A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO CANCER TREATMENT

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

This article provides a different perpective to cancer treatment

mechanisms and describes the outcomes of a successful technique that

might be of help to some patients.

Cancer is defined as any malignant growth or tumor caused by abnormal

and uncontrolled cell division (mitosis). All cells require energy in

the form of ATP that is produced in the mitochondria to carry out

regular activities including the cell division. The rapidly dividing

cancer cells require much more energy in the form of ATP compared to

normal cells. Therefore a mechanism that may halt or control the

excessive ATP production of the cancer cells will eventually lead them

to cell death (necrosis) and can be a solution for controlling the

cancer..

In the cell the nucleus determines the amount of ATP to be produced

after analyzing the data obtained by several sensory molecules and then

sends the necessary messages to the mitochondria with the messenger

proteins to advise how much ATP should be produced. These messages are

received by the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane and

transmitted inside to initiate ATP production.

Please note that all biological processes in a living system are based

on selective transactions between the proteins and their targets. There

are more than 10,000 different proteins in a typical human cell

responsible for different processes. Therefore within the cell there

should be a very precise mechanism that will enable any particular

protein to locate its specific target among millions of other molecules.

The typical explanation of the established medicine is the classical

" lock and key " model where it is proposed that through bumping

into one another by chance - random collisions - those molecules that

have complementary shapes lock onto to each other so the appropriate

biochemical reactions can take place. However this is a rather

inadequate way of explaining the delicate mechanisms taking place inside

the cell. It is like trying to find a friend in a very dark crowded

ballroom in the dark. A superb article The Real Bioinformatics

Revolution (http://www.i-sis.org.uk/TheRealBioinformaticsRevolution.php ) ,

regarding this issue is written by Professor Mae-Wan Ho, the President

of the Institute for Science in Society.

In her article Prof Mae-Wan Ho was referring to the extensive research

of Prof Irena Cosic who had demonstrated that all protein sequences with

the common biological function have common characteristic frequency

component in the distribution of free energy of electrons along the

protein backbone that is related to the protein's biological

function.

Furthermore, Prof Cosic showed that the proteins and their targets have

the same characteristic frequency in common that can be used for

recognition and interaction between the particular protein and its

target at the distance. Thus, protein interactions can be considered as

resonant energy transfer between the interacting molecules and by

applying an electromagnetic field, it is possible to program, predict,

design and modify proteins and their bioactivity.

A rather simplified explanation of her research is that proteins

communicate with their targets only at a specific resonant frequency. So

if it is possible to determine the specific resonant frequency of a

certain biological process and apply it externally, it might be possible

to control, reverse or eliminate the malfunctioning process related to

it.

In that respect by applying the relevant resonant frequency of the

target protein responsible for the malfunctioning processes in the

mitochondria, it could be possible to control the excessive ATP

production and consequently the uncontrolled cell division. This is

exactly the method a brilliant scientist Dr Seckiner Gorgun discovered

back in 1970s and has perfected in time.

In his article Studies on the Interaction between Electromagnetic Fields

and Living Matter Neoplastic Cellular Culture

(http://www.gemm-therapy.com/eng/gemm_study.asp ) appeared in the

Temple University's Journal for Frontier Perspectives, Dr Gorgun

stated that the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane are

able to decipher electrical signals at a well defined resonant frequency

and amplitude by reacting in a specific way. He hypothesized that in

cancer cells, the excessive production of ATP is related to a shortening

of the glycoprotein sensors present on the mitochondrial membrane with

consequent lowering of the impedance that in turn does not discriminate

between the signals in frequency and activates the production of ATP in

an almost continual way. The cancer cell would therefore go into mitosis

due to the excess of ATP. In simple words any kind of message from the

environment at any frequency can trigger ATP production in cancer cells

as the glycoprotein sensors lost their sensitivity.

Dr Gorgun proposed that by applying specially modulated electromagnetic

waves at the relevant resonant frequencies, it would be possible to

increase the impedance of the glycoprotein sensors through the

lengthening of the polyglycidic chain. Because of the high impedance

induced on the mitochondrial membrane by the electromagnetic treatment,

this time the glycoprotein sensors become deaf to any kind of messages

they receive from the environment and the cancer cells stop producing

ATP and therefore enter into necrosis, the cell death.

In various cell studies he had conducted at the Marine Biology

Laboratory in Turkey, Hannover Medical School in Germany and the

National Cancer Institute in Thailand, Dr Gorgun documented both the

immediate destructive effects and the change in the morphology of the

cancer cells following this treatment.

Over the last 30 years he had successfully treated hundreds of terminal

cancer patients that did not respond to conventional therapies. A

typical example will be the Recurrent Glioblastoma Multiforme (a very

malignant brain tumor) whose tumor continued progression despite her

surgery, radiotherapy and different chemotherapy combinations and

considered to be a terminal case by her doctors in London. Her video

shows her perfect

condition two years after her GEMM Therapy.Several other patients with

different malignancies and widespread metastasis all over their body

were also successfully treated and referenced in Dr Gorgun's web

site..

As the treatment is non-invasive and the low-power radio waves used to

transmit the therapeutic signals at the specific resonant frequencies do

not pose any health risks, the effective treatment program can be an

interesting option for terminal cancer patients that do not have many

alternatives left for them.

For those interested to get to know about this promising treatment, the

web site http://www.gemm-therapy.com/ contains

in depth information including references from several medical doctors

and scientists who had first information regarding this unique approach

including Prof Beverly Rubik, the founding Director of Center for

Frontier Sciences at the Temple University, Dr Mark J. Nevue, the former

President of the National Foundation for Alternative Medicine, Prof

Hans-Joachim Schmoll, the Chief of Oncology and Hematology Department at

the Hannover Medical School, Prof Alberto De Renzo of Clinic Casa di

Cura, Dr Turhan Temucin, former Chief of Ankara Numune Hospital and Prof

Emilio Del Giudice of the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

All the Best,

Sam

[Guest guest]

Hi,

this is very interesting information, first time I heared about such

treatment.

But I have a question, is this Gemm therapy center only available in Pakistan?

thanks

Nelly

santeseek <santeseek@...> wrote:

Dear All,

This article provides a different perpective to cancer treatment

mechanisms and describes the outcomes of a successful technique that

might be of help to some patients.

Cancer is defined as any malignant growth or tumor caused by abnormal

and uncontrolled cell division (mitosis). All cells require energy in

the form of ATP that is produced in the mitochondria to carry out

regular activities including the cell division. The rapidly dividing

cancer cells require much more energy in the form of ATP compared to

normal cells. Therefore a mechanism that may halt or control the

excessive ATP production of the cancer cells will eventually lead them

to cell death (necrosis) and can be a solution for controlling the

cancer..

In the cell the nucleus determines the amount of ATP to be produced

after analyzing the data obtained by several sensory molecules and then

sends the necessary messages to the mitochondria with the messenger

proteins to advise how much ATP should be produced. These messages are

received by the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane and

transmitted inside to initiate ATP production.

Please note that all biological processes in a living system are based

on selective transactions between the proteins and their targets. There

are more than 10,000 different proteins in a typical human cell

responsible for different processes. Therefore within the cell there

should be a very precise mechanism that will enable any particular

protein to locate its specific target among millions of other molecules.

The typical explanation of the established medicine is the classical

" lock and key " model where it is proposed that through bumping

into one another by chance - random collisions - those molecules that

have complementary shapes lock onto to each other so the appropriate

biochemical reactions can take place. However this is a rather

inadequate way of explaining the delicate mechanisms taking place inside

the cell. It is like trying to find a friend in a very dark crowded

ballroom in the dark. A superb article The Real Bioinformatics

Revolution (http://www.i-sis.org.uk/TheRealBioinformaticsRevolution.php

<http://www.i-sis.org.uk/TheRealBioinformaticsRevolution.php> ) ,

regarding this issue is written by Professor Mae-Wan Ho, the President

of the Institute for Science in Society.

In her article Prof Mae-Wan Ho was referring to the extensive research

of Prof Irena Cosic who had demonstrated that all protein sequences with

the common biological function have common characteristic frequency

component in the distribution of free energy of electrons along the

protein backbone that is related to the protein's biological

function.

Furthermore, Prof Cosic showed that the proteins and their targets have

the same characteristic frequency in common that can be used for

recognition and interaction between the particular protein and its

target at the distance. Thus, protein interactions can be considered as

resonant energy transfer between the interacting molecules and by

applying an electromagnetic field, it is possible to program, predict,

design and modify proteins and their bioactivity.

A rather simplified explanation of her research is that proteins

communicate with their targets only at a specific resonant frequency. So

if it is possible to determine the specific resonant frequency of a

certain biological process and apply it externally, it might be possible

to control, reverse or eliminate the malfunctioning process related to

it.

In that respect by applying the relevant resonant frequency of the

target protein responsible for the malfunctioning processes in the

mitochondria, it could be possible to control the excessive ATP

production and consequently the uncontrolled cell division. This is

exactly the method a brilliant scientist Dr Seckiner Gorgun discovered

back in 1970s and has perfected in time.

In his article Studies on the Interaction between Electromagnetic Fields

and Living Matter Neoplastic Cellular Culture

(http://www.gemm-therapy.com/eng/gemm_study.asp

<http://www.gemm-therapy.com/eng/gemm_study.asp> ) appeared in the

Temple University's Journal for Frontier Perspectives, Dr Gorgun

stated that the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane are

able to decipher electrical signals at a well defined resonant frequency

and amplitude by reacting in a specific way. He hypothesized that in

cancer cells, the excessive production of ATP is related to a shortening

of the glycoprotein sensors present on the mitochondrial membrane with

consequent lowering of the impedance that in turn does not discriminate

between the signals in frequency and activates the production of ATP in

an almost continual way. The cancer cell would therefore go into mitosis

due to the excess of ATP. In simple words any kind of message from the

environment at any frequency can trigger ATP production in cancer cells

as the glycoprotein sensors lost their sensitivity.

Dr Gorgun proposed that by applying specially modulated electromagnetic

waves at the relevant resonant frequencies, it would be possible to

increase the impedance of the glycoprotein sensors through the

lengthening of the polyglycidic chain. Because of the high impedance

induced on the mitochondrial membrane by the electromagnetic treatment,

this time the glycoprotein sensors become deaf to any kind of messages

they receive from the environment and the cancer cells stop producing

ATP and therefore enter into necrosis, the cell death.

In various cell studies he had conducted at the Marine Biology

Laboratory in Turkey, Hannover Medical School in Germany and the

National Cancer Institute in Thailand, Dr Gorgun documented both the

immediate destructive effects and the change in the morphology of the

cancer cells following this treatment.

Over the last 30 years he had successfully treated hundreds of terminal

cancer patients that did not respond to conventional therapies. A

typical example will be the Recurrent Glioblastoma Multiforme (a very

malignant brain tumor) whose tumor continued progression despite her

surgery, radiotherapy and different chemotherapy combinations and

considered to be a terminal case by her doctors in London. Her video

<

> shows her perfect

condition two years after her GEMM Therapy. Several other patients

with different malignancies and widespread metastasis all over their

body were also successfully treated and referenced in Dr Gorgun's

web site.

As the treatment is non-invasive and the low-power radio waves used to

transmit the therapeutic signals at the specific resonant frequencies do

not pose any health risks, the effective treatment program can be an

interesting option for terminal cancer patients that do not have many

alternatives left for them.

For those interested to get to know about this promising treatment, the

web site www.gemm-therapy.com <http://www.gemm-therapy.com/> contains

in depth information including references from several medical doctors

and scientists who had first information regarding this unique approach

including Prof Beverly Rubik, the founding Director of Center for

Frontier Sciences at the Temple University, Dr Mark J. Nevue, the former

President of the National Foundation for Alternative Medicine, Prof

Hans-Joachim Schmoll, the Chief of Oncology and Hematology Department at

the Hannover Medical School, Prof Alberto De Renzo of Clinic Casa di

Cura, Dr Turhan Temucin, former Chief of Ankara Numune Hospital and Prof

Emilio Del Giudice of the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

All the Best,

Sam

[Guest guest]

Actually, your first premise that strong cells divide more

quickly is reversed, Santeseek. Stressed, weak cells divide more

rapidly than healthy cells, which have a longer non-stressed

quiescent phase, and cancer cells divide on only 1/15 of the

energy per molecule than would be produced by aerobic burning.

People on a health regime have been noted to have slower cancer

growth, not faster, and also less cancer starts even though more

energy is available for the tens of thousands of cancer cells

that are produced every day. See the HGH studies on elderly

people for more; they are posted in my HGH therapy archives:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

The clincher on the energy point is that when you increase ATP

energy made by the cancer cells they are no longer cancer. This

has been seen with the direct application of red LED light on

tumours, with ozone salve, and other methods (such as

electricity) that dislodge toxins or otherwise increase cell

respiration.

Duncan

On 28 Aug 2007 at 12:14, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 2029 wrote:

>

> Posted by: " santeseek " santeseek@... santeseek

[Guest guest]

Dear Duncan,

I believe some of the comments you have made are not relevant or clear enough as explained below :

1 - I do not understand clearly what you have meant by using the terminology of strong cells vs weak cells. If you can clarify the distinction, I'll be able to comment on it.What properties make a cell strong or weak.

2 - Cancer cells depend a lot on the less effective anaerobic glycolysis (fermentation) when there is hypoxia (not enough oxygen supply) producing 2 mol of ATP per 1 mol of glucose, compared to aerobic (oxidative) glycolysis producing 38 mol of ATP per 1 mol of Glucose. Although this is an inefficient process of producing 1/19 energy (not 1/15) per glucose, it does not mean that the total amount of energy cancer cells produce is 1/19 of the energy compared to the healthy cells. In order to rapidly grow and divide, cancer cells definitely require continuous energy production. To obtain it from the inefficient anaerobic glycolysis , the mitochondria need to work continuously to cope with the energy requirements. I'll be pleased if you can provide a reference stating that the mitochondria of the cancer cells produce less ATP than the mitochondria of healthy cells as you proposed in your post.

3 - Additionally contrary to the common belief, cancer cells are not incapable of obtaining energy from aerobic glycolysis but they rely on anaerobic glycolysis only when there is not enough oxygen supply. Please check the paper published by Guppy et al Contribution by different fuels and metabolic pathways to the total ATP turnover of proliferating MCF-7 breast cancer cells at http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1222574 & blobtype=pdf which has clear evidence that cancer cells can obtain 80% of their energy from regular aerobic glycolysis. As cancer cells consume a considerably high amount of glucose compared to regular cells, it is evident that they are producing ATP at a much higher rate than regular cells.

4 - I also couldn't understand the relevance of your comment "People on a health regime have been noted to have slower cancer growth, not faster, and also less cancer starts even though more energy is available for the tens of thousands of cancer cells that are produced every day" with the hypothesis of malfunctioning glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondria membranes I have pointed out in my post. One is something happening on a macro scale the other is a very specific process happening on a micro scale. I simple could not understand the precise link. I do also believe that patients on a health regime would probably do better compared to people on an unhealthy regime but what is the point.

5 - I would also be pleased if you can provide details and references of your hypothesis that when you increase the ATP made by the cancer cells they are no longer cancer. How increased ATP production of cancer cells make them normal?

Best Regards,

Sam

> > > > > Posted by: "santeseek" santeseek@... santeseek>

[Guest guest]

GEMM Therapy has been used in Italy between 1988 till 1999 and in

Turkey between 1999 till 2006. It has been used in Pakistan during

its infancy between 1977 - 1978.

The new clinic will be opened in Switzerland by the end of October.

Best Regards,

Sam

>

> Dear All,

>

> This article provides a different perpective to cancer treatment

> mechanisms and describes the outcomes of a successful technique that

> might be of help to some patients.

>

> Cancer is defined as any malignant growth or tumor caused by

abnormal

> and uncontrolled cell division (mitosis). All cells require energy

in

> the form of ATP that is produced in the mitochondria to carry out

> regular activities including the cell division. The rapidly dividing

> cancer cells require much more energy in the form of ATP compared to

> normal cells. Therefore a mechanism that may halt or control the

> excessive ATP production of the cancer cells will eventually lead

them

> to cell death (necrosis) and can be a solution for controlling the

> cancer..

>

> In the cell the nucleus determines the amount of ATP to be produced

> after analyzing the data obtained by several sensory molecules and

then

> sends the necessary messages to the mitochondria with the messenger

> proteins to advise how much ATP should be produced. These messages

are

> received by the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane

and

> transmitted inside to initiate ATP production.

>

> Please note that all biological processes in a living system are

based

> on selective transactions between the proteins and their targets.

There

> are more than 10,000 different proteins in a typical human cell

> responsible for different processes. Therefore within the cell there

> should be a very precise mechanism that will enable any particular

> protein to locate its specific target among millions of other

molecules.

>

> The typical explanation of the established medicine is the classical

> " lock and key " model where it is proposed that through bumping

> into one another by chance - random collisions - those molecules

that

> have complementary shapes lock onto to each other so the appropriate

> biochemical reactions can take place. However this is a rather

> inadequate way of explaining the delicate mechanisms taking place

inside

> the cell. It is like trying to find a friend in a very dark crowded

> ballroom in the dark. A superb article The Real Bioinformatics

> Revolution (http://www.i-

sis.org.uk/TheRealBioinformaticsRevolution.php

> <http://www.i-sis.org.uk/TheRealBioinformaticsRevolution.php> ) ,

> regarding this issue is written by Professor Mae-Wan Ho, the

President

> of the Institute for Science in Society.

>

> In her article Prof Mae-Wan Ho was referring to the extensive

research

> of Prof Irena Cosic who had demonstrated that all protein sequences

with

> the common biological function have common characteristic frequency

> component in the distribution of free energy of electrons along the

> protein backbone that is related to the protein's biological

> function.

>

> Furthermore, Prof Cosic showed that the proteins and their targets

have

> the same characteristic frequency in common that can be used for

> recognition and interaction between the particular protein and its

> target at the distance. Thus, protein interactions can be

considered as

> resonant energy transfer between the interacting molecules and by

> applying an electromagnetic field, it is possible to program,

predict,

> design and modify proteins and their bioactivity.

>

> A rather simplified explanation of her research is that proteins

> communicate with their targets only at a specific resonant

frequency. So

> if it is possible to determine the specific resonant frequency of a

> certain biological process and apply it externally, it might be

possible

> to control, reverse or eliminate the malfunctioning process related

to

> it.

>

> In that respect by applying the relevant resonant frequency of the

> target protein responsible for the malfunctioning processes in the

> mitochondria, it could be possible to control the excessive ATP

> production and consequently the uncontrolled cell division. This is

> exactly the method a brilliant scientist Dr Seckiner Gorgun

discovered

> back in 1970s and has perfected in time.

>

> In his article Studies on the Interaction between Electromagnetic

Fields

> and Living Matter Neoplastic Cellular Culture

> (http://www.gemm-therapy.com/eng/gemm_study.asp

> <http://www.gemm-therapy.com/eng/gemm_study.asp> ) appeared in the

> Temple University's Journal for Frontier Perspectives, Dr Gorgun

> stated that the glycoprotein sensors of the mitochondrial membrane

are

> able to decipher electrical signals at a well defined resonant

frequency

> and amplitude by reacting in a specific way. He hypothesized that in

> cancer cells, the excessive production of ATP is related to a

shortening

> of the glycoprotein sensors present on the mitochondrial membrane

with

> consequent lowering of the impedance that in turn does not

discriminate

> between the signals in frequency and activates the production of

ATP in

> an almost continual way. The cancer cell would therefore go into

mitosis

> due to the excess of ATP. In simple words any kind of message from

the

> environment at any frequency can trigger ATP production in cancer

cells

> as the glycoprotein sensors lost their sensitivity.

>

> Dr Gorgun proposed that by applying specially modulated

electromagnetic

> waves at the relevant resonant frequencies, it would be possible to

> increase the impedance of the glycoprotein sensors through the

> lengthening of the polyglycidic chain. Because of the high impedance

> induced on the mitochondrial membrane by the electromagnetic

treatment,

> this time the glycoprotein sensors become deaf to any kind of

messages

> they receive from the environment and the cancer cells stop

producing

> ATP and therefore enter into necrosis, the cell death.

>

> In various cell studies he had conducted at the Marine Biology

> Laboratory in Turkey, Hannover Medical School in Germany and the

> National Cancer Institute in Thailand, Dr Gorgun documented both the

> immediate destructive effects and the change in the morphology of

the

> cancer cells following this treatment.

>

> Over the last 30 years he had successfully treated hundreds of

terminal

> cancer patients that did not respond to conventional therapies. A

> typical example will be the Recurrent Glioblastoma Multiforme (a

very

> malignant brain tumor) whose tumor continued progression despite her

> surgery, radiotherapy and different chemotherapy combinations and

> considered to be a terminal case by her doctors in London. Her

video

>

> <

> shows her perfect

> condition two years after her GEMM Therapy. Several other patients

> with different malignancies and widespread metastasis all over their

> body were also successfully treated and referenced in Dr Gorgun's

> web site.

>

> As the treatment is non-invasive and the low-power radio waves used

to

> transmit the therapeutic signals at the specific resonant

frequencies do

> not pose any health risks, the effective treatment program can be an

> interesting option for terminal cancer patients that do not have

many

> alternatives left for them.

>

> For those interested to get to know about this promising treatment,

the

> web site www.gemm-therapy.com <http://www.gemm-therapy.com/>

contains

> in depth information including references from several medical

doctors

> and scientists who had first information regarding this unique

approach

> including Prof Beverly Rubik, the founding Director of Center for

> Frontier Sciences at the Temple University, Dr Mark J. Nevue, the

former

> President of the National Foundation for Alternative Medicine, Prof

> Hans-Joachim Schmoll, the Chief of Oncology and Hematology

Department at

> the Hannover Medical School, Prof Alberto De Renzo of Clinic Casa di

> Cura, Dr Turhan Temucin, former Chief of Ankara Numune Hospital and

Prof

> Emilio Del Giudice of the Italian National Institute of Nuclear

Physics.

>

> All the Best,

>

> Sam

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/29/07 9:12:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

santeseek@... writes:

> The new clinic will be opened in Switzerland by the end of October.

>

Please let us know when a clinic will open in the US or Canada or Mexico.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sam, a cell under stress has been weakened. The main thrust of

the comment was one of oxidative stress, glutathione depletion

but certainly there can be other stressors such as ionic

impairment of membrane transfer. I observe in the literature that

healthy, non-stressed cells fail to divide as fast as stressed

cells due to a longer resting phase that is shortened when the

cell is under stress. This applies to cancer and normal growth.

You have indicated more energy is required by cancer cells than

normal cells; you have not shown proof and I and many others on

this list would contest the statement. I submit that cancer cells

are not thriving at this level but are barely keeping themselves

alive enough to multiply. It's fairly well known that when one

increases the ATP energy generation of those cells they become

normal, not cancer at all. In fact, high-energy cancer cells do

not exist.

In no way does this negate your statement that cancer can obtain

some energy by aerobic means, but this is not a high-energy

situation but still bare survival.

The relevance of my comment " People on a health regime have been

noted to have slower cancer growth, not faster, and also less

cancer starts even though more energy is available for the tens

of thousands of cancer cells that are produced every day " was

on the subject of the energy level and lifecycle duration of a

cancer cell. It is not relevant to the hypothesis of

malfunctioning glycoprotein etc... which we have not discussed.

I agree with you on the importance of having intact glycoproteins

where they should be, and I think this has gone far beyond

hypothesis.

It seems you hadn't heard of this one Sam but when you bathe

cancer in deep red LED or laser light it seems the ATP increase

gained shrinks the tumor I think we've discussed it on this

very list and it should be in the archives, and also available

through keyword searches on ATP red light cancer:

http://tinyurl.com/3xt2gs

Check out Dr. Bormann's references:

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/chilite.htm

The first one I quote " , Sir Arthur, Beyond Gravity,

National Geographic Jan. 7, 2001, p2-29. Reports that Dr. Harry

T. Whelan of the University of Wisconsin Medical School has

successfully treated wounds, third degree burns, and brain cancer

with LEDs. " indicates the field is not that new.

The subject of this forum, the Beck protocol, and other electric

approaches have been noted to shrink cancer, in some cases it

seems by both killing weak cells and normalizing stronger ones.

Sorry Sam I don't have the docs at hand any more but others on

this list will. The GEIPE electronic remedy on the other hand

only stops the proliferation of cancer by interfering with the

proliferative enzyme..

The glutathione approach, which makes more ATP energy molecules

as well as quenching more toxins through the use of undenatured

whey, has shrunk tumours evcen on its own. The work is documented

on my glutathione references page.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

I think some of your other questions would be answered more fully

on the cures for cancer group.

Duncan

On 30 Aug 2007 at 12:09, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 2031 wrote:

>

> Posted by: " santeseek " santeseek@... santeseek

> Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:07 am ((PDT))

>

>

> Dear Duncan,

>

> I believe some of the comments you have made are not relevant or clear

> enough as explained below :

>

> 1 - I do not understand clearly what you have meant by using the

> terminology of strong cells vs weak cells. If you can clarify the

> distinction, I'll be able to comment on it.What properties make a cell

> strong or weak.

>

> 2 - Cancer cells depend a lot on the less effective anaerobic

> glycolysis (fermentation) when there is hypoxia (not enough oxygen

> supply) producing 2 mol of ATP per 1 mol of glucose, compared to

> aerobic (oxidative) glycolysis producing 38 mol of ATP per 1 mol of

> Glucose. Although this is an inefficient process of producing 1/19

> energy (not 1/15) per glucose, it does not mean that the total amount

> of energy cancer cells produce is 1/19 of the energy compared to the

> healthy cells. In order to rapidly grow and divide, cancer cells

> definitely require continuous energy production. To obtain it from the

> inefficient anaerobic glycolysis , the mitochondria need to work

> continuously to cope with the energy requirements. I'll be pleased if

> you can provide a reference stating that the mitochondria of the

> cancer cells produce less ATP than the mitochondria of healthy cells

> as you proposed in your post.

>

> 3 - Additionally contrary to the common belief, cancer cells are not

> incapable of obtaining energy from aerobic glycolysis but they rely on

> anaerobic glycolysis only when there is not enough oxygen supply.

> Please check the paper published by Guppy et al Contribution

> by different fuels and metabolic pathways to the total ATP turnover of

> proliferating MCF-7 breast cancer cells at

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1222574 & blobtype

> =p\ df

> <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1222574 & blobtyp

> e=\ pdf> which has clear evidence that cancer cells can obtain 80% of

> their energy from regular aerobic glycolysis. As cancer cells consume

> a considerably high amount of glucose compared to regular cells, it is

> evident that they are producing ATP at a much higher rate than regular

> cells.

>

> 4 - I also couldn't understand the relevance of your comment " People

> on a health regime have been noted to have slower cancer growth, not

> faster, and also less cancer starts even though more energy is

> available for the tens of thousands of cancer cells that are produced

> every day " with the hypothesis of malfunctioning glycoprotein sensors

> of the mitochondria membranes I have pointed out in my post. One is

> something happening on a macro scale the other is a very specific

> process happening on a micro scale. I simple could not understand the

> precise link. I do also believe that patients on a health regime would

> probably do better compared to people on an unhealthy regime but what

> is the point.

>

> 5 - I would also be pleased if you can provide details and references

> of your hypothesis that when you increase the ATP made by the cancer

> cells they are no longer cancer. How increased ATP production of

> cancer cells make them normal?

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sam

>

[Guest guest]

Webster, I don't think the only way to elevate ATP is to kill a

bacterial infection (or Bx, By virus) in a cancer cell.

That statement has not been shown with a decent degree of proof

any more than the " cancer is a fungus " statement has, and basing

your theory on a lab full of destroyed equipment is dangerous.

Duncan

On 6 Sep 2007 at 12:06, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 2037 wrote:

> Re: A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO CANCER TREATMENT

> Posted by: " Meredith " meredith848@... meredith848

> Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 7:46 pm ((PDT))

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> Webster Kehr <cancertutor@...> wrote: :

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> The ONLY way to increase the ATP energy of a cancer cell is to kill

> the microbe(s) inside the cancer cell. No one (except Royal Rife)

> has figured out a way to do this yet. His technology was destroyed

> by the AMA and FDA (what a surprise).

>

> Webster