Re: Is anybody taking Paw Paw?

[Guest guest]

Yes, my husband Rex (44yo) was diagnosed with prostate cancer in January. We've

done two 3 phase treatments recommended by Dr. Balas using Nature's

Sunshine Products and his PSA has dropped from 4.5 to 2.8.

We just started another phase and he's taking Paw Paw 12.5 mg 3 tabs 4 times a

day.

Elliot commented on Paw Paw several weeks ago at a seminar he spoke at, I

believe.

Va. Beach

Elaine Gallant wrote:

Paw Paw seems to be getting good results. Anybody here on it?

[Guest guest]

That is really funny, I was just looking at PawPaw this morning on

site thinking the same thing as you 'good results' the only one there with a

" 10 " and not very expensive.. I saw a PawPaw tree growing up here in Portland

last week. It has lost most of it's leaves.

Elaine Gallant <elainegallant@...> wrote: Paw Paw seems to be

getting good results. Anybody here on it?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

I am taking Paw Paw concurrent with Protocel for a grade II brain tumor

Lori

[ ] Is anybody taking Paw Paw?

> Paw Paw seems to be getting good results. Anybody here on it?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here are my notes on paw paw. I think it's an excellent supplement for

cancer patients.

paw paw--NOT the same as papaya; antiangiogenic, antiviral, promotes

apoptosis (stops ATP production), inhibits drug resistance (MDR); effective

w/Hodgkins; more effective in supplement form; synergistic w/kombucha. Don't

take long-term w/o medical supervision; " Paw Paw is standardized, while

Graviola is not.video in which a researcher.tested Graviola and Paw Paw.both

contain the same therapeutic alkaloid.in one batch of Graviola, the active

alkaloid was 24 times weaker than Paw Paw, and in another batch, 56 times

weaker "

" paw paw acts on cancer via acetogenins, just like graviola, suffocating

the cancer cell by interfering with its oxidative mechanisms. As with

graviola, it's the leaves that are used for cancer.. Acetogenins, found in

paw paw and graviola, interfere with oxidative (cell energy) mechanisms,

involving NADH (niacin based) and [CoQ10].. action of acetogenins is on the

oxidative mechanisms for energy production of the cell, involving NAD/H [and

CoQ10].antioxidants and CoQ10.might be supplying it to the cancer

cell.negating the.acetogenins. [see] Alali, et al., " Annonaceous

acetogenins: Recent

progress " in J. Nat. Prod., 1999, vol 62, pp 504-540..

http://www.freemedicaljournals.com.. take the acetogenins several hours

apart from the antioxidants "

For more info, www.annieappleseedproject.org/pawpawfruita.html (Schachter)

www.handpen.com/cancell/paw.htm

www.healthy-sunshine.com/paw-paw-cell-reg.asp (to order; Nature's Sunshine)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Please read this article:

http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Graviola.html

There is a chance that the Paw Paw is interfering with the Protocel.

I don't know of course but thought I would at least give you this

information.

bibliognost:

Hi Elaine,

I am taking Paw Paw concurrent with Protocel for a grade II brain tumor

[Guest guest]

Hi, Leonard.

Thanks for that on Paw Paw.

I just would add that when I heard Jerry McLoughlin, the originator of

Paw Paw extract for Nature's Sunshine, speak, along with an herbalist

he knows well, both of them said that if the usual dose of 4 capsules

of Paw Paw a day does not bring desired results, a person can go higher

without risking any serious problems besides nausea and vomiting. The

herbalist said he had taken some of his clients up as high as 20

capsules daily, the reason being, of course, that some people who do

not see tumor diminution at 4 capsules a day do see it at higher doses.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Absolutely NOT. I have known Tony Bell, who was good friends with the

inventor of Protocel, and Tony has for a long time been recommending

that Protocel and Paw Paw be taken TOGETHER. Anyone who would like to

corroborate that can contact me privately and I will give you Tony

Bell's phone number. Tony has told me several times that people who

have taken Protocel and Paw Paw together have obtained very good

results.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

you found a paw paw tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer a

handful for 20 minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a lady few years

ago in Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4 lung cancer in both lungs, non

operable, non treatable,

in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest

pam phetteplace wrote:

That is really funny, I was just looking at PawPaw this morning on

site thinking the same thing as you 'good results' the only one

there with a " 10 " and not very expensive.. I saw a PawPaw tree growing up here

in Portland last week. It has lost most of it's leaves.

Elaine Gallant wrote: Paw Paw seems to be getting good results. Anybody here on

it?

[Guest guest]

Hi.

Thanks for forwarding the site.

Actually, Paw Paw and Protocel work in the same way, and those

involved with both Protocel and Paw Paw do recommend using them

together, after a period of at least four months.

What the article you sent from Cancertutor discussed was the use of

antioxidants (especially Vit. C and E) concurrent with Protocel and

Paw Paw which, in high doses, are definitely not recommended.

Lori

[ ] Re: Is anybody taking Paw Paw?

> Hi,

> Please read this article:

> http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Graviola.html

>

> There is a chance that the Paw Paw is interfering with the

> Protocel.

> I don't know of course but thought I would at least give you this

> information.

>

>

> bibliognost:

>

> Hi Elaine,

>

> I am taking Paw Paw concurrent with Protocel for a grade II brain

> tumor

>

>

[Guest guest]

But the leaves have all fallen off the Paw Paw tree, I don't think it would be

much good.

nicole allen <fractalmoves@...> wrote: you found a paw paw

tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer a handful for 20

minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a lady few years ago in

Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4 lung cancer in both lungs, non

operable, non treatable,

in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest

pam phetteplace wrote:

That is really funny, I was just looking at PawPaw this morning on

site thinking the same thing as you 'good results' the only one there with a

" 10 " and not very expensive.. I saw a PawPaw tree growing up here in Portland

last week. It has lost most of it's leaves.

Elaine Gallant wrote: Paw Paw seems to be getting good results. Anybody here on

it?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

Do you have any idea why it has been mentioned that Paw Paw should not

be used indefinitely, or past roughly 4 months?

Lori

[Guest guest]

Two things:

I think it a much better idea, unless one cannot afford it, to take the

standardized extract, rather than boil the leaves.

No, Lori. I do not know why it should not be used indefinitely, but I

like it, because I believe that means it should have done something

therapeutic before 4 months is over. I would contact Nature's Sunshine

directly to ask your question.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

I am not taking the PawPaw but i do use the eassic.

I have went the chemo route for 1 year after being

diagoised with stage 4 lung cancer with mets to my

liver, neck, and chest. I have been to acuna,Mx for

alternative treatment. While there( stayed for 1

month) I felt so good. If anyone would like to hear

more about this place, just let me know and I will

share. These treatments consist of an all natural iv,

hypotheramy, elixer, inhalent. I will hear from my

recent PET scan on Friday. Please say a prayer.

thanks

Have a wonderful day!

Jan

[Guest guest]

I do not know whether the Paw Paw tree is different in Australia to the US. I

have a friend who cured himself of Renal cell carcinoma....over 9 years ago. He

had been told that he was terminal, and he was very ill. I am about to re-start

Paw Paw Tea. Here we boil the leaves (about 15/20 fresh green leaves in 11

Litres of water. We bring to the boil and then simmer for 3 hours. After that we

let them 'steep' (stand in the pan , lid on) for about 12 hours....its best to

cook in evening and steep overnight!).Then we strain and bottle. (Obviously

much smaller quantities can also be made up) The one thing that needs to be

watched is that Paw Paw Tea is a blood thinner.......as I found out!! I am pre

disposed to anything that thins the blood and whilst I was on the full dose (200

mls am/100 mls late afternoon and 200 mls..pm ( daily before food).......after

two weeks I had an Upper G I bleed.....not seriously so, but I had to stop the

Paw Paw Tea.Now a few months later I am about to carefully re-start the Paw Paw

in smaller doses, this time after food. I very much believe in the Paw Paw as I

have met not only the man who has survived (and is so well)...but have now heard

of several others that are doing well on Paw paw..........Margaret.

PS. Those leaves that have fallen will be fine if they have not gone yellow or

dried....if they are still green you can use them, and also use the stalks!!

They also last very well chopped up fresh and put in the freezer until needed!

Margaret

nicole allen wrote:

you found a paw paw tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer a

handful for 20 minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a lady few years

ago in Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4 lung cancer in both lungs, non

operable, non treatable,

in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest

[Guest guest]

Margaret, are you sure you got the quantities right? This is approximately 1.5

leaves for 1 liter of water??

Gubi

Re: [ ] Is anybody taking Paw Paw?

I do not know whether the Paw Paw tree is different in Australia to the US. I

have a friend who cured himself of Renal cell carcinoma....over 9 years ago. He

had been told that he was terminal, and he was very ill. I am about to re-start

Paw Paw Tea. Here we boil the leaves (about 15/20 fresh green leaves in 11

Litres of water. We bring to the boil and then simmer for 3 hours. After that we

let them 'steep' (stand in the pan , lid on) for about 12 hours....its best to

cook in evening and steep overnight!).Then we strain and bottle. (Obviously much

smaller quantities can also be made up) The one thing that needs to be watched

is that Paw Paw Tea is a blood thinner.......as I found out!! I am pre disposed

to anything that thins the blood and whilst I was on the full dose (200 mls

am/100 mls late afternoon and 200 mls..pm ( daily before food).......after two

weeks I had an Upper G I bleed.....not seriously so, but I had to stop the Paw

Paw Te! a.Now a few months later I am about to carefully re-start the Paw Paw in

smaller doses, this time after food. I very much believe in the Paw Paw as I

have met not only the man who has survived (and is so well)...but have now heard

of several others that are doing well on Paw paw..........Margaret.

PS. Those leaves that have fallen will be fine if they have not gone yellow or

dried....if they are still green you can use them, and also use the stalks!!

They also last very well chopped up fresh and put in the freezer until needed!

Margaret

nicole allen wrote:

you found a paw paw tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer

a handful for 20 minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a lady few

years ago in Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4 lung cancer in both

lungs, non operable, non treatable,

in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest

[Guest guest]

Great.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Carl

>

> Absolutely NOT. I have known Tony Bell, who was good friends with the

> inventor of Protocel, and Tony has for a long time been recommending

> that Protocel and Paw Paw be taken TOGETHER. Anyone who would like to

> corroborate that can contact me privately and I will give you Tony

> Bell's phone number. Tony has told me several times that people who

> have taken Protocel and Paw Paw together have obtained very good

> results.

>

> Elliot

>

[Guest guest]

It can start affecting healthy tissue over time.

http://alternativecancer.us/pawpaw.htm

" --------------------------

Paw Paw gravitates toward cells that use a lot of energy and cut off

their energy supply. Since cancer cells use 10-17 times as much energy

as a normal cell, Paw Paw acts on cancer cells. It is the same

mechanism that made it so useful as a parasite cleanse and to kill

hair lice. It is also the reason that a pregnant woman should not take

it. Paw Paw could see the baby as a high energy user.

If no cancer, parasite, or other high energy consumer cells reside in

the body, Paw Paw may gravitate towards fast growing cells lining the

digestive and intestinal system walls. This results in a stomach ache.

This is why the manufacturer, Nature's Sunshine, strongly cautions

against long term use for non-cancer patients.

------------------------- "

I think as long as you have cancer you would be OK though.

>

> Elliot,

>

> Do you have any idea why it has been mentioned that Paw Paw should not

> be used indefinitely, or past roughly 4 months?

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

I read the article in the " lead " about Paw-Paw. It

belongs to the same family of annonacea where Graviola

also belongs.

Graviola is used for all sorts of cancers. Many

research studies - in labs/in vivo - have been done on

it and shows promise of healing different types of

cancers. Actually at least 17 ,now including the 5

done in Asia.

I pray and hope all the natural cures being shown to

us by God will heal everyone with cancer.

[Guest guest]

After listening to the video with Dr McLaughlin I have learned quite a bit re:

paw paw. One thing he does mention is that the time to collect paw paw leaves

and stems is in the early summer months.

This is a long video, but extremely informative.

http://www.pawpawresearch.com/visual.htm#rodierpreso

Gubi <gubisara@...> wrote:

Margaret, are you sure you got the quantities right? This is

approximately 1.5 leaves for 1 liter of water??

Gubi

Re: [ ] Is anybody taking Paw Paw?

I do not know whether the Paw Paw tree is different in Australia to the US. I

have a friend who cured himself of Renal cell carcinoma....over 9 years ago. He

had been told that he was terminal, and he was very ill. I am about to re-start

Paw Paw Tea. Here we boil the leaves (about 15/20 fresh green leaves in 11

Litres of water. We bring to the boil and then simmer for 3 hours. After that we

let them 'steep' (stand in the pan , lid on) for about 12 hours....its best to

cook in evening and steep overnight!).Then we strain and bottle. (Obviously much

smaller quantities can also be made up) The one thing that needs to be watched

is that Paw Paw Tea is a blood thinner.......as I found out!! I am pre disposed

to anything that thins the blood and whilst I was on the full dose (200 mls

am/100 mls late afternoon and 200 mls..pm ( daily before food).......after two

weeks I had an Upper G I bleed.....not seriously so, but I had to stop the Paw

Paw Te! a.Now a few months later I am

about to carefully re-start the Paw Paw in smaller doses, this time after food.

I very much believe in the Paw Paw as I have met not only the man who has

survived (and is so well)...but have now heard of several others that are doing

well on Paw paw..........Margaret.

PS. Those leaves that have fallen will be fine if they have not gone yellow or

dried....if they are still green you can use them, and also use the stalks!!

They also last very well chopped up fresh and put in the freezer until needed!

Margaret

nicole allen wrote:

you found a paw paw tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer a

handful for 20 minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a lady few years

ago in Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4 lung cancer in both lungs, non

operable, non treatable,

in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest

[Guest guest]

Glad to, Carl.

Some messages back, someone was criticizing " cancertutor, " where you

got the idea that Paw Paw and Protocel may be incompatible, for

inaccuracies and mistakes.

The feeling among members who replied to the criticism was that

cancertutor is a vast site, one that should cause us to respect and

to help the owner of the site to make additions and corrections, not

to criticize him.

If there is someplace on cancertutor where it says the two are

incompatible, it would be a good thing if you would contact the site

to let the owner know that such is not the case.

And of course, we all need to be aware that it is necessary to study

and examine a particular alternative protocol, or ANY protocol,

before going ahead and trying it. We need to always corroborate, as

much as possible, that the information we have read on effect and

useage is correct.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Wow! This is interesting! Last year I flew out to Indiana to interview Dr.

Jerry McLaughlin about his research with Paw Paw. He is the foremost expert on

paw paw and has researched the herb for over 30 years. His research has allowed

him to to develop and test the paw paw in a standardized capsule, making it

easier and with more exact dosing for immune system compromised patients. This

is a great way to make sure you are receiving the same dose each time rather

than making a tea.

While visiting Dr. McLaughlin, I asked a series of questions about the use of

paw paw with people suffering with cancer. You can view these videos of Q & A

on the website http://www.PawPawResearch.com. There is also a excellent video

animation of how paw paw works in a person with cancer. This is a non-sales,

academic website for the use of research and persons needing to learn more about

the paw paw herb for themselves.

Best Wishes!

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know if Paw Paw would heal bladder carcinoma? Where would I get

the leaves?

Barbara

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Barbara.

You would be much better off taking STANDARDIZED extract. And you would

have no problem finding out where to get that. I even think that in

nearly all areas of the country, it is too late to harvest the raw

leaves.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

I'm interested in Paw Paw for my DH but one website says there is a

possible conflict with Flaxseed oil. Paw Paw is shutting down ATP and

I think maybe Flaxseed oil is boosting it? Has anyone taken both or is

it better to take less FO while taking the Paw Paw? We've been trying

to do the Budwig Protocol for a couple of months but find it hard to

get to 100%. We stopped eating meat but keep a couple of ducks so eat

eggs some and cheese, I've been making sauerkraut and juicing once a

day. We may not be out in the sun enough or take as much FOCC as we

should. We've been eating vegetable and fruit salads and soup, and

I've tried to eliminate baking and frying.

[Guest guest]

keep in touch about Paw Paw. I'm getting it in the mail.

On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:55 AM, pam phetteplace wrote:

But the leaves have all fallen off the Paw Paw tree, I don't think

it would be much good.

nicole allen <fractalmoves@...> wrote: you found a paw

> paw tree. Great, now collect a bag full of leaves, then simmer a

> handful for 20 minutes, strain and take a 1 quart a day. Found a

> lady few years ago in Arkansas, who did just that, with stage 4

> lung cancer in both lungs, non operable, non treatable,

> in a bad way, after taking the infusion for 20 days, up and around, after 45

days, no tumors. The paw paw here in the states is of a different genus than in

the rainforest