Re:graviola -- a mitochondrial poison

[Guest guest]

The seeds of graviola are not used for cancer

treatment. The seeds can cause toxicity. ONLY THE

LEAVES ARE USED for cancer treatment. As we all know,

different parts of plants have different effects. In

the Caribbean and other places, people tend to eat the

FRUIT everyday. This caused neurotoxicity to them.

One must only eat the fruit once in a while. The only

negative side effect of consuming graviola leaves for

more than a month is that it would kill the good

bacteria in the gut so one has to take good

probiotics. I've read many different reports on

graviola. But again, since we only make tea out of

the leaves, it does not harm to us. We've been

consuming this for years on and off.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I believe you have made a mistake about using graviola leaves for best

result, but I too could be wrong. For years, I have run a Paw Paw

page on my web site

http://alternativecancer.us/ Although Paw Paw and graviola are very

similar, there are differences. I know that the extract used in Paw

Paw is derived from the stems only. If you search " graviola stems "

you will see that many manufacturers use an extract of the leaves and

stems. I believe that the stems have the best anti-cancer compounds.

Only stems are used in reputable Paw Paw supplements and Paw Paw has

all the active cancer fighting compounds that graviola has plus some

others. Paw Paw manufactured by Nature's Sunshine only uses stem

extract only and it is taken at one time of the year when the

compounds are most effective. If you want to use the compounds found

in graviola to fight cancer, I believe you would do better to use

Nature's Sunshine's Paw Paw. I don't sell it nor am I a distributor

for any Nature's Sunshine products.

Winter

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> The seeds of graviola are not used for cancer

> treatment. The seeds can cause toxicity. ONLY THE

> LEAVES ARE USED for cancer treatment. As we all know,

> different parts of plants have different effects. In

> the Caribbean and other places, people tend to eat the

> FRUIT everyday. This caused neurotoxicity to them.

> One must only eat the fruit once in a while. The only

> negative side effect of consuming graviola leaves for

> more than a month is that it would kill the good

> bacteria in the gut so one has to take good

> probiotics. I've read many different reports on

> graviola. But again, since we only make tea out of

> the leaves, it does not harm to us. We've been

> consuming this for years on and off.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A comparison of graviola and paw paw can be found at:

http://www.rain-tree.com/graviolamax2.htm

I do think the comparison is quite superficial as it doesn't give

amounts of the individual components for (1) the many species of both

plants or (2) for the different parts of the plant if harvested at

different times of the year. Paw paw stems, for example, are said to

be much richer in the active components if collected May and

June. No one really knows the activities of the various components

or the various possible synergisms among these components.

There are a number of other natural cancer-fighting compounds that

inhibit mitochondrial function. If used together with graviola will

these accelerate mitochondrial dysfunction and at the same time

accelerate extrapyramidal brain rot? Such damage is likely

irreversable. What about the concurrent use of agents that restore

mitochondrial function such as DCA and CoQ10?

[Guest guest]

The graviola leaves have acetogenins too. Graviola is

similar to pawpaw but pawpaw has something that

graviola does not possess making pawpaw more potent.

I use graviola because back then in the Philippines we

have several trees that are just grown in the wild. We

only used the leaves. As always, only 7 leaves for tea

at a time. I used the leaves not because i have cancer

but because of its therapeutic effect on diabetes. It

helped and so far i am cancer free despite my AWFUL

diet- sugars, fats, junk food, etc. I now am a

reformed semi-vegitarian coz we eat fish and

crustaceans. I can say right here that it is safe to

use the leaves as I am still alive and kicking and

still " cancer free " .

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was very interested to see your comments about using the Paw Paw leaves for

diabetes. I am looking forward to doing more research on that subject. I did

run across a very interesting page on the web about the differences in graviola

and paw paw and how graviola may be inferior to paw paw. For those people who

may be working with cancers this may provide some insight as to the differences.

I am enclosing the link for you to review:

http://www.pawpawresearch.com/graviola-inferior.htm

On this same website there are some very interesting comments form Dr. Jerry

McLaughlin in a video format about the differences in paw paw and graviola and

the parts of the plants that are used. It was a pleasure to read yours and and

Winters comments.

Thank you,

Ashlie

[Guest guest]

, pardon my asking, but what is " extrapyramidal brain rot " ?

P.S. And how does it differ from INTRApyrimidal brain rot?

Inquiring Mind RB

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> A comparison of graviola and paw paw can be found at:

> http://www.rain-tree.com/graviolamax2.htm

>

> I do think the comparison is quite superficial as it doesn't give

> amounts of the individual components for (1) the many species of both

> plants or (2) for the different parts of the plant if harvested at

> different times of the year. Paw paw stems, for example, are said to

> be much richer in the active components if collected May and

> June. No one really knows the activities of the various components

> or the various possible synergisms among these components.

>

> There are a number of other natural cancer-fighting compounds that

> inhibit mitochondrial function. If used together with graviola will

> these accelerate mitochondrial dysfunction and at the same time

> accelerate extrapyramidal brain rot? Such damage is likely

> irreversable. What about the concurrent use of agents that restore

> mitochondrial function such as DCA and CoQ10?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ashlie,

I don't use pawpaw leaves. I use Graviola leaves.

As to the potency of pawpaw over graviola to me, IMHO,

is questionable. I believe the original study at

Purdue was on Graviola (Anona Muricata). Then they

did research on the other anona species, including

pawpaw. It is my understanding that Mr. McLaughlin

sold his patent to the makers of the pawpaw pills. So

it is understandable for him to speak and be

supportive of pawpaw even though he is not directly

connected to the pharma that makes the pawpaw pills.

I am not criticizing him for this though and for all i

know, he could be so right in saying pawpaw is more

potent; but also we know graviola has more components

not found in pawpaw, and if these makes it more

superior to pawpaw is anybody's guess. More

studies/tests have been made on Graviola (with

positive reports on almost all cancers in lab tests)

than pawpaw. Graviola studies/tests in Asia even added

more to the list of cancer cells it can destroy.

Remember, it was the curative values of Graviola

(anona muricata) that one big pharma hid from the rest

of the world coz they could not patent acetogenins.

And if you go to the website of rain-tree.com, you

will see the other traditional uses of graviola in

other countries and this gave me more confidence to

use it.

I've seen that video too. But he did not convince me;

i don't recall him giving examples of many people with

cancer being helped by pawpaw. At the same time, there

are also no numbers available for graviola.

So there, again, one has to decide for

himself/herself.