Re: Androgel no longer effective for me after 8 months of use

[Guest guest]

Hey Mark - My experience was limited to androgel only - I too did not absorb the

compound well and swapped to shots. From what I read, testim delivers a higher

dosage than androgel but I would be concerned it is an absorption issue. If I

didn't feel results within 1-2 weeks, I would call the Doc back and say this

isn't working and I want to try shots if you can administer them to yourself.

Hopefully someone with more experience with testim will reply - this is just my

opinion.

Arkansas

invstri <Invstri@...> wrote:

I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel for months

and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8.. After

initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and things

were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a certain

percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel easy

to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me to

discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by the

human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are getting

crazy !

Mark

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[Guest guest]

Dan, that's the part thats most aggravating. When i first used

Androgel it worked great and i mean GREAT !!!!.. My total T was well

over 700 almost 800, my free T was almost 20.. Then gradually its

effects wore off. I just don't understand it. Well i will be trying

the Testim and see how that goes.

I had done shots in the late 1990s and that worked but

spontaneouslyafter 6 moths of use i was able to go off them until

last year when my ability to make enough T went away again. It

seems like a mystery sometimes. I was lucky and am able to inject

myself, it's no big deal.

thanks for your post.- Mark

> I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel

for months

> and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8..

After

> initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and

things

> were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

> effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a

certain

> percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel

easy

> to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

> strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me

to

> discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

> that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by

the

> human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

> but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

> anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

> worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are

getting

> crazy !

>

> Mark

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Do try Testim but make sure you rub it in well and let it dry before putting on

a shirt.

Phil

invstri <Invstri@...> wrote:

I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel for months

and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8.. After

initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and things

were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a certain

percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel easy

to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me to

discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by the

human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are getting

crazy !

Mark

[Guest guest]

When you first start using Androgel (Or any Testosterone) your testes

will still be functioning and puting out whatever they are still

capable of. Thus you have Androgel and your testicular output

combined. The signals controlling your testes will quickly sense the

external testosterone and shut your testes down. Then you have only

the Androgel working for you. Its at this point that many patients

need to up the dose as Androgel will be producing almost all your

Testosterone.

> > I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel

> for months

> > and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8..

> After

> > initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and

> things

> > were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

> > effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a

> certain

> > percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel

> easy

> > to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

> > strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me

> to

> > discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

> > that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by

> the

> > human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

> > but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

> > anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

> > worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are

> getting

> > crazy !

> >

> > Mark

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Phil, I have been using the Testim 5 since Saturday night , my doc

wants me to put it on at bedtime ( yes i know the advise is put it

on in AM after showring) well Mr. is back in the morning

already.. Not like when i was 20 years old mind you. But there is an

AM erection when i wake up in the morning. I don't notice any other

affects like libido yet, but i'm going to lift weights later today

and see how i feel. Maybe i will switch to putting it on in the AM,

the skin is nice and clean and probably would absorb better.

As far as going to shots i told the doctor's PA on Friday i didn't

mind doing shots and i am able to give them to myself. She was like

horrified that i would prefer the shots to the gels... I gotta tell

you i think it takes alot less time to give myself a shot once or

twice a week than spend 10 minutes a day rubbing in this gooey

stuff.And the testim is alot more gooey and smells compared to

Androgel.

thanks for your posts to my questions to all u members. It sure is a

relief to know you're not alone, and i remember bitching to my

doctor 18 years ago that something had gone drastically wrong and he

told me it was in my head and wanted to send me to a shrink...

Mark

> I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel for

months

> and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8..

After

> initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and

things

> were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

> effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a

certain

> percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel

easy

> to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

> strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me

to

> discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

> that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by

the

> human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

> but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

> anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

> worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are

getting

> crazy !

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Mark I say try the Testim for 4 months and see how it gose the reasion for

useing it in the morning is so you have it on long enough to shower at bedtime

so you don't get it on your wife.

Phil

invstri <Invstri@...> wrote:

Phil, I have been using the Testim 5 since Saturday night , my doc

wants me to put it on at bedtime ( yes i know the advise is put it

on in AM after showring) well Mr. is back in the morning

already.. Not like when i was 20 years old mind you. But there is an

AM erection when i wake up in the morning. I don't notice any other

affects like libido yet, but i'm going to lift weights later today

and see how i feel. Maybe i will switch to putting it on in the AM,

the skin is nice and clean and probably would absorb better.

As far as going to shots i told the doctor's PA on Friday i didn't

mind doing shots and i am able to give them to myself. She was like

horrified that i would prefer the shots to the gels... I gotta tell

you i think it takes alot less time to give myself a shot once or

twice a week than spend 10 minutes a day rubbing in this gooey

stuff.And the testim is alot more gooey and smells compared to

Androgel.

thanks for your posts to my questions to all u members. It sure is a

relief to know you're not alone, and i remember bitching to my

doctor 18 years ago that something had gone drastically wrong and he

told me it was in my head and wanted to send me to a shrink...

Mark

> I went for my latest blood work after using 7.5 Androgel for

months

> and my T levels were pathetic. Total T was 270, Free T was 6.8..

After

> initially using Androgel my T was 750 and free T was 17.8 and

things

> were working out pretty good. Then about 4 months ago, it lost its

> effectiveness little by little which they say happens with a

certain

> percentage of men ( and of course me !! LOL) So I found Androgel

easy

> to use and at first gained 3/4 inch in my biceps and incredible

> strength but that is all history now. So today my doctor wants me

to

> discontinue the Androgel and switch to Testim 5 tomorrow. I read

> that testim's testosterone is the exact same compound as made by

the

> human male, perhaps that would help??? I did offer to do the shots

> but for now they want me to try the testim. Has this happened to

> anyone else here ??? Where the initial Androgel response no longer

> worked ?? Well I hope this works because me and my wife are

getting

> crazy !

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Mark,

My gel (andro) was increased to 10 several

days ago. Generally I've put it on in the A.M

and do well all day. With the change in dose

I've decided to try half in the A.M and the other

half around 3-4 P.M. That way I still have time

for a shower before bed without interfering with

the gel's action. So far the split dose is making

a nice transition and I'm seeing improvement

from the 5mg dose.

When I went to the split dose I talked about it with

my Physician. He asked for my rationale on a split

dose because it " won't follow the natural rhythm of

things " that way. My answer is simple...neither do I!

My job requires me to be up and at em anytime of the

day or night so my " natural rhythm " is not what is

considered normal anyway. I thought by doing a late

dose I'd be more likely to mimic what my body has

done for 30 years. Sounded good to me! The Doc looked

at me goofy then realized it made sense. I left his office

with him pondering the effects of profession / work hours

on a man's natural rhythm and the more obvious...pot

bellied EMS/PD and Firefighters..LOL! Hope the night

dosing works well for you.

Be Safe, (fire56)

[Guest guest]

you are a Gem to this group.

Phil

Vickie or <plp40@...> wrote:

Mark,

My gel (andro) was increased to 10 several

days ago. Generally I've put it on in the A.M

and do well all day. With the change in dose

I've decided to try half in the A.M and the other

half around 3-4 P.M. That way I still have time

for a shower before bed without interfering with

the gel's action. So far the split dose is making

a nice transition and I'm seeing improvement

from the 5mg dose.

When I went to the split dose I talked about it with

my Physician. He asked for my rationale on a split

dose because it " won't follow the natural rhythm of

things " that way. My answer is simple...neither do I!

My job requires me to be up and at em anytime of the

day or night so my " natural rhythm " is not what is

considered normal anyway. I thought by doing a late

dose I'd be more likely to mimic what my body has

done for 30 years. Sounded good to me! The Doc looked

at me goofy then realized it made sense. I left his office

with him pondering the effects of profession / work hours

on a man's natural rhythm and the more obvious...pot

bellied EMS/PD and Firefighters..LOL! Hope the night

dosing works well for you.

Be Safe, (fire56)

[Guest guest]

, i have been Androgel since late last year , and at first with

spectacular results. But the last 4-5 months have been miserable. My

blood work shows i am not getting any testosterone from it. They

suspect i am one of those men who at first respond to the gel, then

for no reason after months no longer - absorb- reject - or just

plain don't respond to the gel anymore. So after conferrring with

my doc, theyu switched me to Testim 5 last week, so far i'm not

lighting up the 3 pointers yet , but i have started to respond

slightly. As i posted my PA was horrifed that i would consider

giving myself injections which i have done in the past. Oh well, i

guess these drug companies have sold them hook line and sinker on

these new gels.

I really don't give a crap what I -- (take your pick)

1. rub on

2 stick on

3 inject in

AS LONG AS IT WORKS LOL

Mark

>

> Mark,

> My gel (andro) was increased to 10 several

> days ago. Generally I've put it on in the A.M

> and do well all day. With the change in dose

> I've decided to try half in the A.M and the other

> half around 3-4 P.M. That way I still have time

> for a shower before bed without interfering with

> the gel's action. So far the split dose is making

> a nice transition and I'm seeing improvement

> from the 5mg dose.

>

> When I went to the split dose I talked about it with

> my Physician. He asked for my rationale on a split

> dose because it " won't follow the natural rhythm of

> things " that way. My answer is simple...neither do I!

> My job requires me to be up and at em anytime of the

> day or night so my " natural rhythm " is not what is

> considered normal anyway. I thought by doing a late

> dose I'd be more likely to mimic what my body has

> done for 30 years. Sounded good to me! The Doc looked

> at me goofy then realized it made sense. I left his office

> with him pondering the effects of profession / work hours

> on a man's natural rhythm and the more obvious...pot

> bellied EMS/PD and Firefighters..LOL! Hope the night

> dosing works well for you.

> Be Safe, (fire56)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mark,

Yeah, I read your gel aversion..dumb luck eh?

I was just relaying my A.M. / P. M. application

of gels is all, since you mentioned the P.M.

directions from your Doc. Hopefully the Testim

will work better than AG did. Feeling well

is always a good thing.

If I were a daytime worker and generally slept at

night, I'd use the recommended A.M. application.

Why it's A.M when it leaves the body at it's lowest

levels by morning is a mystery but, that's the package

directions I guess. Supposedly that's the right way.

If I worked nights I'd do a night application and so

on. I decided to try both since I work 24's, 9-11

days a month and often respond to fires or other

related duties on off days. Talk about screwing with

mother nature...my hormones can't tell night from day!

I'm not looking to turn back the hands of time nor am I

interested in living to be a hundred. Body building is not

for me unless its a car body and these gray hairs are

mine all mine! I am mainly in to a good quality of life where

I feel like myself again. So far splitting my dose is working

out but it's early to be an actual advocate.

Good Luck,

[Guest guest]

Mark,

My two cents: I tried the gels, had absorpotion problems, then

switched to a weekly self-injection of testosterone cypionate. I find

the shots to be very easy, not painful, and much more convenient. I

do mine into my thigh using a 25 gauge 1 " needle.

Kind regards,

Eugene