Re: New here intro - son has autism & ganglioneuroblastoma

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> CARNIVORA ® Immune Modulator & Enhancer

>

> The original natural discovery from Germany, developed by Helmut Keller MD,

> a world renown Cancer physician.

>

> Dr Morton in his book " German Cancer Therapies " wrote that CARNIVORA

> ® is made from the Venus Flytrap plant, the same plant that Darwin

> called " The most wonderful plant in the World " . He also says that Carnivora ®

> is a patented phytonutrient extract of the Venus flytrap plant, Dionaea

> muscipula. It is non-toxic and contains properties that are immunomodulatory,

> anti-viral, antitumoral, antiparasitic, antimicrobial & antibacterial.

>

> Additionally Carnivora enhances the action of natural antibiotics due to its

> effect on antibiotic bacteria. From this most unique plant comes an array of

> constituents with diverse properties that have shown in extensive research

> and clinical studies to assist in the prevention of illness and disease as

> well as battle even the most deadly diseases including cancer for 30 years.

> Carnivora is a broad spectrum agent against gram positive and gram negative

> microorganisms, bacteria, viruses, pathogenic fungi, protozoa and human

pathogenic

> worms.

>

> Due to the effect Carnivora has on the immune system, it is an effective

> treatment for infections caused by RNA viruses and chronic infectious diseases

> such as influenza, lyme diseases, hepatitis C, Chrohn's disease, sexually

> transmitted diseases, candidiasis, chronic fatique syndrome , lupus,

ulcerative

> colitis, multiple sclerosis, psoriasis, chronic arthritis and other

> immune-deficient and autoimmune diseases ie SARS.

>

> Cancer Studies reported in the Book " German Cancer Therapies " by Dr Morton

> . Studies of Carnivora® were conducted by professor Dieter Kurt

> Todorov,M.D., D.Sc., chief of laboratories of the oncopharmacology at the

National

> Oncological center of Bulgaria

>

> Study One: In his first study, Professor Todorov learned that ovarian cancer

> cells in a rat model tumor (in vivo) exposed to 200 nanograms (ng) per

> milliliter (ml) of Carnivora® reduced their number 1500 cells to 435 cells

within

> forty-eight hours of exposure.

>

> Study Two: Professor Todorov's second study carried out for seven days on

> human glioblastoma ( brain cancer) cells saw 200 ng/ml of Carnivora ®

> diminished the cancer cell number by half ( from exactly 109 cells to 55). He

proved

> that the smaller a tumor is, the more effectively Carnivora ® works to bring

> about a reduction in separate cellular units. For this reason, it's imperative

> to administer the Carnivora to patients as soon as any size, shape, or type

> of cancer is discovered. The earlier the chance of survival is dramatically

> increased.

>

> Study Three: With this investigation , professor Todorov exposed 2,500

> experimental human sarcoma cells to Carnivora® for seventy-two hours, at which

> time they dropped in number to 880 cells. This in vitro experiment can be

> transposed into a vivo finding.

>

> Study Four: Professor Todorov reported that 1711 cells of human ovarian

> cancer diminished to 359 cells upon being exposed to 200ng/ml of Carnivora ®

> during a forty-eight hour period. This particular cancer failed to respond to

> chemotherapy with cisplatin. Despite the ovarian cancer cells being

chemotherapy

> resistant, Carnivora ® was able to reduce the cell number.

>

> Study Five: In Professor Todorov's fifth study he examined cancer cells on a

> Petri dish and then under a microscope. He showed that treatment with

> 200ng/ml of Carnivora ® reduced 3100 cells of human T-Lymphoblastic leukemia

to

> 1820 cancer cells in seventy two hours. This is laboratory proof of Dr.

Kellers

> experience in clinical practice in Germany that Carnivora ® works well after

> its long exposure ( from four weeks up to six months) to the blood

> constituents of chronic myeloid leukemia and chronic lymphatic leukemia .

Based on Dr.

> Kellers's prolonged period of experience with treating leukemias using his

> Carnivora ® pump, these blood dyscrasias may be considered reversible and

> curable. All of the leukemia patients who have consulted him during the past

year

> are still alive, reside in their own homes, or ambulate as tourists

> vacationing in Germany.

>

> Study Six: For this study Professor Todorov took 2,200 multidrug-resistant

> human sarcoma cells and reduced them to 1130 cells in seventy two hours by

> exposing them to 400mg of Carnivora®.

>

> Study Seven: In his seventh study Professor Todorov exposed human leukemia

> cells all of which had proven to be multidrug resistant to 200ng/ml Carnivora

> ®. Within seventy-two hours, the abnormal, immature, and leukemic white blood

> cells responded well to Carnivora ® and were reduced in number from 2,250 to

> 570. Leukemia is successfully treated with squeezed juice of the Venus'

> Flytrap.

>

>

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Dr. Budwig diet - flaxseed oil and low fat cottage cheese ..

Many good reports.. flaxseeddoil2 at ..

Dave

wrote:

> Hello all : I am glad I found this group - my son is 8 yrs old and we

> recently found out he has a ganglioneuroblastoma. He has autism also,

> so we have been around the block a time or two with what is

> considered " alternative " treatments - too many things to list we've

> tried or are doing in this intro post. For those with children -

> anyone trying the Venus Fly Trap herb? What about Samento and IP6 and

> maitake?? My son's autism doctor wants us to try the Venus Fly

> Trap.. I should mention that he is a stage 2 - had surgery on Sept 14

> but the surgeon was unable to get all of the tumor out (in a very

> precarious location - near his spinal chord in between his rectum and

> tailbone). The oncologists at Vanderbilt have recommended the " wait &

> see " approach because they say Jake's tumor is favorable - however, I

> want to do what I can to help shrink it. They are not recommending

> chemo. I just wanted to post to see if there are others on this list

> who are using alternative therapies for children. Anybody else on

> this list who also has a child with autism AND cancer? Right now, on

> all of the other autism I'm in, I am feeling very alone.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Where is the best place to purchase Carnivora and how much would

you take to treat cancer?

szukipoo wrote:

>CARNIVORA ® Immune Modulator & Enhancer

>The original natural discovery from Germany, developed by Helmut

Keller MD, a world renown Cancer physician.

>Dr Morton in his book " German Cancer Therapies " wrote that

CARNIVORA ® is made from the Venus Flytrap plant, the same plant that

Darwin called " The most wonderful plant in the World " . He also says that

Carnivora ® is a patented phytonutrient extract of the Venus flytrap plant,

Dionaea muscipula. It is non-toxic and contains properties that are

immunomodulatory, anti-viral, antitumoral, antiparasitic, antimicrobial &

antibacterial.

>Additionally Carnivora enhances the action of natural antibiotics

due to its effect on antibiotic bacteria. From this most unique plant comes an

array of constituents with diverse properties that have shown in extensive

research and clinical studies to assist in the prevention of illness and disease

as well as battle even the most deadly diseases including cancer for 30 years.

..........

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I sent you a private email about LDN and autism and

cancer. Now I have the group for Dr. Candless

and autism using LDN.

Autism_LDN

Look into it as benefits both cancer and autism.

Dee

--- <fstatum@...> wrote:

> Hello all : I am glad I found this group - my son is 8 yrs old and we

recently found out he has a ganglioneuroblastoma. He has autism also, so we have

been around the block a time or two with what is

> considered " alternative " treatments - too many things to list we've

> tried or are doing in this intro post. For those with children -

> anyone trying the Venus Fly Trap herb? What about Samento and IP6 and

maitake?? My son's autism doctor wants us to try the Venus Fly

> Trap.. I should mention that he is a stage 2 - had surgery on Sept 14 but the

surgeon was unable to get all of the tumor out (in a very

> precarious location - near his spinal chord in between his rectum and

Tailbone). The oncologists at Vanderbilt have recommended the " wait & see "

approach because they say Jake's tumor is

> favorable - however, I want to do what I can to help shrink it. They are not

recommending chemo. I just wanted to post to see if there are others on this

list who are using alternative therapies for children. Anybody else on this list

who also has a child with autism AND cancer? Right now, on all of the other

autism I'm in, I am feeling very alone. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Hello , my best whishes on the recovery of your son.

In that type of cancer there are some things youcan do to help tumour shrink:

- A good antioxidant is always the base ( like Vitagel, Anoxe, etc)

- Organic Germanium (like Biogermax, Ge132 )

- Ketocal is usually useful in gliomas, maybe its useful here too.

And of course a good nutrition, many fruits and vegetables, cut meat, salt,

sugar.

Drink a lot of soups and juices.

I always recommend Dr.Serge Jurasunas juice :

3carrots + 1 beetroot + watercress + apple or another gruit that yous son

like.

Drink this 4, or 5 times day.

Some question, don't hesitate.

[Guest guest]

Dee: I'm actually in that group! (but I haven't checked in on

it in a long time) We were considering trying LDN for my son a

couple of years ago, but decided to take another treatment

direction. This of course was before we found out about the tumor.

My son's autism doc did talk to Dr McCandless about trying LDN for

Jake - thanks for sharing the info. on LDN and cancer specifically.

I really think we should give it a try! I am talking to his doctor

next week..

Thanks so much!

Deidre Alejo wrote:

> Hello ,

> I sent you a private email about LDN and autism and

> cancer. Now I have the group for Dr. Candless

> and autism using LDN.

> Autism_LDN

>

> Look into it as benefits both cancer and autism.

> Dee

> --- <fstatum@...> wrote:

> ...my son is 8 yrs old and we recently found out he has a

ganglioneuroblastoma. He has autism also, so we have been around the block a

time or two with what is considered " alternative " treatments - too many things

to list we've tried or are doing in this intro post. For those with children -

anyone trying the Venus Fly Trap herb? What about Samento and IP6 and maitake??

My son's autism doctor wants us to try the Venus Fly Trap.. I should mention

that he is a stage 2 - had surgery on Sept 14 but the surgeon was unable to get

all of the tumor out (in a very precarious location - near his spinal chord in

between his rectum and Tailbone). The oncologists at Vanderbilt have

recommended the " wait & see " approach because they say Jake's tumor is favorable

- however, I want to do what I can to help shrink it. They are not recommending

chemo.

[Guest guest]

o: Thanks so much for the best wishes and information - very

helpful. Jake has been on an exceptionally healthy diet for many

years now - so I am glad I at least don't have to worry about a

child who is a picky eater. He eats all organic, many fruits and

vegetables - but he does have significant food allergies so we have

to be careful. He loves homemade soups.. I will definitely check

into the antiox brands you recommend. He takes mangoni juice (blend

of pomegranate, gogi, mangosteen), vit e vit a (does not tolerate

high doses of vit c due to an oxalate problem), cod liver oil,

evening primrose oil, grape seed extract, and boswellia. Also a B

complex, multi minerals and chlorophyll drops. I have never heard

of ketocal - will check that out. On the organic germanium - he

does take oxypowder regulary which has a little bit of the germanium

in it - but I will ask his autism doctor about supplementing it

seperately to give daily - what brand do you recommend??

Thank you so much for the help - this is wonderful!

>

> Hello , my best whishes on the recovery of your son.

> In that type of cancer there are some things youcan do to help

tumour shrink:

> - A good antioxidant is always the base ( like Vitagel, Anoxe,

etc)

> - Organic Germanium (like Biogermax, Ge132 )

> - Ketocal is usually useful in gliomas, maybe its useful here

too.

> And of course a good nutrition, many fruits and vegetables, cut

meat, salt, sugar.

> Drink a lot of soups and juices.

> I always recommend Dr.Serge Jurasunas juice :

> 3carrots + 1 beetroot + watercress + apple or another gruit that

yous son like.

> Drink this 4, or 5 times day.

>

> Some question, don't hesitate.

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry to hear about your son's significant health challenges. I

would recommend a diet like the Budwig diet - group: flaxseedoil2 ...and

also You may wish to check out miraclemineral.org aka MMS - they have had

success with Autism AND Cancer. I strobnglt belive the main issue with Autism is

cell wall deficient bacteria be it Lyme of others like Mycloplasma.....Metals

are also and issue but addessing the bactaria load helps agreat deal. MMS

Oxidizes metals and bacteria and viruses.... group: MDI news I just started

it and I am getting better...I have struggled with Lyme for ears.....Obviously

no one can claim anything with this products but go

check out the info b/c to see if its best for yall. My dad just passed from GBM

- I do belive Budwig slowed it down but it was a very agggresive cancer even as

stage 4 goes.....he did not try MMS....but they have many cancer testimonilas

and it is belived to pass the BBB.

On 11/27/07, <fstatum@...> wrote:

>my son is 8 yrs old and we recently found out he has a ganglioneuroblastoma. He

has autism also..............

[Guest guest]

If a person needs a supplement, then they should take it. I am

concerned about how it is grown. I know venus fly trap is endangered.

Is this grown sustainably. Does anyone know? Hopefully it is.

Also, if one needs it, I hope it helps them. I never knew it had

medicinal properties.

GB

> >CARNIVORA ® Immune Modulator & Enhancer

> >The original natural discovery from Germany, developed by Helmut

> Keller MD, a world renown Cancer physician.

> >Dr Morton in his book " German Cancer Therapies " wrote that

> CARNIVORA ® is made from the Venus Flytrap plant, the same plant that

> Darwin called " The most wonderful plant in the World " . He

also says that Carnivora ® is a patented phytonutrient extract of the

Venus flytrap plant, Dionaea muscipula. It is non-toxic and contains

properties that are immunomodulatory, anti-viral, antitumoral,

antiparasitic, antimicrobial & antibacterial.

> >Additionally Carnivora enhances the action of natural antibiotics

> due to its effect on antibiotic bacteria. From this most unique

plant comes an array of constituents with diverse properties that have

shown in extensive research and clinical studies to assist in the

prevention of illness and disease as well as battle even the most

deadly diseases including cancer for 30 years. .........

>

[Guest guest]

Meredith - Thank you I will check out the MMS.. I don't want to

talk about autism sutff on this list too much b/c I know it's a

cancer list BUT as for what you said about the

metals/virus/bacteria load in kids with ASD - absolutely that's the

problem!! . I know many moms whose kids with autism were not

improving in spite of treatments (biomed treatments that is) and it

was an under lying Lyme issue messing things up. My son's Lyme

results from IgenEx labs were NOT a raging positive - his autism

doctor spoke with the lab director and said his bands were more

viral in nature. Yes the nasty bacteria hold onto those metals too -

you have to be careful when you start killing those bacteria off to

make sure you have a good detoxification plan in place to mop up

those metals. Hope I don't get in trouble from the moderator for

posting about this - but I do think alot of the cancer treatments

and autism treatments are along the same lines. We have been doing

this for 6 years with my son (bio med stuff that is)- and when I

joined this group - I searched the archives and found so many of you

talking about things very familiar things!

-

[Guest guest]

Many (including some MDs) believe cancer is a product somehow of

bacteria/parasites/fungus and metals too! Of course we dont know for sure

but Dealing with one will likely only hurt teh other. i found in my health

challenges that what was good for me - was good for my step dad....lost of

cross over sood I agree Lyme and cancer treatmnets are ofetn similar.

Igenex is good but still unreliable. There is a new test from Frye LAbs that

is teh new thing....but its best for Babesia and Bartonella. You may wish to

check those. There are over 200 diffrent strains for lyme and we are only

testing for one.....

Its frustrating also have you checked fro mycoplasma esp. fermentans - I

thik that seesm to affect teh brain most....

Detox is king! Many like french green clay (rosemountainherbs.com) or

azomite (more minerals) of course chlorella. Ozone saunas... or

electromedicine....www.royalrife.com Dr. Loyd is very helpful...'Aslo HBOT

was really helpful to me - i fel great after wards - he may need to take

Boluke(Lumbrokinase) blood thinner to make it eefective and that is good for

al teh time...b/c you can get anything out of the bod bacteria or otherwise

if your blood is thick. It is known to be helpful for Autism. I think you

can also get a high grade o2 tank regulator and breath it whiel walking on a

treadmill for same or better results taht HBOT - b/c it will seriosuly

oxegante teh body. HBOT make not be good with a brain tumor b/c it can

create new blood vessels. Also a cannabis extract has shrunk Glioblastoam

tumors and I saw somehwere here I think that soemone in cnada was gonna be

making teh extract??? Its not illegal b/c it has none of teh " good stuff " in

it. ;o)

Also google DCA ( fda has tried to shut them down in teh states) but you can

still get it abroad I think? I dunno but there were soem BT patienst haveing

success with it. Also LDN....

What about the black salve stuff? I hear its strong.....we didnt get to try

it so I cnt say but many swear by it......Just thinks to investigate for

yourself.

God Bless you and may your son heal!

Also for brain tumors - see Gruppe Kurosawa archives for herbals BT

treatmnet....the guy there is a jerk but he does have some good ideas to

offer.. Best wishes and healing to you both!!!!

[Guest guest]

Tania......have you checked out any of the Autism forums......I to

have a son with severe autism, but not cancer, though he has a lot of

gastrointestinal problems.

There is the mb12 valtrex lost(the moderator recovered his son from

autism), autism treatment (moderated by Andy Cuttler a PHD who cured

himself of mercury poisoning. I'm sure you have learned by now how

many biomedical issues autistic children have that may or may not

contribute to their health problems.

Have had a chance to check them out?

I will ask on those list for you. For all I know you are already a

member of those lists.

Zurama

Autismtookmickie@...