Good to hear a story with a happy ending!

My wife gets frustrated because I'm tired all the time and doesn't think I help

around the house enough. Then on top of that we have 5 kids running around,

can get tense here sometimes. I am doing daily HCG right now, has perked up my

libido but still no relief from the muscle/joint pain and fatigue.

Dave

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Now that was some dam good advice. I was so sick I could not work my Dr.'s at

the time after much testing told me I suffered from Major Depression. After 5

yrs. and not any better the Dr. treating me for this told my wife and work I

liked being this way and will never change. I found out I had low T just after

that. But the damage was done. My wife turned into a monster lashing out at me

from every angle. One morning she through a knife on the foot of the bed and

told me " why don't you just kill your self " . Believe me our marriage got ugly

fast I was feeling better from being on TRT and fighting back big time. I could

not get past all the bad things she said to me when I was to sick to get to

work. No need to go into them. But we did end up in a divorce. The last straw

was when I asked her to see a marriage counselor and she told me I was nuts and

if I did not like the way she was treating me don't let the door hit me in the

ass. So I left and it got very ugly the things

she was saying about me in the divorce papers I could not believe. But when the

time came to sign the divorce papers her lawyer asked mine what would it take

for me to get back with my wife. Hell that was easy go into see a counselor.

This yr. we have been married 40 yrs. So if things we sore between you and your

husband get some help.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:52:55 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear Retrogrouch: Thank you so much for writing. This has been very

>helpful and reassuring...I was stressing that he might have a brain

>tumor.

>

>My husband is overweight (about 100 pounds) and has sleep apnea as

>well (on CPAP). I never realized that could contribute to his T

>problems.

>

>Yes, he has all of those symptoms you listed below...has had them for

>years. Not understanding why, I've been very frustrated and

>irritated over the years with him...thinking he was just lazy,

>selfish, unloving, etc. Now having read tons on the internet I

>understand a lot more about it. It is sort of a relief to finally

>have " an answer. " I guess the first step in correcting it.

>

>He had a cortisone shot a couple days ago, so his rheumatologist says

>he has to wait 12 days to get his new set of T tests...but I will be

>sure to post the results once the come back.

>

>Thank you for telling me about (Hi !). Of course I

>don't wish this on anyone, but it IS nice to know that I'm not all

>alone.

>

>I will get that book you suggested. My husband is really shy about

>all of this, but I know he wants to learn more and would appreciate

>reading the book too.

>

>Take care,

>

>Felicia

Be advised that when he starts on T he will likely get a surge of

energy and libido. In my case I wanted to get everything up and

running " properly " again in every aspect of my life.

This proved a problem for my wife. After a few years of the sort of

history you mentioned of anger and frustration with him for lack of

ambition, energy and lethargy, a lot of attitude had developed over

time. There was a lot of resentment, and a lot of passive aggressive

stuff from her end that with low T I just let roll by. But when well I

bounced back with my own resentment and anger and wanted a lot of

things fixed in our relationship and with her and right away!

Be forewarned, the bounce back is not all joy and libido. I recommend

some marital therapy as he starts on T. There's a lot of baggage this

condition accumulates and it took a good year or more for my wife to

let go her frustration and hang it on the illness instead of my

personal failings. She could do it intellectually but not emotionally.

And having energy drive and ambition I didn't have the patience to put

up with it. I wanted things fixed in all aspects of my life.

A good counselor and we worked it out and things are great, but you

can read here about spouses who left here AFTER the therapy and health

improvements. It changes things a lot, and even positive change can

prove hard in places. And the baggage for both is immense. Forewarned

is forearmed. Recognize it coming and your half way home.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

I agree with Phil, he will feel so good he may want to take up professional

wrestling.

Kissie

Re: Hi everyone...new here with questions SM

If he gets on the right program you will have a new man on your hands.

Phil

MT_Wannabe <felicia1970_1@...> wrote:

Hi Philip! Thank you so much for your wonderfully informative post

and for sharing your story with me. It makes me very hopeful. I'm

so pleased that treatment worked for you and your wife. As a woman I

know how I have felt over the years, but now I am beginning to

understand how he must feel as well...probably depressed and

feeling " less " than a man. That makes me so sad for him...but,

fortunately now we are taking steps in the right direction.

So far he has only had one early morning testosterone, but he goes in

in a week to get the rest of the tests, so when we get those results,

I will post them here.

Thanks again..bye for now,

Felicia

Hi! My husband and I have

been experiencing sexual problems in our

> marriage for about 10 years. I have suspicioned over the years

that

> perhaps he had low testosterone. He never really took it

seriously.

> I began to feel sad, worried, filled with self doubts...wondering

if

> it were me (not attractive enough, too chubby, etc.). I feel like

> I've been married to my brother. I love my husband, but we have

not

> had a good, healthy sex life in over 10 years (not for lack of want

> on my part, which has been very difficult for me...him too I

suppose).

>

> Well, we just " celebrated " our 3-year anniversary of celibacy (woo

> hoo, what a celebration). I finally got fed up and told him we

> needed to figure out what was going on because I couldn't see

myself

> NOT having sex for the rest of my life (I'm 35 and he's 41). He

> reluctantly agreed to get checked.

>

> His testosterone level is 166. He goes back for a 2nd test (and a

> few more tests) in a week or so.

>

> Here are my questions:

> 1. For those of you who have/had similar testosterone levels, did

> testosterone treatment help improve your sex life, stamina,

strength,

> muscle mass, moods, etc.?

>

> 2. Is AndroGel just as effective as injections? I worry that he

> won't like the fluctuations in injections (high to low) and wonder

if

> gel would be a better choice for him.

>

> 3. What treatment have you found most helpful?

>

> 4. Finally, what can cause a man who had a normal healthy sex

drive

> to just lose it? I know it is low testosterone, but why would

> someone who was functioning fine just develop a low testosterone?

I

> guess my real question is, could it be a pituitary problem/tumor?

I

> know only imaging studies can answer that, but if a man does have a

> pituitary tumor and gets that treated, can his testosterone level

> return back to normal?

>

> Thanks so much for reading this and offering your advice.

>

> Felicia

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