Noni juice

July 23, 1999

HI CHERYL...

TOOK A LOOK AT THE NONI PAGE AND E-MAILED THEM ABOUT FROZEN

NONI...POTENCY,ETC... FREEZING WILL CAUSE IT TO LOSE SOME OF ITS

POTENCY...IF YOU COULD GET THE FRUIT , THAT WOULD BE THE BEST...THEN YOU

COULD JUICE IT! THEY OFFER A JUICE AS WELL, I NOTICE.

I HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE RAVE ABOUT NONI AND OTHERS GET NOTHING FROM IT. IT IS

THE SAME OLD THING...IF ITS WHAT YOU NEED IT WILL HELP YOU. I HAVE NEVER

HEARD ANYTHING BAD ABOUT IT... IT IS AN IMMUNE STIMULANT THOUGH...YOU MIGHT

WANT TO GO SLOW WITH IT IN THE BEGINNING...LET ME KNOW HOW IT GOES...

BEST WISHES...BYRON

[Lyme-aid] Noni Juice

>From: " Cheryl Robbins-DeVoll " <cjdevoll@...>

>

>Noni fruit grows in Polynesia and on the big Island of Hawaii in the

>lava flows and also in the streams of Kauai. The juice from the pulp of the

>fruit is used as an anti-bacterial and immune system stimulant. The plant

>itself is in the same family as the coffee plant AKA morinda citrifolia.

>

>In the South Pacific it has been used to kill staph infections and other

infections

>including tuberculosis and syphillis. It also has the reputation of curing

type II diabetes.

>I find this interesting since TB and syphilli are spirochetes as is Lyme...

and borellia

>thrives on glucose. A friend of mine in Hawaii has recommended it to me.

>He says that the juices available may have too many other additives or

>juices in them. The best method for using Noni would be to take the pulp

and

>squeeze it through cheesecloth. This is one of the more reputable sources

but

>I wonder if it is okay since this source has frozen the pulp.

>

>http://www.4-u-veges.com/noni_use.html

>

>I haven't decided whether to order it from somewhere or wait until my

friend

>can send me some fruits so I can make my own pulp.

>

>I'll let you know. Since I have lupus I am wary of anything which purports

>to " stimulate " my immune system as it just exacerbates the lupus.

>

>From another lymie interested in Noni,

>

>Cheryl

>

>---------------------------

July 23, 1999

Dabs...

I haven't seen any studies but it is good to avoid sugar for other reasons

( candida, immunosuppression, no protein is absorbed while sugar is

present)...I think you have to strike a balance between the stress it causes

to do any therapy and the benefit you get from it.

In other words...I think you can have a cookie now and then ( unless you

have severe candida )

best wishes...Byron

Re: [Lyme-aid] Noni Juice

>From: Dabret22@...

>

>In a message dated 8/1/99 5:22:16 PM, cjdevoll@... writes:

>

><< borellia

>thrives on glucose >>

>

>Seriously??? Does this mean no sugar, no sweets, no fruit???

>Byron??What do you advise???

> Dabs, hungry in

conn

>

>---------------------------

July 31, 1999

Hi Guys,

Has anyone here heard ofTahitian Noni Juice and if so , have you tried it and

felt better from it?

Curious

August 1, 1999

In a message dated 8/1/99 5:22:16 PM, cjdevoll@... writes:

<< borellia

thrives on glucose >>

Seriously??? Does this mean no sugar, no sweets, no fruit???

Byron??What do you advise???

Dabs, hungry in conn

August 3, 1999

On the subject of everything thrives on glucose.

Eventually everything we eat breaks down to glucose....... Carol

September 4, 1999

hi,

my sister in law is married to a man from Tonga and they believe very much in

noni juice. i myself haven't tried it, but she says it keeps her cancer at

bay. hard to say because i think her latest tests are going to show us she

isn't in remission anymore.

it is fairly expensive and the only reason i don't try it is because i think

i am far too advanced.

in peace,

talyne

April 3, 2000

hi, yes i have been on tahitian noni juice for three months than one month

off told the system gets used to it.( use it in cycles ) think suppose to

help cell to cell communication...

i ended up buying capsules more recently(cheaper and didnt have to carry

heavy bottle) but not tatiahina noni.. I think it maybe helping but to be

honest dont have a strong feeling about it . Dr. daryl see had also

recommended it if my memory serves me correctly. good luck. somish

July 23, 2000

IMMUNE SUPPORT: XERONINE

Xeronine and Cell Regeneration.

Xeronine is an alkaloid which is important for proper cell function. It

is usually supplied to the body as the precursor " pro-xeronine " , which is

converted to xeronine in the intestines. It is believed to regulate the

rigidity and shape (hence the function) of specific proteins, affecting a

wide range of physiological reactions, including repair to damaged cells;

enhanced host immune system involving macrophages and/or lymphocytes(1);

and analgesic affects(2).

After 45 years' of research, Dr. Ralph Heinicke states: " Some of the

problems which drinking Noni juice might favorably affect are: high blood

pressure, menstrual cramps, arthritis, gastric ulcers, sprains, injuries,

mental depression, senility, poor digestion, atherosclerosis, blood vessel

problems, drug addiction, relief of pain, and many others. Although this

list looks like a page torn out of a traveling medicine man's manual, it

is probably conservative. "

(1) A. Hirazumi, E. Furrasawa, S.C. Chou & Y. Hokama. AntiCancer Activity of

Morinda

Citrifolia on Intraperitoneally implanted Lung Carcinoma in Syngenic Mice.

Proc.

West Pharmacol. Soc. 37: 145-146 (1994)

(2) C. Younos, A. Rolland, J. Fluerentin, M. Lanhers, R. Misslin, F. Mortier.

Analgesic and Behavioral Effects of Morinda Citrifolia. Planta Medica 56 (1990)

430-434.

Inhibition of ras function

Abstract: Of over 500 extracts tested, the compound damnacanthal was found to

inhibit ras function.

The most potent extract came from Morinda citrifolia. (K-ras-NRK cell is a

pre-cursor to certain cancers).

T. Hiramatsu, M. Imoto, T. Koyano, K. Umezawa. Induction of Normal Phenotypes

in

RAS-transformed cells by Damnacanthal from Morinda Citrifolia.

Cancer Letters 73 (1993) 161-166.

July 23, 2000

Joyce,

Damnacanthal is apparently a marketer's dream as it inhibits the

expression of the K-RAS oncogene (thus allowing differentiation) without

inducing apoptosis. Bottom line: it may slow most colon cancers and maybe

half the lung cancers, but you'd have to keep on taking it. But, hey,

that's a small price to pay considering the alternative.

High doses of Goldenseal (containing berberine) can perform similarly.

Cancer Lett 1993 Sep 30;73(2-3):161-6

Induction of normal phenotypes in ras-transformed cells by damnacanthal from

Morinda citrifolia.

Hiramatsu T, Imoto M, Koyano T, Umezawa K

Department of Applied Chemistry, Faculty of Science and Technology, Keio

University, Yokohama, Japan.

We have screened tropical plant extracts for substances that induce normal

morphology in K-rasts-NRK cells. As a result we isolated an anthraquinone

compound, damnacanthal, from the chloroform extract of the root of Morinda

citrifolia. Damnacanthal induced normal morphology and cytoskeletal

structure in K-rasts-NRK cells at the permissive temperature, without

changing the amount and localization of Ras. The effect of damnacanthal was

reversible, and the compound had no effect on the morphology of RSVts-NRK

cells expressing the src oncogene. Thus, damnacanthal is a new inhibitor of

ras function.

Re: Noni Juice

>

> IMMUNE SUPPORT: XERONINE

>

> Xeronine and Cell Regeneration.

>

> Xeronine is an alkaloid which is important for proper cell function. It

> is usually supplied to the body as the precursor " pro-xeronine " , which is

> converted to xeronine in the intestines. It is believed to regulate the

> rigidity and shape (hence the function) of specific proteins, affecting a

> wide range of physiological reactions, including repair to damaged cells;

> enhanced host immune system involving macrophages and/or lymphocytes(1);

> and analgesic affects(2).

>

> After 45 years' of research, Dr. Ralph Heinicke states: " Some of the

> problems which drinking Noni juice might favorably affect are: high blood

> pressure, menstrual cramps, arthritis, gastric ulcers, sprains, injuries,

> mental depression, senility, poor digestion, atherosclerosis, blood vessel

> problems, drug addiction, relief of pain, and many others. Although this

> list looks like a page torn out of a traveling medicine man's manual, it

> is probably conservative. "

>

> (1) A. Hirazumi, E. Furrasawa, S.C. Chou & Y. Hokama. AntiCancer

Activity of Morinda

> Citrifolia on Intraperitoneally implanted Lung Carcinoma in Syngenic

Mice. Proc.

> West Pharmacol. Soc. 37: 145-146 (1994)

>

> (2) C. Younos, A. Rolland, J. Fluerentin, M. Lanhers, R. Misslin, F.

Mortier.

> Analgesic and Behavioral Effects of Morinda Citrifolia. Planta Medica 56

(1990) 430-434.

>

> Inhibition of ras function

>

> Abstract: Of over 500 extracts tested, the compound damnacanthal was

found to

> inhibit ras function.

> The most potent extract came from Morinda citrifolia. (K-ras-NRK cell is

a

> pre-cursor to certain cancers).

>

> T. Hiramatsu, M. Imoto, T. Koyano, K. Umezawa. Induction of Normal

Phenotypes in

> RAS-transformed cells by Damnacanthal from Morinda Citrifolia.

> Cancer Letters 73 (1993) 161-166.

>

August 2, 2000

Vince,

Noni's proxeronine is a powerful Cell Medicine. The scientist who

discovered proxeronine was paid by the pharmaceuticals to find this Cell

Medicine. They gave him a protein fraction, but the more he purified this

fraction, the weaker its healing activity.

I read a research done by discoverer of proxeronine. Rats were given

poison; one group was also given proxeronine. The controls (no

proxeronine) all did a " frantic dance, " leaped into the air, then fell

down dead. All the rats in the proxeronine group lived.

My friend takes Noni, and she's off medical drugs because of it. Some

people have been cured of cancer. If you have not researched Noni, it's

not fair to those who have cancer to criticize a product which may help

them.

I sent your comment to someone who sells Noni. He says it's a waste of

time explaining things to you. Here is his reply.

Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:59:06 EDT

From: Net@...

Subject: Re: Noni Juice

<< Please comment on the below. Thank you.

Joy >>

Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of replys

will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any benefit

then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands of

testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people get

results from.

The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years instinctively.

Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know that

there is something special about the product through their personal use,

their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers throughout the

world.

Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years before

all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the time

and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a patented

drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for a race

to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be able to

profit from.

I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It is

truly unbelievable.

Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

Quote....

" We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results, the

data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere in

the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you share

it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect. Don't

stop believing you are on the right track. "

This article is for informational purposes only. All information contained

herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be considered

medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the same

results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual. Independent

Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

> Sheri,

> Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni juice?

> Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you about

> this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit. With

> well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made millions.

> They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay their

> cards on the table.

> Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in Medline.

> " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

> activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is much

> better documented and much cheaper.

> Is this what your company told you:

>

> " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it. The

> primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called proxeronine

> goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it is then

> sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

> storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two hours the

> liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the bloodstream,

> and then on to various tissues of the body. "

>

> You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses portal

> circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream to the

> liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

>

> " This Hydrogen

> bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original Oxygen

> and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the Hydrogen

> bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger than

> steel " [Oh, my!]

> " Here is the

> explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the liquid then

> its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then it is

> possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are constantly

> unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display aqueous

> properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the bonds

> within water to its visible properties. "

>

> Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta love

> them.

> Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

>

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August 3, 2000

Joyce,

I am not particularly against MLM marketing. can give some

rationale arguments in favor of it, but that is not the discussion.

Noni juice is probably a very healthy drink. There are some amazing

health benefits with a number of juices. There are cancer cures and

therapies associated with juices from grape, all the citruses, apple,

raspberry, blueberry, pomegranate and most others. These can easily be

documented. The problem for MLMs and for conventional companies is that no

one entity can control the commodity juice market, so the markups are not

that inviting.

The company representatives addressed none of my concerns. They just

dismissed me as an anti MLM person. There is no science. A company

" doctor " explains that the product is imbued with a " holy spirit " .

Once the company loses its lock on the supply and the price comes down

to that of other juices, I'll probably buy some if it tastes as good as the

others.

Joyce, sales figures from a powerful, sophisticated, clever marketing

company aren't any kind of a substitute for science. I doubt that I would

trust company-sponsored " science " anyway. The company really does not need

formal structured science to prove that it is a worthwhile product.

If the company simply presented 100 sequential cancer-patient noni

purchasers and showed the results over two years, I would have something to

go on.

As to testimonials, most MLMs look through their files to find a

cancer patient who has been a repeat buyer. They contact him/her and offer

free product in exchange for a usable testimonial. This is terrible

science.

Re: Noni Juice

>

> << Please comment on the below. Thank you.

>

> Joy >>

>

> Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of replys

> will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any benefit

> then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands of

> testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

> sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people get

> results from.

>

> The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years instinctively.

>

> Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

> supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know that

> there is something special about the product through their personal use,

> their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers throughout

the

> world.

>

> Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years

before

> all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the

time

> and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a patented

> drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for a

race

> to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be able

to

> profit from.

>

> I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

> thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It is

> truly unbelievable.

>

> Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

>

> Quote....

>

> " We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

> cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

> Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

> cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results,

the

> data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere in

> the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

> your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you

share

> it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect.

Don't

> stop believing you are on the right track. "

>

> This article is for informational purposes only. All information

contained

> herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

> medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be

considered

> medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the same

> results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual.

Independent

> Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

>

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

>

> > Sheri,

> > Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni juice?

> > Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you about

> > this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit. With

> > well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made millions.

> > They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay

their

> > cards on the table.

> > Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in Medline.

> > " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

> > activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is much

> > better documented and much cheaper.

> > Is this what your company told you:

> >

> > " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it. The

> > primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called

proxeronine

> > goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it is

then

> > sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

> > storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two hours

the

> > liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the

bloodstream,

> > and then on to various tissues of the body. "

> >

> > You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses portal

> > circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream to

the

> > liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

> >

> > " This Hydrogen

> > bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original

Oxygen

> > and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the

Hydrogen

> > bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger than

> > steel " [Oh, my!]

> > " Here is the

> > explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the liquid

then

> > its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then it

is

> > possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are

constantly

> > unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display

aqueous

> > properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the

bonds

> > within water to its visible properties. "

> >

> > Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta love

> > them.

> > Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

> >

August 3, 2000

, have been reading the below with much interest, he he

ha ha, I am a neways dist. and have been selling noni juice for over

a year, has been taking noni juice all this time. This is one

of the reasons we were so surprised when he got prostate cancer.

We thought we were " protecting " ourselves. Makes you stop and

think doesn't it?

Re: Noni Juice

>Joyce,

> I am not particularly against MLM marketing. can give some

>rationale arguments in favor of it, but that is not the discussion.

> Noni juice is probably a very healthy drink. There are some amazing

>health benefits with a number of juices. There are cancer cures and

>therapies associated with juices from grape, all the citruses, apple,

>raspberry, blueberry, pomegranate and most others. These can easily be

>documented. The problem for MLMs and for conventional companies is that no

>one entity can control the commodity juice market, so the markups are not

>that inviting.

> The company representatives addressed none of my concerns. They just

>dismissed me as an anti MLM person. There is no science. A company

> " doctor " explains that the product is imbued with a " holy spirit " .

> Once the company loses its lock on the supply and the price comes

down

>to that of other juices, I'll probably buy some if it tastes as good as the

>others.

> Joyce, sales figures from a powerful, sophisticated, clever

marketing

>company aren't any kind of a substitute for science. I doubt that I would

>trust company-sponsored " science " anyway. The company really does not need

>formal structured science to prove that it is a worthwhile product.

> If the company simply presented 100 sequential cancer-patient noni

>purchasers and showed the results over two years, I would have something to

>go on.

> As to testimonials, most MLMs look through their files to find a

>cancer patient who has been a repeat buyer. They contact him/her and offer

>free product in exchange for a usable testimonial. This is terrible

>science.

>

> Re: Noni Juice

>>

>> << Please comment on the below. Thank you.

>>

>> Joy >>

>>

>> Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of replys

>> will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any

benefit

>> then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands of

>> testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

>> sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people get

>> results from.

>>

>> The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years

instinctively.

>>

>> Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

>> supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know that

>> there is something special about the product through their personal use,

>> their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers throughout

>the

>> world.

>>

>> Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years

>before

>> all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the

>time

>> and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a patented

>> drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for a

>race

>> to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be

able

>to

>> profit from.

>>

>> I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

>> thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It is

>> truly unbelievable.

>>

>> Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

>>

>> Quote....

>>

>> " We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

>> cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

>> Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

>> cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results,

>the

>> data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere

in

>> the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

>> your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you

>share

>> it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect.

>Don't

>> stop believing you are on the right track. "

>>

>> This article is for informational purposes only. All information

>contained

>> herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

>> medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be

>considered

>> medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the same

>> results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual.

>Independent

>> Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

>>

>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

>>

>> > Sheri,

>> > Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni

juice?

>> > Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you

about

>> > this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit. With

>> > well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made

millions.

>> > They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay

>their

>> > cards on the table.

>> > Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in Medline.

>> > " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

>> > activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is

much

>> > better documented and much cheaper.

>> > Is this what your company told you:

>> >

>> > " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it.

The

>> > primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called

>proxeronine

>> > goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it is

>then

>> > sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

>> > storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two hours

>the

>> > liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the

>bloodstream,

>> > and then on to various tissues of the body. "

>> >

>> > You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses portal

>> > circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream to

>the

>> > liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

>> >

>> > " This Hydrogen

>> > bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original

>Oxygen

>> > and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the

>Hydrogen

>> > bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger than

>> > steel " [Oh, my!]

>> > " Here is the

>> > explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the liquid

>then

>> > its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then

it

>is

>> > possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are

>constantly

>> > unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display

>aqueous

>> > properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the

>bonds

>> > within water to its visible properties. "

>> >

>> > Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta love

>> > them.

>> > Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

>> >

>

>Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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>

August 3, 2000

Cell Medicines

Proxeronine is just ONE of many cell medicines your body needs. Just as

Vince's glutathione is another cell medicine. I don't recommend just one

Cell Medicine as a " cure all " . (Review the many things I used to cure

myself of degenerative diseases in a previous post.)

My only reason to reply to Vince, is that he mislead people without doing

his research. I also replied to someone who criticized MGN-3, because I

felt he was also wrong. This is a learning group, and if we don't catch

each other's mistakes, we'll believe a lie to be the truth.

Cell Phones and Cancer

I just spoke to a woman whose daugher had a brain tumor, and by eating

organic foods, shark cartilage, shark oil, doing lots of intestinal

cleanses, MGN-3, etc., her headaches are gone. It took her only 2 months

to feel her " old self " again. She feels the tumor was caused by her cell

phone.

Joy

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, rusty wrote:

> , have been reading the below with much interest, he he

> ha ha, I am a neways dist. and have been selling noni juice for over

> a year, has been taking noni juice all this time. This is one

> of the reasons we were so surprised when he got prostate cancer.

> We thought we were " protecting " ourselves. Makes you stop and

> think doesn't it?

> Re: Noni Juice

>

> >Joyce,

> > I am not particularly against MLM marketing. can give some

> >rationale arguments in favor of it, but that is not the discussion.

> > Noni juice is probably a very healthy drink. There are some amazing

> >health benefits with a number of juices. There are cancer cures and

> >therapies associated with juices from grape, all the citruses, apple,

> >raspberry, blueberry, pomegranate and most others. These can easily be

> >documented. The problem for MLMs and for conventional companies is that no

> >one entity can control the commodity juice market, so the markups are not

> >that inviting.

> > The company representatives addressed none of my concerns. They just

> >dismissed me as an anti MLM person. There is no science. A company

> > " doctor " explains that the product is imbued with a " holy spirit " .

> > Once the company loses its lock on the supply and the price comes

> down

> >to that of other juices, I'll probably buy some if it tastes as good as the

> >others.

> > Joyce, sales figures from a powerful, sophisticated, clever

> marketing

> >company aren't any kind of a substitute for science. I doubt that I would

> >trust company-sponsored " science " anyway. The company really does not need

> >formal structured science to prove that it is a worthwhile product.

> > If the company simply presented 100 sequential cancer-patient noni

> >purchasers and showed the results over two years, I would have something to

> >go on.

> > As to testimonials, most MLMs look through their files to find a

> >cancer patient who has been a repeat buyer. They contact him/her and offer

> >free product in exchange for a usable testimonial. This is terrible

> >science.

> >

> > Re: Noni Juice

> >>

> >> << Please comment on the below. Thank you.

> >>

> >> Joy >>

> >>

> >> Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of replys

> >> will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any

> benefit

> >> then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands of

> >> testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

> >> sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people get

> >> results from.

> >>

> >> The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years

> instinctively.

> >>

> >> Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

> >> supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know that

> >> there is something special about the product through their personal use,

> >> their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers throughout

> >the

> >> world.

> >>

> >> Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years

> >before

> >> all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the

> >time

> >> and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a patented

> >> drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for a

> >race

> >> to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be

> able

> >to

> >> profit from.

> >>

> >> I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

> >> thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It is

> >> truly unbelievable.

> >>

> >> Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

> >>

> >> Quote....

> >>

> >> " We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

> >> cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

> >> Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

> >> cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results,

> >the

> >> data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere

> in

> >> the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

> >> your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you

> >share

> >> it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect.

> >Don't

> >> stop believing you are on the right track. "

> >>

> >> This article is for informational purposes only. All information

> >contained

> >> herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

> >> medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be

> >considered

> >> medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the same

> >> results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual.

> >Independent

> >> Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

> >>

> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

> >>

> >> > Sheri,

> >> > Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni

> juice?

> >> > Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you

> about

> >> > this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit. With

> >> > well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made

> millions.

> >> > They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay

> >their

> >> > cards on the table.

> >> > Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in Medline.

> >> > " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

> >> > activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is

> much

> >> > better documented and much cheaper.

> >> > Is this what your company told you:

> >> >

> >> > " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it.

> The

> >> > primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called

> >proxeronine

> >> > goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it is

> >then

> >> > sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

> >> > storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two hours

> >the

> >> > liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the

> >bloodstream,

> >> > and then on to various tissues of the body. "

> >> >

> >> > You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses portal

> >> > circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream to

> >the

> >> > liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

> >> >

> >> > " This Hydrogen

> >> > bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original

> >Oxygen

> >> > and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the

> >Hydrogen

> >> > bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger than

> >> > steel " [Oh, my!]

> >> > " Here is the

> >> > explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the liquid

> >then

> >> > its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then

> it

> >is

> >> > possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are

> >constantly

> >> > unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display

> >aqueous

> >> > properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the

> >bonds

> >> > within water to its visible properties. "

> >> >

> >> > Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta love

> >> > them.

> >> > Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

> >> >

> >

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August 3, 2000

Joyce sez:

> Proxeronine is just ONE of many cell medicines your body needs. Just as

> Vince's glutathione is another cell medicine. I don't recommend just one

> Cell Medicine as a " cure all " . (Review the many things I used to cure

> myself of degenerative diseases in a previous post.)

>

> My only reason to reply to Vince, is that he mislead people without doing

> his research. I also replied to someone who criticized MGN-3, because I

> felt he was also wrong. This is a learning group, and if we don't catch

> each other's mistakes, we'll believe a lie to be the truth.

Joyce,

You said that I mislead people without doing research. Wrong. I

searched for all scientific references I could find for Noni and peroxinine.

I found very little, and that which I found did not inspire confidence in

noni juice. I looked at the company literature and it was all BS -- and

poor quality BS at that. I spelled out how it was BS. Whoever wrote it had

no knowledge whatsoever of human anatomy.

How are we are supposed to be confident in high-priced " holy spirit "

containing juices with no documentation of any sort? It is not my job to

prove something doesn't work. I would think that it is the company's job to

provide evidence that their product does work. I am not the one doing the

misleading. It is this noni company that is doing the misleading. They

have a multimillion dollar financial incentive to mislead.

I don't know what you mean by " Vince's glutathione " . I don't/won't

sell glutathione. As to MGN-3, I've watched it for a while and I think that

it is probably a pretty good product -- in spite of the fact that Lane Labs

is producing it now.

August 3, 2000

I am sure glad to see someone seeing the positive effedts of Tahitian Noni

Juice. It is a beneficial natural alternative that can enhance the effects

of other treatments being used

since it works at the cellular level, it can help not only the immune system

but any other bodily function that is not up to par.

if anyone is interested in information, please contact me at svance@...

sheri

August 3, 2000

Vince,

noni juice works at the cellular level in that it attaches to the protein

receptors on the cell walls making the walls stronger, opens them up to be

able to release toxins inside the cell and makes the cell walls more able to

absorb other nutrients, thus makuing them more effective since they are

absorbed into the cells.

Up to par means exactly that, it a system is not working at it fullest

potential then it can use some help. True? The noni juice which contains

pro-xeronine is converted into xeronine in the intestines and stored in the

liver. about every two hours the liver is directed to release the xeronine,

the blood streem then taKES it to wherever the body feels that it it most

needed, usually these systems not working at their best.

This company, Morinda, is way above board,. If you have ever met with any

of the men in charge you would know that they are men of integrity that are

trying to take a product that can help a lot of people, to as many as

possible. To attack them, is imature on your part.

thanks

sheri

August 3, 2000

Sheri,

What does that mean that it " works at a cellular level " ? Exactly what

does it do? How does it help body functions that are " not up to par " ? Does

the reason they are not up to par matter? Is there anything that it won't

help?

Sheri, these are sincere questions. I feel sure that you are sincere

and I do know one person who likes the product, but the company comes across

in a most disconcerting way.

Thanks,

Re: Noni Juice

> I am sure glad to see someone seeing the positive effedts of Tahitian Noni

> Juice. It is a beneficial natural alternative that can enhance the

effects

> of other treatments being used

>

> since it works at the cellular level, it can help not only the immune

system

> but any other bodily function that is not up to par.

>

> if anyone is interested in information, please contact me at

svance@...

>

> sheri

>

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August 3, 2000

Sheri wrote:

> noni juice works at the cellular level in that it attaches to the protein

> receptors on the cell walls making the walls stronger, opens them up to be

> able to release toxins inside the cell and makes the cell walls more able

to

> absorb other nutrients, thus makuing them more effective since they are

> absorbed into the cells.

>

> Up to par means exactly that, it a system is not working at it fullest

> potential then it can use some help. True? The noni juice which contains

> pro-xeronine is converted into xeronine in the intestines and stored in

the

> liver. about every two hours the liver is directed to release the

xeronine,

> the blood streem then taKES it to wherever the body feels that it it most

> needed, usually these systems not working at their best.

>

> This company, Morinda, is way above board,. If you have ever met with any

> of the men in charge you would know that they are men of integrity that

are

> trying to take a product that can help a lot of people, to as many as

> possible. To attack them, is imature on your part.

responds:

Xeronine and proxeronine are not listed in Medline, nor or they listed in

Merck Index Twelveth Edition. Medline lists only four citations on Noni

(below). One was negative. The other three were positive, but they are by

the same researcher and just seem to be repeats of the same contrived lab

rat experiment. My guess is that this Hawaiian study was sponsored by the

purveyors of the Hawaiian noni juice. Their claim is that there is

immunomodulatory activity due to its polysaccharides. A polysaccharide is a

type of chemical that includes all starches and cellulose. I know of no

polysaccharides that are especially effective in the treatment of human

cancer, although there are a few semi-synthetic sugars with anticancer

activity, eg, 2-deoxy-D-glucose and D-glucaric acid.

Sheri, there are literally tens of thousands of similar studies of natural

fruit and vegetable extracts that show similar anticancer activity in inbred

tumor-bearing mice. The problem is that none of these others has a

marketing team behind it with an exotic tale to tell.

I am very glad that you find the Morinda sellers are men of integrity. As

Groucho Marx said, " The secret of success is honesty and fair dealing. If

you can fake those, you've got it made. "

(BTW, I give citations, Morinda doesn't)

Phytother Res 1999 Aug;13(5):380-7

An immunomodulatory polysaccharide-rich substance from the fruit juice of

Morinda citrifolia (noni) with antitumour activity.

Hirazumi A, Furusawa E

Department of Pharmacology, A., Burns School of Medicine, 1960 East

West Road, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI 96822, USA.

The fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (noni) contains a polysaccharide-rich

substance (noni-ppt) with antitumour activity in the lung (LLC)

peritoneal carcinomatosis model. Therapeutic administration of noni-ppt

significantly enhanced the duration of survival of inbred syngeneic LLC

tumour bearing mice. It did not exert significant cytotoxic effects in an

adapted culture of LLC cells, LLC1, but could activate peritoneal exudate

cells (PEC) to impart profound toxicity when co-cultured with the tumour

cells. This suggested the possibility that noni-ppt may suppress tumour

growth through activation of the host immune system. Concomitant treatment

with the immunosuppressive agent, 2-chloroadenosine (C1-Ade) or cyclosporin

(cys-A) diminished its activity, thereby substantiating an immunomodulatory

mechanism. Noni-ppt was also capable of stimulating the release of several

mediators from murine effector cells, including tumour necrosis factor-alpha

(TNF-alpha), interleukin-1beta (IL-1beta), IL-10, IL-12 p70,

interferon-gamma (IFN-gamma) and nitric oxide (NO), but had no effect on

IL-2 and suppressed IL-4 release. Improved survival time and curative

effects occurred when noni-ppt was combined with sub-optimal doses of the

standard chemotherapeutic agents, adriamycin (Adria), cisplatin (CDDP),

5-fluorouracil (5-FU), and vincristine (VCR), suggesting important clinical

applications of noni-ppt as a supplemental agent in cancer treatment.

Mueller BA, MK, Sowinski KM, Prag KA

Noni juice (Morinda citrifolia): hidden potential for hyperkalemia?

Am J Kidney Dis. 2000 Feb;35(2):310-2.

Hirazumi A, Furusawa E.

An immunomodulatory polysaccharide-rich substance from the fruit juice of

Morinda citrifolia (noni) with antitumour activity.

Phytother Res. 1999 Aug;13(5):380-7.

Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y.

Immunomodulation contributes to the anticancer activity of morinda

citrifolia (noni) fruit juice.

Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1996;39:7-9. No abstract available.

Hirazumi A, Furusawa E, Chou SC, Hokama Y.

Anticancer activity of Morinda citrifolia (noni) on intraperitoneally

implanted lung carcinoma in syngeneic mice.

Proc West Pharmacol Soc. 1994;37:145-6. No abstract available.

August 4, 2000

Vince,

it must be exhausting to be so pessimistic and antagonistic. The study that

you cited is only one that has been conducted. I am sending along some info

from Dr. Mona on (another doctor - not paid by Morinda). She is doing

some interesting research on noni juice and cancer, the results to be

published soon. As soon as it is, I will send to you first.

sheri

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and that you are a Guest of Sheri Vance

DR. MONA HARRISON, M.D.,land

" Why Noni effects all systems in the body. "

Noni mimics the juice that is secreted by the pineal gland in the brain.

Over

time it has a tendency to shrink down, and therefore does not secrete the

normal amounts of juice & horhormones. Noni has exactly the same proprieties

as the juice made and secreted by the pineal gland. All other endocrine

glands in the body operate normally because of the secretion it receives

form

the pineal gland. When not getting enough of this well needed juice, they

tend to shrink and not function properly.The Tahitian Noni Juice replenishes

this juice to all glands, and therefore every function of the body is

helped.

It feeds the pituitary, thyroid, adrenal gland*, pancreas and therefore

helps control the blood sugar. It also controls the sex organs and prostate.

The dark color of the Noni Juice is black, and the seeds have a golden

oil.**

A black pigment that comes from the Pineal Gland, also has the golden oil.

The Pineal Gland controls the Serotonin and Melatonin in the brain, which is

very necessary in the body. The melatonin is the pigment in our skin. Many

people have gone blind due to macular degeneration at the back of the eye,

where there is an important black pigment. When the pigment wears away with

age, they gradually go blind. The black pigment in Noni juice is building

this black pigment back in the eye and theblindness is being reversed. All

the organs in the body are being fed, including the skin.

*Adrenal Gland -which controls the heart and blood pressure.

Many diabetics have been helped.

..** The Noni Juice and the NONI OIL is used in the Noni Skin Supplement)

To Order Dr. Mona on Tape call Direct Source at 1-800-748-2996

August 14, 2000

I am a Neways Dist. don't have a website and don't try to sell, but if

any one wants some, let me know. Rustly

Re: Noni Juice

>

>>Joyce,

>> I am not particularly against MLM marketing. can give some

>>rationale arguments in favor of it, but that is not the discussion.

>> Noni juice is probably a very healthy drink. There are some amazing

>>health benefits with a number of juices. There are cancer cures and

>>therapies associated with juices from grape, all the citruses, apple,

>>raspberry, blueberry, pomegranate and most others. These can easily be

>>documented. The problem for MLMs and for conventional companies is that

no

>>one entity can control the commodity juice market, so the markups are not

>>that inviting.

>> The company representatives addressed none of my concerns. They just

>>dismissed me as an anti MLM person. There is no science. A company

>> " doctor " explains that the product is imbued with a " holy spirit " .

>> Once the company loses its lock on the supply and the price comes

>down

>>to that of other juices, I'll probably buy some if it tastes as good as

the

>>others.

>> Joyce, sales figures from a powerful, sophisticated, clever

>marketing

>>company aren't any kind of a substitute for science. I doubt that I would

>>trust company-sponsored " science " anyway. The company really does not

need

>>formal structured science to prove that it is a worthwhile product.

>> If the company simply presented 100 sequential cancer-patient noni

>>purchasers and showed the results over two years, I would have something

to

>>go on.

>> As to testimonials, most MLMs look through their files to find a

>>cancer patient who has been a repeat buyer. They contact him/her and

offer

>>free product in exchange for a usable testimonial. This is terrible

>>science.

>>

>> Re: Noni Juice

>>>

>>> << Please comment on the below. Thank you.

>>>

>>> Joy >>

>>>

>>> Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of

replys

>>> will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any

>benefit

>>> then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands

of

>>> testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

>>> sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people get

>>> results from.

>>>

>>> The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years

>instinctively.

>>>

>>> Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

>>> supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know that

>>> there is something special about the product through their personal use,

>>> their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers

throughout

>>the

>>> world.

>>>

>>> Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years

>>before

>>> all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the

>>time

>>> and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a

patented

>>> drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for a

>>race

>>> to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be

>able

>>to

>>> profit from.

>>>

>>> I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

>>> thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It is

>>> truly unbelievable.

>>>

>>> Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

>>>

>>> Quote....

>>>

>>> " We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

>>> cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

>>> Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

>>> cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results,

>>the

>>> data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere

>in

>>> the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

>>> your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you

>>share

>>> it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect.

>>Don't

>>> stop believing you are on the right track. "

>>>

>>> This article is for informational purposes only. All information

>>contained

>>> herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

>>> medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be

>>considered

>>> medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the same

>>> results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual.

>>Independent

>>> Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

>>>

>>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

>>>

>>> > Sheri,

>>> > Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni

>juice?

>>> > Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you

>about

>>> > this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit. With

>>> > well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made

>millions.

>>> > They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay

>>their

>>> > cards on the table.

>>> > Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in

Medline.

>>> > " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

>>> > activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is

>much

>>> > better documented and much cheaper.

>>> > Is this what your company told you:

>>> >

>>> > " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it.

>The

>>> > primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called

>>proxeronine

>>> > goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it is

>>then

>>> > sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

>>> > storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two hours

>>the

>>> > liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the

>>bloodstream,

>>> > and then on to various tissues of the body. "

>>> >

>>> > You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses

portal

>>> > circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream to

>>the

>>> > liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

>>> >

>>> > " This Hydrogen

>>> > bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original

>>Oxygen

>>> > and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the

>>Hydrogen

>>> > bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger

than

>>> > steel " [Oh, my!]

>>> > " Here is the

>>> > explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the liquid

>>then

>>> > its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then

>it

>>is

>>> > possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are

>>constantly

>>> > unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display

>>aqueous

>>> > properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the

>>bonds

>>> > within water to its visible properties. "

>>> >

>>> > Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta

love

>>> > them.

>>> > Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

>>> >

>>

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August 14, 2000

3 ounces a day

Re: Noni Juice

>>

>>>Joyce,

>>> I am not particularly against MLM marketing. can give some

>>>rationale arguments in favor of it, but that is not the discussion.

>>> Noni juice is probably a very healthy drink. There are some amazing

>>>health benefits with a number of juices. There are cancer cures and

>>>therapies associated with juices from grape, all the citruses, apple,

>>>raspberry, blueberry, pomegranate and most others. These can easily be

>>>documented. The problem for MLMs and for conventional companies is that

>no

>>>one entity can control the commodity juice market, so the markups are not

>>>that inviting.

>>> The company representatives addressed none of my concerns. They

just

>>>dismissed me as an anti MLM person. There is no science. A company

>>> " doctor " explains that the product is imbued with a " holy spirit " .

>>> Once the company loses its lock on the supply and the price comes

>>down

>>>to that of other juices, I'll probably buy some if it tastes as good as

>the

>>>others.

>>> Joyce, sales figures from a powerful, sophisticated, clever

>>marketing

>>>company aren't any kind of a substitute for science. I doubt that I

would

>>>trust company-sponsored " science " anyway. The company really does not

>need

>>>formal structured science to prove that it is a worthwhile product.

>>> If the company simply presented 100 sequential cancer-patient noni

>>>purchasers and showed the results over two years, I would have something

>to

>>>go on.

>>> As to testimonials, most MLMs look through their files to find a

>>>cancer patient who has been a repeat buyer. They contact him/her and

>offer

>>>free product in exchange for a usable testimonial. This is terrible

>>>science.

>>>

>>> Re: Noni Juice

>>>>

>>>> << Please comment on the below. Thank you.

>>>>

>>>> Joy >>

>>>>

>>>> Your best bet is to leave this type of person alone. No amount of

>replys

>>>> will keep a person who is anti-MLM. If the product was not of any

>>benefit

>>>> then there really would not be any record breaking sales and thousands

>of

>>>> testimonials. Morinda now has 1 Million distributors and 30 Million in

>>>> sales. The only way that could happen is with a product that people

get

>>>> results from.

>>>>

>>>> The Polynesians healers have been using noni for 2000 years

>>instinctively.

>>>>

>>>> Morinda makes no claims with its product. Only that it is a dietary

>>>> supplement. The research and testimonials are from people who know

that

>>>> there is something special about the product through their personal

use,

>>>> their pets use and through the on going studies of researchers

>throughout

>>>the

>>>> world.

>>>>

>>>> Remember that TAHITIAN NONI is a new product and it takes a few years

>>>before

>>>> all the research has presented itself. Most researchers will spend the

>>>time

>>>> and money to do such research if there is profit involved with a

>patented

>>>> drug. You cannot patent noni juice so there is not the motivation for

a

>>>race

>>>> to do research on a product that a pharmaceutical company will not be

>>able

>>>to

>>>> profit from.

>>>>

>>>> I hope this helps. I know it works without any documentation for the

>>>> thousands in my group that share their amazing stories every day. It

is

>>>> truly unbelievable.

>>>>

>>>> Here is a quote from Dr. Mona on:

>>>>

>>>> Quote....

>>>>

>>>> " We are on the cutting edge of eliminating cancer and eliminating

>>>> cardiovascular[disease]....,I guarantee you within two years, and

>>>> Tahitian Noni Juice will be one of the items that will see there is no

>>>> cancer, there is no cardiovascular disease . I have seen the results,

>>>the

>>>> data that is presented will stand up to any scientific review, anywhere

>>in

>>>> the world. There is a Holy Spirit in this juice. It is

>>>> your belief and your understanding in its use with the people that you

>>>share

>>>> it with, that will allow it to work or have it's most powerful effect.

>>>Don't

>>>> stop believing you are on the right track. "

>>>>

>>>> This article is for informational purposes only. All information

>>>contained

>>>> herein is not intended in any way as medical advice. No therapeutic or

>>>> medical claims have been implied or made. Articles should not be

>>>considered

>>>> medical advice. There is no guarantee that you will experience the

same

>>>> results depicted. Results may vary depending on the individual.

>>>Independent

>>>> Representative. Do not duplicate or publish without permission.

>>>>

>>>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, VGammill wrote:

>>>>

>>>> > Sheri,

>>>> > Are you using this list for the purpose of selling your noni

>>juice?

>>>> > Yesterday I received three identical Off List attachments from you

>>about

>>>> > this multi-level product. I think the product has little merit.

With

>>>> > well-orchestrated marketing from the beginning, they have made

>>millions.

>>>> > They have sold enough product that it is time for the company to lay

>>>their

>>>> > cards on the table.

>>>> > Neither " proxeronine " nor " xeronine " appears even once in

>Medline.

>>>> > " Noni " does appear in early research that may show immune modulatory

>>>> > activity due to polysaccharides. Aloe has a similar profile but is

>>much

>>>> > better documented and much cheaper.

>>>> > Is this what your company told you:

>>>> >

>>>> > " Let us first sum up what happens to the noni juice as you drink it.

>>The

>>>> > primary important ingredient in noni is a large molecule called

>>>proxeronine

>>>> > goes through your digestive tract into the large intestine where it

is

>>>then

>>>> > sent through the hepatic vein into the liver. The liver is the main

>>>> > storehouse for many of the body's essential nutrients. Every two

hours

>>>the

>>>> > liver releases a certain amount of this proxeronine into the

>>>bloodstream,

>>>> > and then on to various tissues of the body. "

>>>> >

>>>> > You might ask your company how this proxeronine (?) bypasses

>portal

>>>> > circulation, teleports to the hepatic vein, and then swims upstream

to

>>>the

>>>> > liver. Did the marketing guys do the research?

>>>> >

>>>> > " This Hydrogen

>>>> > bond (H-bond) is not quite as strong as the bond between the original

>>>Oxygen

>>>> > and Hydrogen in the molecule itself, but when you add up all of the

>>>Hydrogen

>>>> > bonds in a cup of water, it makes for a structure that is stronger

>than

>>>> > steel " [Oh, my!]

>>>> > " Here is the

>>>> > explanation: if the H-bonds are broken at random throughout the

liquid

>>>then

>>>> > its structure will remain strong, but if they are broken in line then

>>it

>>>is

>>>> > possible for water to behave as a liquid. If these H-bonds are

>>>constantly

>>>> > unzipping in line throughout the whole liquid then it will display

>>>aqueous

>>>> > properties and thus we will be able to reconcile the strength of the

>>>bonds

>>>> > within water to its visible properties. "

>>>> >

>>>> > Yup, I'm right -- marketing people did the science. You gotta

>love

>>>> > them.

>>>> > Sheri, please post any response openly on the list.

>>>> >

>>>

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August 15, 2000

If you would like to try some that tastes better & costs less, a company

call Neways has it for 1/2 price this month. Cost is approx $20, including

tax & shipping.

Kay Heizer