Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

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Was things better before you started the Restandol?

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:Dan,

It is quite simnple;

I posted a thread about my results- " this thread " - four times before

anyone responded.

I have since had people hijack it to talk, argue and discuse

everything from the effects of modern lifestyle and how it causes

hypogonadism to the abilities of a given doctor- to the defence of

indicated slighted doctor.

It is just a total joke.

Lets say you post a thread asking for people to help you out by

giving their opinions on your TRT, but your posts are mostly ignored

and then used to talk about all and sundry which has no baring at

all on why you started the thread.

Understand?

P.S

Yea I'm finding things difficult which was why I wanted peoples

opinions in the first place.

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Yes.

It seems to me as someone else mentioned that it managed to shut

down my HPTA for the most part via that lower endogenous T, up my E2

and not adequately replace T which was its original job.

I just wanted other peoples opinions of Restandol, of my results and

thoughts on why it would have been quite so bad.

Ive been off treatment for about a month and am awaiting the arrival

of a prescription for testosterone cyprionate (virormone).

I was bad on testogel and testim, DHT gel and HCG.

I seem to have pretty bad E2 issues- I have had liver cancre and the

though is by my gastroenterologist that I might not be metabolizing

the estradiol properly.

Arimidex and DIM have been tried and many varied doses with testim

and testogel but with little succes.

I started out great of testogel but went down hill- within six month

being worse than prior to TRT.

I'm hoping that 150mgs of testosterone cyprionate three times a week

will be better than the gels.

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Sounds to me like the phantom basher that existed on this Board - as

well as some other Boards. Joe Ferry? Or was it Joe Ferries? Yeah, I

think that it was Joe Ferries...

He posted briefly (back in August), got very venomous and started

attacking regular testosterone replacement therapy protocols - AND Dr

Crisler - and then disappeared... just like on other Boards.

Didn't " Maxzax " (on the MESO Board) track down that this Jack

account weas opened on just as recently as October 10th, 2005?

Not sure which is scarier.... the profound lack of factual info or the

emotional issue(s)....

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:49:52 -0000, you wrote:

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YIKES!

100mg, ONCE a week is what most people do.

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Are you sure you meant 150 mg shot 3 times a week? That is 3 times or more what

most use. If E2 is an issue, it seems like that would drive it out the roof.

Arkansas

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Yes.

It seems to me as someone else mentioned that it managed to shut

down my HPTA for the most part via that lower endogenous T, up my E2

and not adequately replace T which was its original job.

I just wanted other peoples opinions of Restandol, of my results and

thoughts on why it would have been quite so bad.

Ive been off treatment for about a month and am awaiting the arrival

of a prescription for testosterone cyprionate (virormone).

I was bad on testogel and testim, DHT gel and HCG.

I seem to have pretty bad E2 issues- I have had liver cancre and the

though is by my gastroenterologist that I might not be metabolizing

the estradiol properly.

Arimidex and DIM have been tried and many varied doses with testim

and testogel but with little succes.

I started out great of testogel but went down hill- within six month

being worse than prior to TRT.

I'm hoping that 150mgs of testosterone cyprionate three times a week

will be better than the gels.

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I'm pretty i'll at the moment having been off of treatment and

concentration is not what it should be hence my mistake.

It is 50mgs three times a week- a total of 150mg a week.

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Concentration is bad at the moment off of treatment- it is 50mgs

three times a week- total 150mgs a week.

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Your gastroenterologist may very well be right in that damage to your

liver is hindering the metabolizing of the E2 (and other estrogens for

that matter - have you had Total Es checked?). Not sure what the

answer to that would be.

What was the dosage of Arimidex and how long were you on it?

Also, when you were taking DIM, did you take TMG along with it? It is

my understanding that TMG helps the DIM in metabolizing the E2 to the

good Es, helps metabolize the E2 (and other Es) out of the system, and

is something of an " all-around " liver protectant... but in your case,

not sure if that would help.

Also, did you mean to say 150 mg of Test Cyp three times weekly (THREE)???

That would be a humongous amount for TRT, and in fact would be much

more in line with AAS rather than TRT! Not only would that much Test

Cyp weekly cause supraphysiological levels of Total T and Free T, but

also likely highly elevated levels of DHT... and even more (much more)

of problems with your E2.

Maybe you meant 150 mg of Test Cyp once weekly? Or 50 mg of Test Cyp

three times weekly??

Larry

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yes this acct was opened as recently as oct 10th. i opened it under

a different acct as my wife to be shares my other id. wife to

be shares my other acct. she's dr in internal medicine and

doesn't think i should be getting my info from this forum...though

she's come around.

so, no im not a previous basher. and i don't have emotional issues.

i hope no one thinks im venomous..and i haven't attacked anyone.

just don't think ppl should be taking other's

suggestions/recommendations on treatment w/out proper Dr approval.

getting meds offshore w/out prescriptions is unwise.

no matter how much u read on the internet or hear from others does

not make one smarter than a certified endocronologist...last i

remember they weren't just giving those licenses out.

in any case, did Joe Ferries apologize? well i did so relax.

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I do 125mg per week of enanthate. So you are only doing 25mg more than

I do. I take back what I said about 150 being close to a cycle. If it

was 150mg three times a week, now that's a cycle. I forgot where I saw

it, but there was a clinical trial where elderly men were placed on 50,

125, 250 or 300 per week. Maximal benefit vs adverse effects was at

125mg/ week. I am half the age of the men in the study, so I do not

worry about what I am doing.

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That's a pretty good steroid cycle.

Regards,

Dr. Crisler, DO

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Re: Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:49:52 -0000, you wrote:

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>I'm hoping that 150mgs of testosterone cyprionate three times a week

>will be better than the gels.

YIKES!

100mg, ONCE a week is what most people do.

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Just another albino black sheep

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BTW, he's no longer a phantom.

Regards,

Dr. Crisler, DO

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Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

Sounds to me like the phantom basher that existed on this Board - as

well as some other Boards. Joe Ferry? Or was it Joe Ferries? Yeah, I

think that it was Joe Ferries...

He posted briefly (back in August), got very venomous and started

attacking regular testosterone replacement therapy protocols - AND Dr

Crisler - and then disappeared... just like on other Boards.

Didn't " Maxzax " (on the MESO Board) track down that this Jack

account weas opened on just as recently as October 10th, 2005?

Not sure which is scarier.... the profound lack of factual info or the

emotional issue(s)....

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Seriously!

Can you take this out of my thread.

How many times do people need to be told.

I created this thread for a reason- not so people could have an

argument in it and discuss any old crap.

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Hi Larry,

Thanks for the post- same goes for the other guys (amazing that I'm

actually getting a response to MY thread as opposed to hearing about

slighted doctors, diets, the possible causes of hypogonadism and the

accounts of imposters causing problems- shakes head).

I have E2 checked. I had Estrone checked and was near the top of

the range even when E2 was low- I have not had total estrogens,

progesterone or estrone sulphate checked.

All my underarm hair has fallen out on TRT, my pubic hair has become

sparse, gynecomastia got a lot worse and I have increased female

weight distribution, I have no libido at all and erection problems.

I also have a fixed point rash.

I tied differing doses of Arimidex with differing doses of testogel.

Basically all permutations were covered. Everything from 0.5 once a

week to 0.5 once a day.

It has been tried for six months plus.

I tried the same with DIM with Indolplex, differing permutations,

from quarter of a tablet every two days to one tablet every day.

I have had E2 ranging from 130pmol- 37.5pg/ml in US terms to

11.5pg/ml. Typically the level is 33.2pg/ml.

Even where the E2 level has been very good around the 25pg/ml mark I

have been pretty bad. But I know that maybe due to the basic level

itself not giving a true picture of what is going on with the livers

ability to metabolize estrogens.

Surfice to say- Arimidex or DIM has not really been an answer for me

at any dosage.

I have never taken TMG- but really wonder about the effectiveness of

such nutrients.

Some of them seem to be appealing to peoples hopes without evidence

of effectivness- a bit of a P.T Barnum situation- with a sucker

being born every minute.

My concentration is very bad at the minute having been off all

treatment for the last three weeks- I made a slip.

What I meant to say is the dosage of the testosterone cyprionate is

50mgs 2-3 times a week.

I'm hoping that it might convert less to estrogens generally than

testogel. Carruthers states in Androgen Deficiency In The Adult Male

that Testogel converts to estrogens more than many other treatments

and from my understanding from patient reports more than low dose

injectables.

I'm hoping that this will work with a more limited need for anti

estrogens/aromatase inhibitors.

So far I have been on (all of which have failed to one degree or

another);

Testogel, Testim, Andractim DHT gel, Androcream, HCG.

I was far better before I ever took TRT and but I reached a point of

no return after taking it because no matter how long I have stopped

taking it for I have never felt as good as I did before taking it.

And even then I was hardly good before hand- I obviously went on it

because I felt pretty rotten to start with.

Another issue I have is osteo problems.

I feel I need to find the right treatment and not stop treatment

long-term because I also have osteopenia.

Almost osteoporosis in my spine (Bone density is -2 with Osteopenia

being -1 to -2.5 and Osteoporosis is -2.5....so I almost have

osteoporosis and I also have osteocondritis in one of my arms.

I think the testosterone deficnecy has been there for many years and

caused these degenerative conditions and I do not want them to get

any worse....so I think I must find the right treatment if I can.

It is all very hard because my situation is not straightforward and

every doctor that I have ever seen gives up on me sooner or later

when they can't find easy answers.

I keep getting treated like it is my fault when the treatments don't

work.

Anyway I will be on this treatment tomorrow so I guess I will see

how it goes.

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Chis try just a 100 mgs. every week and go up from there as you have your levels

checked.

Phil

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Yes.

It seems to me as someone else mentioned that it managed to shut

down my HPTA for the most part via that lower endogenous T, up my E2

and not adequately replace T which was its original job.

I just wanted other peoples opinions of Restandol, of my results and

thoughts on why it would have been quite so bad.

Ive been off treatment for about a month and am awaiting the arrival

of a prescription for testosterone cyprionate (virormone).

I was bad on testogel and testim, DHT gel and HCG.

I seem to have pretty bad E2 issues- I have had liver cancre and the

though is by my gastroenterologist that I might not be metabolizing

the estradiol properly.

Arimidex and DIM have been tried and many varied doses with testim

and testogel but with little succes.

I started out great of testogel but went down hill- within six month

being worse than prior to TRT.

I'm hoping that 150mgs of testosterone cyprionate three times a week

will be better than the gels.

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Yea thanks Phil,

I was thinking the same thing.

The difficulty in the UK is we often have to walk a tightrope in

avoiding docs controlling our meds as they see fit.

I have to be careful, if I have 100mgs and don't feel great but then

get bloods and the numbers look ok they might try and play the

numbers game.

So I think I have to make things a little more difficult for myself

to try and ensure the treatment is trying properly.

That is go on 50mgs twice a week which equals the 100mgs and if well

get bloods, if Ill don't get the bloods as that could afford an

excuse as to not trying a higher dosage. That way I could try 150

if 100 doesn't work and then have bloods taken on it.

In the UK sometimes the patient has to behave in a Machiavelian

fashion in order to get anywhere.

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Chris:

You do not TELL other people what to do here. You do not own either this

Forum or this thread. If you cannot handle actions in a public Forum, then

either get used to it, or quit asking others for free advice. You DO have

anger issues, as someone else has noted. Be a gentleman, come on.

Regards,

Dr. Crisler, DO

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Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

Seriously!

Can you take this out of my thread.

How many times do people need to be told.

I created this thread for a reason- not so people could have an

argument in it and discuss any old crap.

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I thought cypionate had a long enough life in the body to make more than

once per week dosing not necessary.

I don't mind daily stabbing in the belly or tricep with insulin needles,

but damn...three times per week in the thigh with those long test

needles seems a bit masochistic to me.

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You can inject test cyp (or enanthate) once per week. On day 5 and day 6 of

the week add in 250IU of HCG subQ. That will even things out with respect to

serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate )or enanthate)

ester.

Regards,

Dr. Crisler, DO

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Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

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Hi Dave,

I'm restricted by the NHS guidelines in the UK.

It is crazy here.

Even if I felt good on 100mgs say- I would not be allowed that once

a week as the guidelines state 50mgs two-three times a week so there

isn't much I can do about it.

Luckily i'm not bothered by injections.

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It is a question of etiquette and you more than anyone should know

this.

I have posted a thread in order to try and get help and advice, if

you want to argue with each other then can you PLEASE start your own

thread instead of clutering mine.

You are getting in the way of me getting the help and advice that I

have come here for and that isa not on.

Please argue elsewhere.

It isn't hard to create a thread please go and do that and argue

till your hearts content.

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you have gone throuh hell in your life and I pray that you find the best

treatment. I have and it took me 21 yrs. but now that things are working life

is so dam good.

Thank you aging Dr. .

Phil

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Yea thanks Phil,

I was thinking the same thing.

The difficulty in the UK is we often have to walk a tightrope in

avoiding docs controlling our meds as they see fit.

I have to be careful, if I have 100mgs and don't feel great but then

get bloods and the numbers look ok they might try and play the

numbers game.

So I think I have to make things a little more difficult for myself

to try and ensure the treatment is trying properly.

That is go on 50mgs twice a week which equals the 100mgs and if well

get bloods, if Ill don't get the bloods as that could afford an

excuse as to not trying a higher dosage. That way I could try 150

if 100 doesn't work and then have bloods taken on it.

In the UK sometimes the patient has to behave in a Machiavelian

fashion in order to get anywhere.

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Dave,

I am wanting to become a patient of Dr. . I don't have the money to go

to his clinic cause I am a full time student right now. Are you a virtual

patient?? I have written him an E-mail yesterday asking to become a virtual

patient but no answer so far. I ahve heard he doesn't take virtual patients

anymore but on the website there is a pricelist for a virtual patient. Just

wondering if you are virtual or if you go to see him?

TIA

Savario

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Sorry that I hadn't got back to you before this.

Am I understanding that you are just starting the 50mg Test Cyp x 3

weekly? If that's so then we have yet to see your results from that

protocol, correct?

Can you post your actual Lab test results from different time points?

To tell you the truth (and I am strictly a layman who is educating

himself to this whole business), I find your situation simply baffling.

Larry

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Wow. Had never realized the differences with the practice of Medicine

in the UK. Was myself going to suggest the HcG protocol, but that's

out now.

And I see your problem with getting test results.

Well, guess we'll have to hang in there and hope that the 50 mg of

Test Cyp x 3 weekly will do it.....

Larry

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