Re: concerned with lab result

[Guest guest]

this tells me the gels don't work for you this happens to a lot of men.

Seeing a Endo to me is not good they are not good Dr.'s for low T. All you need

to do is go to shots start at 100mgs a week. Your E2 is so low because your T

levels are so low. This is not rocket science. The gels are not getting

through your skin simple as that.

<willie6532@...> wrote: Okay, I have been on testim

1.5-2 tubes for about 3 months. My T was

200 and E2 less than 20. I dont understand why I cannot get my levels

up. I was 151 on 1 tube before this. I did make an appointment with

a new endocrine doctor to get a different oppinion. What tests do you

think he will order bc I would like to get them done before going to

see him.

-dave

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

I understand what you are saying concerning the endocrine doctor but

they do specialize in this. I go to a urologist which in turn he has

to talk to his Physician assistant to get what i need. I have asked

for shots many many many times and he will not give them to be bc he

says that the changes in the hormones from up to down are too eratic

and he wont do it. So the only other option is to go and see a

different doctor which i am doing. I have to drive 2 hrs to see one

so that is what i am going to do.

-dave

Okay, I have been on

testim 1.5-2 tubes for about 3 months. My T was

> 200 and E2 less than 20. I dont understand why I cannot get my

levels

> up. I was 151 on 1 tube before this. I did make an appointment with

> a new endocrine doctor to get a different oppinion. What tests do

you

> think he will order bc I would like to get them done before going

to

> see him.

>

> -dave

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

>

[Guest guest]

if Endo's specialize in testing and treating low T why are so many of us

not getting any treatment with them. They are not specialized in this but in

low sugar and I don't think they are all that good at this. I have wasted so

much money and time with them that it's a shame 7 Endo's and my wife for her

Thyriod seen many and never got good treatment. I was told I am depressed and

my wife was told to lose weight how the hell do you get someone with a bad

Thyriod to lose weight. They are range nuts if your in any part of the range

your ok. Shots this is a joke he is thinking about doing shots ever 4 weeks or

every 2 weeks. There are no big ups and downs on doing them everyweek.

Yes do find a new Dr. read in the files section " Finding a New Male Hormone

Dr. " call and ask questions a lot of them.

<willie6532@...> wrote:

Phil,

I understand what you are saying concerning the endocrine doctor but

they do specialize in this. I go to a urologist which in turn he has

to talk to his Physician assistant to get what i need. I have asked

for shots many many many times and he will not give them to be bc he

says that the changes in the hormones from up to down are too eratic

and he wont do it. So the only other option is to go and see a

different doctor which i am doing. I have to drive 2 hrs to see one

so that is what i am going to do.

-dave

Okay, I have been on

testim 1.5-2 tubes for about 3 months. My T was

> 200 and E2 less than 20. I dont understand why I cannot get my

levels

> up. I was 151 on 1 tube before this. I did make an appointment with

> a new endocrine doctor to get a different oppinion. What tests do

you

> think he will order bc I would like to get them done before going

to

> see him.

>

> -dave

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I am going to go ahead and see this new doctor for a second opinion

and that is it. I still have my appointment with my urologist in 2

weeks. I take different medications which also may cause this. I was

taking Protonix(GERD) and my levels were normally high and I

switched to Nexium and now my levels are low. Maybe it is that or

maybe something else. I dont know. Im just tired of this game and

really want to get my levels back to normal. I have wasted alot of

money trying to get this to work. I can only try other doctors to

find one that will treat me right!!

-Dave

Okay, I have been on

> testim 1.5-2 tubes for about 3 months. My T was

> > 200 and E2 less than 20. I dont understand why I cannot get my

> levels

> > up. I was 151 on 1 tube before this. I did make an appointment

with

> > a new endocrine doctor to get a different oppinion. What tests do

> you

> > think he will order bc I would like to get them done before going

> to

> > see him.

> >

> > -dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You should know that PPI meds slow the metabolization

of estradiol. PPI meds aren't a class of drug I'd

trust over the long term. I'll suggest you also

join the GERDSUPPORT group.

Okay, I have been on

> > testim 1.5-2 tubes for about 3 months. My T was

> > > 200 and E2 less than 20. I dont understand why I cannot get my

> > levels

> > > up. I was 151 on 1 tube before this. I did make an appointment

> with

> > > a new endocrine doctor to get a different oppinion. What tests

do

> > you

> > > think he will order bc I would like to get them done before

going

> > to

> > > see him.

> > >

> > > -dave

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

> what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:38:06 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Phil,

>

>I understand what you are saying concerning the endocrine doctor but

>they do specialize in this. I go to a urologist which in turn he has

>to talk to his Physician assistant to get what i need. I have asked

>for shots many many many times and he will not give them to be bc he

>says that the changes in the hormones from up to down are too eratic

>and he wont do it. So the only other option is to go and see a

>different doctor which i am doing. I have to drive 2 hrs to see one

>so that is what i am going to do.

>

>-dave

Your urologist is partly right. SHots under the old regimen of one

shot every two or three weeks created a roller coaster of rising and

falling T levels. But now most of us get 1 shot a week and cut the

dose accordingly and do quite well. The peak is lower and the valley

higher, it's a narrower acceptable range for most of us.

Gels have their own issues. Thick skin, hair etc. stop their

absorbtion for many. I took them for a year or so and they worked

initially, but then my levels fell away as the skin thickened and

application areas grew hair. i went back to shots, but with the more

frequent schedule. I much prefer it. And it's way way cheaper.

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" Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

[Guest guest]

Well I went to the endocrinologist today. He sent me more some more

lab work and a MRI of the brain. He wants to confirm that it is

secondary hypogonadism. I explained that I am still tired, low sex

drive and still use levitra for erections. I have a follow up

appointment in 2 weeks to get a bone density scan and to see him. He

still wants me to continue Testim until he can verify that it is

hypogonadism. We shall see. I was off my medication today and fell

really really tired. Sometimes doctors dont understand what you are

going through when you tell them all these things....even endo,

urologist or your PCP. I know what I want and I want shots and I

told him that today.

-Dave

>

> >

> >Phil,

> >

> >I understand what you are saying concerning the endocrine doctor

but

> >they do specialize in this. I go to a urologist which in turn he

has

> >to talk to his Physician assistant to get what i need. I have

asked

> >for shots many many many times and he will not give them to be bc

he

> >says that the changes in the hormones from up to down are too

eratic

> >and he wont do it. So the only other option is to go and see a

> >different doctor which i am doing. I have to drive 2 hrs to see

one

> >so that is what i am going to do.

> >

> >-dave

>

>

> Your urologist is partly right. SHots under the old regimen of one

> shot every two or three weeks created a roller coaster of rising and

> falling T levels. But now most of us get 1 shot a week and cut the

> dose accordingly and do quite well. The peak is lower and the valley

> higher, it's a narrower acceptable range for most of us.

>

> Gels have their own issues. Thick skin, hair etc. stop their

> absorbtion for many. I took them for a year or so and they worked

> initially, but then my levels fell away as the skin thickened and

> application areas grew hair. i went back to shots, but with the more

> frequent schedule. I much prefer it. And it's way way cheaper.

> -----

> " Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

> power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave

Looks like you are on the right track. I had to do exactly what you

did to get to the bottom of my low T.

Good for you for fighting for your health!

Sometimes it takes a few loud exchanges to get the ball rolling. LOL!

After you have your blood work and MRI done its not a bad idea to

prove that the results are right by going on a clomiphene test or a

HCG shot to see if your secondary or primary.

Manraj

> >

> > >

> > >Phil,

> > >

> > >I understand what you are saying concerning the endocrine

doctor

> but

> > >they do specialize in this. I go to a urologist which in turn

he

> has

> > >to talk to his Physician assistant to get what i need. I have

> asked

> > >for shots many many many times and he will not give them to be

bc

> he

> > >says that the changes in the hormones from up to down are too

> eratic

> > >and he wont do it. So the only other option is to go and see a

> > >different doctor which i am doing. I have to drive 2 hrs to

see

> one

> > >so that is what i am going to do.

> > >

> > >-dave

> >

> >

> > Your urologist is partly right. SHots under the old regimen of

one

> > shot every two or three weeks created a roller coaster of rising

and

> > falling T levels. But now most of us get 1 shot a week and cut

the

> > dose accordingly and do quite well. The peak is lower and the

valley

> > higher, it's a narrower acceptable range for most of us.

> >

> > Gels have their own issues. Thick skin, hair etc. stop their

> > absorbtion for many. I took them for a year or so and they worked

> > initially, but then my levels fell away as the skin thickened and

> > application areas grew hair. i went back to shots, but with the

more

> > frequent schedule. I much prefer it. And it's way way cheaper.

> > -----

> > " Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the

> > power to make you commit atrocities. " - Voltaire

> >

>