Re: I just started Testostorone replacement (Testix Gel)

May 3, 2006

Hey - welcome to the group

The affect of the T is dependent on 2 things, how much damage you have

developed from the low T and how much you are getting into your system. Once you

achieve a level of 500 ng/dl or greater (depending on your individual needs) you

will start to see changes over time. This is not real fast. For me, it was ~ 3-4

months before I noticed not so much weight loss as a redistribution of muscle to

fat. The love handles started to go away first, then the belly fat and chest

fat.

You should start to feel some difference in the libido area shortly after that

if you have been low for some time. If you have not been low too long then some

guys feel the effects within the first week. For me the first indicator was I

would wake up in the middle of the night, sometime 2 to 3 times with these

raging hardons. Once you start getting erections again and working your penis,

things should get better in the flacid department.

Once again this was just me - I didn't absorb gels so I went to shots but

there are a number of men here that do great on the gels. You will just have to

try some things and see what works best for you. This is a great group so don't

be afraid to ask anything.

Good Luck - Arkansas

Prunty <allen@...> wrote:

My endochrinologist told me I had hypogonadism. I am embarrassed to say, but

I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the Testosterone

replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted you to

know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am 35.

Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had arthritis.

I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only been on

it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What can I

expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring my body to

what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel a little

sadness.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if I'm

improving

T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

support forums but they pose little support.

_____

May 3, 2006

Hi ! Welcome to Hypogonadism Central!

Nope, going on TRT won't make your penis grow bigger, because you are

not taking a growth hormone, but your penis will feel much better to

you and you should feel stronger and healthier all over. Can you tell

us what your initial testosterone blood work showed compared to the

normal given range prior to starting TRT? And what is it now?

Also , what are you doing, injections, skin speadons?

Myself, and Philip also on this forum, greatly benefited from doing

injections versus skin speadons with overall body aching, you should

too!

best wishes

Norton

May 3, 2006

Hi and Welcome,

Did you mean Testim Gel if you just started on it and are doing 5 grams a day

you need to get retested in 2 weeks to be sure the gel is getting through the

skin and putting testosterone into your blood stream. Most men start on it and

start to feel good then about the 2nd or 3rd week fall back to feeling bad

again. This happens because going on T meds stop your brain from sending the

messages to your Testis to make more T. So going on the gel will bring you way

up and when your Testis stop making T you will come back down. Some men come

back down lower then there base line test when this happens you need a higher

dose of Gel. Your penis will hang bigger when your T levels come up to the

upper 1/3 of your labs range for both Free and Total T. keep an eye on your

Estradiol if it goes up or is high it will keep you from feeling better. I had

the same problem was in a lot of pain not getting enough T. to your body will

cause the joints and muscles to break down.

Getting your levels back up and being stable on this level your body will start

to repair the damage done by low t. So this takes time and it is different for

each of us. Some do better faster and some take longer. Here are some links

for you to read. But first go here at www.allthingsmale.com and Read TRT: A

Recipe for Success and the HCG Update. You need to get your Dr. to add HCG to

your Gels when you are stable say in 2 months. Doing a 250 IU shot of HCG

every 3 days will keep your Testis working and keep Leydig cells stimulated. I

went on this last yr. and now feel the best I ever felt in the 22 yrs. I have

been on TRT.

This link is long but has a lot of info in it ranges, Estradiol and tests.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

You need to post your tests results here so we can help you better. Post the

ranges and units.

Also keeping your Estrodiol down between 10 to 30 keeps your sex life up and

brain fog down. Most of the men hear have in the past felt they were suffering

from depression and find on TRT this feeling goes away. I was having bad panic

attacks and found high estrodiol did this to me.

Phil

Prunty <allen@...> wrote: My endochrinologist told me I had

hypogonadism. I am embarrassed to say, but

I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the Testosterone

replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted you to

know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am 35.

Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had arthritis.

I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only been on

it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What can I

expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring my body to

what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel a little

sadness.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if I'm

improving

T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

support forums but they pose little support.

_____

May 3, 2006

,

Good to have you here - welcome.

The other posters have already provided you with some great insight

and expectations. It will be helpful for you to post some lab

results, for even better input.

As you, I have suffered for a long time and at 38, I am still a

virgin and quite unsettled and mad about it. I have taken the step

during the medical process to seek out a great male psychologist to

discuss these issues, traumas and psychological impact that low T

has and is causing. I can't stress enough how helpful this has been

and my guy is a terrific, wise sounding board. For you (and me),

psychological goes hand-in-hand with physical repair and

restoration.

Please do consider this type of support for yourself - given past

and present hurts. It will make you a better man.

Blessings again,

Bill

>

> My endochrinologist told me I had hypogonadism. I am embarrassed

to say, but

> I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the

Testosterone

> replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted

you to

> know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

> genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am

35.

>

> Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had

arthritis.

> I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only

been on

> it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

>

> I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What

can I

> expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring

my body to

> what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel

a little

> sadness.

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if

I'm

> improving

>

> T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

> That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

> myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

> don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

> support forums but they pose little support.

>

> _____

>

May 3, 2006

--I don't, nor didn't expect, THIS effect from TRT. But I've

only been on " T " by injections (I had to make sure to say that

because we are ALL on NATURAL " T " of some level, I think) for a

month and the last time I made love to my wife, she told me that my

penis hasn't gotten any longer (which I told her not to expect that

because THAT isn't going to happen, nor does she WANT it to happen)

but she says she can tell it has gotten " wider " . Her not knowing the

terminology, she meant " girth " instead of " wider " . And to be honest

with y'a'll, THAT was one thing I noticed myself about 2 weeks ago!

I know, I know. TRT isn't supposed to affect

length, " width " " girth " , whatever of ANY penis, but it honestly has

mine!!! OR the only other thing I can possibly think of is that we

have been making love many, many more times in the last 3 weeks than

we did in the last 5 years and now my erections are like they were a

decade or more ago (more like 20years ago!) and it just SEEMS like

my penis, when erect is " bigger " in some way.

Whatever the reason, I'm happy, she's happy because as she has aged

and had 3 children, she hasn't gotten any " tighter " herself so with

my erections being more " full " makes or love making sessions a HECK

of a lot better. I'm no above average man either...just your normal,

average guy size-wise who's never had any comlaints (said to my face

anymway-LOL!).

So , what you may find is that with harder, stronger and more

full erections, your penis will " seem " larger and actually may

even " feel " larger to women. (I don'[t know if you are married,

otherwise I would have said wife). OK?

I'm happy with my TRT so far. So's the wife!

Aloha for now,

Wayne

>

> My endochrinologist told me I had hypogonadism. I am embarrassed

to say, but

> I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the

Testosterone

> replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted

you to

> know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

> genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am

35.

>

> Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had

arthritis.

> I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only

been on

> it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

>

> I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What

can I

> expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring

my body to

> what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel

a little

> sadness.

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if

I'm

> improving

>

> T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

> That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

> myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

> don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

> support forums but they pose little support.

>

> _____

>

May 3, 2006

>

> --I don't, nor didn't expect, THIS effect from TRT. But I've

> only been on " T " by injections (I had to make sure to say that

> because we are ALL on NATURAL " T " of some level, I think) for a

> month and the last time I made love to my wife, she told me that

my

> penis hasn't gotten any longer (which I told her not to expect

that

> because THAT isn't going to happen, nor does she WANT it to

happen)

> but she says she can tell it has gotten " wider " . Her not knowing

the

> terminology, she meant " girth " instead of " wider " . And to be

honest

> with y'a'll, THAT was one thing I noticed myself about 2 weeks ago!

>

> So , what you may find is that with harder, stronger and more

> full erections, your penis will " seem " larger and actually may

> even " feel " larger to women. (I don'[t know if you are married,

> otherwise I would have said wife). OK?

I think you're right. The fact that we have better " quality "

erections with more positive libido changes will make our erections

stronger and in so doing will increase our size as more blood is

kept in the erection thus making it bigger. Girth is more a matter

of blood volume kept in the penis while length has more to do with

the ligaments and connective tissue in the penis which is not blood

volume dependent.

Thus, girth improvements just based on erection quality should occur

at some level while length will probably not be improved without

other penile techniques.

ASaxon

May 3, 2006

Hi,

REad Dr. Shippen's book, " The Testosterone Sydrome " , $14.95 @

and Noble. You need to study the problems you are facing and you will

feel better for sure.

Your interest in sex will go up and stay up but you instant erections

will drop back after a few weeks to something considered normal when

your T level stabilizes.

You need to get into the 800 - 1000 range to get the benefits of TRT.

ernestnolan

>

> My endochrinologist told me I had hypogonadism. I am embarrassed to

say, but

> I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the Testosterone

> replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted

you to

> know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

> genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am 35.

>

> Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had

arthritis.

> I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only

been on

> it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

>

> I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What can I

> expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring my

body to

> what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel a

little

> sadness.

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if I'm

> improving

>

> T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

> That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

> myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

> don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

> support forums but they pose little support.

>

> _____

>

May 3, 2006

I am not even sure what the damages are. I do know I carry a lot of belly

fat. I am diabetes. I have had no energy for the past five years. and have

had intense joint pain that seems to be going away with the testix gel. I

seem to have a bit more energy, but not enough to make a difference at the

moment.

I would like to know all the symptoms. They thought I had arthritis. turns

out it's not Arthur then they tested me for Lupus. my endo found low

testosterone.

Should I ask for shots? My Dr. told me they are very painful. I have a

numb er of health problems right now and am not in good health at all.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: I just started Testostorone replacement (Testix

Gel)

Hey - welcome to the group

The affect of the T is dependent on 2 things, how much damage you have

developed from the low T and how much you are getting into your system. Once

you achieve a level of 500 ng/dl or greater (depending on your individual

needs) you will start to see changes over time. This is not real fast. For

me, it was ~ 3-4 months before I noticed not so much weight loss as a

redistribution of muscle to fat. The love handles started to go away first,

then the belly fat and chest fat.

You should start to feel some difference in the libido area shortly after

that if you have been low for some time. If you have not been low too long

then some guys feel the effects within the first week. For me the first

indicator was I would wake up in the middle of the night, sometime 2 to 3

times with these raging hardons. Once you start getting erections again and

working your penis, things should get better in the flacid department.

Once again this was just me - I didn't absorb gels so I went to shots but

there are a number of men here that do great on the gels. You will just have

to try some things and see what works best for you. This is a great group so

don't be afraid to ask anything.

Good Luck - Arkansas

Prunty <allen@...> wrote:

My endochrinologist told me I had hypogonadism. I am embarrassed to say,

but

I have a very small flaccid penis. I was hoping that the Testosterone

replacement therapy would help to normalize it too. I just wanted you to

know you don't have the monopoly on being self-concious about your

genetailia. I don't believe I ever went through puberty and I am 35.

Before I was diagnosed I had debilitating pain. I thought I had arthritis.

I was miserable. lost all drive and will to function. I have only been on

it for a week and a half and I already feel much better.

I have not noticed any physiological changes in my body yet. What can I

expect? Could others share what I need to do to begin restoring my body to

what it should be. I am not as sad as I have been. but still feel a little

sadness.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: Some basic blood results. Not sure if I'm

improving

T shots can't correct why I have abnormal gentialia.

That is my biggest problem concerning females. I blame

myself for something I had nothing to do towards. I

don't know how to move on pass that. I have tried

support forums but they pose little support.

_____

May 3, 2006

> Should I ask for shots? My Dr. told me they are very painful. I

have a

> numb er of health problems right now and am not in good health at

all.

You should only get shots if the Gel isn't working or doesn't fit your

lifestyle (i.e. convienence). It's kinda suspect that your doctor

would advise you that they're " very painful " as they aren't. I don't

feel ANY pain at all giving myself the shots in the Thigh but

everyone's different.

ASaxon

May 3, 2006

,

My hypgonadism was caused by Hemochromatosis. It damaged my pituitary gland.

You also have some of the other symptoms, such as joint pain, diabetes, and

being very tired. Just something you may want to mention the next time you see

your doc.