Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

[Guest guest]

with LH so low do you have a pituatory issue? what's ur prolactin level?

prolactin is what tells the LH to tell the Testes to produce Testosterone. If

you have a pituatory tumor your prolactin is getting blocked and thus the LH

levels are lowered thinking you don't need to make Testosterone. If pituatory

was fine..then LH should be normal range..and if you have testicular failure

your LH would be out of range on the high side...cuz it's telling your testes to

make T and if your testes are failing the LH will keep rising till the testes

produce.

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:LH 2.2IU/L

Testosterone 250ng/dl

Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Opinions anyone?

>

> LH 2.2IU/L

> Testosterone 250ng/dl

> Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

>

> I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Talking to myself apparently no one gives a hoot.

> >

> > LH 2.2IU/L

> > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> >

> > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

Well, yeah, it sucks. But it isn't that surprising for that drug. I

heard similar things from others. Switch back to another method.

This was oral undecanoate, correct?

Brad

[Guest guest]

>From: " chis_az " <chis_az@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:25:25 -0000

>

>Opinions anyone?

>

>

>

> >

> > LH 2.2IU/L

> > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> >

> > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these test results

>others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can take these

>results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference ranges

>which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I now know what not to try. The Restandol is doing a bang-up job of

shutting your HPTA down and raising your E2. It is lowering your

total T. I can imagine how much of a pain it is to take a huge

capsule with a meal 4x per day. I also know how much all of this

costs. Restandol is not cheap. $100USD buys me 40 weeks of

Testosterone enanthate. Yes I have to shoot myself in the thigh

every week, but Restandol appears to be a true pain in the ass. No

thanks.

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

test results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

take these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference

ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

its all diet and life style. you never saw so many fat people 30 - 40 years ago,

did you. 90% of he people that have ED or libido problems also have a high

percentage of body fat. if you took out the over worked / steressed, obese and

ex heavy steriod users none of this would make the news. of cource there are

some that have a legit medical problem that is genetic or would have occered

regardless of his actions and would benifit from TRT or a form of HRT but he is

the very rare individual. most of the doctors that specialize in this type of

medicine like to think they are so cleaver and so cuting edge like they have

discovered something unique, what crap. everything they talk about was

researched through trial, error and hard knocks in the bodybuilding crowd. these

doc's would like you to believe that this is some how such a wholistic approach

and they are correcting the route problem, again crap. the vast majority of

people receiving testosterone are only being treated for their

symtoms that arrive from what we do and what we eat. most fast food chains /

big food manufacturers should be hung for the problems they have created.

wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote:

I now know what not to try. The Restandol is doing a bang-up job of

shutting your HPTA down and raising your E2. It is lowering your

total T. I can imagine how much of a pain it is to take a huge

capsule with a meal 4x per day. I also know how much all of this

costs. Restandol is not cheap. $100USD buys me 40 weeks of

Testosterone enanthate. Yes I have to shoot myself in the thigh

every week, but Restandol appears to be a true pain in the ass. No

thanks.

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

test results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

take these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference

ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Why are you directing this at me?

Not only do you seem to have a very poor grasp of the facts (far too

simplistic) but you are speaking to someone who was running 20miles

a week and was a pro tennis coach when I was struck by low

testosterone which looks to be either genetic (I am awaiting an

appointment with a geneticist) or be due to chemotherapy.

So I was if anything in perfect shape and I had never been

interested in or took steroids in my life prior to being diagnosed

with low testosterone.

Please don't reply to this if you want to pursue this agenda do it

elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > > >

> > > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

> test results

> > >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

> take these

> > >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your

reference

> ranges

> > >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

THIS IS SO TRUE. Dr Crisler..what a joke.

thealchemistone <thealchemistone@...> wrote:

its all diet and life style. you never saw so many fat people 30 - 40 years ago,

did you. 90% of he people that have ED or libido problems also have a high

percentage of body fat. if you took out the over worked / steressed, obese and

ex heavy steriod users none of this would make the news. of cource there are

some that have a legit medical problem that is genetic or would have occered

regardless of his actions and would benifit from TRT or a form of HRT but he is

the very rare individual. most of the doctors that specialize in this type of

medicine like to think they are so cleaver and so cuting edge like they have

discovered something unique, what crap. everything they talk about was

researched through trial, error and hard knocks in the bodybuilding crowd. these

doc's would like you to believe that this is some how such a wholistic approach

and they are correcting the route problem, again crap. the vast majority of

people receiving testosterone are only being treated for their

symtoms that arrive from what we do and what we eat. most fast food chains / big

food manufacturers should be hung for the problems they have created.

wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote:

I now know what not to try. The Restandol is doing a bang-up job of

shutting your HPTA down and raising your E2. It is lowering your

total T. I can imagine how much of a pain it is to take a huge

capsule with a meal 4x per day. I also know how much all of this

costs. Restandol is not cheap. $100USD buys me 40 weeks of

Testosterone enanthate. Yes I have to shoot myself in the thigh

every week, but Restandol appears to be a true pain in the ass. No

thanks.

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

test results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

take these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference

ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't buy that for a min. When I came down with low T I was 40 I was not over

weight and in dam good shape. I did not drink or eat a bad diet. Your saying

this is not fact there are no studys saying low T is caused by Diet and Life

Style. Most men that are over weight are that way because of Low T.

Phil

thealchemistone <thealchemistone@...> wrote:

its all diet and life style. you never saw so many fat people 30 - 40 years ago,

did you. 90% of he people that have ED or libido problems also have a high

percentage of body fat. if you took out the over worked / steressed, obese and

ex heavy steriod users none of this would make the news. of cource there are

some that have a legit medical problem that is genetic or would have occered

regardless of his actions and would benifit from TRT or a form of HRT but he is

the very rare individual. most of the doctors that specialize in this type of

medicine like to think they are so cleaver and so cuting edge like they have

discovered something unique, what crap. everything they talk about was

researched through trial, error and hard knocks in the bodybuilding crowd. these

doc's would like you to believe that this is some how such a wholistic approach

and they are correcting the route problem, again crap. the vast majority of

people receiving testosterone are only being treated for their

symtoms that arrive from what we do and what we eat. most fast food chains / big

food manufacturers should be hung for the problems they have created.

wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote:

I now know what not to try. The Restandol is doing a bang-up job of

shutting your HPTA down and raising your E2. It is lowering your

total T. I can imagine how much of a pain it is to take a huge

capsule with a meal 4x per day. I also know how much all of this

costs. Restandol is not cheap. $100USD buys me 40 weeks of

Testosterone enanthate. Yes I have to shoot myself in the thigh

every week, but Restandol appears to be a true pain in the ass. No

thanks.

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

test results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

take these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference

ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amen.

Phil

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Why are you directing this at me?

Not only do you seem to have a very poor grasp of the facts (far too

simplistic) but you are speaking to someone who was running 20miles

a week and was a pro tennis coach when I was struck by low

testosterone which looks to be either genetic (I am awaiting an

appointment with a geneticist) or be due to chemotherapy.

So I was if anything in perfect shape and I had never been

interested in or took steroids in my life prior to being diagnosed

with low testosterone.

Please don't reply to this if you want to pursue this agenda do it

elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > > >

> > > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

> test results

> > >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

> take these

> > >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your

reference

> ranges

> > >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

>From: " Larry " <desertroads@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: RE: Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:11:24 -0700

>

>

>

>

> >From: " chis_az " <chis_az@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Results on Restandol 16omgs a week

> >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:25:25 -0000

> >

> >Opinions anyone?

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these test

>results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can take

>these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> your testosterone and LH was as low as mine, and I was diagnosed

>with hypogonadism. I've been applying adrogel (Testosterone) for about a

>year and a half. It actually took at least a year before I really had the

>full benifit from that. the reason I am suffering this doesn't have

>anything to do with being overweight, and I'm not, but may be a direct

>response to too much iron buildup, from my welding history ( manganism

>desease) or some genetic factor , all rare. So , in my case I have a loss

>of production of the pituitary both anterior and posterior. You very well

>can be suffering from multible problems which symptoms having your head

>spinning, because as you probably have found, these symptoms fit a lot of

>stuff. I personally started out thinking I had parkinsons. The letter I

>sent to my doctor describing all my symptoms and fears got the ball

>rolling, I felt I was just being given lip service by my doctor before

>that, I felt I was'nt taken seriously at all. So press for more tests,

>thats all depend on , good luck , Larry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

now now, lets not get emotional, boetter check that E.......... just kidding,

but as i said there are legit case's and im not saying you or anyone else here

is not, but you have to adimt diet plays a huge part and average person has

become huge over the last 30 years. also ive know many men that have test levels

in the 300 range and have a good sex life and feel fine. things happing in the

body that no one right now have real answers for. i think that part of it is the

path ways, and recepter sensativity to " what ever " hormones are in your system.

and if you do happen to need TRT then you may be able to get more out of the

treatment with fewer side effects if your diet and suppliments are in order. ive

been around many people in sounthern cal on both sides of the table and have

tried all sorts of natural and pharma products and seen many people doing the

same and seen suprising and offen supprising results.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:Amen.

Phil

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Why are you directing this at me?

Not only do you seem to have a very poor grasp of the facts (far too

simplistic) but you are speaking to someone who was running 20miles

a week and was a pro tennis coach when I was struck by low

testosterone which looks to be either genetic (I am awaiting an

appointment with a geneticist) or be due to chemotherapy.

So I was if anything in perfect shape and I had never been

interested in or took steroids in my life prior to being diagnosed

with low testosterone.

Please don't reply to this if you want to pursue this agenda do it

elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > > >

> > > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

> test results

> > >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

> take these

> > >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your

reference

> ranges

> > >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

you dont have to buy it, its just an opinion and what ive seen very offen seems

to be the case, also i said this is not in every case. but whos to say why your

test went down? who can really give you an answer why some men feel fine with

levels of 300 ng/dl and others feel like hell even when they raise them past

1000? the body can react to things in unexplainable ways. all im saying is i

believe that most of the medical problems people are incountering today ( not

just low T) is due to what we eat and how we live. i agree with many things that

are said here, many doc's are not competent on the benifts of TRT, many are just

scared tp prescribe it. and if you need TRT you should recieve it. and weather

your on it or not i think there are numerous variables. for me when im on a

normal diet drinking a bit, eating fast food a few times week i dont feel that

good. i have had my T levels check several times over the last 20 years, have

tried T inj, transdermal, w and w/o hcg ect. and i

know theres much more going on that you can make scence of. but for me i have

never felt better than when i was on a very low carb (other than fibuors

vegie's), hi protien diet, supplimenting w/ flax-borage, vits, zinc, wieght

traing and doing sprints (no long distance cario, which i know is good for the

heart, but im sure it raises the cotisol, lowers the test and lowers my libido

within weeks) but this is just what does it for me. what is a fact for anyone is

that diet plays much more of a role than you can begin to imageing. i know i

allot of guys feel good on TRT but many dont and if they do offten its only for

a few weeks then it is a never ending cycle to get the right balance which never

seems to last............

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:I don't buy that for a min. When I

came down with low T I was 40 I was not over weight and in dam good shape. I

did not drink or eat a bad diet. Your saying this is not fact there are no

studys saying low T is caused by Diet and Life Style. Most men that are over

weight are that way because of Low T.

Phil

thealchemistone <thealchemistone@...> wrote:

its all diet and life style. you never saw so many fat people 30 - 40 years ago,

did you. 90% of he people that have ED or libido problems also have a high

percentage of body fat. if you took out the over worked / steressed, obese and

ex heavy steriod users none of this would make the news. of cource there are

some that have a legit medical problem that is genetic or would have occered

regardless of his actions and would benifit from TRT or a form of HRT but he is

the very rare individual. most of the doctors that specialize in this type of

medicine like to think they are so cleaver and so cuting edge like they have

discovered something unique, what crap. everything they talk about was

researched through trial, error and hard knocks in the bodybuilding crowd. these

doc's would like you to believe that this is some how such a wholistic approach

and they are correcting the route problem, again crap. the vast majority of

people receiving testosterone are only being treated for their

symtoms that arrive from what we do and what we eat. most fast food chains / big

food manufacturers should be hung for the problems they have created.

wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote:

I now know what not to try. The Restandol is doing a bang-up job of

shutting your HPTA down and raising your E2. It is lowering your

total T. I can imagine how much of a pain it is to take a huge

capsule with a meal 4x per day. I also know how much all of this

costs. Restandol is not cheap. $100USD buys me 40 weeks of

Testosterone enanthate. Yes I have to shoot myself in the thigh

every week, but Restandol appears to be a true pain in the ass. No

thanks.

> > >

> > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > >

> > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

test results

> >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

take these

> >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your reference

ranges

> >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked you not to pursue your agenda in this thread- I was asking

for peoples opinions on a treatment I was on and my number.

Please don't hijack peoples posts.

> > > > >

> > > > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > > > >

> > > > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chris

> > > > >

> > > > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with

these

> > test results

> > > >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you

can

> > take these

> > > >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your

> reference

> > ranges

> > > >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You are entitled to your opinion but that is all it is. There is no data to

support what your claming. I just don't feel you should state things like this

when there not fact. Yes some men feel good at 300 and have a sex life. But

sex is not what low T is about a lot of men have a sex life with low T. But a

men with a level of 300 better get on TRT or later in life he will have bone

loss and many other health problems to many to list. You need to go to the

links and files section and read more about Hypogonadism. Do you have it are

you on TRT are you one of us.

Phil

thealchemistone <thealchemistone@...> wrote:

now now, lets not get emotional, boetter check that E.......... just kidding,

but as i said there are legit case's and im not saying you or anyone else here

is not, but you have to adimt diet plays a huge part and average person has

become huge over the last 30 years. also ive know many men that have test levels

in the 300 range and have a good sex life and feel fine. things happing in the

body that no one right now have real answers for. i think that part of it is the

path ways, and recepter sensativity to " what ever " hormones are in your system.

and if you do happen to need TRT then you may be able to get more out of the

treatment with fewer side effects if your diet and suppliments are in order. ive

been around many people in sounthern cal on both sides of the table and have

tried all sorts of natural and pharma products and seen many people doing the

same and seen suprising and offen supprising results.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:Amen.

Phil

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Why are you directing this at me?

Not only do you seem to have a very poor grasp of the facts (far too

simplistic) but you are speaking to someone who was running 20miles

a week and was a pro tennis coach when I was struck by low

testosterone which looks to be either genetic (I am awaiting an

appointment with a geneticist) or be due to chemotherapy.

So I was if anything in perfect shape and I had never been

interested in or took steroids in my life prior to being diagnosed

with low testosterone.

Please don't reply to this if you want to pursue this agenda do it

elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > LH 2.2IU/L

> > > > Testosterone 250ng/dl

> > > > Estradiol 33.2pg/ml

> > > >

> > > > I felt awful, which isn't surprising is is.

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > I answered the other guys post because I hoped with these

> test results

> > >others could benifit. I didn't mean to ignore you, but you can

> take these

> > >results and kind of get an idea where your at with your

reference

> ranges

> > >which vary person to person a lot of times. Good luck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What did I miss here?

Where did Doctor Crisler " being a joke " have to do with the topic here?

Is this the infamous Dr. Crisler basher rearing his head again under

yet another alias???

Like it or not, men become hypogonadal for a number of reasons (I for

example, from a hypercortisolism condition - and the hypogonadal state

continued even after cortisol levels were brought to within normal

ranges - part of the problem with aging in that all inter-related

systems don't come fully back on line).

Personally, TRT has been a godsend to me - and I didn't come close to

getting it administered correctly until I went to see Dr. Crisler (and

who is costing me less than when I was seeing my " regular " doctor -

even though Dr C is not in my insurance plan (being out of state).

So, please, remain on the primary topic and keep the bashing of

individual doctors out of the picture... especially one who has done

so much for the TRT field.

Larry

>

> THIS IS SO TRUE. Dr Crisler..what a joke.

>

[Guest guest]

....sounds like someone here has some serious emotional issues. They

also suffer a profound lack of grasp of the facts.

> >

> > THIS IS SO TRUE. Dr Crisler..what a joke.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who has decided to walk through this thread

wiping their feet on the way!!!

This thread was posted with an express and obvious intention of

obtaining peoples views on MY results, instead most people have just

wrote a whole load of horse sh1t to each other that has had nothing

to do with my post.

How ignorant can people get!

Should I envite my friends around to your houses and ignore you?

Maybe in future people can have the good grace to discuse their own

matters in their own threads?

and then maybe people can get the help and opinions they are

actually here to try and obtain.

> > >

> > > THIS IS SO TRUE. Dr Crisler..what a joke.

> > >

> >

>

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....you gotta give him that one.

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Chris

Please submit a brand new thread to this forum...

Explain your symptoms, your intial bloodwork results and any results thru today.

Also include what meds you are on currently and anything you had taken and

discontinued.

writing a few lines about your bloodwork and stating you feel like crap isn't

much to work with.

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Thanks to everyone who has decided to walk through this thread

wiping their feet on the way!!!

This thread was posted with an express and obvious intention of

obtaining peoples views on MY results, instead most people have just

wrote a whole load of horse sh1t to each other that has had nothing

to do with my post.

How ignorant can people get!

Should I envite my friends around to your houses and ignore you?

Maybe in future people can have the good grace to discuse their own

matters in their own threads?

and then maybe people can get the help and opinions they are

actually here to try and obtain.

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For some reason when you have people that are GOOD and care for there fellow men

like Dr. does there is always some one out there that is BAD for there

fellow man. This bashing of Dr. will get you no where hear at this group.

If you can't say anything good about anyone then don't say anything. I for one

can't thank Dr. enough for his help and Free Treatment Articles on his site

and the web. His help has me feeling the best I ever felt in the 21 yrs. I have

been on TRT. Thanks Again Dr. .

Phil

jkcrisler <doctorjohn@...> wrote:

....sounds like someone here has some serious emotional issues. They

also suffer a profound lack of grasp of the facts.

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I'll second that! I'm a patient of Dr 's, and he's been a god send.

Under my Endo and PCP's care, I was a depressed couch potato who wanted

nothingm ore than to just die. Dr got me back to a reasonable

state of health, with just a little more E tweaking to be done. Highly

recommend that if you haven't dealt with him you just keep the mouth

closed about him.

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>For some reason when you have people that are GOOD and care

>for there fellow men like Dr. does there is always some

>one out there that is BAD for there fellow man. This bashing

>of Dr. will get you no where hear at this group. If you

>can't say anything good about anyone then don't say anything.

>I for one can't thank Dr. enough for his help and Free

>Treatment Articles on his site and the web. His help has me

>feeling the best I ever felt in the 21 yrs. I have been on

>TRT. Thanks Again Dr. .

>Phil

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Chis_az,

Your responses sure have a flare of anger associated with them. Do you have a

problem with anger? What are your T levels? Too high a dose can result in

aggressiveness. We on this board are about the transfer of information. The

proper protocol is to address issues in a non-antaganistic and compassionate

reply. Put your issue on the table and lets talk about it, you won't always get

the answer you want but such is life - roll with it.

Arkansas

chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

Thanks to everyone who has decided to walk through this thread

wiping their feet on the way!!!

This thread was posted with an express and obvious intention of

obtaining peoples views on MY results, instead most people have just

wrote a whole load of horse sh1t to each other that has had nothing

to do with my post.

How ignorant can people get!

Should I envite my friends around to your houses and ignore you?

Maybe in future people can have the good grace to discuse their own

matters in their own threads?

and then maybe people can get the help and opinions they are

actually here to try and obtain.

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Dan,

It is quite simnple;

I posted a thread about my results- " this thread " - four times before

anyone responded.

I have since had people hijack it to talk, argue and discuse

everything from the effects of modern lifestyle and how it causes

hypogonadism to the abilities of a given doctor- to the defence of

indicated slighted doctor.

It is just a total joke.

Lets say you post a thread asking for people to help you out by

giving their opinions on your TRT, but your posts are mostly ignored

and then used to talk about all and sundry which has no baring at

all on why you started the thread.

Understand?

P.S

Yea I'm finding things difficult which was why I wanted peoples

opinions in the first place.

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