Re: What Are Pelletts?

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You need to have them put in your back side by a Dr. this site is good.

http://www.sottopelletherapy.com/

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Phil

From: bigskinner & lt;bigskinner@... & gt;

Subject: What Are Pelletts?

Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 3:46 PM

Can someone tell me " pelletts " are and if they help with e.d., is

there a site for purchase? Thanks.

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Best thing is to read the internet resources also.

Hormone in crystal form that gradually dissolves 24/7 for 4 months

typically. This hormone is exactly the same chemically as human hormone.

Only compounding pharmacies can manufacture this because of some laws

that pharmaceutical houses are excluded. As a result there is not a

lot of competition, no advertising and many sources.

In my humble opinion, pharmaceutical houses do not want doctors to

know anything about this form of therapy and create controversy to

ward off this less expensive form of hormone therapy. It is superior

for women who have had hysterectomies or post menopausal with

progesterone for 7 days each month.

Studies keep fogging the issue with very small changes in results that

are not easily due to hormones but such things as health issues in the

group being studied like eating habits, obesity, age, smoking and

drinking, other health problems and family health histories, stress

levels in their lives, whether before or after menopause, etc.

These are inserted under the skin using a trocar, tubular with a sharp

chisel tip. The pelles are inserted up to 10 at a time into the center

tube and shoved under the skin into fatty tissue on the side below the

belt line to dissolve. I get 20 - 75 mg pellets every 4 months.

Read this tutorial type web site which has some details.

http://members.aol.com/natrajan9/index.htm

The following doctors provide hormone pellet therapy.

D. Natrajan, Augusta, GA

Dr. Lovell, Baton Rouge, LA

Dr. Charlton R. , Laurel, MS

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Can some of you on pellets tell us what your estradio numbers and

free testosterone measurements are? I would have thought that have T

released in fatty tissue would lead to a lot of aromatization that

changes T into estradiol.

Tom

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Hi Tom,

My TRT began in 1991 long before there was much known about T being

converted to E2. I believe this came to light in the last 10 years or

less.

As I have the same concerns about E2 being a problem, I asked my

endocrinologist about the possibility I needed a test for E2. This was

his explanation.

He said, no, the reason our body converts T to E2 is because the

hormone regulation system within the body reacts to sudden changes in

levels of hormone. When the level is seen to be above the normal

expected by the regulation system after an injection, it reacts for a

period and converts T to E2. I should not have the same problem as my

pellets dissolve at the same slow rate 24/7 for about 4 months.

Those receiving injections cause a sudden level change above the

body's current level of T. The longer between injections, the greater

change in level is seen. Those injecting twice or three times per week

will have less of a problem with converstion to E2. This does not mean

an increase in the total mg per week is needed, it just means

spreading the 100mg/week into 3 injections or more. This is painful of

course.

Now for another instance when there is high E2. Some men do have a

problem with E2 being high for other reasons, I have been told. This

has been born out by testing and relief has been obtained by treating

that without being involved in TRT. This problem is something I have

no information on.

ernestnolan

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I wish this were true but it's not many men at MESO went on pellets and still

have to take arimdex to keep there Estradiol down. & nbsp; I am not knocking your

Endo but this is not true. & nbsp; Just read this link older men not on TRT and

some younger ones have very high Estradiol levels and this is the cause of there

low T levels.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

There are lot of men on a higher dose of T shots and don't have Estradiol

problems. & nbsp; There is no cookie cutter recipe on this.

Co-Moderator & amp;quot;Don & amp;#39;t believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. & amp;quot;

Phil

From: ernestnolan & lt;ernestnolan@... & gt;

Subject: Re: What Are Pelletts?

Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:53 AM

Hi Tom,

My TRT began in 1991 long before there was much known about T being

converted to E2. I believe this came to light in the last 10 years or

less.

As I have the same concerns about E2 being a problem, I asked my

endocrinologist about the possibility I needed a test for E2. This was

his explanation.

He said, no, the reason our body converts T to E2 is because the

hormone regulation system within the body reacts to sudden changes in

levels of hormone. When the level is seen to be above the normal

expected by the regulation system after an injection, it reacts for a

period and converts T to E2. I should not have the same problem as my

pellets dissolve at the same slow rate 24/7 for about 4 months.

Those receiving injections cause a sudden level change above the

body's current level of T. The longer between injections, the greater

change in level is seen. Those injecting twice or three times per week

will have less of a problem with converstion to E2. This does not mean

an increase in the total mg per week is needed, it just means

spreading the 100mg/week into 3 injections or more. This is painful of

course.

Now for another instance when there is high E2. Some men do have a

problem with E2 being high for other reasons, I have been told. This

has been born out by testing and relief has been obtained by treating

that without being involved in TRT. This problem is something I have

no information on.

ernestnolan

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Hi,

I think you may have given me the wrong web site.

I did not find " many men at MESO went on pellets and still have to

take arimdex to keep there Estradiol down. " I saw there was no mention

of subjects in the study involved with this form of therapy.

To the best of my read, this data involved the effect of adding only

arimdex without any TRT involved. There was cricisizm of the various

forms of therapy types .

The conclusion was described as not very significant effects even

though the level of T went up to some degree in these 37 men.

If there is a study that shows estrogen levels go up when testosterone

pellet therapy is provided, I would be glad to see these results. I do

not know of any study that showed this result. I must admit I have

never seen any study on this.

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If you're interested in pellets here's a site for you:

_http://www.sottopelletherapy.com/index.html_

(http://www.sottopelletherapy.com/index.html)

There are trained doctors in about 28 states (see sight for doctors in your

state under physicians)

These pellets are not testosterone but are a bio identical and made from

natural plants (soy). I can guarantee you they work.

I've been on the pellets for over a year now and found this to be the best

form of therapy. Before this I was on HCG for 15 years. It worked fine and

raised my testosterone (I'm secondary hypogonadism) to around 800 but taking

shots 3 times a week was a pain. I also experienced an up and down fluctuation

every 3 days that was sometimes unpleasant.

The implant is really painless and takes about 10 minutes. You will have a

sore lump for about a week. For me the pellets last about 3 months. The cost

varies depending on the doctor. I get about 10 double pellets at

$60.00 per pellet plus $250 charge to implant them. Blood test range around

$150.00 every time you get them so the total costs me about $1000.00 every 3

months. Unfortunately this seems to be the most expensive form of therapy. You

will also have to take Arimidex but in very low doses (1 MG per week - 1

pill = 1 mg). 30 pills will cost about $225.00 but will last you 8 1/2 months.

The amount of pellets is based on your testosterone level without added

treatments. Mine was only 250 so I need a lot of pellets. The goal of Sottopelle

is to get your testosterone levels up to 800 - 1100, keeping your free T high

and your esterol low.

If your natural T is higher this will cost you much less and I've researched

other doctors who charge less for pellets. It pays to do some research.

Hope this helps,

Jim

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I am sorry I don't have the time to read all the posts 138 of them to show you

there were men on pellets and need to keep there E2 down. & nbsp; I am a mod at 5

sites and I am finding at times I can't keep up. & nbsp; & nbsp; Here is a study of

older men not on testosterone meds that have low testosterone do to high levels

of Estradiol and just getting it down there T levels went up. & nbsp; Now if man

older are having high Estradiol problems and not on TRT or pellets what more

proof would you need. & nbsp; It's a big problem even for men not doing

testosterone. & nbsp; So why would you and your Endo feel this is not a

problem. & nbsp; Also if I remember right you never had your Estradiol tested your

Dr.'s is not up on this problems most are not.

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I am finding men even younger men are not feeling well getting tested for Total

and Free T with LH and FSH and they are finding they are low on all 4 tests so

Dr.'s are not doing more testing and just putting them on TRT. & nbsp; Yet we now

know if your Estradiol is high your brain can't tell the difference and will

think it's Testosterone and stop sending the LH and FSH messages to the testis

to make more T. & nbsp; Dr.'s are thinking this these young men are Secondary yet

they don't bother to test the Estradiol.

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I just got done posting to a young man that tested like this and after some time

posting back and forth I find out he started drinking SOY MILK this puts a none

working marker in the cells that looks like Estradiol and BAM he has low

Testosterone. & nbsp; All he needs to do and did was to take some Indolplex/DIM

and stop the SOY MILK. & nbsp; Now doing this just one week he is feeling better

and stopped the DIM.

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Estradiol is every where in are meat they pump the cows full of E's so they hold

water and weigh more. & nbsp; Estradiol is in the plastic bottles we drink water

and pop from and it gets in to are food from sprays that are put on Veg's and

Fruit we eat it's every where.

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http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Co-Moderator & amp;quot;Don & amp;#39;t believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. & amp;quot;

Phil

From: ernestnolan & lt;ernestnolan@... & gt;

Subject: Re: What Are Pelletts?

Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 9:15 PM

Hi,

I think you may have given me the wrong web site.

I did not find " many men at MESO went on pellets and still have to

take arimdex to keep there Estradiol down. " I saw there was no mention

of subjects in the study involved with this form of therapy.

To the best of my read, this data involved the effect of adding only

arimdex without any TRT involved. There was cricisizm of the various

forms of therapy types .

The conclusion was described as not very significant effects even

though the level of T went up to some degree in these 37 men.

If there is a study that shows estrogen levels go up when testosterone

pellet therapy is provided, I would be glad to see these results. I do

not know of any study that showed this result. I must admit I have

never seen any study on this.

ernestnolan

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Now your doing good on them I called the same people in my state and they told

me they would not give me the amount I need and your taking about what I

need. & nbsp; Also the cost is very high I tried them some 15 yrs. ago the Dr.

that gave me them gave me pellets he used for women. & nbsp; I was told this would

last me 4 to 6 months I crashed in 4 weeks payed this Dr. more money to give me

more and my levels fell in 4 weeks. & nbsp; I told him it feels like my levels are

falling and he told me I am Depressed WTF that was a lot of money to learn a

hard lesson about doing pellets. & nbsp; The Dam Dr. here in my state for

SottoPelle will not give he half of what I need and had the nerve to tell me I

would need to come in and get them every 8 weeks at that cost it all a big con.

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Here in my state the Dr.'s that do pellets rip you off and they go out of

business as fast as they go into it.

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I am sick of the shots too I do my Depo T shots every 3 days and my HCG the 2

days each in between my T shots so I do a shot everyday.

Co-Moderator & amp;quot;Don & amp;#39;t believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. & amp;quot;

Phil

From: TheTallMan@... & lt;TheTallMan@... & gt;

Subject: Re: What Are Pelletts?

Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 1:27 PM

If you're interested in pellets here's a site for you:

_http://www.sottopel letherapy. com/index. html_ (http://www.sottopel letherapy.

com/index. html)

There are trained doctors in about 28 states (see sight for doctors in your

state under physicians)

These pellets are not testosterone but are a bio identical and made from

natural plants (soy). I can guarantee you they work.

I've been on the pellets for over a year now and found this to be the best

form of therapy. Before this I was on HCG for 15 years. It worked fine and

raised my testosterone (I'm secondary hypogonadism) to around 800 but taking

shots 3 times a week was a pain. I also experienced an up and down fluctuation

every 3 days that was sometimes unpleasant.

The implant is really painless and takes about 10 minutes. You will have a

sore lump for about a week. For me the pellets last about 3 months. The cost

varies depending on the doctor. I get about 10 double pellets at

$60.00 per pellet plus $250 charge to implant them. Blood test range around

$150.00 every time you get them so the total costs me about $1000.00 every 3

months. Unfortunately this seems to be the most expensive form of therapy. You

will also have to take Arimidex but in very low doses (1 MG per week - 1

pill = 1 mg). 30 pills will cost about $225.00 but will last you 8 1/2 months.

The amount of pellets is based on your testosterone level without added

treatments. Mine was only 250 so I need a lot of pellets. The goal of Sottopelle

is to get your testosterone levels up to 800 - 1100, keeping your free T high

and your esterol low.

If your natural T is higher this will cost you much less and I've researched

other doctors who charge less for pellets. It pays to do some research.

Hope this helps,

Jim

************ **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

(http://food. aol.com/tyler- florence? video=4? & amp; NCID=aolfod00030 000000002)

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Hi Philip,

I agree high E2 is a big problem with men not taking T or especially

those receiving injections of T. I am not aware of any information on

high E2 with those receiving hormone pellets.

I inquired and was told by a world renouned endocrinologist, it is

unheard of with men due to the pellets. If there is a problem with E2

it is due to something else.

He did not give me a study to read either.

You are right, I have never been tested for high E2. I have never

felt miserable since starting TRT.

ernestnolan

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